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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:49:46 AM EDT
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Paid time me off and additional training should take care of that problem.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:49:54 AM EDT
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Just like in Texas, where the cops entered the wrong house, and killed the homeowner?
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:49:59 AM EDT
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Pack of idiots. Thank god everyone votes.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:50:21 AM EDT
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:51:20 AM EDT
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Just like in Texas, where the cops entered the wrong house, and killed the homeowner? That was a different situation. Those idiots actually went to the wrong house. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:53:49 AM EDT
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:54:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:56:12 AM EDT
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? Homeowner's fault? Because the cop fired before calling out a warning or identifying himself? Seems doubtful that the homeowner was drawn down on the cop and the shooter had no time to issue verbal commands. When the homeowner calls it in, it's usually reasonable to expect the homeowner is there...and that you might want to make sure you're not shooting the homeowner. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:00:39 AM EDT
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I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Agreed. The homeowner should have stayed inside. The cops, though... Ever hear of identifying your target? I mean WTF!!? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:01:44 AM EDT
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Agreed. The homeowner should have stayed inside. The cops, though... Ever hear of identifying your target? I mean WTF!!? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Agreed. The homeowner should have stayed inside. The cops, though... Ever hear of identifying your target? I mean WTF!!? He was in his garage waiting for the police, not running around his front yard waving a gun. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:04:33 AM EDT
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I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. I'd probably be a bit jumpy too if I just got a call for a threatening man with a gun and show up to find a man with a gun. Not a good shoot at all but I'm not ready to grab my pitchfork. ETA- he was in his garage with his handgun at his right side |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:08:29 AM EDT
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Carl Williams, a 48-year-old postal worker, said at a news conference that he was in his garage with his handgun at his right side..... He should have known that was a bad idea. He obviously doesn't read the stories posted here. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:10:57 AM EDT
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Geeze, fucking bad cop suck ups.
You don't just start shooting. If you are that much of a chicken shit, find another job. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:11:38 AM EDT
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He was in his garage waiting for the police, not running around his front yard waving a gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Agreed. The homeowner should have stayed inside. The cops, though... Ever hear of identifying your target? I mean WTF!!? He was in his garage waiting for the police, not running around his front yard waving a gun. Let me clarify... The cops are at fault here. They are the ones who sent rounds down range. The homeowners mistake was simply tactical. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:12:10 AM EDT
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I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Yup, agree 100%. Don't call Police about a man with a gun; then emulate the threat you just called about. Sit inside, tell operator where you are and don't walk around with a gun by your side. ....oh and hide the dog in the bathtub ! |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:18:04 AM EDT
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? There's a moron in every bunch and you, sir are a moron . |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:20:10 AM EDT
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He should have known that was a bad idea. He obviously doesn't read the stories posted here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Carl Williams, a 48-year-old postal worker, said at a news conference that he was in his garage with his handgun at his right side..... He should have known that was a bad idea. He obviously doesn't read the stories posted here. lol |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:21:35 AM EDT
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There's a moron in every bunch and you, sir are a moron . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? There's a moron in every bunch and you, sir are a moron . 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:24:22 AM EDT
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In for the armchair quarterbacking and internet police use of force experts...
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:28:13 AM EDT
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Pay guys $40k/yr and you will get $40k/yr applicants who will become cops.
That's less than the guy who snakes your toilet when you plug it up.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:28:40 AM EDT
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Carl Williams, a 48-year-old postal worker, said at a news conference that he was in his garage with his handgun at his right side..... He should have known that was a bad idea. He obviously doesn't read the stories posted here. lol We've had two threads in the last 2 months or so about homeowners holding guns being shot by police when they responded to the wrong address. Standing around with a gun at the right address called into the police seems even more risky. 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:32:23 AM EDT
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Let me clarify... The cops are at fault here. They are the ones who sent rounds down range. The homeowners mistake was simply tactical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Agreed. The homeowner should have stayed inside. The cops, though... Ever hear of identifying your target? I mean WTF!!? He was in his garage waiting for the police, not running around his front yard waving a gun. Let me clarify... The cops are at fault here. They are the ones who sent rounds down range. The homeowners mistake was simply tactical. Fair enough. My wife knows that if she calls 911 in a similar situation, she is to tell them we are inside, armed, and unsure if the perp is still in the area, so the police need to announce themselves before entering our home. When possible, the plan is to retreat to our bedroom, covering the door, and telling them exactly what room we are in. But that advanced planning doesn't help us much if something happens when we are out. When I was in the fire service, our mantra was this is not our emergency. It's clearly an emergency for the person who called 911, but this is just our job. The basic idea is that you need to keep your head together, remember your training, and just do your job to ensure you do it right and that you don't get yourself or someone else hurt or killed. At least one of those responding officers rushed into that situation and made it their emergency instead of their job. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:36:15 AM EDT
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Lesson learned.
Police can shoot anyone they see with a gun and have no problem with it Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:37:31 AM EDT
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he was in his garage with his handgun at his right side |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:45:25 AM EDT
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Williams called 911 to report that a young man had pointed a gun at his wife in their driveway and demanded her car keys. She threw the keys at the gunman, ran into the house and told her husband, who entered their garage armed. Calls in on "man with gun" outside, then becomes "man with gun" outside... Then gets shot... Darwinism at its finest Haters gonna hate... |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:54:02 AM EDT
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Will it be possible for this guy to have a 20 pt. increase in IQ as a result of this experience? Perhaps....perhaps not.
 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:59:30 AM EDT
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I would think the smart thing to do would be to tell the 911 operator that the homeowner is also armed and give a description of what you are wearing(well and not skulk around like a bad guy outside*). But I wonder if that info would actually make it to the responding officers or not.
*not that I'm accusing the homeowner of this, just sayin. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:01:45 AM EDT
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I would think the smart thing to do would be to tell the 911 operator that the homeowner is also armed and give a description of what you are wearing(well and not skulk around like a bad guy outside*). But I wonder if that info would actually make it to the responding officers or not. That would depend on the dispatcher, we had one get written up for refusing to repeat the description of an armed robbery suspect once. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:02:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:04:14 AM EDT
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That would depend on the dispatcher, we had one get written up for refusing to repeat the description of an armed robbery suspect once. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would think the smart thing to do would be to tell the 911 operator that the homeowner is also armed and give a description of what you are wearing(well and not skulk around like a bad guy outside*). But I wonder if that info would actually make it to the responding officers or not. That would depend on the dispatcher, we had one get written up for refusing to repeat the description of an armed robbery suspect once. Um... Was race part of the description? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:06:17 AM EDT
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Um... Was race part of the description? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would think the smart thing to do would be to tell the 911 operator that the homeowner is also armed and give a description of what you are wearing(well and not skulk around like a bad guy outside*). But I wonder if that info would actually make it to the responding officers or not. That would depend on the dispatcher, we had one get written up for refusing to repeat the description of an armed robbery suspect once. Um... Was race part of the description? She wouldn't repeat it because she was lazy, she said over the readio "I repeated it once already". |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:20:31 AM EDT
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I have had to call police on prowlers before. The first thing the 911 operator told me to do was STAY IN THE HOUSE.
I mean, I could get going outside to flag an ambulance down to the right address if it was an emergency, but to call in an armed man on your property and then go into your garage with a gun . . . that's about six miles away from fetus level smart and a million and twelve away from a triple IQ. HOWEVER, the first words out of that officer's mouth should have been, "This is the police. Come out with your hands up. Now." |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:22:33 AM EDT
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Same shit happened to Bin Laden. It's a crazy world.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:30:41 AM EDT
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Good shoot.
Probably a doper. Surprised that theven police didn't find dope on him. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:31:33 AM EDT
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The quicker people learn it is much safer to not involve the police at all, the better.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:33:32 AM EDT
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We've had two threads in the last 2 months or so about homeowners holding guns being shot by police when they responded to the wrong address. Standing around with a gun at the right address called into the police seems even more risky. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Carl Williams, a 48-year-old postal worker, said at a news conference that he was in his garage with his handgun at his right side..... He should have known that was a bad idea. He obviously doesn't read the stories posted here. lol We've had two threads in the last 2 months or so about homeowners holding guns being shot by police when they responded to the wrong address. Standing around with a gun at the right address called into the police seems even more risky. I agree 110% I was lol'ing at your "should of read it here" comment. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:34:06 AM EDT
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Shoot on sight?
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:37:01 AM EDT
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? Part of the shoot and ask questions later crowd? This kind of derp is contrary to citizens being armed. Wrong side bro |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:38:52 AM EDT
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The quicker people learn it is much safer to not involve the police at all, the better. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:58:47 AM EDT
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Only one side of the story. Need more input.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:13:33 AM EDT
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The quicker people learn it is much safer to not involve the police at all, the better. Agreed, but they have this annoying habit of showing up after shootings and like when you have to call the meat wagon to clean up the mess and shit. 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:14:09 AM EDT
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I would think the smart thing to do would be to tell the 911 operator that the homeowner is also armed and give a description of what you are wearing(well and not skulk around like a bad guy outside*). But I wonder if that info would actually make it to the responding officers or not. *not that I'm accusing the homeowner of this, just sayin. This exact thing was suggested by the sherriff that taught my CWP class. You still have no control over wether this info gets to the responding officers or not. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:16:32 AM EDT
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Agreed. The homeowner should have stayed inside. The cops, though... Ever hear of identifying your target? I mean WTF!!? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Agreed. The homeowner should have stayed inside. The cops, though... Ever hear of identifying your target? I mean WTF!!? ID'ing your target, knowing what is beyond it, and not pointing weapons at things you don't intend to destroy are rules for the peasants. The homeowner was an idiot, but the main reason he was an idiot was because the outcome was such an obvious possibility, not because the cops didn't fuck up. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:20:24 AM EDT
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:22:59 AM EDT
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Homeowner shouldn't have been there armed.
If you call the police, assume they're going to show up swinging pain-hammers like monkeys on crack. Plan accordingly. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:52:53 AM EDT
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Know your . . . know your. . . something something something.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:55:42 AM EDT
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Any backward mounted Eotech's during this shoot is the question
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:58:29 AM EDT
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The quicker people learn it is much safer to not involve the police at all, the better. Why is the story in the OP worthy of news? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:06:56 PM EDT
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ID'ing your target, knowing what is beyond it, and not pointing weapons at things you don't intend to destroy are rules for the peasants. The homeowner was an idiot, but the main reason he was an idiot was because the outcome was such an obvious possibility, not because the cops didn't fuck up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police are called and told there is an armed gunman. They arrive and find . . . an armed gunman. If you're going to call the police, maybe it's better to stay holed up in your house until things settle down? I'm no copsucker, but I'll have to agree with this. Those boys will shoot their shadow if it sneaks up on them. Agreed. The homeowner should have stayed inside. The cops, though... Ever hear of identifying your target? I mean WTF!!? ID'ing your target, knowing what is beyond it, and not pointing weapons at things you don't intend to destroy are rules for the peasants. The homeowner was an idiot, but the main reason he was an idiot was because the outcome was such an obvious possibility, not because the cops didn't fuck up. Agreed. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:20:46 PM EDT
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The quicker people learn it is much safer to not involve the police at all, the better. Would have been far less painful to just give the guy the car and call the insurance company. |
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