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Posted: 11/23/2016 12:44:51 PM EDT
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Definitely good stuff to show my students. I just have to show it, getting around the schools firewall blocking youtube entirely.   
We may all be watching and listening to it from my phone. 
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Fantastic video of the engines in slow motion, at launch. I've only watched the first 10 minutes so far. </iframe> Amazing video. Thanks for posting it Leisure. Definitely good stuff to show my students. I just have to show it, getting around the schools firewall blocking youtube entirely.
We may all be watching and listening to it from my phone.
Maybe get a Chromecast to plug into your TV or projector (HDMI input). Then you can send videos from your phone to a larger screen. I used one the one year I taught a computer networking class to get around the youtube block at my school. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:20:25 PM EDT
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Definitely good stuff to show my students. I just have to show it, getting around the schools firewall blocking youtube entirely.
We may all be watching and listening to it from my phone.
Hell, just ask them how to show it for the fastest solution. 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 3:38:10 PM EDT
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Definitely good stuff to show my students. I just have to show it, getting around the schools firewall blocking youtube entirely.
We may all be watching and listening to it from my phone.
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Fantastic video of the engines in slow motion, at launch. I've only watched the first 10 minutes so far. </iframe> Amazing video. Thanks for posting it Leisure. Definitely good stuff to show my students. I just have to show it, getting around the schools firewall blocking youtube entirely.
We may all be watching and listening to it from my phone.
Flash Video Downloader is a free Firefox extension that allows you to download Youtube videos as .flv files. Which play perfectly on VLC Media Player. If your admin permissions won't allow VLC, you can drop the video into a Powerpoint slide and play it through there (ppt supports .flv files directly), as long as it's not too huge. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 4:45:45 PM EDT
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Well, the robotics portion of this project may have gotten a bit harder to complete.... the robotics teacher is no longer working for the district  ....... ok, well, no, that really won't make any difference given his involvement so far.
Now there is a long term substitute in place for the rest of the semester. It's been a frustrating semester trying to get his help in the project  . Even harder holding my tongue. My son has been working with no help from him on it.
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Posted: 11/28/2016 6:54:29 PM EDT
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Seems difficult to keep a robotics teacher up there. Perhaps y'all could build one next year.
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Posted: 11/28/2016 6:56:54 PM EDT
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Seems difficult to keep a robotics teacher up there. Perhaps y'all could build one next year. 
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Posted: 11/28/2016 6:58:15 PM EDT
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Seems difficult to keep a robotics teacher up there. Perhaps y'all could build one next year. 
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Posted: 11/28/2016 8:00:59 PM EDT
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Do you need some suggestions for the doors? I'm sure you can get some good advice here.
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Posted: 11/28/2016 8:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the robotics portion of this project may have gotten a bit harder to complete.... the robotics teacher is no longer working for the district ....... ok, well, no, that really won't make any difference given his involvement so far.Now there is a long term substitute in place for the rest of the semester. It's been a frustrating semester trying to get his help in the project . Even harder holding my tongue. My son has been working with no help from him on it. What are the requirements to be a robotics teacher? I have a masters and experience with computers, micro-controllers, stepper motors and various kinds of sensors. I can run a lathe and a mill. Maybe it's time to GTFO of this liberal shithole state and try something new. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 8:28:02 PM EDT
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Do you need some suggestions for the doors? I'm sure you can get some good advice here. I'm going to try and share an idea my son has later. He's found a pretty good actuator, and I think we can make it work quite well. I'll share the video in a bit when I can get him to send me a link. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 8:29:35 PM EDT
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What are the requirements to be a robotics teacher? I have a masters and experience with computers, micro-controllers, stepper motors and various kinds of sensors. I can run a lathe and a mill. Maybe it's time to GTFO of this liberal shithole state and try something new. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, the robotics portion of this project may have gotten a bit harder to complete.... the robotics teacher is no longer working for the district ....... ok, well, no, that really won't make any difference given his involvement so far.
Now there is a long term substitute in place for the rest of the semester. It's been a frustrating semester trying to get his help in the project . Even harder holding my tongue. My son has been working with no help from him on it.
Maybe it's time to GTFO of this liberal shithole state and try something new. Not sure exactly, I know there can be some alternative ways to get certified. We need someone that can write and teach coding too. ETA... sending IM |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 9:25:14 PM EDT
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Update 11/28
Kids enjoyed the end of the movie. 
Here is the actuator my son thinks we can make work. One per door. 
Getting ready for some tiles back here. 
More tiles along the front edge of the wing. 
All the SSMEs set up. 
First coat of paint on a SSME. Looks like they are going to work. It needs some weathering, and some lettering, but should work out. 
ETA: Anyone wanting to teach Computer Science and robotics can IM me for the schools phone number.
If you have experience in those fields, there may be ways to get certified. Pay is pretty damn good for teaching and we live in the most amazing of the 50 states. You might even get an instant shooting buddy.
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Posted: 11/28/2016 10:06:39 PM EDT
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Seems difficult to keep a robotics teacher up there. Perhaps y'all could build one next year. Yeah....
Tough position to fill, as they have to know enough that they can probably make twice what a teacher makes in the real world. It takes someone who genuinely wants to teach despite the lower pay. Hopefully we can find someone quickly. My 17yr old son is now basically teaching the beginning computer science class during his independent study class. The sub has some Web Development experience, but no coding. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 10:47:24 PM EDT
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I'm going to try and share an idea my son has later. He's found a pretty good actuator, and I think we can make it work quite well. I'll share the video in a bit when I can get him to send me a link. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you need some suggestions for the doors? I'm sure you can get some good advice here. I'm going to try and share an idea my son has later. He's found a pretty good actuator, and I think we can make it work quite well. I'll share the video in a bit when I can get him to send me a link. There is a pdf file that can be found by searching "shuttle payload bay doors and radiator panels familiarization handbook" I am using a phone here and probably couldn't link it up if I had a computer anyway lol It is about 90 so pages of the system with some good drawings and pictures of the actuators and arms. ETA- hope this works http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwiZyvWV9MzQAhXK6SYKHVe4DlEQFghLMAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fntrs.nasa.gov%2Farchive%2Fnasa%2Fcasi.ntrs.nasa.gov%2F19920011434.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFWFbPYJoNtQ7danzJhARUdnntshA |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 11:24:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2016 1:56:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Update 11/28 Kids enjoyed the end of the movie. Here is the actuator my son thinks we can make work. One per door.  https://youtu.be/myQBIrYzvtUGetting ready for some tiles back here. https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5539/30938698840_95931d0382_h.jpg More tiles along the front edge of the wing. https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5349/30938706450_8169e3b6fa_h.jpg All the SSMEs set up. https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5529/30938713940_e79debbea8_h.jpg First coat of paint on a SSME. Looks like they are going to work. It needs some weathering, and some lettering, but should work out. https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5745/31307011065_bc99f95aaa_h.jpg ETA: Anyone wanting to teach Computer Science and robotics can IM me for the schools phone number. If you have experience in those fields, there may be ways to get certified. Pay is pretty damn good for teaching and we live in the most amazing of the 50 states. You might even get an instant shooting buddy. |
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Posted: 11/29/2016 8:30:55 PM EDT
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My favorite foul mouthed canadian machinist posted a video abouthow those actuators work http://youtu.be/NEcG3dkZyTg
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Posted: 11/29/2016 8:59:18 PM EDT
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LMFAO! first thing I thought of, since I just watched it, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My favorite foul mouthed canadian machinist posted a video abouthow those actuators work http://youtu.be/NEcG3dkZyTg
Good video. Pretty funny. I forwarded this to my son and told him he just signed a lifelong contract on replacing them anytime I need them fixed.
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Posted: 11/29/2016 9:15:41 PM EDT
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Update 11/29
Today we tiled like crazy. Even though tiles were cut all day long, off and on, students still ran out by the end of the day. We will have to double our efforts tomorrow to try and stay ahead. The tail got lots of attention today. 
The bottom of wing two almost got finished by the end of the day. One mix up caused a little back tracking, but we are close. 
One cargo door was removed to start painting and preparing for the silver inside paint. It still needs some caulking. 
The OMS modules got more details and a few more thrusters today. The tiles went on quickly. 
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Posted: 12/1/2016 5:28:25 AM EDT
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Looking really good! I love how the detail work makes your projects start to pop and come alive at the end.
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Posted: 12/1/2016 9:28:00 AM EDT
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Looking really good! I love how the detail work makes your projects start to pop and come alive at the end. It opens up so much more work for the kids to take on, but dang.... there is so much more work, and they are constantly pointing out more things we are missing.
ETA: Just saw the new image upload buttons.... hmmmm..... I may need some new training on adding pictures. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 1:22:42 PM EDT
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It opens up so much more work for the kids to take on, but dang.... there is so much more work, and they are constantly pointing out more things we are missing.
ETA: Just saw the new image upload buttons.... hmmmm..... I may need some new training on adding pictures. Crash Course in using photos in posts |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 4:19:16 PM EDT
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Adding some expanding foam today. Needed another can. + 12.00 ----------------- $784.00 Adding paint +76.00 ------------------- $860 new sub total + $40.00 - Caulking, and two traffic cones. _______________ $900.00 new sub total. Not bad really. of course that doesn't include the two linear actuators +100.00 
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Posted: 12/1/2016 8:12:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI can't wait to try it out, but for now, I'm going to stay with flikr. As much as I hate it, it keeps them organized and I can share the link to the whole album for each project. Thats been pretty helpful. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 8:24:06 PM EDT
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The new tool is really handy for posting pics from your phone - but they can't be in max resolution, and a lot of folks are going to give their exact position away. They might have been doing that already, but it's now even easier to destroy your PERSEC.
Another question which isn't clear - if you're booted from the site, are all your pics purged? Other folks across the web will link to our pics, and use them on other websites. If pics get deleted later, that breaks links. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 8:32:21 PM EDT
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Update 12/1
Good couple days of work in today's update. First, we took off the second bay door to paint and clean up. 
With the doors off, students painted the edges and the inside silver. I'm not sure the silver is right yet. It's an acrylic metalic. I've got rattle cans ready, but it may be too bright. 
The panels on the sides were cut out and here u you can see the insert before it is fully seated with some dremeling groves to accept the edges. 
Here it's fully seated. We are starting the details of it tomorrow. 
Nice backside view of it, and some tile work around the OMS modules. 
The satellite crew working on structure. 
The cargo bay air lock going together. 
Everyone's a clown for pictures. 
Chillin' between classes getting ready for more tiles. 
Front edge of wing tiles. 
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:28:50 PM EDT
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Hey Guns, how do those brush strokes on the inside of the bay doors look once they're dry? It's been a while but when I was a kid I did a USAF F-104 model in silver. I ended up using some process that adhered a very thin, model grade aluminum foil to the exterior surfaces of the plastic. Something like that may be a viable coating for the bay doors?
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:34:20 PM EDT
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Pretty cool and good work!
Now, for some cold water... the space shuttle program was a failure. - Way more expensive than just sending up single use or multi-use (3x) rockets - VERY limited payload capacity - More deadly than any other vehicle But, the value to the students is certainly not time wasted. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:38:51 PM EDT
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Pretty cool and good work! Now, for some cold water... the space shuttle program was a failure. - Way more expensive than just sending up single use or multi-use (3x) rockets - VERY limited payload capacity - More deadly than any other vehicle But, the value to the students is certainly not time wasted. You seem to be forgetting when it saved the world from two planet killer asteroids and a rogue Soviet Era weapons platform. 
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:41:28 PM EDT
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Hey Guns, how do those brush strokes on the inside of the bay doors look once they're dry? It's been a while but when I was a kid I did a USAF F-104 model in silver. I ended up using some process that adhered a very thin, model grade aluminum foil to the exterior surfaces of the plastic. Something like that may be a viable coating for the bay doors? It looks a lot smoother once it dries. I also had them make sure the strokes ran up and down and not long ways. I forgot to get shots of the doors finished. It's not bad. Looks like brushed stainless steel. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:01:40 PM EDT
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Pretty cool and good work! Now, for some cold water... the space shuttle program was a failure. - Way more expensive than just sending up single use or multi-use (3x) rockets - VERY limited payload capacity - More deadly than any other vehicle But, the value to the students is certainly not time wasted. I beg to differ. Four satellites were repaired in orbit, including five individual missions to repair Hubble. The scientific value of Hubble alone is immeasurable. Five satellites were recovered by the shuttle during orbital flights. And numerous missions deployed satellites which were too large for any other launch platform in existence. And these aren't counting the classified missions that were likely deploying KH intelligence assets. Let's not even get into the numerous missions assembling the ISS. None of these missions could have been performed by any other orbital vehicle. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 11:25:20 AM EDT
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are the tiles going to be number indexed?
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Posted: 12/2/2016 11:52:33 AM EDT
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are the tiles going to be number indexed? Are you trying to get Guns' students to mutiny?
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Posted: 12/2/2016 2:36:51 PM EDT
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HIGH FLIGHT
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds, --and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of --Wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air... Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace Where never lark or even eagle flew -- And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod The high untrespassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. John Gillespie Magee, Jr, RCAF 1922-1941 RIP |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 2:41:13 PM EDT
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are the tiles going to be number indexed? Are you trying to get Guns' students to mutiny? I just run around with this in my hand saying.... "Just give me a reason!!!!!" 
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Posted: 12/2/2016 3:15:46 PM EDT
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Great job Guns.
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Posted: 12/2/2016 4:03:32 PM EDT
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HIGH FLIGHT Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds, --and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of --Wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air... Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace Where never lark or even eagle flew -- And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod The high untrespassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. John Gillespie Magee, Jr, RCAF 1922-1941 RIP I read this, and had students read this aloud to classes a couple weeks ago. We are going to have the entire poem painted near the display. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 10:47:02 PM EDT
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Update 12/2
Here you can see the dried acrylic silver, with a patch of rattle can over top. We decided it looked better so outside it goes to get sprayed. 
Detail tiling started today, and it's going to need a little rework. Still figuring this out a bit. 
Airlock is looking pretty dang good. 
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Posted: 12/3/2016 1:17:08 AM EDT
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so what's next, something small like the Yorktown? or maybe the Nimitz?
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Posted: 12/3/2016 1:23:35 AM EDT
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so what's next, something small like the Yorktown? or maybe the Nimitz? 25% scale of this: |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 9:18:02 AM EDT
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so what's next, something small like the Yorktown? or maybe the Nimitz?
Way outside my circle right now.
I'm feeling claustrophobic enough right now with what's already there. Every time I think there's a glimmer of light out of the circle, students point out about 10 more details we are missing.
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Posted: 12/3/2016 11:34:26 AM EDT
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Hey Guns, how do those brush strokes on the inside of the bay doors look once they're dry? It's been a while but when I was a kid I did a USAF F-104 model in silver. I ended up using some process that adhered a very thin, model grade aluminum foil to the exterior surfaces of the plastic. Something like that may be a viable coating for the bay doors? A silver spray paint would work well in this application, as well. (obviously he'd have to get it outdoors, though.) ETA: looks like you already figured it out. turned out great! |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 11:35:08 AM EDT
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Pretty cool and good work! Now, for some cold water... the space shuttle program was a failure. - Way more expensive than just sending up single use or multi-use (3x) rockets - VERY limited payload capacity - More deadly than any other vehicle But, the value to the students is certainly not time wasted. It was also used way more than any other platform
Might as well get my kid a pet shark for our swimming pool, because pet dogs are way more deadly than pet sharks on a per bite basis. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 11:39:23 AM EDT
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25% scale of this: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=309467&d=1332401271 Hey, as long as the rigging is absolutely correct why not? |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 1:22:52 PM EDT
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Looking great Guns! anything you need?
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Posted: 12/3/2016 4:21:28 PM EDT
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Looking great Guns! anything you need? Thank you! And we seem to be pretty good right now. When we get to the part where we need permission from the Facilities Administrator for an extended outlet from the ceiling to the display, some prayers might help.
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Posted: 12/3/2016 7:59:59 PM EDT
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Pretty cool and good work! Now, for some cold water... the space shuttle program was a failure. - Way more expensive than just sending up single use or multi-use (3x) rockets - VERY limited payload capacity - More deadly than any other vehicle But, the value to the students is certainly not time wasted. Oh boy, here comes the anti shuttle trolls. How bout you take that outa here and start your own shuttle couldn't this and that thread. There you can tell us what space flight programs you have actually been a part of to gain this knowledge. I'll debate all of your post with you. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:29:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I beg to differ. Four satellites were repaired in orbit, including five individual missions to repair Hubble. The scientific value of Hubble alone is immeasurable. Five satellites were recovered by the shuttle during orbital flights. And numerous missions deployed satellites which were too large for any other launch platform in existence. And these aren't counting the classified missions that were likely deploying KH intelligence assets. Let's not even get into the numerous missions assembling the ISS. None of these missions could have been performed by any other orbital vehicle. I love the shuttle. But from a budget standpoint, it was a complete disaster. We could have trashed several Hubbles for the cost of the shuttle program. Sure, the shuttle was what we had @ the time, so we made it work. But we didn't have another orbital vehicle or another large launch platform in existence b/c we sank all our money into the shuttle. So to say that it carried loads larger than any other vehicle @ the time is disingenuous - we could've built disposable rockets to carry those loads for far less cost. And the ISS could have again, been built for far less w/ disposable launch vehicles. guns' spies are here to learn. So call me a troll if you like. But be honest about the cost of the shuttle program that ate NASA's budget and was far more expensive than just throwing away launch vehicles. And in the end, what did we learn? We're returning to disposable launch vehicles for all future manned missions, and we built heavy lift capability equivalent to the shuttle - and it cost less. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:45:37 AM EDT
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Thank you! And we seem to be pretty good right now. When we get to the part where we need permission from the Facilities Administrator for an extended outlet from the ceiling to the display, some prayers might help.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 11:28:04 AM EDT
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I love the shuttle. But from a budget standpoint, it was a complete disaster. We could have trashed several Hubbles for the cost of the shuttle program. Sure, the shuttle was what we had @ the time, so we made it work. But we didn't have another orbital vehicle or another large launch platform in existence b/c we sank all our money into the shuttle. So to say that it carried loads larger than any other vehicle @ the time is disingenuous - we could've built disposable rockets to carry those loads for far less cost. And the ISS could have again, been built for far less w/ disposable launch vehicles. guns' spies are here to learn. So call me a troll if you like. But be honest about the cost of the shuttle program that ate NASA's budget and was far more expensive than just throwing away launch vehicles. And in the end, what did we learn? We're returning to disposable launch vehicles for all future manned missions, and we built heavy lift capability equivalent to the shuttle - and it cost less. |
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