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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:31:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:38:15 AM EDT
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Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that.
If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:40:23 AM EDT
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Fox news just saying this am that company CEO is dropping price significantly...I wasn't paying attention enough for exact number
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:42:05 AM EDT
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Yay, capitalism!
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:42:11 AM EDT
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Hopefully Auvi-Q can get their shit straightened out. That is a much easier product to use and carry.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:43:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThere's a competitor that costs a third less. Why then do people care what the EpiPen branded one costs? |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:43:09 AM EDT
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Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that. If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:43:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that. If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:44:07 AM EDT
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Considering I can get an ampule of epi for about five bucks, and administer my own damned SQ or IM injection with an insulin syringe?
Yeah... $600 for a two-pack of Epi-Pens just looks bad. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:44:49 AM EDT
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Or you could just get a vial of epinephrine and a syringe and do it yourself for like $10.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:45:18 AM EDT
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some desperate patients who can't afford EpiPens anymore have turned to filling syringes with epinephrine themselves — an extremely tricky and potentially dangerous alternative. LOL its not that hard to fill a syringe. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:45:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering I can get an ampule of epi for about five bucks, and administer my own damned SQ or IM injection with an insulin syringe? Yeah... $600 for a two-pack of Epi-Pens just looks bad. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:46:11 AM EDT
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Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that. If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. Should the State regulate how much profit can be made off an item? |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:46:15 AM EDT
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Direct links to Joe Manchin, and the DNC globalist machine.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:46:59 AM EDT
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Or you could just get a vial of epinephrine and a syringe and do it yourself for like $10. It's what my mom does as those pens expire... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:47:09 AM EDT
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Or you could just get a vial of epinephrine and a syringe and do it yourself for like $10. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Or you could just get a vial of epinephrine and a syringe and do it yourself for like $10. But you can't! Meanwhile, according to Consumer Reports, some desperate patients who can't afford EpiPens anymore have turned to filling syringes with epinephrine themselves — an extremely tricky and potentially dangerous alternative. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:47:20 AM EDT
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Should the State regulate how much profit can be made off an item? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that. If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. Should the State regulate how much profit can be made off an item? I guess it might depend on how much the company who makes the item benefits from State subsidies. *shrugs* |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:47:46 AM EDT
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LOL its not that hard to fill a syringe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
some desperate patients who can't afford EpiPens anymore have turned to filling syringes with epinephrine themselves — an extremely tricky and potentially dangerous alternative. LOL its not that hard to fill a syringe. When you're in the midst of anaphylactic shock... |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:47:57 AM EDT
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Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that. If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. So what is your out-of-pocket cost for one? Just curious. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:48:38 AM EDT
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When you're in the midst of anaphylactic shock... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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some desperate patients who can't afford EpiPens anymore have turned to filling syringes with epinephrine themselves — an extremely tricky and potentially dangerous alternative. LOL its not that hard to fill a syringe. When you're in the midst of anaphylactic shock... Can you not just fill it yourself ahead of time like people do with insulin? |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:48:57 AM EDT
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Hopefully Auvi-Q can get their shit straightened out. That is a much easier product to use and carry. Probably depends on if the the Auvi-Q reps are willing to put out more than the epi-pen reps. 
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:50:00 AM EDT
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Epipen is a brand name there is a generic that is Much cheaper. just buy the generic and quit complaining
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:50:14 AM EDT
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Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that. If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. You're right. That private company should have to sit through a review board to get a government approved price on their product. Free for blacks and illegals. $100 for Asians, $4,000 for white people due to our privilege. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:51:03 AM EDT
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You would be mind boggled at the number of auto injectors the military has to dispose of every month because they are expired.
Just imagine the money that gets flushed down the drain. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:51:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can buy a broom and dustpan for ten bucks but Roomba still sells a ton of sweeping robots at $300 each. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Considering I can get an ampule of epi for about five bucks, and administer my own damned SQ or IM injection with an insulin syringe? Yeah... $600 for a two-pack of Epi-Pens just looks bad. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:51:35 AM EDT
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Well I'll just tote the ARFCOM line. If you don't like the price then find another product or invent your own medicine. Their product their rules. Don't like the price? You don't need to buy it either.
A pack of Altoids will do just as good of a job and leave you with a minty breath. (/sarcasm). |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:52:06 AM EDT
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Like I told my mom. Get the vial and syringe. She is around family and friends that can administer the shot should she not be able to do it. Save $495.
I used to carry the older preloaded syringe kit for years when I worked as a beekeeper. I think those sold for $10 30 years ago. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:52:23 AM EDT
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Probably depends on if the the Auvi-Q reps are willing to put out more than the epi-pen reps.
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Hopefully Auvi-Q can get their shit straightened out. That is a much easier product to use and carry. Probably depends on if the the Auvi-Q reps are willing to put out more than the epi-pen reps.
Ummm... "put out?" I've never received sexual favors from a drug rep. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:52:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Direct links to Joe Manchin, and the DNC globalist machine. By direct links are you referring to the CEO who happens to be Manchin's daughter? This cunt is as crooked as hillery's hind leg. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Bresch
That being said, price fixing snything is a bad idea. See Venezuela. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:53:12 AM EDT
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What cost should they be allowed to sell them for? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that. If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. Well, since most of that is covered by insurance, and the typical family of four is going to be paying $1600-$2000 for a plan per month that typically only pays once they meet at $6,000 to $10,000 deductible, you tell me. Then you realize the same medical devices sell for a fraction of the cost in Third World shit holes, like Canada. We're paying higher because the drug companies know they can charge us out the ass so we can subsidize the cost of medical care and medical devices in other countries where they're not allowed to do this fuckery. I didn't realize most of this website were socialist. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:55:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bad example. Romba doesn't have an FDA approved lock on brooms and pans. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Considering I can get an ampule of epi for about five bucks, and administer my own damned SQ or IM injection with an insulin syringe? Yeah... $600 for a two-pack of Epi-Pens just looks bad. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:56:21 AM EDT
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Considering I can get an ampule of epi for about five bucks, and administer my own damned SQ or IM injection with an insulin syringe? Yeah... $600 for a two-pack of Epi-Pens just looks bad. I don't understandwhy someone out there hasn't come out with a glucagon style prefilled syringe admin kit for epi. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:56:36 AM EDT
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Ummm... "put out?" I've never received sexual favors from a drug rep. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully Auvi-Q can get their shit straightened out. That is a much easier product to use and carry. Probably depends on if the the Auvi-Q reps are willing to put out more than the epi-pen reps.
Ummm... "put out?" I've never received sexual favors from a drug rep. You must be too young to have lived the glory days of unregulated drug reps! |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:59:02 AM EDT
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When does the patent expire?
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:00:18 AM EDT
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Ummm... "put out?" I've never received sexual favors from a drug rep. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully Auvi-Q can get their shit straightened out. That is a much easier product to use and carry. Probably depends on if the the Auvi-Q reps are willing to put out more than the epi-pen reps.
Ummm... "put out?" I've never received sexual favors from a drug rep. You probably aren't high enough on the food Chain. You need to get on some FDA regulatory board to get the fine trim. 
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:00:22 AM EDT
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What is interesting is that they raised the cost and are actively lobbying for them to become mandatory on all airplanes.........
"Mylan has been "actively lobbying" in favor of a bill in the Senate that would mandate that all airlines, domestic and foreign, carry at least two packs of epinephrine auto-injectors. " http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/24/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-ceo-behind-the-big-epipen-price-hikes.html Like it or not.... just follow the money... |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:00:44 AM EDT
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LOL its not that hard to fill a syringe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
some desperate patients who can't afford EpiPens anymore have turned to filling syringes with epinephrine themselves — an extremely tricky and potentially dangerous alternative. LOL its not that hard to fill a syringe. Try it when you can't feel your fingers, have tunnel vision, confusion and disorientation sets in, and your heart rate is Palp over zero.
The Epi-Pen is a solution because of the delivery system. Any tard can apply it, and it is workable for those disabled, disoriented, and alone, to self inject. Fuck up the dose with Epi, or fail to get the job done, and you're dead. It sounds like you're a volunteer to demonstrate it's not needed. Dibs on your stuff. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:00:49 AM EDT
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Crony capitalism of the worst kind - having Daddy pass a bill so her overpriced $600 device which delivers $1 worth of epinephrine has to be carried on every airliner. That she is not being excoriated like Martin Shkreli is a crime in and of itself.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:00:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that. If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. The injector was developed through US military funding, not by any private industry. Ever hear of the Mark I NAAK? |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:05:47 AM EDT
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And yet Narcan is given out like candy on halloween.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:06:27 AM EDT
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I'll just keep my expired ones, since I've never needed once since given the Rx over 30 years ago. I would buy a new pack every year and never use it, but it's like a seatbelt. I figure I can auto inject my old one and call 911 and they will bring a fresh one!
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:07:09 AM EDT
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Direct links to Joe Manchin, and the DNC globalist machine. Direct as in his daughter is the CEO of the company that increased the price 400%. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:08:53 AM EDT
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I don't understandwhy someone out there hasn't come out with a glucagon style prefilled syringe admin kit for epi. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Considering I can get an ampule of epi for about five bucks, and administer my own damned SQ or IM injection with an insulin syringe? Yeah... $600 for a two-pack of Epi-Pens just looks bad. I don't understandwhy someone out there hasn't come out with a glucagon style prefilled syringe admin kit for epi. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's really pretty easy to make your own "emergency epi kit." Somebody should make a YouTube video showing how... with the exact concentrations, amounts, and injection sites specified. The only thing that might screw you up is the concentration... but the only alternative concentration is actually LOWER, so the only risk would be in not getting enough Epi. You'd have to ensure people use an "insulin" type syringe... or even one with a smaller volume to prevent getting too much. I've never used a 0.5ML syringe, but somebody probably makes one. If it's not an adult, you'd also have to calculate the dose for peds based on weight. Intravenous/intravascular injection "by accident" is almost impossible if you choose your injection sites properly. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:10:00 AM EDT
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My kids allergist just prescribed one.
FML |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:10:19 AM EDT
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Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. The fact it even exists for you to buy is just this side of a miracle when you think about what's required to develop and make something like that. If you put me in a lab for 1,000 lifetimes, I'll probably never be able to make an epipen. So I'll pay whatever it costs. Bullshit That isn't capitalism. It is just pure scalping. They were making and selling it for $100 now $550. No extra cost to manufacure. Same stuff. No new development cost. They are sorry mother fuckers Rx companies are propped up by the FDA. Do some research. Don't disagree but at that price they have opened a market hole that a competitor can fill. Its not like eippens are magical or contain magical stuff. They contain epinephrine which isn't a drug that is novel or expensive. The part that they made possible was self administration. That company will be forced to drop the price when they lose their market after someone else puts a similar product out. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:10:51 AM EDT
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Well I'll just tote the ARFCOM line. If you don't like the price then find another product or invent your own medicine. Their product their rules. Don't like the price? You don't need to buy it either. A pack of Altoids will do just as good of a job and leave you with a minty breath. (/sarcasm). Their price on a product that has been in existence for years and whose product is bought in great quantities by the government. After a 'merger' the CEO (Manchin's daughter) decides to raise prices by 400%... Easy to do when you buy out the competition. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:11:26 AM EDT
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Any market or company that in any way gets direct help from grants, loans, or anything else from a .gov source cannot claim true capitalism.
Also, buy the medicine and inject with syringe. Much cheaper than epipen. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:11:41 AM EDT
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When does the patent expire? From the article: A generic version of the EpiPen did not get approval from the Food and Drug Administration; the agency cited "certain major deficiencies." http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/08/24/epipen-price-gouging-came-as-mylan-pulled-off-tax-inversion.html President Obama has lashed out against the practice of inversion, calling it “one of the most insidious tax loopholes out there.” Trump, too, has ripped corporate inversions, calling them a “huge problem.” What makes the Mylan case so problematic is that the company CEO Heather Bresch is the daughter of Democratic Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Democrats, led by Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, have loudly denounced corporate inversions. As patents expire, generic drug companies often jump in. But oddly, Israeli-based Teva Pharmaceuticals (TEVA) attempted to present a generic version but was soundly swatted down by the FDA which cited “certain major deficiencies” to Teva’s product. O’Brien smells a rat. “There is no competition. They have a monopoly. The barriers to entry are really high and right now there’s a low cost alternative trying to work its way through the FDA. I’ve been in this for 11 years. We’ve seen Twin-ject come and go, Auvi-Q (by Sanofi US) come and go.. Auvi-Q was recalled because of 26 unconfirmed reports. There needs to be an investigation into how (Mylan) has been able to maintain this monopoly that it has and yes, these are life saving devices but they can come in a lot of different forms and a healthy marketplace means healthy competition,” said O’Brien. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:11:46 AM EDT
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Try it when you can't feel your fingers, have tunnel vision, confusion and disorientation sets in, and your heart rate is Palp over zero.
The Epi-Pen is a solution because of the delivery system. Any tard can apply it, and it is workable for those disabled, disoriented, and alone, to self inject. Fuck up the dose with Epi, or fail to get the job done, and you're dead. It sounds like you're a volunteer to demonstrate it's not needed. Dibs on your stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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some desperate patients who can't afford EpiPens anymore have turned to filling syringes with epinephrine themselves — an extremely tricky and potentially dangerous alternative. LOL its not that hard to fill a syringe. Try it when you can't feel your fingers, have tunnel vision, confusion and disorientation sets in, and your heart rate is Palp over zero.
The Epi-Pen is a solution because of the delivery system. Any tard can apply it, and it is workable for those disabled, disoriented, and alone, to self inject. Fuck up the dose with Epi, or fail to get the job done, and you're dead. It sounds like you're a volunteer to demonstrate it's not needed. Dibs on your stuff. Wouldn't filling the syringe ahead of time and carrying it in a protective case basically be the same as an Epi-Pen? |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:11:58 AM EDT
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By direct links are you referring to the CEO who happens to be Manchin's daughter? This cunt is as crooked as hillery's hind leg. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Bresch That being said, price fixing snything is a bad idea. See Venezuela. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Direct links to Joe Manchin, and the DNC globalist machine. By direct links are you referring to the CEO who happens to be Manchin's daughter? This cunt is as crooked as hillery's hind leg. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Bresch That being said, price fixing snything is a bad idea. See Venezuela. Yep, that is the quandry. The thing is, it's being used to leverage the demand for universal coverage, and MORE Govt. control. The Globalists are playing every card, just before elections, and they are not afraid of killing people in the process. The Epi-pen delivery system has been around since the late 60's and was paid for by our Military budget. The lack of competitors isn't an accident. Winners and losers in Pharma are chosen by payola, punitive regulation, and connection. Nothing sells "Capitalism is evil" like shit of this level. It's no accident, nor is who is cashing in before retiring with millions. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:12:37 AM EDT
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Crony capitalism of the worst kind - having Daddy pass a bill so her overpriced $600 device which delivers $1 worth of epinephrine has to be carried on every airliner. That she is not being excoriated like Martin Shkreli is a crime in and of itself. Crony Capitalism is why many people hate capitalism. Freedom requires morals. |
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