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Posted: 8/13/2016 7:45:36 PM EDT
Got my m249 para bumpsaw in from the gunsmith, can't wait to test it out

It's not 100% done, still got a m249 rubber buttpad incoming, along with a m249 rear sight. Also have to break out the file and dremel and hand fit the Tapco SAW pistol grip to the bumpstock. All in all though, I think it came out fanfuckintastic

Also ordered a MWG 90rd snail drum to round out my drum collection (3x D60's)
I plan on Cerekoting it green to mimic a real m249 para even more

I'll update with gratuitous range video next week.








I'm going to have to open up the gas port a bit, it was not working too well with the steel case, but ran wolf gold and then some IMI 193 so so nice


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Got the SAW grip installed and got my pelican case

dremeling is fun yo.



grip comparison. had to remove about 1/8in material and mill out the pocket and re-drill the screw hole.



Pelican case. Starting cutouts today


9/17/16
Case done...

Pelican case foam done. will adjust as I add rear sight and butt pad.









used this...

Proxxon 37080 hot wire cutter


It was a very shallow learning curve, as long as you take your time, works great.
Now I gotta finish up my other 1650 case I got off Amazon for $75
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 7:47:37 PM EDT
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No one cares about your pictures. Where's the video?
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Sorta want
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 7:49:49 PM EDT
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Consider this a tag for the video.

Edit: Had me fooled at first. I thought it was the actual civilian 249.

I still watch the vid though
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This
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Has the ATF contacted you about your unlicensed gunsmithing with a dremel?

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Link Posted: 8/13/2016 7:53:17 PM EDT
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NO belt feed no care.
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and this.


Also nice potpurri pine cones.
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Uh, look closer.

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LOL

Looks like you caught it before I could quote.
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Looks like you caught it before I could quote.



lol, yeah, he was pretty fast on that!  

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Thank god
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 7:56:56 PM EDT
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Price?
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WAT?
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I think he's talking about the SAW drums. I've seen them in both green and black.
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I think he's talking about the SAW drums. I've seen them in both green and black.
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I think he's talking about the SAW drums. I've seen them in both green and black.



Oh yeah, you are right
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Mine was black, or bare metal that used to be black
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I think he's talking about the SAW drums. I've seen them in both green and black.



Oh yeah, you are right


Oh, cerakoting the mag, gotchya
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I dont get it either.
SAW means Squad AUTOMATIC Weapon
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PARTS LIST PLEASE!!! SHOPPERS NOW IN AISLE 87!!!!!
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and this.


Also nice potpurri pine cones.
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and this.


Also nice potpurri pine cones.


Pinecones are the roomies. Living with 2 girls has it's pluses and minuses. And yes leg humpers.... video will likely include THEM shooting it. (both own guns)
Taking them to the range next Sunday. I'll likely try to hit the range on my own on Wed to get it running reliably so Sunday goes smoothly.
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 8:06:47 PM EDT
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neat.

is that a direct impingment gas system?

does it have a quick change barrel system (or are those studs for the custom handguard retention) ????

i take it the mono-block gas regulator under the barrel is faux, as is the gas tube, it does give it a very cool aesthetic and provides for the bypod ring.

very cool.

tagged for video

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I dont get it either.

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Yet bumpfiring guns are shooting at rates equal to and higher than "real" automatic weapons.





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Right, hence the nickname "BumpSAW." It's not a machine gun, but it's as close as you are getting without going NFA.
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A SAW can accuratly hit targets at 600m. Can you do that bump firing?
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A SAW can accuratly hit targets at 600m. Can you do that bump firing?


Yes.
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Yet bumpfiring guns are shooting at rates equal to and higher than "real" automatic weapons.




A SAW can accuratly hit targets at 600m. Can you do that bump firing?


Yes.

Well OK then. Carry on.
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 8:19:59 PM EDT
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Impacts didn't show up on my camera as well as I would have liked. Still making a beaten zone in the same way our SAWs ever did.

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Where can I get a rear sight?
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My son would go ape over that.
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Point target accuracy at @250 yards. Verified via audible steel impacts.

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Bumpsaw is legit as fuck, I say this having gotten to shoot a lot of belt feds professionally. The only fundamental difference is the bump stocks have a short learning curve but it's a drop in the bucket when it comes to the full topic of fundamentals of machine gunnery.  

 
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 8:50:02 PM EDT
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Want!
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Parts list:

$210 - Bear Creek Arsenal side charging upper
$55 - m249 flash hider
$30 - m249 rubber buttpad
$70 - m249 rear sight
$40 - m249 top cover
$50 - custom build front trunion thingy based off a airsoft m249 frame
$30 - m249 front sight
$30 - m249 gas block
$55 - m249 hand guard
$50 - m249 bipod
$160 - DTI HBAR chrome lined barrel
$65 - V7 Weapons Systems inconel gas tube
$120 - SLR adjustable gas block
$350 - Fostech DefendAR bumpfire stock
$50 - Tapco lower receiver
$10 - Tapco SAW grip
$100 - MWG 90rd snail mag
$90 - Magpul d60 (x3)

$250 for the fabrication labor shipped all the way from Alaska

So about 2k total with plenty of mags

Priceless - Help from AlaskanCajun and his buddy Lu

Think that's it

Now I need to find a pelican case that will fit it and the drums nicely for easy range transportation. and to look cool as fuck.
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and @ Bjohnson & Loco, controlled bumpfiring has been shown by others here on arf to be accurate as a real belt fed.

Plus I saved a few grand off a real one to buy ammo
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 9:27:51 PM EDT
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That is awesome
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"The bump, it feels like cumming." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 9:29:34 PM EDT
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What's with the mag release?
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 9:31:06 PM EDT
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Awesome. I'm gonna troll some liberals with those videos.
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 9:32:11 PM EDT
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I've never looked into it...does anyone make a quick change barrel system for ARs?  

That's about the only thing I can think of that would really step up bump saws in the "close enough to a mg" list.
Link Posted: 8/13/2016 9:38:09 PM EDT
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Tag scribe
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Is there a reason for the handguard being so huge, or is it just for the M249 aesthetic?
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Yes. Although many of the variants I am aware of are meant for caliber conversions although I don't see why you can't just buy a spare barrel in the caliber you wish to quick change.

Ares has quick change barrels on their non belt fed version the Ares-15 MCR which is more affordable than their belt fed option.


Edit:  just re-watched the Dolos Quick Change video Review MAC did and while that system will let you use your existing barrel, it may require "alterations" to allow for a quick change with a smoking hot barrel.  



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I had an idea of how to do it, but it would involve making a rail that connected to the lower and let the barrel free float. The use one of those copper custom setups.

I decided not to bother.

Link Posted: 8/13/2016 9:50:30 PM EDT
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OP; that is the ugliest thing I have ever seen in my life.   You should dispose of that immediately.   PM inbound with possible disposal options.  





Bad jokes aside, great work!   Love the creativity you used to produce something that not only looks great but ought to function beautifully.  

I bet that will draw some attention when you shoot it in public.  
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It arrived in that priority mail package?  Damn, your gunsmith has some balls!!!





Link Posted: 8/13/2016 10:02:51 PM EDT
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That is officially cool as fuck in my book, OP.

Very, very nice.
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