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Posted: 8/24/2016 12:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is really the only redeeming feature. Weight, low capacity, fucky grip safety, can be unreliable if you don't stick to the original USGI specs, .45 doesn't do anything a modern 9mm hollowpoint won't, etc. *shrug* I used to carry 1911s. I carry 9mm Glocks now. With a decent trigger job the Glock trigger more than gets the job done. Are they as fun to shoot at paper targets on a one-way range? No, the 1911 with its glass rod trigger is best for target shooting in large calibers. For self-defense? I won't carry one again (unless forced to through necessity). They are obsoleted by more modern handguns. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something or is stuck in the past. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Best trigger hands down. This is really the only redeeming feature. Weight, low capacity, fucky grip safety, can be unreliable if you don't stick to the original USGI specs, .45 doesn't do anything a modern 9mm hollowpoint won't, etc. *shrug* I used to carry 1911s. I carry 9mm Glocks now. With a decent trigger job the Glock trigger more than gets the job done. Are they as fun to shoot at paper targets on a one-way range? No, the 1911 with its glass rod trigger is best for target shooting in large calibers. For self-defense? I won't carry one again (unless forced to through necessity). They are obsoleted by more modern handguns. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something or is stuck in the past. Please explain what makes a 1911 style obsolete. Nick |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 12:30:29 PM EDT
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If you follow the analogy, yes you did say value/lack of replacements/rarity keeps people from using them. The red, you got right, but you certainly made the comparison. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A lot of guys own and love old muscle cars 1911s but still drive a modern SUV or truck carry a glock to work. Terrible analogy. The only reason one wouldn't drive their muscle car carry their 1911 everyday would be they don't want to wear out something that isn't made anymore, and lack of things like AC and a CD player rails and mag capacity. If you follow the analogy, yes you did say value/lack of replacements/rarity keeps people from using them. The red, you got right, but you certainly made the comparison. Sigh. You saying I said that doesn't make it so. I spacificly said it is not a relevant analogy. And your little inserts are incorrect. 1911's obviously are still being made. People do carry them every day There are plenty of "modern" guns with the same capacity as the 1911 including the ever more perfect glocks! 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 12:40:07 PM EDT
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Glock kids keep saying that, but fail to back it up. Outclassed how? Other then mag capacity, where is the 1911 outclassed by anything? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1911 and .45ACP killed many enemies of the United States So has malaria. So what? Truth is its just a classic design. JMB was a genius and designed a fine gun. No arguing that. They're often a joy to shoot. Modern versions have evolved into very capable handgun. Also true is the fact that they are heavy, short on capacity and are known for sometimes being finicky. That's to say nothing of their typical premium price tag. Objectively speaking from a purely performance based standpoint the 1911 is outclassed by a large never of more modern designs. Despite all that there is still something to be said for the classics. 1911 is a fine gun. I enjoy owning and shooting onw myself. Glock kids keep saying that, but fail to back it up. Outclassed how? Other then mag capacity, where is the 1911 outclassed by anything? Well mag capacity is a huge factor but that aside there are pistols that are also lighter weight, more reliable, less expensive, easier to manufacture. To name a few factors. Look don't get butt hurt. 1911s are awesome. But take away the history of the design, the JMb worship, the appeal of its classic design and look strictly at performance and there is no debating that there are a lot of guns that do most things better than a 1911 does and typically for less $. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 12:41:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2016 12:45:01 PM EDT
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Well mag capacity is a huge factor but that aside there are pistols that are also lighter weight, more reliable, less expensive, easier to manufacture. To name a few factors. Look don't get butt hurt. 1911s are awesome. But take away the history of the design, the JMb worship, the appeal of its classic design and look strictly at performance and there is no debating that there are a lot of guns that do most things better than a 1911 does and typically for less $. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1911 and .45ACP killed many enemies of the United States So has malaria. So what? Truth is its just a classic design. JMB was a genius and designed a fine gun. No arguing that. They're often a joy to shoot. Modern versions have evolved into very capable handgun. Also true is the fact that they are heavy, short on capacity and are known for sometimes being finicky. That's to say nothing of their typical premium price tag. Objectively speaking from a purely performance based standpoint the 1911 is outclassed by a large never of more modern designs. Despite all that there is still something to be said for the classics. 1911 is a fine gun. I enjoy owning and shooting onw myself. Glock kids keep saying that, but fail to back it up. Outclassed how? Other then mag capacity, where is the 1911 outclassed by anything? Well mag capacity is a huge factor but that aside there are pistols that are also lighter weight, more reliable, less expensive, easier to manufacture. To name a few factors. Look don't get butt hurt. 1911s are awesome. But take away the history of the design, the JMb worship, the appeal of its classic design and look strictly at performance and there is no debating that there are a lot of guns that do most things better than a 1911 does and typically for less $. Not butthurt at all. Im laughing my ass off at the blind haters. There are many reasons I carry a 1911 on duty. Nostalgia is not one of them. Reliability and performance are. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 12:48:33 PM EDT
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How did I miss this, oh well, better late than never.
Because they are fuckin awesome. 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 12:49:13 PM EDT
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RickOshay's Rules For Success For Shooting A 1911:
1. Start with at least a medium quality pistol: Colt, Springfield, Ruger, S&W, MilSurp in good order - or better. 2. Pistol should be clean and lubed 3. With good springs - replace these in a used pistol or if there is any doubt - they are cheap. 4. If a modern pistol, replace critical parts fabricated by metal injection molding with tool steel or spring steel parts, well fitted. 5. Pistol should be broken in - at least 300 rounds through it. Any faults corrected. 6. At least average quality ammunition, or better, previously demonstrated to function well in your pistol and magazines. 7. Equip with at least medium quality (Checkmate, MecGar, Novak, GENUINE G.I surplus) or better (CMC PowerMag, Wilson, etc.) magazines that are: A. Clean - You DO know how to disassembel and clean a fixed base mag - right? B. LIGHTLY lubricated - just wipe the spring, folloer, inside of mag body with an oiled path - too much oil can kill primers. C. Known to function in this pistol, with this ammo IF you follow those guidelines, I bet your 1911 will run just fine to the end of whatever class you are taking. Also, these guidelines are pretty good for ANY semi-automatic pistol. Now, if you show up at a class with a pistol you haven't broken in, or cleaned, with "Gun Show Special G.I. suplus" (FAKE) magazines, or even quality mags that have never been cleaned and lubed, because you don't know how to take it apart, or even worse, YOU PUT THE SPRING IN WRONG, or has a weak spring, and try to feed it a brand of ammo you have never checked in that gun - yeah, you might not make it to the end of the class. Ask me how I know .... 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 12:56:20 PM EDT
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You've never fired one.
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Posted: 8/24/2016 12:59:13 PM EDT
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RickOshay's Rules For Success For Shooting A 1911: 1. Start with at least a medium quality pistol: Colt, Springfield, Ruger, S&W, MilSurp in good order - or better. 2. Pistol should be clean and lubed 3. With good springs - replace these in a used pistol or if there is any doubt - they are cheap. 4. If a modern pistol, replace critical parts fabricated by metal injection molding with tool steel or spring steel parts, well fitted. 5. Pistol should be broken in - at least 300 rounds through it. Any faults corrected. 6. At least average quality ammunition, or better, previously demonstrated to function well in your pistol and magazines. 7. Equip with at least medium quality (Checkmate, MecGar, Novak, GENUINE G.I surplus) or better (CMC PowerMag, Wilson, etc.) magazines that are: A. Clean - You DO know how to disassembel and clean a fixed base mag - right? B. LIGHTLY lubricated - just wipe the spring, folloer, inside of mag body with an oiled path - too much oil can kill primers. C. Known to function in this pistol, with this ammo IF you follow those guidelines, I bet your 1911 will run just fine to the end of whatever class you are taking. Also, these guidelines are pretty good for ANY semi-automatic pistol. Now, if you show up at a class with a pistol you haven't broken in, or cleaned, with "Gun Show Special G.I. suplus" (FAKE) magazines, or even quality mags that have never been cleaned and lubed, because you don't know how to take it apart, or even worse, YOU PUT THE SPRING IN WRONG, or has a weak spring, and try to feed it a brand of ammo you have never checked in that gun - yeah, you might not make it to the end of the class. Ask me how I know .... Good advice: Took 2 day tac pistol class with 1911 about 2 years ago, only one in class with one. Instructor mentioned after day 2 that I was one of very few that came with a functioning 1911 and had no issues. I kinda know them, do my own mods, and like to tinker with em. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:22:38 PM EDT
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Sigh.....there are polymer 1911's, tho that is not really an improvement. There are also double stack 1911's. There are plenty of quality 1911's for under 1k. There is nothing that a glock has over a 1911 besides capacity. If you want to do a car analogy, a 1911 would be a loaded Silverado and a glock would be a stripped down fleet S10. One is a refined, reliable work horse with great capability and all the bells and whistles. the other is a no frills bottom of the barrel commuter that any moron should be able use to get from point A to point B. But hay, it's got a plastic floor and crank Windows! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A lot of guys own and love old muscle cars but still drive a modern SUV or truck to work. Terrible analogy. The only reason one wouldn't drive their muscle car everyday would be they don't want to wear out something that isn't made anymore, and lack of things like AC and a CD player. You said it's a terrible analogy and then supported my analogy with further evidence. Muscle cars may be less reliable and lack options. 1911's also lack options like double stack magazines and light weight polymers. If Stan Chen or Joe Chambers custom hand built me a 20K 1911 I'd be afraid of wearing it out too since parts won't be readily available. Sigh.....there are polymer 1911's, tho that is not really an improvement. There are also double stack 1911's. There are plenty of quality 1911's for under 1k. There is nothing that a glock has over a 1911 besides capacity. If you want to do a car analogy, a 1911 would be a loaded Silverado and a glock would be a stripped down fleet S10. One is a refined, reliable work horse with great capability and all the bells and whistles. the other is a no frills bottom of the barrel commuter that any moron should be able use to get from point A to point B. But hay, it's got a plastic floor and crank Windows! A Glock does nothing better other than hold more rounds? lol |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:24:05 PM EDT
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Not butthurt at all. Im laughing my ass off at the blind haters. There are many reasons I carry a 1911 on duty. Nostalgia is not one of them. Reliability and performance are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1911 and .45ACP killed many enemies of the United States So has malaria. So what? Truth is its just a classic design. JMB was a genius and designed a fine gun. No arguing that. They're often a joy to shoot. Modern versions have evolved into very capable handgun. Also true is the fact that they are heavy, short on capacity and are known for sometimes being finicky. That's to say nothing of their typical premium price tag. Objectively speaking from a purely performance based standpoint the 1911 is outclassed by a large never of more modern designs. Despite all that there is still something to be said for the classics. 1911 is a fine gun. I enjoy owning and shooting onw myself. Glock kids keep saying that, but fail to back it up. Outclassed how? Other then mag capacity, where is the 1911 outclassed by anything? Well mag capacity is a huge factor but that aside there are pistols that are also lighter weight, more reliable, less expensive, easier to manufacture. To name a few factors. Look don't get butt hurt. 1911s are awesome. But take away the history of the design, the JMb worship, the appeal of its classic design and look strictly at performance and there is no debating that there are a lot of guns that do most things better than a 1911 does and typically for less $. Not butthurt at all. Im laughing my ass off at the blind haters. There are many reasons I carry a 1911 on duty. Nostalgia is not one of them. Reliability and performance are. If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:29:33 PM EDT
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If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses! 
my 1911 has outperformed many glocks and sigs, welcome to the club |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:31:05 PM EDT
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i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses!
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If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses!
my 1911 has outperformed many glocks and sigs, welcome to the club Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:32:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not going to debate pros and cons with folks here, but this is coming from a shooter with over 20 years of experience and a gunsmith with over 10 years experience. 1911s are cantankerous pains in the ass, they are finicky, and they are obsolete compared to the current handguns available today. Anyone who thinks that they are still a viable weapon system that one would actually USE to protect one's life needs to do a serious reality check. The above being said, I love 1911s, I love to shoot them, I love the way that they feel in my hand. I like the way they look, I like the way that they fit together. They are pieces of artwork, unlike the form following function polymer guns that are made and used today. They are also a wonderful part of the history of this country, having served in more conflicts than any other firearm. In short, 1911s are great, just don't depend on them to save you, there are better options. I've got 30 years of experience shooting the 1911, and sorry, but that's fucking retarded. I've relied on one as a primary defense weapon for more than a decade. Thousands of rounds, not a single failure. Couldn't say that about the Glock that I sold. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:32:32 PM EDT
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If you have to ask, it just shows, you have not yet had the experience.
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:32:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Objectively speaking from a purely performance based standpoint the 1911 is outclassed by a large never of more modern designs. Despite all that there is still something to be said for the classics. 1911 is a fine gun. I enjoy owning and shooting onw myself. Glock kids keep saying that, but fail to back it up. Outclassed how? Other then mag capacity, where is the 1911 outclassed by anything? Well mag capacity is a huge factor but that aside there are pistols that are also lighter weight, more reliable, less expensive, easier to manufacture. To name a few factors. Look don't get butt hurt. 1911s are awesome. But take away the history of the design, the JMb worship, the appeal of its classic design and look strictly at performance and there is no debating that there are a lot of guns that do most things better than a 1911 does and typically for less $. Not butthurt at all. Im laughing my ass off at the blind haters. There are many reasons I carry a 1911 on duty. Nostalgia is not one of them. Reliability and performance are. If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. Both my 5" and my 3.5" 1911 are running 100%, and have since the beginning. As well, they have proven to repeatedly shoot POA->POI with anything 200-230 gr. So, reliablity 100%, performance, repeatable and consistant. What am I missing here? Is tupperware 125% reliable? Are the rounds self-guiding, or do they curve around obsticles to hit my target? I am really failing to see what a glock brings to the table. If you prefer glocks, fine. Shoot them to your heart's content and I won't knock your choice FOR YOU. Why do you seem unable to extent the same courtesy to anyone else? Nick |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:38:38 PM EDT
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Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses!
my 1911 has outperformed many glocks and sigs, welcome to the club Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. Glocks come apart when you hit people with them. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:43:33 PM EDT
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Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses!
my 1911 has outperformed many glocks and sigs, welcome to the club Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. prove it. there is nothing your "modern" gun does better then the 1911 |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:44:47 PM EDT
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For 'serious' use? Too heavy, too few rounds, grip is too deep, grip safety is a useless "feature" that interferes with holding the gun.
For fun at the range? Tune one up to run well, with a good trigger, and it'll be the most fun hour you've ever had shooting plate racks. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:46:15 PM EDT
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If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses!
my 1911 has outperformed many glocks and sigs, welcome to the club Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. Glocks come apart when you hit people with them. had a guy at a training a while back with a glock (only one with a glock, everyone else had operators) couldnt get it to run more then 2 rounds before a stoppage... must have been the -30f temp 
all the 1911's ran perfect
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:09:44 PM EDT
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If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses!
my 1911 has outperformed many glocks and sigs, welcome to the club Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. prove it. there is nothing your "modern" gun does better then the 1911 Capacity. Weight. Easier to make. Reliability. Ease of maintenance. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:24:21 PM EDT
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Capacity. 1911's come in 14rd'rs, glock are now coming in single stacks. Weight. Non-issue,weight makes the weapon more controllable, faster followups Easier to make. No Reliability. No Ease of maintenance. No Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses!
my 1911 has outperformed many glocks and sigs, welcome to the club Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. prove it. there is nothing your "modern" gun does better then the 1911 Capacity. 1911's come in 14rd'rs, glock are now coming in single stacks. Weight. Non-issue,weight makes the weapon more controllable, faster followups Easier to make. No Reliability. No Ease of maintenance. No |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:41:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:45:08 PM EDT
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i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses!
my 1911 has outperformed many glocks and sigs, welcome to the club Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. prove it. there is nothing your "modern" gun does better then the 1911 Capacity. 1911's come in 14rd'rs, glock are now coming in single stacks. Weight. Non-issue,weight makes the weapon more controllable, faster followups Easier to make. No Reliability. No Ease of maintenance. No Those are valid reasons why a Glock is a better fighting tool than a 1911. A heavy ass 1911 that holds 7 rounds is an issue, it's not as easy to carry and a Glock that holds 17 rounds is still lighter. No one who carries a 1911 is walking around with a 14 rd double stack 2011 and the single stack Glocks are subcompact guns. just because you dismiss what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:49:43 PM EDT
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If you cared about reliability and performance you'd get a real gun. i'm glad to hear you are coming to your senses!
my 1911 has outperformed many glocks and sigs, welcome to the club Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. Glocks come apart when you hit people with them. 1911's come apart when you shoot them. I'm pretty sure I still have a plunger tube from one and part of a slide stop from another in low earth orbit somewhere. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:50:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are valid reasons why a Glock is a better fighting tool than a 1911. A heavy ass 1911 that holds 7 rounds is an issue, it's not as easy to carry and a Glock that holds 17 rounds is still lighter. No one who carries a 1911 is walking around with a 14 rd double stack 2011 and the single stack Glocks are subcompact guns. just because you dismiss what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Reading is hard isn't it. There is nothing a 1911 does better than modern guns except the trigger and nostalgia. prove it. there is nothing your "modern" gun does better then the 1911 Capacity. 1911's come in 14rd'rs, glock are now coming in single stacks. Weight. Non-issue,weight makes the weapon more controllable, faster followups Easier to make. No Reliability. No Ease of maintenance. No Those are valid reasons why a Glock is a better fighting tool than a 1911. A heavy ass 1911 that holds 7 rounds is an issue, it's not as easy to carry and a Glock that holds 17 rounds is still lighter. No one who carries a 1911 is walking around with a 14 rd double stack 2011 and the single stack Glocks are subcompact guns. just because you dismiss what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. Again. Why. Do. You. Care? Does Aston Glock personally give you a BJ every time you rail against us poor ignorant schlubs? Give it a rest. Nick |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:50:51 PM EDT
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What kind of limp wristed little women are you that say a 1911 is too heavy?
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:03:53 PM EDT
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Those are valid reasons why a Glock is a better fighting tool than a 1911. A heavy ass 1911 that holds 7 rounds is an issue, it's not as easy to carry and a Glock that holds 17 rounds is still lighter. No one who carries a 1911 is walking around with a 14 rd double stack 2011 and the single stack Glocks are subcompact guns. just because you dismiss what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. Again. Why. Do. You. Care? Does Aston Glock personally give you a BJ every time you rail against us poor ignorant schlubs? Give it a rest. Nick All that is required for derp to triumph is good men to do nothing. Left unhindered this kinda stuff costs me money - like my tax dollars to the Colt M45 contract. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:07:10 PM EDT
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Capacity. 1911's come in 14rd'rs, glock are now coming in single stacks. Weight. Non-issue,weight makes the weapon more controllable, faster followups Easier to make. No Reliability. No Ease of maintenance. No Those are valid reasons why a Glock is a better fighting tool than a 1911. A heavy ass 1911 that holds 7 rounds is an issue, it's not as easy to carry and a Glock that holds 17 rounds is still lighter. No one who carries a 1911 is walking around with a 14 rd double stack 2011 and the single stack Glocks are subcompact guns. just because you dismiss what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. Again. Why. Do. You. Care? Does Aston Glock personally give you a BJ every time you rail against us poor ignorant schlubs? Give it a rest. Nick OP asked for opinions about the 1911. Don't get mad when some people don't like the 1911. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:15:09 PM EDT
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Gun is over 100 years old, still wildly popular. Never understood why people try to narrow it down to what gun is best, be thankful and enjoy all of them.
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:20:12 PM EDT
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So what's all the fuss about 1911s? Why are they supposedly gods gift to the world. Have never fired one, what makes them so awesome over a more modern .45? 1) Feels good, isn't bulky. 2) Shoots good round. 3) Can be very accurate. 4) Can have a very nice trigger pull. Its low capacity, but just another option out there of very good guns. This pretty much. Nothing feels like a good 1911. Also TONS of ways to customize them. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:21:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:23:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are valid reasons why a Glock is a better fighting tool than a 1911. A heavy ass 1911 that holds 7 rounds is an issue, it's not as easy to carry and a Glock that holds 17 rounds is still lighter. No one who carries a 1911 is walking around with a 14 rd double stack 2011 and the single stack Glocks are subcompact guns. just because you dismiss what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Capacity. 1911's come in 14rd'rs, glock are now coming in single stacks. Weight. Non-issue,weight makes the weapon more controllable, faster followups Easier to make. No Reliability. No Ease of maintenance. No Those are valid reasons why a Glock is a better fighting tool than a 1911. A heavy ass 1911 that holds 7 rounds is an issue, it's not as easy to carry and a Glock that holds 17 rounds is still lighter. No one who carries a 1911 is walking around with a 14 rd double stack 2011 and the single stack Glocks are subcompact guns. just because you dismiss what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. A Glock is no more reliable than a properly made 1911. Further, you must be one seriously weak individual if you think "a heavy ass 1911". And for the record, I carry a Govt. model w/an 8rd in the pistol, and 2 10rd mags on my side. Carry it all day without issues. * When not in mil uniform. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP asked for opinions about the 1911. Don't get mad when some people don't like the 1911. Don't get mad when people tell you that you're uninformed and full of horseshit. Everything you've posted is just that. If you don't like them, that's fine. You don't have to. But don't spread mistruths, bad information, and flat out lies. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:32:09 PM EDT
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They were cool before houses had electricity. Obsolete POS, now. User name is appropriate. Obsolete? They still fire bullets don't they? They are still sold and carried by hundreds thousands of people. They are not plastic nor do they have high capacity magazines. Yet they are accurate, slim, easy to shoot and the aftermarket part industry makes a killing selling parts for them. Moreso than the beloved High Power. Go sit in your rocking chair and clean your glock
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:37:14 PM EDT
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Well mag capacity is a huge factor but that aside there are pistols that are also lighter weight, more reliable, less expensive, easier to manufacture. To name a few factors. Look don't get butt hurt. 1911s are awesome. But take away the history of the design, the JMb worship, the appeal of its classic design and look strictly at performance and there is no debating that there are a lot of guns that do most things better than a 1911 does and typically for less $. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1911 and .45ACP killed many enemies of the United States So has malaria. So what? Truth is its just a classic design. JMB was a genius and designed a fine gun. No arguing that. They're often a joy to shoot. Modern versions have evolved into very capable handgun. Also true is the fact that they are heavy, short on capacity and are known for sometimes being finicky. That's to say nothing of their typical premium price tag. Objectively speaking from a purely performance based standpoint the 1911 is outclassed by a large never of more modern designs. Despite all that there is still something to be said for the classics. 1911 is a fine gun. I enjoy owning and shooting onw myself. Glock kids keep saying that, but fail to back it up. Outclassed how? Other then mag capacity, where is the 1911 outclassed by anything? Well mag capacity is a huge factor but that aside there are pistols that are also lighter weight, more reliable, less expensive, easier to manufacture. To name a few factors. Look don't get butt hurt. 1911s are awesome. But take away the history of the design, the JMb worship, the appeal of its classic design and look strictly at performance and there is no debating that there are a lot of guns that do most things better than a 1911 does and typically for less $. Mag capacity isn't a problem for someone looking at single stack .45s. I have a HK45c and it has the same capacity, with a worse trigger (though I still love the gun). |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:42:19 PM EDT
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If you wanna really get the 1911 crown confused, we need to discuss the one I don't have yet.
It is the sweet and wonderful 9mm 1911
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:52:31 PM EDT
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Gun is over 100 years old, still wildly popular. Never understood why people try to narrow it down to what gun is best, be thankful and enjoy all of them. Likely the most correct answer in the thread. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:55:24 PM EDT
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Gun is over 100 years old, still wildly popular. Never understood why people try to narrow it down to what gun is best, be thankful and enjoy all of them. Sir, this is GD, calm voices of reason have no place here. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:00:03 PM EDT
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If you wanna really get the 1911 crown confused, we need to discuss the one I don't have yet. It is the sweet and wonderful 9mm 1911
I need to make an excuse to get one. Everyone I know that has shot one has bought one. I plan to pick one up eventually, the full size Colt 1991 9mm looks fun, though I really wish they'd make one with adjustable sights. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:00:37 PM EDT
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There have been a number of posters who hit both high points and low points of the 1911 pattern, but here is MY summary of why a 1911 is held in such high regard.
My evaluation is based on "shootablility" and ergonomics more than anything else. To it's credit, the 1911 posseses all of these attributes: 1. grip angle and size--for MOST shooters, no pistol will point better than a 1911, and the grip is thin enough for small handed persons to manage it well 2. balance--although the 1911 is relatively heavy, it balances quite well in the hand, making it easy to handle in spite of it's weight 3. sight radius--long enough to be precise when needed 4. weight versus power--in spite of shooting a heavy cartridge, the relatively large weight, coupled with the balance, makes shooting a 1911 pleasant, even for those who are recoil averse 5. user controls--the safety, slide stop, trigger, and magazine release are all in positions that allow most shooters to reach them without upsetting their grip 6. trigger--as noted before, there is NO autoloading pistol (with the exception of some specialized target models) that feature a better trigger than a 1911 On the debit side of the equation: Yes, it's heavy. Yes, it does not hold 10 bazillion rounds. Yes, the original sights sucked. But when you add all of the above up, THAT is what makes a 1911 a joy to shoot. The 1911 is not the only pistol out there that has any merit, but there probably is no pistol that is more "shootable" than a 1911. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:07:58 PM EDT
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They were cool before houses had electricity. Obsolete POS, now. Lol |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:11:53 PM EDT
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They were cool before houses had electricity. Obsolete POS, now. Lol Electricity didn't get to his neck of the woods till about 1987. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:37:57 PM EDT
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I will say that for me personally, the grip angle and width is perfect for me. Plus their triggers are inherently nice compared to most modern combat pistols. It just adds up to a really nice platform that I shoot really well with. Accuracy and .45 ACP are one hell of a combination. Old fashioned 3-gun bullseye shoots a 1911 at 50 YARDS. One handed. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:38:35 PM EDT
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If you're a 1911 fanatic and cannot laugh at this, you seriously need to log off and reflect.  https://youtu.be/iVkOcVEvpF4I actually feel like I wasted a few minutes of my life watching that. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:49:04 PM EDT
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They were cool before houses had electricity. Obsolete POS, now. Lol Electricity didn't get to his neck of the woods till about 1987. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:53:02 PM EDT
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LOL sounds more like you had experience with poorly made guns, or over specialized guns that were way out of traditional M1911A1 spec. There's a reason cheap 1911's run circles around expensive ones. 
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Had several and own none. The Good: 70 series had the sweetest trigger I've ever diddled with my finger. Smooth and broke like glass. Really showed me what, "let it surprise you," meant. It's a no brainer for bulls eye shooting. Feels nice in your hand. Metal and balance. The low capacity single stack means that you can really wrap your hand around it for the proverbial "fist full of steel." The safety is in EXACTLY the right spot. Everything about it feels natural. There's something about the proportions of the muzzle. The thin barrel wall makes the bore look huge or something. When you point a modern gun at someone they focus on your hands or eyes. When you point a 1911 at someone their eyes get big and focus on the muzzle. Things come to a screeching halt. There's a certain gravity to looking down the business end of a 1911 that commands attention and respect. The reality: They need to be tuned. And re-tuned if the temperature or humidity changes. Tuned like a car with breaker points. When's the last time you set dwell or adjusted carburetor screws with a tach and vacuum gauge? They need to be polished, stroked, fluffed, and prayed over to feed properly, and when they don't feed it's always the magazine's fault. You have to shoot the crap out of it, all the time, with expensive ammo, in order to have faith that it's going to work when you need it. Meaning, if it isn't constantly tested, then you have no idea whether it's in-tune enough to work. No matter which pricey, high maintenance, big named 1911, ammo, and mags you buy ... they can't run reliably at a class. Even with spot maintenance cleanings during the breaks. All of them, and I mean ALL OF THEM go down. Meanwhile every out-of-the-box Glock or XD that hasn't been cleaned in 5 years feeds and fires every time and never goes down at a class. For all their charm and magnificence, they have simply been eclipsed in both design and material science. They excel in some corner cases, but when you need a no-nonsense, reliable, commuter pistol that you can beat the crap out of, neglect, and still depend on .... 1911 doesn't inhabit the solution space. There's a reason cheap 1911's run circles around expensive ones.
Actually his post sounds exactly like a speech I heard from Giles Stock (Gunsite Instructor when Jeff Cooper owned the place). While he himself preferred to carry a 1911, when teaching he prefered to teach the "wonder 9's" as he'd get to teach more and have to deal with far fewer guns going down during class, interrupting teaching. That's from a guy that's been teaching people how to shoot 1911s since before many on this website were born. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:54:05 PM EDT
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Some people simply do not know how to shoot a gun properly, so they blame the weapon, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had several and own none. The Good: 70 series had the sweetest trigger I've ever diddled with my finger. Smooth and broke like glass. Really showed me what, "let it surprise you," meant. It's a no brainer for bulls eye shooting. Feels nice in your hand. Metal and balance. The low capacity single stack means that you can really wrap your hand around it for the proverbial "fist full of steel." The safety is in EXACTLY the right spot. Everything about it feels natural. There's something about the proportions of the muzzle. The thin barrel wall makes the bore look huge or something. When you point a modern gun at someone they focus on your hands or eyes. When you point a 1911 at someone their eyes get big and focus on the muzzle. Things come to a screeching halt. There's a certain gravity to looking down the business end of a 1911 that commands attention and respect. The reality: They need to be tuned. And re-tuned if the temperature or humidity changes. Tuned like a car with breaker points. When's the last time you set dwell or adjusted carburetor screws with a tach and vacuum gauge? They need to be polished, stroked, fluffed, and prayed over to feed properly, and when they don't feed it's always the magazine's fault. You have to shoot the crap out of it, all the time, with expensive ammo, in order to have faith that it's going to work when you need it. Meaning, if it isn't constantly tested, then you have no idea whether it's in-tune enough to work. No matter which pricey, high maintenance, big named 1911, ammo, and mags you buy ... they can't run reliably at a class. Even with spot maintenance cleanings during the breaks. All of them, and I mean ALL OF THEM go down. Meanwhile every out-of-the-box Glock or XD that hasn't been cleaned in 5 years feeds and fires every time and never goes down at a class. For all their charm and magnificence, they have simply been eclipsed in both design and material science. They excel in some corner cases, but when you need a no-nonsense, reliable, commuter pistol that you can beat the crap out of, neglect, and still depend on .... 1911 doesn't inhabit the solution space. massive pile of bullshit  So Giles Stock doesn't know how to shoot a 1911 properly?
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Posted: 8/24/2016 5:06:06 PM EDT
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Please explain what makes a 1911 style obsolete. Nick Sure! Every 1911 thread should start with this -> Quoted:
"We have pistols that have over 100,000 rounds" "We go through approximately 150,000-180,000 rounds combined of 9mm, .45, .50AE, .500S&W, .38 Special, .380 and 9mm Makarov each month." "I can tell you that even though I am not a "Glock guy", it is the most reliable handgun in our inventory and I would trust it with my life. We use Gen1-Gen4 17's on the line and they are the most hassle-free handgun we have... It would be fair to say that they get at least 100,000 rounds before cracking."" 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 5:12:15 PM EDT
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All the people saying get the glock because you can fire 200,000 rounds of ammo through it without a hitch.
Ive never met anyone in my life who can afford $70,000 worth of ammo. Apparently all the glock folks can, and do though
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