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Posted: 7/30/2016 12:55:06 AM EDT
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Well, no shit.
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Posted: 7/30/2016 12:57:06 AM EDT
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Welcome to.... uh..... Operation Desert Storm? Somalia? 20 years ago? |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:02:16 AM EDT
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What I read was, "our M4 battle rifle is now heavier."
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:03:50 AM EDT
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thank God, it's select fire. No more of this "weapons of war" bullshit, right?
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:07:26 AM EDT
[#5]
Meh, I use the M249 anyways
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:11:10 AM EDT
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So somehow this "new" rifle will help soldiers more quickly identify targets?
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:11:24 AM EDT
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets.
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:17:31 AM EDT
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Can't be ARFCOM tells me a pencil barrel is what you need to operate if you have a heavy barrel you can't operate
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:17:52 AM EDT
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So somehow this "new" rifle will help soldiers more quickly identify targets? That's what happens when people that have no idea what they are talking about write articles. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:18:31 AM EDT
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Can't be ARFCOM tells me a pencil barrel is what you need to operate if you have a heavy barrel you can't operate Heavy barrels suck on a semi-auto. 
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:22:36 AM EDT
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What I read was, "our M4 battle rifle is now heavier." If they're going to do heavier, they should just go all the way and get 901s. It's like an M4, but with a whole lot more "fuck you" inside in exchange for +2 pounds. 
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:23:28 AM EDT
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets. The phrase "knock down"... it's sort of the firearms world's version of Truck Nutz. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:41:44 AM EDT
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets.
Totally rocks and has great rate of fire? yeah right. Long clunky slow to load low capacity rifle. Hope you got extra extractors, because you're going to need them. SVTs were notorious for breaking-- which is why they went back to the nagant, and got rid of the SVT for the SKS. SVT is a sub standard rifle, but a great historical piece. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:48:33 AM EDT
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Ha! I upgraded my m-4 way before that. Swapped out the three round burst for full auto. Rarely used it on auto but I liked having it available. Before I turned it back in I out the three round burst parts back in. No harm no fowl
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:49:45 AM EDT
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Just now?
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:55:09 AM EDT
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Ha! I upgraded my m-4 way before that. Swapped out the three round burst for full auto. Rarely used it on auto but I liked having it available. Before I turned it back in I out the three round burst parts back in. No harm no fowl Sure you did. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:56:30 AM EDT
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Ha! I upgraded my m-4 way before that. Swapped out the three round burst for full auto. Rarely used it on auto but I liked having it available. Before I turned it back in I out the three round burst parts back in. No harm no fowl What kind of fowl? 
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:59:10 AM EDT
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets. You cannot be serious. 
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:00:00 AM EDT
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Welcome to.... uh..... Operation Desert Storm? Somalia? 20 years ago? First time I ever saw an M4A1 was 2006. This is an article about the latest changes to it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:04:52 AM EDT
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All that to come up with an ambi selector & heavy bbl?
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:19:27 AM EDT
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Ha! I upgraded my m-4 way before that. Swapped out the three round burst for full auto. Rarely used it on auto but I liked having it available. Before I turned it back in I out the three round burst parts back in. No harm no fowl Well I would hope you weren't going around shooting fowl with Uncle Sam's hardware. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:19:43 AM EDT
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Sure you did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ha! I upgraded my m-4 way before that. Swapped out the three round burst for full auto. Rarely used it on auto but I liked having it available. Before I turned it back in I out the three round burst parts back in. No harm no fowl Sure you did. Yup ya caught me guess this means the groupies won't follow me |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:22:34 AM EDT
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I've had an M4A1 for the past 3 years...
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:23:57 AM EDT
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What gets me is that they won't consider changing calibers. It's like running your car in NASCAR with a 4 cylinder engine, they change everything but the engine and things don't improve. Then they sit around and wonder why all the money they spent can't win them any races.
Step up to 6.8 for the love of pete, then they'll have some performance improvements. "It costs too much to change calibers!" For all the money they've spent on that stupid gun already, they could've changed calibers three times already and still not spent the money they've spent putting lipstick on a pig. Just do it already...........that's it, I'm writing Trump a letter, fix this shit show. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:26:59 AM EDT
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Stopped at .556 cal.
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:29:07 AM EDT
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Lotsa plastic. I'll stick with my pistol.
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:43:51 AM EDT
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As opposed to the "non-lethal" M-4 that's been used by the Army
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:53:31 AM EDT
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That article was full of butt fuckery......
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:53:47 AM EDT
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What gets me is that they won't consider changing calibers. It's like running your car in NASCAR with a 4 cylinder engine, they change everything but the engine and things don't improve. Then they sit around and wonder why all the money they spent can't win them any races. Step up to 6.8 for the love of pete, then they'll have some performance improvements. "It costs too much to change calibers!" For all the money they've spent on that stupid gun already, they could've changed calibers three times already and still not spent the money they've spent putting lipstick on a pig. Just do it already...........that's it, I'm writing Trump a letter, fix this shit show. Going away from 5.56 affects multiple platforms and dozens of countries. It's not exactly a decision to be taken lightly, nor is there any real reason to believe it necessary. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 2:57:28 AM EDT
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--meanwhile, in the 1980s! |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 3:39:55 AM EDT
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You would think that the Army could find at least one "gun guy" to put on a weapon PIP or acquisition board.
It's like your Toyota manual: multibillion $ corporation, doesn't have/can't find at least one guy that actually speaks English? |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 3:45:58 AM EDT
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Heavy barrels suck on a semi-auto. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't be ARFCOM tells me a pencil barrel is what you need to operate if you have a heavy barrel you can't operate Heavy barrels suck on a semi-auto. Does anyone else find it ironic that soldiers (allegedly) melted their barrels with excessive rates of fire when their rifles were equipped with 3-round burst FCGs...so the solution was to make them FA? Also ironic is that the gov profile barrel lasts about 500 rounds under sustained FA fire while the SOCOM barrel almost last twice as long: 922 rounds IIRC. So the heavier barrel isn't really a viable solution for excessive rates of fire. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 4:16:49 AM EDT
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Does anyone else find it ironic that soldiers (allegedly) melted their barrels with excessive rates of fire when their rifles were equipped with 3-round burst FCGs...so the solution was to make them FA? Also ironic is that the gov profile barrel lasts about 500 rounds under sustained FA fire while the SOCOM barrel almost last twice as long: 922 rounds IIRC. So the heavier barrel isn't really a viable solution for excessive rates of fire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't be ARFCOM tells me a pencil barrel is what you need to operate if you have a heavy barrel you can't operate Heavy barrels suck on a semi-auto. Does anyone else find it ironic that soldiers (allegedly) melted their barrels with excessive rates of fire when their rifles were equipped with 3-round burst FCGs...so the solution was to make them FA? Also ironic is that the gov profile barrel lasts about 500 rounds under sustained FA fire while the SOCOM barrel almost last twice as long: 922 rounds IIRC. So the heavier barrel isn't really a viable solution for excessive rates of fire. Uhhh, the A1 has always been full auto, and this program essentially makes the thicker barrel (like the SOCOM one) mainstream. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 4:30:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What gets me is that they won't consider changing calibers. It's like running your car in NASCAR with a 4 cylinder engine, they change everything but the engine and things don't improve. Then they sit around and wonder why all the money they spent can't win them any races. Step up to 6.8 for the love of pete, then they'll have some performance improvements. "It costs too much to change calibers!" For all the money they've spent on that stupid gun already, they could've changed calibers three times already and still not spent the money they've spent putting lipstick on a pig. Just do it already...........that's it, I'm writing Trump a letter, fix this shit show. If given the choice between 6.8 and the new M855A1, I would chose M855A1. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 9:25:14 AM EDT
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Going away from 5.56 affects multiple platforms and dozens of countries. It's not exactly a decision to be taken lightly, nor is there any real reason to believe it necessary. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What gets me is that they won't consider changing calibers. It's like running your car in NASCAR with a 4 cylinder engine, they change everything but the engine and things don't improve. Then they sit around and wonder why all the money they spent can't win them any races. Step up to 6.8 for the love of pete, then they'll have some performance improvements. "It costs too much to change calibers!" For all the money they've spent on that stupid gun already, they could've changed calibers three times already and still not spent the money they've spent putting lipstick on a pig. Just do it already...........that's it, I'm writing Trump a letter, fix this shit show. Going away from 5.56 affects multiple platforms and dozens of countries. It's not exactly a decision to be taken lightly, nor is there any real reason to believe it necessary. This. A caliber change isn't necessary. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 9:30:55 AM EDT
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Uhhh, the A1 has always been full auto, and this program essentially makes the thicker barrel (like the SOCOM one) mainstream. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't be ARFCOM tells me a pencil barrel is what you need to operate if you have a heavy barrel you can't operate Heavy barrels suck on a semi-auto. Does anyone else find it ironic that soldiers (allegedly) melted their barrels with excessive rates of fire when their rifles were equipped with 3-round burst FCGs...so the solution was to make them FA? Also ironic is that the gov profile barrel lasts about 500 rounds under sustained FA fire while the SOCOM barrel almost last twice as long: 922 rounds IIRC. So the heavier barrel isn't really a viable solution for excessive rates of fire. Uhhh, the A1 has always been full auto, and this program essentially makes the thicker barrel (like the SOCOM one) mainstream. The reason they went to the heavier barrel was because, reportedly, in a few firefights over here (Afghanistan) M4 (3-shot burst) barrels (gov profile) overheated and failed. The "solution" (FA [even easier to overheat] and a heavier barrel [which only marginally improves barrel life under sustained fire) do not make sense. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 9:36:00 AM EDT
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Already being used at Infantry OSUT
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Posted: 7/30/2016 9:36:40 AM EDT
[#38]
I never knew that a bullet's contour could make it more lethal.
And it's nice to see them finally adapting a flash suppressor.
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Posted: 7/30/2016 9:38:25 AM EDT
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets. It's the worst rifle ever. Almost impossible to field strip especially in cold weather. It has too many small parts that are easy to lose in the field. I hated mine so much that I had to get rid of it |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:11:16 AM EDT
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It's the worst rifle ever. Almost impossible to field strip especially in cold weather. It has too many small parts that are easy to lose in the field. I hated mine so much that I had to get rid of it Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets. It's the worst rifle ever. Almost impossible to field strip especially in cold weather. It has too many small parts that are easy to lose in the field. I hated mine so much that I had to get rid of it For another Garand? |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:13:22 AM EDT
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Does anyone else find it ironic that soldiers (allegedly) melted their barrels with excessive rates of fire when their rifles were equipped with 3-round burst FCGs...so the solution was to make them FA? Also ironic is that the gov profile barrel lasts about 500 rounds under sustained FA fire while the SOCOM barrel almost last twice as long: 922 rounds IIRC. So the heavier barrel isn't really a viable solution for excessive rates of fire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't be ARFCOM tells me a pencil barrel is what you need to operate if you have a heavy barrel you can't operate Heavy barrels suck on a semi-auto. Does anyone else find it ironic that soldiers (allegedly) melted their barrels with excessive rates of fire when their rifles were equipped with 3-round burst FCGs...so the solution was to make them FA? Also ironic is that the gov profile barrel lasts about 500 rounds under sustained FA fire while the SOCOM barrel almost last twice as long: 922 rounds IIRC. So the heavier barrel isn't really a viable solution for excessive rates of fire. Anyone else wonder if the "under the hood" upgrades are somewhat along the lines of what Green Mountain Defense Industries detailed in their RPIK upgrade kit? These were the guys that were mentioned in the Washington Times article alleging M4 failures under sustained rates of fire during battles overseas. Wayback Machine snapshot of their website detailing the RPIK upgrade kit: Green Mountain Defense DGI RPIK Kits Their website is down, and I don't know if it's because they've gone under or they're too busy fulfilling overseas contracts. They have a contract with the Italians according to their no-recent-updates FB page. This FB video (link left cold) allegedly documents over 1,300 rounds of sustained full auto fire. https://www.facebook.com/gmdillc/videos/vb.367196160073608/10151622920600738/?type=2&theater Not a fanboy but I am trying to ascertain if they're legit or not. So far, I'm unimpressed, but this may be due to teething problems with a somewhat new upstart company. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:17:12 AM EDT
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets. It's the worst rifle ever. Almost impossible to field strip especially in cold weather. It has too many small parts that are easy to lose in the field. I hated mine so much that I had to get rid of it For another Garand? I sold it for $300 and used the cash for a Garand operating rod |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:23:19 AM EDT
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets. It's the worst rifle ever. Almost impossible to field strip especially in cold weather. It has too many small parts that are easy to lose in the field. I hated mine so much that I had to get rid of it For another Garand? I sold it for $300 and used the cash for a Garand operating rod Garands be expensive, yo. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:24:38 AM EDT
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Why is this news? The rifle was designed in the 1950s.
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:26:12 AM EDT
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Going away from 5.56 affects multiple platforms and dozens of countries. It's not exactly a decision to be taken lightly, nor is there any real reason to believe it necessary. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What gets me is that they won't consider changing calibers. It's like running your car in NASCAR with a 4 cylinder engine, they change everything but the engine and things don't improve. Then they sit around and wonder why all the money they spent can't win them any races. Step up to 6.8 for the love of pete, then they'll have some performance improvements. "It costs too much to change calibers!" For all the money they've spent on that stupid gun already, they could've changed calibers three times already and still not spent the money they've spent putting lipstick on a pig. Just do it already...........that's it, I'm writing Trump a letter, fix this shit show. Going away from 5.56 affects multiple platforms and dozens of countries. It's not exactly a decision to be taken lightly, nor is there any real reason to believe it necessary. 855A1 has removed the need to change calibers for the foreseeable future. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:27:44 AM EDT
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The phrase "knock down"... it's sort of the firearms world's version of Truck Nutz. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets. The phrase "knock down"... it's sort of the firearms world's version of Truck Nutz. Lol! KNOCKDOWN!!! |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:28:51 AM EDT
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Ha! I upgraded my m-4 way before that. Swapped out the three round burst for full auto. Rarely used it on auto but I liked having it available. Before I turned it back in I out the three round burst parts back in. No harm no fowl Hmmm... And how exactly did you "swap" these parts? |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:30:54 AM EDT
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You cannot be serious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I had to grab one rifle, I'd leave the AR, SKS, M1A and AK in the rack and grab SVT-40. It's a tad heavy, but totally rocks both short and long range for accuracy, rate and knock-down. Light armor is toast. Blue helmets make excellent targets. You cannot be serious. I think that's a comment on the title of the article? |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:33:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Welcome to.... uh..... Operation Desert Storm? Somalia? 20 years ago? You're missing the point. The headline is a cryptic message to Americans; This is a weapon of war and anything that looks like it has no place in our society. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:52:00 AM EDT
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Did they change the feeding to account for the longer bullet in the new lead-free m855a1?
Hopefully not... |
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