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Posted: 7/29/2016 12:58:36 PM EDT

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Why do we keep talking about this shit? Cruz did his thing. It is over, done, gone.

Some people saw it as a backstab. Others saw it as Cruz standing up for beliefs. 44 million threads on this isn't going to change anyone's mind.

In a couple of years, Cruz will be up for re-election for Senate. I'll sure that we will talk about it again then. Give it a rest already.

Posted: 7/29/2016 1:06:40 PM EDT

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What is proves is Cruz didn't backstab Trump and if Trump had brains he could have used it to his great advantage.

It also shows that if Trump makes decisions like this if and when he is president, we are in bad shape.

He will be petty, and make irrational choices.

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Another "approved" Cruz thread wherein the folks who like to bitch about Cruz threads they don't approve of, and Trump threads in general, can come to strut their stuff.

Or.....its a thread that counters all of those who said Cruz committed political suicide by backstabbing Trump and that only a delusional Cruzbot would have no problem with it

What is proves is Cruz didn't backstab Trump and if Trump had brains he could have used it to his great advantage.

It also shows that if Trump makes decisions like this if and when he is president, we are in bad shape.

He will be petty, and make irrational choices.

Cruz is a fuck...he should have taken a chapter out of the Reagan play book.

Posted: 7/29/2016 1:09:18 PM EDT

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Why do we keep talking about this shit? Cruz did his thing. It is over, done, gone.

Some people saw it as a backstab. Others saw it as Cruz standing up for beliefs. 44 million threads on this isn't going to change anyone's mind.

In a couple of years, Cruz will be up for re-election for Senate. I'll sure that we will talk about it again then. Give it a rest already.

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There are two different reasons that i can see why the attacks on Cruz continue:

1. People are afraid of a Hillary presidency and think that any criticism of Trump is due to some allegiance to Cruz. They think if you dont agree with Trump, then it must be because of some infatuation with Cruz. This has been shown not to be the case but they perpetuate this myth that if your criticize Trump, on this board, then you are helping Hillary.The only basis in their mind for his is that he is being criticized for not being conservative enough.

2. In some cases, like America-First, he is a true believer in Trump's platform and the statements he has made on a number of issues that are progressive. Given what we know about him, it is reasonable to assume that he doesnt want Cruz in the Senate because he would likely filibuster or otherwise block Trump's progressive initiatives.

Posted: 7/29/2016 1:10:16 PM EDT

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Cruz is a fuck...he should have taken a chapter out of the Reagan play book.

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Another "approved" Cruz thread wherein the folks who like to bitch about Cruz threads they don't approve of, and Trump threads in general, can come to strut their stuff.

Or.....its a thread that counters all of those who said Cruz committed political suicide by backstabbing Trump and that only a delusional Cruzbot would have no problem with it

What is proves is Cruz didn't backstab Trump and if Trump had brains he could have used it to his great advantage.

It also shows that if Trump makes decisions like this if and when he is president, we are in bad shape.

He will be petty, and make irrational choices.

Cruz is a fuck...he should have taken a chapter out of the Reagan play book.

Actually, he did.

Reagan lost to Ford in 1976. He spoke at the convention and did NOT endorse Ford

Anything else you want to add?

Posted: 7/29/2016 1:10:58 PM EDT

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Didn't watch video. Just popped in here to mention that Frank Luntz has his picture in the encyclopedia next to scum.

Posted: 7/29/2016 1:33:11 PM EDT

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That could be said of all pollsters.

But this is a focus group who listens to a speech, and contemporaneously rates the speaker's statements as "approve or disapprove."

Luntz can't alter what the speaker says.

Then he asks "How many of you liked Ted Cruz's speech?"

Then he asks "How many of you, after hearing Cruz's speech are more likely to vote for Donald Trump?"

The video you posted is about a totally different method.

Fast forward to 5:00 or so. Less than five minutes covers it.

Posted: 7/29/2016 1:46:18 PM EDT

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Why do we keep talking about this shit? Cruz did his thing. It is over, done, gone.

Some people saw it as a backstab. Others saw it as Cruz standing up for beliefs. 44 million threads on this isn't going to change anyone's mind.

In a couple of years, Cruz will be up for re-election for Senate. I'll sure that we will talk about it again then. Give it a rest already.

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It's a repetitive propaganda technique, usually done by leftists. Hammer an issue over and over and over until it's in the DNA of the target audience. Destroy Cruz, AND prime the audience for the upcoming attacks on the republican representatives and 24 senators up for reelection this year. While Cruz isn't up for reelection, attacking him keeps the momentum going until they can transition to attacking individual republicans later on in the season.
This is all part of the "We need to teach republicans a lesson" that the leftist faction of General Discussion has been promising for years.

Posted: 7/29/2016 1:50:39 PM EDT

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Still waiting for your resume to compare it to Cruz's regarding Heller, by the way.

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Are you, like two time losing presidential candidate Ambassador Stevenson, prepared to wait until hell freezes over?

Posted: 7/29/2016 1:52:57 PM EDT

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Are you, like two time losing presidential candidate Ambassador Stevenson, prepared to wait until hell freezes over?

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Still waiting for your resume to compare it to Cruz's regarding Heller, by the way.

Are you, like two time losing presidential candidate Ambassador Stevenson, prepared to wait until hell freezes over?

It would be pretty embarrassing for you, we get that.

Posted: 7/29/2016 1:55:26 PM EDT

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There are two different reasons that i can see why the attacks on Cruz continue:

1. People are afraid of a Hillary presidency and think that any criticism of Trump is due to some allegiance to Cruz. They think if you dont agree with Trump, then it must be because of some infatuation with Cruz. This has been shown not to be the case but they perpetuate this myth that if your criticize Trump, on this board, then you are helping Hillary.The only basis in their mind for his is that he is being criticized for not being conservative enough.

2. In some cases, like America-First, he is a true believer in Trump's platform and the statements he has made on a number of issues that are progressive. Given what we know about him, it is reasonable to assume that he doesnt want Cruz in the Senate because he would likely filibuster or otherwise block Trump's progressive initiatives.

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Why do we keep talking about this shit? Cruz did his thing. It is over, done, gone.

Some people saw it as a backstab. Others saw it as Cruz standing up for beliefs. 44 million threads on this isn't going to change anyone's mind.

In a couple of years, Cruz will be up for re-election for Senate. I'll sure that we will talk about it again then. Give it a rest already.

There are two different reasons that i can see why the attacks on Cruz continue:

1. People are afraid of a Hillary presidency and think that any criticism of Trump is due to some allegiance to Cruz. They think if you dont agree with Trump, then it must be because of some infatuation with Cruz. This has been shown not to be the case but they perpetuate this myth that if your criticize Trump, on this board, then you are helping Hillary.The only basis in their mind for his is that he is being criticized for not being conservative enough.

2. In some cases, like America-First, he is a true believer in Trump's platform and the statements he has made on a number of issues that are progressive. Given what we know about him, it is reasonable to assume that he doesnt want Cruz in the Senate because he would likely filibuster or otherwise block Trump's progressive initiatives.

To your first point, the Trump supporters must find anything but Trump to blame for people not supporting him. It started with them claiming anyone not supporting Trump was establishment. Now it has shifted to its Cruz fault. This to shall pass and it will be someone else's fault by election time. There will never be assessment of Trump's qualities or lack thereof. He will never be responsible for alienating conservative voters and refusing to seek their support.

I understand current Trump supporters desire to see Trump win over Hillary, I voted against Obama the last two cycles. The people I detest more than dog shit are the ones who brought us Trump as the R nominee. Between them and the candidate himself, it's just a bridge to far.

Posted: 7/29/2016 2:05:02 PM EDT

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It would be pretty embarrassing for you, we get that.

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Still waiting for your resume to compare it to Cruz's regarding Heller, by the way.

Are you, like two time losing presidential candidate Ambassador Stevenson, prepared to wait until hell freezes over?

It would be pretty embarrassing for you, we get that.

You are like Ambassador Stevenson.

Posted: 7/29/2016 2:28:47 PM EDT

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You are like Ambassador Stevenson.

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Still waiting for your resume to compare it to Cruz's regarding Heller, by the way.

Are you, like two time losing presidential candidate Ambassador Stevenson, prepared to wait until hell freezes over?

It would be pretty embarrassing for you, we get that.

You are like Ambassador Stevenson.

Like I said before, with retorts like that, $25/hr.

Posted: 7/29/2016 2:44:14 PM EDT

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Anything to avoid discussing you hero's record, right?

Throwing the heart of the Second Amendment away.

Voting for Corker-Cardin.

Writing an article with Paul Ryan supporting "fast track" trade authority.

And you people actually believe that he is a conservative dedicated to upholding the Constitution.

Posted: 7/29/2016 2:50:43 PM EDT

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Cruz is a fuck...he should have taken a chapter out of the Reagan play book.

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Another "approved" Cruz thread wherein the folks who like to bitch about Cruz threads they don't approve of, and Trump threads in general, can come to strut their stuff.

Or.....its a thread that counters all of those who said Cruz committed political suicide by backstabbing Trump and that only a delusional Cruzbot would have no problem with it

What is proves is Cruz didn't backstab Trump and if Trump had brains he could have used it to his great advantage.

It also shows that if Trump makes decisions like this if and when he is president, we are in bad shape.

He will be petty, and make irrational choices.

Cruz is a fuck...he should have taken a chapter out of the Reagan play book.

The falsehood promulgated by the Cruzites here has been that what Lyin Ted did was exactly the same thing Ronald Reagan did.

It's a bald faced lie.

Posted: 7/29/2016 2:57:01 PM EDT

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The falsehood promulgated by the Cruzites here has been that what Lyin Ted did was exactly the same thing Ronald Reagan did.

It's a bald faced lie.

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Another "approved" Cruz thread wherein the folks who like to bitch about Cruz threads they don't approve of, and Trump threads in general, can come to strut their stuff.

Or.....its a thread that counters all of those who said Cruz committed political suicide by backstabbing Trump and that only a delusional Cruzbot would have no problem with it

What is proves is Cruz didn't backstab Trump and if Trump had brains he could have used it to his great advantage.

It also shows that if Trump makes decisions like this if and when he is president, we are in bad shape.

He will be petty, and make irrational choices.

Cruz is a fuck...he should have taken a chapter out of the Reagan play book.

The falsehood promulgated by the Cruzites here has been that what Lyin Ted did was exactly the same thing Ronald Reagan did.

It's a bald faced lie.

How did Jimmy like Reagan's speech?

Posted: 7/29/2016 3:00:55 PM EDT

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Note the cult logic.

Cruz is hopeless. Unelectable.

Why?

"As he has proved by not getting the nomination."

Now think back to 1976.

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why does everyone insist that if you think Cruz is bad then you MUST be a Trump fan?

apparently nobody is allowed to evaluate the merits of the candidates without adoring one of them.

Since I'm not a moron, I dislike both of them. Trump is stronger than Cruz. Cruz is absolutely hopeless, the guy is unelectable. As he has proved by not getting the nomination.

I think that our RINO junk heap of a party is going to hand a victory to the weakest candidate the democrats have ever run.

The democrats aren't winning the country, the republican party is handing it to them.

Hillary is a repulsive vicious scumbag that virtually everyone hates and it looks like she's got a good chance of being president. What does that say about the republican party?

Note the cult logic.

Cruz is hopeless. Unelectable.

Why?

"As he has proved by not getting the nomination."

Now think back to 1976.

Cruz is no Ronald Reagan, not even close.

Posted: 7/29/2016 3:09:55 PM EDT

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Anything to avoid discussing you hero's record, right?

Throwing the heart of the Second Amendment away.

Voting for Corker-Cardin.

Writing an article with Paul Ryan supporting "fast track" trade authority.

And you people actually believe that he is a conservative dedicated to upholding the Constitution.

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Like I said before, with retorts like that, $25/hr.

Anything to avoid discussing you hero's record, right?

Throwing the heart of the Second Amendment away.

Voting for Corker-Cardin.

Writing an article with Paul Ryan supporting "fast track" trade authority.

And you people actually believe that he is a conservative dedicated to upholding the Constitution.

You are attempting deflection.

Your response and my subsequent replies pertained to your criticism of Cruz regarding Heller. Period.

You in effect say Cruz did a lousy job.

I respond, "The anonymous internet lawyer wants to criticize Cruz regarding Heller. Show us your resume."

Of course you are embarrassed to submit your resume compared to Cruz's.

That is why I asked for it.

Already knew what your response would be.

Posted: 7/29/2016 3:15:38 PM EDT

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Jimmy probably didn't understand it any better than America-Carter does.

Not that it was difficult to understand...

And these cultists are actually trying to get people to believe that Reagan would have explicitly endorsed Ford if Ford had attacked Nancy Reagan... when Reagan DIDN'T explicitly endorse Ford without the insults .... they are absurd.

Guess if Ford HAD personally insulted Nancy they think Reagan would have endorsed him.

Posted: 7/29/2016 3:27:35 PM EDT

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Jimmy probably didn't understand it any better than America-Carter does.

Not that it was difficult to understand...

And these cultists are actually trying to get people to believe that Reagan would have explicitly endorsed Ford if Ford had attacked Nancy Reagan... when Reagan DIDN'T explicitly endorse Ford without the insults .... they are absurd.

Guess if Ford HAD personally insulted Nancy they think Reagan would have endorsed him.

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How did Jimmy like Reagan's speech?

Jimmy probably didn't understand it any better than America-Carter does.

Not that it was difficult to understand...

And these cultists are actually trying to get people to believe that Reagan would have explicitly endorsed Ford if Ford had attacked Nancy Reagan... when Reagan DIDN'T explicitly endorse Ford without the insults .... they are absurd.

Guess if Ford HAD personally insulted Nancy they think Reagan would have endorsed him.

In order to support the lie that Cruz did exactly as Reagan did you have created an alternate universe.

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:02:18 PM EDT

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In order to support the lie that Cruz did exactly as Reagan did you have created an alternate universe.

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How did Jimmy like Reagan's speech?

Jimmy probably didn't understand it any better than America-Carter does.

Not that it was difficult to understand...

And these cultists are actually trying to get people to believe that Reagan would have explicitly endorsed Ford if Ford had attacked Nancy Reagan... when Reagan DIDN'T explicitly endorse Ford without the insults .... they are absurd.

Guess if Ford HAD personally insulted Nancy they think Reagan would have endorsed him.

In order to support the lie that Cruz did exactly as Reagan did you have created an alternate universe.

I suppose a former Carter person doesnt spend much time on conservative websites so....

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/no-reagan-did-not-endorse-ford-heres-why

Reagan never, ever uttered such a phrase when it came to Gerald Ford in 1976. Not by a long shot. Not at the Kansas City convention and not afterwards in the fall. Nor did he ever campaign for Ford. These are matters of undeniable fact, despite the attempt of some Trump boosters to rewrite history by suggesting that Reagan really did support Ford, and Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas (A, 97%) was alone in not endorsing Donald Trump this time around. History is too precious and important to be rewritten by a few uninformed Trump revisionists at CNN, just to satisfy a new story line.

When a bloodied but unbowed Reagan reluctantly took the stage in Kansas City in August of 1976, he was bitter. Bitter and angry. His very close aide, Lyn Nofziger said of his longtime companion, “To my surprise, Reagan, who is seldom bitter, went to California a bitter man, convinced that Ford had stolen the nomination from him.” The Republican primary battle of 1976 was over, and as far as the nation was concerned, so was Ronald Reagan’s political career. Defeated and fuming, the man who bested and despised Ronald Reagan, asked him to the podium, but it was to show the world a unified Republican Party and not as any expression of kindness on Ford’s part towards Reagan.

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:05:20 PM EDT

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In order to support the lie that Cruz did exactly as Reagan did you have created an alternate universe.

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How did Jimmy like Reagan's speech?

Jimmy probably didn't understand it any better than America-Carter does.

Not that it was difficult to understand...

And these cultists are actually trying to get people to believe that Reagan would have explicitly endorsed Ford if Ford had attacked Nancy Reagan... when Reagan DIDN'T explicitly endorse Ford without the insults .... they are absurd.

Guess if Ford HAD personally insulted Nancy they think Reagan would have endorsed him.

In order to support the lie that Cruz did exactly as Reagan did you have created an alternate universe.

Who is saying that Cruz did exactly what Reagan did?

But then, you are Carter-First.

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:09:57 PM EDT

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Your analogy is inapt.
To make it apt you need to posit that you married a woman and pledged to stay with her for life.

Then you discovered (probably by reading a two thousand year old book) that the man down the street is cheating with a woman to whom you are not married. Then you must claim that because that man cheated with a woman other than your wife, you are no longer bound to honor your commitment to your wife.

Logic in #NeverNeverLand is different.

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So if you married a woman, and pledged to stay with her for the rest of your lives, and she immediately begins cheating on you, sleeping with every man she meets, and tells you that she intends to continue doing so...

Your analogy is inapt.
To make it apt you need to posit that you married a woman and pledged to stay with her for life.

Then you discovered (probably by reading a two thousand year old book) that the man down the street is cheating with a woman to whom you are not married. Then you must claim that because that man cheated with a woman other than your wife, you are no longer bound to honor your commitment to your wife.

Logic in #NeverNeverLand is different.

What in the world are you babbling about, now?

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:19:15 PM EDT

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Anything to avoid discussing you hero's record, right?

Throwing the heart of the Second Amendment away.

Voting for Corker-Cardin.

Writing an article with Paul Ryan supporting "fast track" trade authority.

And you people actually believe that he is a conservative dedicated to upholding the Constitution.

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Like I said before, with retorts like that, $25/hr.

Anything to avoid discussing you hero's record, right?

Throwing the heart of the Second Amendment away.

Voting for Corker-Cardin.

Writing an article with Paul Ryan supporting "fast track" trade authority.

And you people actually believe that he is a conservative dedicated to upholding the Constitution.

lol... So the point you're trying to make is that Cruz is NOT a Conservative, AND...he's anti-2nd Amendment.

Golly, you ARE smart!

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:23:02 PM EDT

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The falsehood promulgated by the Cruzites here has been that what Lyin Ted did was exactly the same thing Ronald Reagan did.

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Yeah, but in 1980, YOU supported Carter OVER Reagan.

Which really makes this that much funnier.

When given the choice of Reagan or Carter, YOU chose Carter.

When given the choice of Cruz or Trump, YOU chose Trump.

We all know that Carter is a liberal, elitist gun-grabber.

And YOU told us that Trump is a liberal, elitist gun-grabber.

I think it's unfair to give you that "180" nickname; you're actually very consistent...

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:41:28 PM EDT

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Carter-First is getting a big government liberal whether it's Trump or Clinton.

He must just like to whine.

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:46:10 PM EDT

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Yeah, but in 1980, YOU supported Carter OVER Reagan.

Which really makes this that much funnier.

When given the choice of Reagan or Carter, YOU chose Carter.

When given the choice of Cruz or Trump, YOU chose Trump.

We all know that Carter is a liberal, elitist gun-grabber.

And YOU told us that Trump is a liberal, elitist gun-grabber.

I think it's unfair to give you that "180" nickname; you're actually very consistent...

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The falsehood promulgated by the Cruzites here has been that what Lyin Ted did was exactly the same thing Ronald Reagan did.

It's a bald faced lie.

Yeah, but in 1980, YOU supported Carter OVER Reagan.

Which really makes this that much funnier.

When given the choice of Reagan or Carter, YOU chose Carter.

When given the choice of Cruz or Trump, YOU chose Trump.

We all know that Carter is a liberal, elitist gun-grabber.

And YOU told us that Trump is a liberal, elitist gun-grabber.

I think it's unfair to give you that "180" nickname; you're actually very consistent...

Well, there was that time in 2011, that he seemed disenchanted with Trump.

Maybe he's America-360

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:51:44 PM EDT

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The falsehood promulgated by the Cruzites here has been that what Lyin Ted did was exactly the same thing Ronald Reagan did.

It's a bald faced lie.

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Another "approved" Cruz thread wherein the folks who like to bitch about Cruz threads they don't approve of, and Trump threads in general, can come to strut their stuff.

Or.....its a thread that counters all of those who said Cruz committed political suicide by backstabbing Trump and that only a delusional Cruzbot would have no problem with it

What is proves is Cruz didn't backstab Trump and if Trump had brains he could have used it to his great advantage.

It also shows that if Trump makes decisions like this if and when he is president, we are in bad shape.

He will be petty, and make irrational choices.

Cruz is a fuck...he should have taken a chapter out of the Reagan play book.

The falsehood promulgated by the Cruzites here has been that what Lyin Ted did was exactly the same thing Ronald Reagan did.

It's a bald faced lie.

are you finally giving us your firsthand experience to Carters loss?

What a joke.

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:54:00 PM EDT

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Losers whine and it's Cruz who lost, and as previously explained in this thread he lost way beyond merely losing the Republican Primaries and the party's nomination.

Continue your victory dance though.

"Lunz Focus Group after Cruz's speech....Wow, has this been swept under the carpet?"

Posted: 7/29/2016 4:55:50 PM EDT

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are you finally giving us your firsthand experience to Carters loss?

What a joke.

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Or.....its a thread that counters all of those who said Cruz committed political suicide by backstabbing Trump and that only a delusional Cruzbot would have no problem with it

What is proves is Cruz didn't backstab Trump and if Trump had brains he could have used it to his great advantage.

It also shows that if Trump makes decisions like this if and when he is president, we are in bad shape.

He will be petty, and make irrational choices.

Cruz is a fuck...he should have taken a chapter out of the Reagan play book.

The falsehood promulgated by the Cruzites here has been that what Lyin Ted did was exactly the same thing Ronald Reagan did.

It's a bald faced lie.

are you finally giving us your firsthand experience to Carters loss?

What a joke.

How could A-F know? He was getting ready for Carter's nomination around the same time.

Posted: 7/29/2016 5:00:04 PM EDT

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Well, there was that time in 2011, that he seemed disenchanted with Trump.

Maybe he's America-360

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The falsehood promulgated by the Cruzites here has been that what Lyin Ted did was exactly the same thing Ronald Reagan did.

It's a bald faced lie.

Yeah, but in 1980, YOU supported Carter OVER Reagan.

Which really makes this that much funnier.

When given the choice of Reagan or Carter, YOU chose Carter.

When given the choice of Cruz or Trump, YOU chose Trump.

We all know that Carter is a liberal, elitist gun-grabber.

And YOU told us that Trump is a liberal, elitist gun-grabber.

I think it's unfair to give you that "180" nickname; you're actually very consistent...

Well, there was that time in 2011, that he seemed disenchanted with Trump.

Maybe he's America-360

We're all misinterpreting his 2011 posts about Trump; it was praise; he had found another "Carter" to follow.

Posted: 7/29/2016 5:00:56 PM EDT

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Losers whine and it's Cruz who lost, and as previously explained in this thread he lost way beyond merely losing the Republican Primaries and the party's nomination.

Continue your victory dance though.

"Lunz Focus Group after Cruz's speech....Wow, has this been swept under the carpet?"

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Carter-First is getting a big government liberal whether it's Trump or Clinton.

He must just like to whine.

Losers whine and it's Cruz who lost, and as previously explained in this thread he lost way beyond merely losing the Republican Primaries and the party's nomination.

Continue your victory dance though.

"Lunz Focus Group after Cruz's speech....Wow, has this been swept under the carpet?"

So Cruz is done politically because Carter-First says so,

Rrright.

Thanks for giving Carter all that advice in 1980. Sure helped the country out!

Posted: 7/29/2016 5:11:33 PM EDT

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So Cruz is done politically because Carter-First says so,

Rrright.

Thanks for giving Carter all that advice in 1980. Sure helped the country out!

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Carter-First is getting a big government liberal whether it's Trump or Clinton.

He must just like to whine.

Losers whine and it's Cruz who lost, and as previously explained in this thread he lost way beyond merely losing the Republican Primaries and the party's nomination.

Continue your victory dance though.

"Lunz Focus Group after Cruz's speech....Wow, has this been swept under the carpet?"

So Cruz is done politically because Carter-First says so,

Rrright.

Thanks for giving Carter all that advice in 1980. Sure helped the country out!

Cruz is done because he fucked his closest and most important associates over and nobody who is anybody who actually counts trusts him anymore.

Six or seven self deceptive random and thoroughly miserable, mean spirited tough guys on the internet don't qualify as "anybody who actually counts" unless they can replace the political apparatus and financial people that have been Cruz's political patrons until he burned himself with his wonderful convention speech.

Posted: 7/29/2016 5:14:59 PM EDT

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Cruz is done because he fucked his closest and most important associates over and nobody who is anybody who actually counts trusts him anymore.

Six or seven self deceptive random and thoroughly miserable, mean spirited tough guys on the internet don't qualify as "anybody who actually counts" unless they can replace the political apparatus and financial people that have been Cruz's political patrons until he burned himself with his wonderful convention speech.

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Carter-First is getting a big government liberal whether it's Trump or Clinton.

He must just like to whine.

Losers whine and it's Cruz who lost, and as previously explained in this thread he lost way beyond merely losing the Republican Primaries and the party's nomination.

Continue your victory dance though.

"Lunz Focus Group after Cruz's speech....Wow, has this been swept under the carpet?"

So Cruz is done politically because Carter-First says so,

Rrright.

Thanks for giving Carter all that advice in 1980. Sure helped the country out!

Cruz is done because he fucked his closest and most important associates over and nobody who is anybody who actually counts trusts him anymore.

Six or seven self deceptive random and thoroughly miserable, mean spirited tough guys on the internet don't qualify as "anybody who actually counts" unless they can replace the political apparatus and financial people that have been Cruz's political patrons until he burned himself with his wonderful convention speech.

I dont know about you guys, but i wouldnt get too worried about the political acumen of a Carter insider

Posted: 7/29/2016 5:21:36 PM EDT

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I dont know about you guys, but i wouldnt get too worried about the political acumen of a Carter insider

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Carter-First is getting a big government liberal whether it's Trump or Clinton.

He must just like to whine.

Losers whine and it's Cruz who lost, and as previously explained in this thread he lost way beyond merely losing the Republican Primaries and the party's nomination.

Continue your victory dance though.

"Lunz Focus Group after Cruz's speech....Wow, has this been swept under the carpet?"

So Cruz is done politically because Carter-First says so,

Rrright.

Thanks for giving Carter all that advice in 1980. Sure helped the country out!

Cruz is done because he fucked his closest and most important associates over and nobody who is anybody who actually counts trusts him anymore.

Six or seven self deceptive random and thoroughly miserable, mean spirited tough guys on the internet don't qualify as "anybody who actually counts" unless they can replace the political apparatus and financial people that have been Cruz's political patrons until he burned himself with his wonderful convention speech.

I dont know about you guys, but i wouldnt get too worried about the political acumen of a Carter insider

http://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1980_large.png

LOL....Carter in landslide

Posted: 7/29/2016 5:22:44 PM EDT

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Cruz is done because he fucked his closest and most important associates over and nobody who is anybody who actually counts trusts him anymore.

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Carter-First is getting a big government liberal whether it's Trump or Clinton.

He must just like to whine.

Losers whine and it's Cruz who lost, and as previously explained in this thread he lost way beyond merely losing the Republican Primaries and the party's nomination.

Continue your victory dance though.

"Lunz Focus Group after Cruz's speech....Wow, has this been swept under the carpet?"

So Cruz is done politically because Carter-First says so,

Rrright.

Thanks for giving Carter all that advice in 1980. Sure helped the country out!

Cruz is done because he fucked his closest and most important associates over and nobody who is anybody who actually counts trusts him anymore.

Six or seven self deceptive random and thoroughly miserable, mean spirited tough guys on the internet don't qualify as "anybody who actually counts" unless they can replace the political apparatus and financial people that have been Cruz's political patrons until he burned himself with his wonderful convention speech.

Spends primaries criticizing Cruz for being beholden to donors.

Now criticizes Cruz for not doing his donors' bidding.

Whines that anyone who noticed is "mean-spirited."

Posted: 7/29/2016 5:25:43 PM EDT

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Losers whine and it's Cruz who lost, and as previously explained in this thread he lost way beyond merely losing the Republican Primaries and the party's nomination.

Continue your victory dance though.

"Lunz Focus Group after Cruz's speech....Wow, has this been swept under the carpet?"

So Cruz is done politically because Carter-First says so,

Rrright.

Thanks for giving Carter all that advice in 1980. Sure helped the country out!

Cruz is done because he fucked his closest and most important associates over and nobody who is anybody who actually counts trusts him anymore.

Six or seven self deceptive random and thoroughly miserable, mean spirited tough guys on the internet don't qualify as "anybody who actually counts" unless they can replace the political apparatus and financial people that have been Cruz's political patrons until he burned himself with his wonderful convention speech.

Spends primaries criticizing Cruz for being beholden to donors.

Now criticizes Cruz for not doing his donors' bidding.

Whines that anyone who noticed is "mean-spirited."

And in another post...

Spends primaries talking about Trump being the only one that can take down the GOPe

Trump didnt want Cruz to give the speech but the mean old GOPe made him do it

Posted: 7/29/2016 5:40:34 PM EDT

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lol... So the point you're trying to make is that Cruz is NOT a Conservative, AND...he's anti-2nd Amendment.

Golly, you ARE smart!

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Like I said before, with retorts like that, $25/hr.

Anything to avoid discussing you hero's record, right?

Throwing the heart of the Second Amendment away.

Voting for Corker-Cardin.

Writing an article with Paul Ryan supporting "fast track" trade authority.

And you people actually believe that he is a conservative dedicated to upholding the Constitution.

lol... So the point you're trying to make is that Cruz is NOT a Conservative, AND...he's anti-2nd Amendment.

Golly, you ARE smart!

Well, he did almost have one half-way intelligent remark way back when....

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Which is one of the stupidest mistakes a presidential candidate has made in my lifetime.

First, no sensible politician intentionally insults any block of voters, much less one he believes constitutes almost half of the electorate.
Second he was flat wrong. There are substantial numbers of people who receive government benefits and who vote for Republican candidates, despite what WMR and GD believe.

Of course, once WMR was finished alienating them, some simply joined the other 6 million missing voters and stayed home.

Of course, insulting conservatives must be okay with him now.

Posted: 7/29/2016 10:55:59 PM EDT

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First of all, you ought to understand what logic is before you employ the term.

You refuse to acknowledge simple facts. Totally illogical.

Trump reneged on his word on March 29 of this year when he said that HE would not abide by the pledge.

Any criticism of Cruz by a Trump Puppet for "breaking a pledge" is thereafter nothing but transparent hypocrisy. They both did the same thing - but in the cultists' eye only Cruz did something wrong.

Trump invited Cruz to speak, KNOWING he was not going to endorse .... All of Trump's big puppets - CrispyCreme, Schmuckaby, Newt....they all KNEW he wasn't going to endorse... all the talking heads on Fox/TrumpNews knew he wasn't going to endorse....

But they all acted so surprised...

They knew gullible people would fall for it....

Like you did.

And the point of this thread was to show that undecideds listened to Cruz's speech.... and loved it... and were more inclined to vote for Trump as a result.

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]You logic is circular and its foundation is that someone is allowed to go back on their word when events around them upset them and causes hurt feelz. In your mind this is acceptable. Anyone that doesnt subscribe to your idea of honor and integrity is a bot/cultist... Anyone that would disagree with you HAS to be a bot/cultist. You dont take into account their words or actions. If their position is contrary to yours its license to call them names, regardless of how absurd it is. Got it.

First of all, you ought to understand what logic is before you employ the term.

You refuse to acknowledge simple facts. Totally illogical.

Trump reneged on his word on March 29 of this year when he said that HE would not abide by the pledge.

Any criticism of Cruz by a Trump Puppet for "breaking a pledge" is thereafter nothing but transparent hypocrisy. They both did the same thing - but in the cultists' eye only Cruz did something wrong.

Trump invited Cruz to speak, KNOWING he was not going to endorse .... All of Trump's big puppets - CrispyCreme, Schmuckaby, Newt....they all KNEW he wasn't going to endorse... all the talking heads on Fox/TrumpNews knew he wasn't going to endorse....

But they all acted so surprised...

They knew gullible people would fall for it....

Like you did.

And the point of this thread was to show that undecideds listened to Cruz's speech.... and loved it... and were more inclined to vote for Trump as a result.

But no, you aren't going to let facts hinder you.

Really cant argue with that stunning display of ignorance, a complete lack of reading comprehension, and the blind loyalty of a CruzBot whose idol was absolutely justified in breaking his word.

Yep. You convinced me. (if your intent was to sell me that the idiots that gave us Trump as the candidate had peers on Cruz's side)

Let me put this in a way only a rabid conservative could understand. If the Democrats had nominated ANYONE other than Hillary Clinton Id be voting Democrat for the first time in 32 years in ANY election.

Posted: 7/30/2016 12:30:56 AM EDT

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Really cant argue with that stunning display of ignorance, a complete lack of reading comprehension, and the blind loyalty of a CruzBot whose idol was absolutely justified in breaking his word.

Yep. You convinced me. (if your intent was to sell me that the idiots that gave us Trump as the candidate had peers on Cruz's side)

Let me put this in a way only a rabid conservative could understand. If the Democrats had nominated ANYONE other than Hillary Clinton Id be voting Democrat for the first time in 32 years in ANY election.

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]You logic is circular and its foundation is that someone is allowed to go back on their word when events around them upset them and causes hurt feelz. In your mind this is acceptable. Anyone that doesnt subscribe to your idea of honor and integrity is a bot/cultist... Anyone that would disagree with you HAS to be a bot/cultist. You dont take into account their words or actions. If their position is contrary to yours its license to call them names, regardless of how absurd it is. Got it.

First of all, you ought to understand what logic is before you employ the term.

You refuse to acknowledge simple facts. Totally illogical.

Trump reneged on his word on March 29 of this year when he said that HE would not abide by the pledge.

Any criticism of Cruz by a Trump Puppet for "breaking a pledge" is thereafter nothing but transparent hypocrisy. They both did the same thing - but in the cultists' eye only Cruz did something wrong.

Trump invited Cruz to speak, KNOWING he was not going to endorse .... All of Trump's big puppets - CrispyCreme, Schmuckaby, Newt....they all KNEW he wasn't going to endorse... all the talking heads on Fox/TrumpNews knew he wasn't going to endorse....

But they all acted so surprised...

They knew gullible people would fall for it....

Like you did.

And the point of this thread was to show that undecideds listened to Cruz's speech.... and loved it... and were more inclined to vote for Trump as a result.

But no, you aren't going to let facts hinder you.

Really cant argue with that stunning display of ignorance, a complete lack of reading comprehension, and the blind loyalty of a CruzBot whose idol was absolutely justified in breaking his word.

Yep. You convinced me. (if your intent was to sell me that the idiots that gave us Trump as the candidate had peers on Cruz's side)

Let me put this in a way only a rabid conservative could understand. If the Democrats had nominated ANYONE other than Hillary Clinton Id be voting Democrat for the first time in 32 years in ANY election.

Go have an Almond Joy...

'Cause, sometimes you feel like a nut...

Posted: 7/30/2016 1:25:29 AM EDT

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You said you never attacked Cruz. I proved you did. Your incoherent text doesn't change that.

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You said you never attacked Cruz. I proved you did. Your incoherent text doesn't change that.

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You said you never attacked Cruz. I proved you did. Your incoherent text doesn't change that.

You said I attacked Cruz in various threads and you repeatedly referenced ne acting cultist on behalf of Trump.

I said so me the post history of me attacking Ted and show me the post history of me in cultist mode for Trump. You're a liar trying to wiggle out from under the weight of your lies by pretending this isn't about your false accusations of my history of posted.

You are not going to convince anyone who can read that you have proven that I have a history here of hating Ted Cruz or loving Trump..

My post history proves that you are liar.

Keep trying to dismiss the fact that you can't prove your claims without trying to redefine as something they were not.

I suppose that you may have searched my post history here and found your assumptions/ accusations to be incorrect, yet seeing how you have previously established that you don't have a clue bout honor or integrity, you are stuck with trying to bullshit your way out of using more dishonesty.

Interesting that you have energy to spend attacking everything I say right to attempting to make something out of my use of the word 'them' yet you have not produced a history of my posts here that back up your claims or..... tell me who you are voting for.

That kind of says it all.

You may now dance some more.

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You are nothing more than a boring troll who hates Cruz.

You attacked Cruz. And then you denied it.

Now it's a proven fact. I quoted you

You evidently didn't think I was willing to spend the little bit of time finding evidence.

You are evidently having a hard time living with the fact that you have been shown to be what you are.

Don't attack someone, and then say you didn't do it.

End of story.

If you want to do further damage to whatever reputation you have, continue to deny the obvious.

It is interesting that you criticize Cruz for not keeping his word... and then you went back on your word when you said you were done with this thread - but then you came back and posted after you said you were done ... daring me to find evidence that you attacked Cruz....

And here you are with egg on your face.

Posted: 7/30/2016 3:23:24 AM EDT

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You are nothing more than a boring troll who hates Cruz.

You attacked Cruz. And then you denied it.

Now it's a proven fact. I quoted you

You evidently didn't think I was willing to spend the little bit of time finding evidence.

You are evidently having a hard time living with the fact that you have been shown to be what you are.

Don't attack someone, and then say you didn't do it.

End of story.

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You are nothing more than a boring troll who hates Cruz.

You attacked Cruz. And then you denied it.

Now it's a proven fact. I quoted you

You evidently didn't think I was willing to spend the little bit of time finding evidence.

You are evidently having a hard time living with the fact that you have been shown to be what you are.

Don't attack someone, and then say you didn't do it.

End of story.

Who are you voting for in the presidential election?

Posted: 7/30/2016 3:30:57 AM EDT

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Who are you voting for in the presidential election?

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You are nothing more than a boring troll who hates Cruz.

You attacked Cruz. And then you denied it.

Now it's a proven fact. I quoted you

You evidently didn't think I was willing to spend the little bit of time finding evidence.

You are evidently having a hard time living with the fact that you have been shown to be what you are.

Don't attack someone, and then say you didn't do it.

End of story.

Who are you voting for in the presidential election?

I'm not voting FOR anyone. Trump will receive my vote unless he continues to do dumb stunts like flip flopping on minimum wage.

Posted: 7/30/2016 11:27:21 AM EDT

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I'm not voting FOR anyone. Trump will receive my vote unless he continues to do dumb stunts like flip flopping on minimum wage.

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You are nothing more than a boring troll who hates Cruz.

You attacked Cruz. And then you denied it.

Now it's a proven fact. I quoted you

You evidently didn't think I was willing to spend the little bit of time finding evidence.

You are evidently having a hard time living with the fact that you have been shown to be what you are.

Don't attack someone, and then say you didn't do it.

End of story.

Who are you voting for in the presidential election?

I'm not voting FOR anyone. Trump will receive my vote unless he continues to do dumb stunts like flip flopping on minimum wage.

Well, don't freak out when he holds up another carrot for the Bernie/Millennials vote like dealing with college tuition or anything else along those lines. Hang in there, politics can get rough.

Posted: 7/30/2016 11:32:12 AM EDT

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Well, don't freak out when he holds up another carrot for the Bernie/Millennials vote like dealing with college tuition or anything else along those lines. Hang in there, politics can get rough.

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You are nothing more than a boring troll who hates Cruz.

You attacked Cruz. And then you denied it.

Now it's a proven fact. I quoted you

You evidently didn't think I was willing to spend the little bit of time finding evidence.

You are evidently having a hard time living with the fact that you have been shown to be what you are.

Don't attack someone, and then say you didn't do it.

End of story.

Who are you voting for in the presidential election?

I'm not voting FOR anyone. Trump will receive my vote unless he continues to do dumb stunts like flip flopping on minimum wage.

Well, don't freak out when he holds up another carrot for the Bernie/Millennials vote like dealing with college tuition or anything else along those lines. Hang in there, politics can get rough.

How do you think he would deal with college tuition?

Posted: 7/30/2016 1:11:10 PM EDT

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How do you think he would deal with college tuition?

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You are nothing more than a boring troll who hates Cruz.

You attacked Cruz. And then you denied it.

Now it's a proven fact. I quoted you

You evidently didn't think I was willing to spend the little bit of time finding evidence.

You are evidently having a hard time living with the fact that you have been shown to be what you are.

Don't attack someone, and then say you didn't do it.

End of story.

I'm not voting FOR anyone. Trump will receive my vote unless he continues to do dumb stunts like flip flopping on minimum wage.

Well, don't freak out when he holds up another carrot for the Bernie/Millennials vote like dealing with college tuition or anything else along those lines. Hang in there, politics can get rough.

How do you think he would deal with college tuition?

Seize the assets of known conservatives and inkies.

Are you on board the Trump Express now?

Posted: 7/30/2016 1:13:20 PM EDT

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You are like Ambassador Stevenson.

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Still waiting for your resume to compare it to Cruz's regarding Heller, by the way.

Are you, like two time losing presidential candidate Ambassador Stevenson, prepared to wait until hell freezes over?

It would be pretty embarrassing for you, we get that.

You are like Ambassador Stevenson.

Stevenson was actually cerebral.

Posted: 7/30/2016 1:42:10 PM EDT

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the Republican party went out of it's way to accommodate Cruz, fixing caucuses, allowing his delegation to try to create a contested convention by voting on a conscience clause at the convention, etc... giving him 25 minutes to speak during the prime time slot.. When the Ron Paul delegation tried to change the rules in 2012, Romeny people called the police and delegates were removed from the convention.

The Democrat primary was rigged from the start, bernie knew it and acted like a judas goat.

Granted Cruz is better than Sanders in every way.

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What's funny is that people say Bernie sold out but that Cruz is a backstabber.

Exactly.

the Republican party went out of it's way to accommodate Cruz, fixing caucuses, allowing his delegation to try to create a contested convention by voting on a conscience clause at the convention, etc... giving him 25 minutes to speak during the prime time slot.. When the Ron Paul delegation tried to change the rules in 2012, Romeny people called the police and delegates were removed from the convention.

The Democrat primary was rigged from the start, bernie knew it and acted like a judas goat.

Granted Cruz is better than Sanders in every way.

I think Bernie was Hillary's stalking horse all along. It became problematic for him once it became clear there was a sizable demand for a alternative to Hillary. I suspect Fauxahontas is secretly kicking herself for not running.

One thing that struck me as ironic is how similar Cruz's strategy of hijacking State conventions for the purpose of installing his supporters as "Trump Delegates" with the end goal of forcing a second ballot so the false flag delegates could vote their true allegiance was to the Ron Paul 2012 strategy. Sadly for them, the rules the GOPe put in effect to prevent that from happening again screwed them royally once they tried to help Cruz execute it himself as a last-ditch counter-revolutionary move.

Cruz should have either given a pro forma endorsement with 2020 or 2024 in mind, or told Trump to go to hell when he made the offer in the first place and perhaps published an open letter explaining why. Either would have been far better than going on stage and repeating the "Vote your Conscience" mantra of the putschists who had been trying all week in vain to carry out Cruz's campaign strategy even though it was clearly a lost battle. What he did just walked into the trap Trump, who knows exactly how to push his buttons, had set for him. If Cruz ever had a chance to be President, he has blown it bigtime.

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I think Bernie was Hillary's stalking horse all along. It became problematic for him once it became clear there was a sizable demand for a alternative to Hillary. I suspect Fauxahontas is secretly kicking herself for not running.

One thing that struck me as ironic is how similar Cruz's strategy of hijacking State conventions for the purpose of installing his supporters as "Trump Delegates" with the end goal of forcing a second ballot so the false flag delegates could vote their true allegiance was to the Ron Paul 2012 strategy. Sadly for them, the rules the GOPe put in effect to prevent that from happening again screwed them royally once they tried to help Cruz execute it himself as a last-ditch counter-revolutionary move.

Cruz should have either given a pro forma endorsement with 2020 or 2024 in mind, or told Trump to go to hell when he made the offer in the first place and perhaps published an open letter explaining why. Either would have been far better than going on stage and repeating the "Vote your Conscience" mantra of the putschists who had been trying all week in vain to carry out Cruz's campaign strategy even though it was clearly a lost battle. What he did just walked into the trap Trump, who knows exactly how to push his buttons, had set for him. If Cruz ever had a chance to be President, he has blown it bigtime.

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What's funny is that people say Bernie sold out but that Cruz is a backstabber.

Exactly.

the Republican party went out of it's way to accommodate Cruz, fixing caucuses, allowing his delegation to try to create a contested convention by voting on a conscience clause at the convention, etc... giving him 25 minutes to speak during the prime time slot.. When the Ron Paul delegation tried to change the rules in 2012, Romeny people called the police and delegates were removed from the convention.

The Democrat primary was rigged from the start, bernie knew it and acted like a judas goat.

Granted Cruz is better than Sanders in every way.

I think Bernie was Hillary's stalking horse all along. It became problematic for him once it became clear there was a sizable demand for a alternative to Hillary. I suspect Fauxahontas is secretly kicking herself for not running.

One thing that struck me as ironic is how similar Cruz's strategy of hijacking State conventions for the purpose of installing his supporters as "Trump Delegates" with the end goal of forcing a second ballot so the false flag delegates could vote their true allegiance was to the Ron Paul 2012 strategy. Sadly for them, the rules the GOPe put in effect to prevent that from happening again screwed them royally once they tried to help Cruz execute it himself as a last-ditch counter-revolutionary move.

Cruz should have either given a pro forma endorsement with 2020 or 2024 in mind, or told Trump to go to hell when he made the offer in the first place and perhaps published an open letter explaining why. Either would have been far better than going on stage and repeating the "Vote your Conscience" mantra of the putschists who had been trying all week in vain to carry out Cruz's campaign strategy even though it was clearly a lost battle. What he did just walked into the trap Trump, who knows exactly how to push his buttons, had set for him. If Cruz ever had a chance to be President, he has blown it bigtime.

Nonsense. It was the REPUBLICAN Convention, not the TRUMP Convention.

Cruz gave a great speech, and it wasn't a "trap" set by Trump. Trump needs to unite the Party, and HE decided not to.

When Trump loses, HE is the one who will fade into obscurity -or worse; nothing more sad that a spray tanned old man who clings to lost youth via hair plugs, nips and tucks. Meanwhile, Cruz will remain in the Senate.