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Posted: 7/26/2016 7:23:06 AM EDT
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Correct, the famous photos of the BPP at the Capitol was to protect the Mulford Act that was already making its way to Reagan.
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Posted: 7/26/2016 7:35:36 AM EDT
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When the people of California start acting to put extreme fear in their elected leaders, wake me up.
Until then, the libtards will continue to enact even more unconstitutional laws with no fear of retaliation. Pretty soon they will have the police doing door to door confiscation with search warrants. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 7:48:17 AM EDT
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"Oh, they will never take the guns we use".........Typical FUDD.
California is done.........put a fork in it. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 8:17:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the people of California start acting to put extreme fear in their elected leaders, wake me up. Until then, the libtards will continue to enact even more unconstitutional laws with no fear of retaliation. Pretty soon they will have the police doing door to door confiscation with search warrants. They've been doing it.  |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 11:11:13 AM EDT
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California is a lost cause. it might be a great place to live, if your a illegal, sucking up free benefits, and the snowflake poster child everyone is supposed to love and sacrifice for, free everything. ... but if your a taxpayer, and especially if you enjoy freedom, your fucked. your nothing but a cow, being milked to fund their bullshit. and they pretty much hate you. Sadly, so goes California, so goes the US. There's a very scary UK -> CA -> USA time lag for a lot of things, between 5 and 15 years, ,depending on "The Perceived Problem". Those unhappy with CA move to the rest of the states, then realize that there's not as much "stuff", like bike trails, pro-solar, or whatever, and it trickles all over until the Federal level decrees it as well. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 11:19:23 AM EDT
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FPC believes that AB 857 may very well be the spark to ignite the flame of a political revolution, and that California gun owners will have to carefully weigh the risks of compliance before submitting to an openly tyrannical government that puts them and their Constitutionally-protected property in the crosshairs of a growing police state. 
All 8% of the population of CA that gives a shit about gun rights is going to spark a political revolution? http://ivn.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/in-california-citizens-control-the-gerrymandering-and-it-works-70761-e1371430131424.jpg?65229c There are 39 million people in CA, largest State population in the US. If it were a country, it would have one of the world's largest economies, at $2.48 trillion, larger than France's. There are a ton of conservatives in CA, they just don't count when it comes time to vote at the State and Federal level. They will soon. http://geology.com/articles/images/san-andreas-fault-map.jpg Damn, I'm gonna hate to lose SpaceX. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 11:20:56 AM EDT
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Reagan supported the 1994 AWB, as did Bush 41. Reagan was deep in Alzheimer's then. The correct statement is Nancy supported it at the behest of her friend Daryl Gates and pushed a senile RWR into it. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 11:21:39 AM EDT
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"call someplace "paradise", kiss it goodbye." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was born and mostly raised in Calif. in the 50's and 60's. It used to be a great place to live and to do as you damn well pleased. As a teenager I use to carry my 22 across the handle bars of my bike as I rode through what was once rural Orange County. Never a word was said, nor was I ever stopped and questions. My Father and Grandfather used to take us quail hunting every year out in Ramona in San Diego County. Ate many a breakfast at a little diner in Ramona where there were plenty of pistols open carried as fellow hunters sat at the counter having their morning coffee. I moved from Calif. in the mid 1970's when it became obvious that liberals had taken over the politics of the state. How Reagan got elected I still don't know. Anyway, it was turned into such a progressive shithole that for years I only visited because my widowed Mother still had a home in Huntington Beach right across from the Ocean. Now she is almost 90, and we've had to move her up to Utah so we can help take care of her. None of my family extended, or otherwise lives in Calif. any more. Hell will freeze over before I ever go there again. Fuck Calif. and all that voted for that crazy liberal/progressive horseshit. I remember a quote from someone on this board to the effect: "Only the liberal left could take a paradise like California and turn it into one big soul crushing gulag." Calif. is deep blue, and dead to me. "call someplace "paradise", kiss it goodbye." The irony being the ones who wrote that line being partially responsible for the fucking. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 11:41:49 AM EDT
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Fuck that guy.
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Posted: 7/26/2016 11:50:28 AM EDT
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California (L.A. Withstanding) is a very pretty state. Damned shame it's been wrecked by socialism. well maybe what's left after the earthquake it will be worth going to see |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 11:57:36 AM EDT
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http://ivn.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/in-california-citizens-control-the-gerrymandering-and-it-works-70761-e1371430131424.jpg?65229c There are 39 million people in CA, largest State population in the US. If it were a country, it would have one of the world's largest economies, at $2.48 trillion, larger than France's. There are a ton of conservatives in CA, they just don't count when it comes time to vote at the State and Federal level. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FPC believes that AB 857 may very well be the spark to ignite the flame of a political revolution, and that California gun owners will have to carefully weigh the risks of compliance before submitting to an openly tyrannical government that puts them and their Constitutionally-protected property in the crosshairs of a growing police state.
All 8% of the population of CA that gives a shit about gun rights is going to spark a political revolution? http://ivn.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/in-california-citizens-control-the-gerrymandering-and-it-works-70761-e1371430131424.jpg?65229c There are 39 million people in CA, largest State population in the US. If it were a country, it would have one of the world's largest economies, at $2.48 trillion, larger than France's. There are a ton of conservatives in CA, they just don't count when it comes time to vote at the State and Federal level. And conservatives by demographic are mostly older people. They won't win in the ballot box and their representation is cast aside. Two choices. The young, willing, and able make a move by force or make a move for another state. The state is lost if the only option is the high road, plain and simple. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 11:58:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC, Reagan banned "Open Carry" b/c the Black Panthers were walking around armed, stirring people up. I guess The State could have waited for shootings to happen, and pick up the pieces (and the bodies) later.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: FPC believes that AB 857 may very well be the spark to ignite the flame of a political revolution, and that California gun owners will have to carefully weigh the risks of compliance before submitting to an openly tyrannical government that puts them and their Constitutionally-protected property in the crosshairs of a growing police state. All 8% of the population of CA that gives a shit about gun rights is going to spark a political revolution? http://ivn.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/in-california-citizens-control-the-gerrymandering-and-it-works-70761-e1371430131424.jpg?65229c There are 39 million people in CA, largest State population in the US. If it were a country, it would have one of the world's largest economies, at $2.48 trillion, larger than France's. There are a ton of conservatives in CA, they just don't count when it comes time to vote at the State and Federal level. Furthermore, Reagan started the downfall with banning open carry and the 15 day wait. The culture of California has been one of restrictive big government. This is a culture war and California lost. IIRC, Reagan banned "Open Carry" b/c the Black Panthers were walking around armed, stirring people up. I guess The State could have waited for shootings to happen, and pick up the pieces (and the bodies) later..  Why you hate freedom, bro? |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sadly, so goes California, so goes the US. There's a very scary UK -> CA -> USA time lag for a lot of things, between 5 and 15 years, ,depending on "The Perceived Problem". Those unhappy with CA move to the rest of the states, then realize that there's not as much "stuff", like bike trails, pro-solar, or whatever, and it trickles all over until the Federal level decrees it as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: California is a lost cause. it might be a great place to live, if your a illegal, sucking up free benefits, and the snowflake poster child everyone is supposed to love and sacrifice for, free everything. ... but if your a taxpayer, and especially if you enjoy freedom, your fucked. your nothing but a cow, being milked to fund their bullshit. and they pretty much hate you. Sadly, so goes California, so goes the US. There's a very scary UK -> CA -> USA time lag for a lot of things, between 5 and 15 years, ,depending on "The Perceived Problem". Those unhappy with CA move to the rest of the states, then realize that there's not as much "stuff", like bike trails, pro-solar, or whatever, and it trickles all over until the Federal level decrees it as well. The rest of America has not been going like California. Other states have passed constitutional carry laws, gotten rid of their vehicle inspection programs, passed laws banning government confiscation of firearms, and pretty much have done the opposite of California. The only places that are like California are the usual suspects. NY, MA, CT, MD, NJ, and DC. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:04:20 PM EDT
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Did I make it in before
"GET OUT OF THERE" and "DON'T COME HERE!" ? |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:04:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reagan was deep in Alzheimer's then. The correct statement is Nancy supported it at the behest of her friend Daryl Gates and pushed a senile RWR into it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Reagan supported the 1994 AWB, as did Bush 41. Reagan was deep in Alzheimer's then. The correct statement is Nancy supported it at the behest of her friend Daryl Gates and pushed a senile RWR into it. Reagan was not the Arfcom God of the 2nd Amendment or Small Government. He wasn't a Godless Commie Democrat either. He was a middle of the road Fudd that had a Fudd level view on guns and was a Pro American Big Government backer. He liked big government when it was pro American things like the military and such. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:06:11 PM EDT
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The rest of America has not been going like California. Other states have passed constitutional carry laws, gotten rid of their vehicle inspection programs, passed laws banning government confiscation of firearms, and pretty much have done the opposite of California. The only places that are like California are the usual suspects. NY, MA, CT, MD, NJ, and DC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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California is a lost cause. it might be a great place to live, if your a illegal, sucking up free benefits, and the snowflake poster child everyone is supposed to love and sacrifice for, free everything. ... but if your a taxpayer, and especially if you enjoy freedom, your fucked. your nothing but a cow, being milked to fund their bullshit. and they pretty much hate you. Sadly, so goes California, so goes the US. There's a very scary UK -> CA -> USA time lag for a lot of things, between 5 and 15 years, ,depending on "The Perceived Problem". Those unhappy with CA move to the rest of the states, then realize that there's not as much "stuff", like bike trails, pro-solar, or whatever, and it trickles all over until the Federal level decrees it as well. The rest of America has not been going like California. Other states have passed constitutional carry laws, gotten rid of their vehicle inspection programs, passed laws banning government confiscation of firearms, and pretty much have done the opposite of California. The only places that are like California are the usual suspects. NY, MA, CT, MD, NJ, and DC. This year's election will either continue the trend you cite, or change it drastically. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:09:59 PM EDT
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At least his aura never frowns.
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:16:01 PM EDT
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Step up and do something or GTFO of that awful state.
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Step up and do something or GTFO of that awful state. I'll tell you what I will do in the short run: Ignore all unconstitutional laws. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:20:27 PM EDT
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California is a lost cause. it might be a great place to live, if your a illegal, sucking up free benefits, and the snowflake poster child everyone is supposed to love and sacrifice for, free everything. ... but if your a taxpayer, and especially if you enjoy freedom, your fucked. your nothing but a cow, being milked to fund their bullshit. and they pretty much hate you. The sad part is, many of these tax payers who leave the state, will arrive in a new state, only to tell how great Cali is and vote to make their new host the same as the old. 
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:21:11 PM EDT
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There is a list with names and addresses of those who voted for the bill. This.
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:26:56 PM EDT
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The hits keep coming... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.ammoland.com/2016/07/calif-gov-jerry-brown-signs-ab-857-flip-flops-way-outright-tyranny/ FPC believes that AB 857 may very well be the spark to ignite the flame of a political revolution, and that California gun owners will have to carefully weigh the risks of compliance before submitting to an openly tyrannical government that puts them and their Constitutionally-protected property in the crosshairs of a growing police state. The hits keep coming... |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:35:59 PM EDT
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Move to Washington. Move to Oregon. Move to Colorado.
The differences in these states are small. Far smaller than the number of AR rifle owners and conservatives in California. The exile of a million conservatives into those state would turn them from blue to red. Six more senate seats, 28 electoral votes. It would rewrite politics on a national level. California is lost. It's fallen to the enemy, and we can't get it back. But the war is far from over. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 10:38:36 PM EDT
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I'll tell you what I will do in the short run: Ignore all unconstitutional laws. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Step up and do something or GTFO of that awful state. I'll tell you what I will do in the short run: Ignore all unconstitutional laws. And they (anti's) don't care if you ignore the laws. They're all too happy to let you keep the guns because they know you're a peace loving man who won't resort to murder. They'll happily wait until you slip up somehow or someone rats you out and they send the police to enforce an unconstitutional law at which point you'll have the choice of an ignominious plea bargain after an arrest or a fight to the death that ends with horrific headlines. Either way they're happy because every gun owner like you kept funding the very machine that imprisons you for something people in other states do freely while they wait for you to either die of old age or get caught so they can justify more laws with a headline. Hope you can escape. We need more freedom minded people in the remaining free states. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 10:46:52 PM EDT
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Fuck that fucking state
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Posted: 7/26/2016 10:51:06 PM EDT
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Did I make it in before "GET OUT OF THERE" and "DON'T COME HERE!" ? GET OUT OF THERE!!! Come to Iowa. 
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Posted: 7/27/2016 7:14:54 AM EDT
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You have an income tax.
Florida is much better. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 7:18:58 AM EDT
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They will soon. Think bigger! 
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m168/AR-15_Paul/Pro-Gun%20Statements/ARFCOMAmerica.jpg I like this one better. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 7:39:29 AM EDT
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"call someplace "paradise", kiss it goodbye." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was born and mostly raised in Calif. in the 50's and 60's. It used to be a great place to live and to do as you damn well pleased. As a teenager I use to carry my 22 across the handle bars of my bike as I rode through what was once rural Orange County. Never a word was said, nor was I ever stopped and questions. My Father and Grandfather used to take us quail hunting every year out in Ramona in San Diego County. Ate many a breakfast at a little diner in Ramona where there were plenty of pistols open carried as fellow hunters sat at the counter having their morning coffee. I moved from Calif. in the mid 1970's when it became obvious that liberals had taken over the politics of the state. How Reagan got elected I still don't know. Anyway, it was turned into such a progressive shithole that for years I only visited because my widowed Mother still had a home in Huntington Beach right across from the Ocean. Now she is almost 90, and we've had to move her up to Utah so we can help take care of her. None of my family extended, or otherwise lives in Calif. any more. Hell will freeze over before I ever go there again. Fuck Calif. and all that voted for that crazy liberal/progressive horseshit. I remember a quote from someone on this board to the effect: "Only the liberal left could take a paradise like California and turn it into one big soul crushing gulag." Calif. is deep blue, and dead to me. "call someplace "paradise", kiss it goodbye." Exactly what I was thinking- even though it is sung by a flaming libtard |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 7:45:59 AM EDT
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Brown is getting away with this shit while everyone is distracted by the elections. No one wants a two front war.
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Posted: 7/27/2016 7:52:17 AM EDT
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They're only warming up.
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Posted: 7/27/2016 7:56:32 AM EDT
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IIRC, Reagan banned "Open Carry" b/c the Black Panthers were walking around armed, stirring people up. I guess The State could have waited for shootings to happen, and pick up the pieces (and the bodies) later.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FPC believes that AB 857 may very well be the spark to ignite the flame of a political revolution, and that California gun owners will have to carefully weigh the risks of compliance before submitting to an openly tyrannical government that puts them and their Constitutionally-protected property in the crosshairs of a growing police state.
All 8% of the population of CA that gives a shit about gun rights is going to spark a political revolution? http://ivn.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/in-california-citizens-control-the-gerrymandering-and-it-works-70761-e1371430131424.jpg?65229c There are 39 million people in CA, largest State population in the US. If it were a country, it would have one of the world's largest economies, at $2.48 trillion, larger than France's. There are a ton of conservatives in CA, they just don't count when it comes time to vote at the State and Federal level. Furthermore, Reagan started the downfall with banning open carry and the 15 day wait. The culture of California has been one of restrictive big government. This is a culture war and California lost. IIRC, Reagan banned "Open Carry" b/c the Black Panthers were walking around armed, stirring people up. I guess The State could have waited for shootings to happen, and pick up the pieces (and the bodies) later.. And your reply is EXACTLY why I don't want to see ANY Californian, "conservative" or not move to my, or any other state. Your level of acceptance to that kind of bullshit is EXACTLY why your laws are in the position they are now. Have fun on your sinking ship. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 8:00:23 AM EDT
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And what about his statements in 1989? Or what about his statements in the late 1960s? Reagan was not the Arfcom God of the 2nd Amendment or Small Government. He wasn't a Godless Commie Democrat either. He was a middle of the road Fudd that had a Fudd level view on guns and was a Pro American Big Government backer. He liked big government when it was pro American things like the military and such. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan supported the 1994 AWB, as did Bush 41. Reagan was deep in Alzheimer's then. The correct statement is Nancy supported it at the behest of her friend Daryl Gates and pushed a senile RWR into it. Reagan was not the Arfcom God of the 2nd Amendment or Small Government. He wasn't a Godless Commie Democrat either. He was a middle of the road Fudd that had a Fudd level view on guns and was a Pro American Big Government backer. He liked big government when it was pro American things like the military and such. Preach it, brother. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 8:01:56 AM EDT
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http://www.ammoland.com/2016/07/calif-gov-jerry-brown-signs-ab-857-flip-flops-way-outright-tyranny/ FPC believes that AB 857 may very well be the spark to ignite the flame of a political revolution, and that California gun owners will have to carefully weigh the risks of compliance before submitting to an openly tyrannical government that puts them and their Constitutionally-protected property in the crosshairs of a growing police state. Everyone should stamp the same serial number on every gun... |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 8:12:33 AM EDT
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Everyone should stamp the same serial number on every gun... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.ammoland.com/2016/07/calif-gov-jerry-brown-signs-ab-857-flip-flops-way-outright-tyranny/ FPC believes that AB 857 may very well be the spark to ignite the flame of a political revolution, and that California gun owners will have to carefully weigh the risks of compliance before submitting to an openly tyrannical government that puts them and their Constitutionally-protected property in the crosshairs of a growing police state. Everyone should stamp the same serial number on every gun... FJB-087 |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 10:35:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GET OUT OF THERE!!! Come to Iowa. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did I make it in before "GET OUT OF THERE" and "DON'T COME HERE!" ? GET OUT OF THERE!!! Come to Iowa. I like Iowa. Both of my parents were born there. In 2012 my mom drove there for her 60-year high school class reunion. She hadn't been to her old home town for about 20 years and hadn't lived there since the 1950s, but there were still plenty of people who knew her and came out of their homes and businesses to greet her when she walked down the main street. Iowa is nice. There are plenty of smart, practical-minded people there. They still value education and good behavior, from what I can see. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 10:16:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol at the thinking that this is the straw. Just move the line in the sand |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 12:19:31 AM EDT
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Not to mention, the "patriot" answer to this stuff has been to run away. Preferably in women's clothing. To a "free state" Garsh Scooby, what happens when there's no one left the fight? I love the way this keeps cropping up. How many times do you have to step out your front door into twenty feet of water before you figure out you built too close to the lake? I'mma just leave this here.
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Posted: 7/28/2016 7:08:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to mention, the "patriot" answer to this stuff has been to run away. Preferably in women's clothing. To a "free state" Garsh Scooby, what happens when there's no one left the fight? 1. When they still could. 2. When they clearly knew that staying and continuing to fight was a fool's errand and a waste of time and energy. Seven States, out of 50 have AWBs. That's it. Those seven states are the typical ones. Else where gun rights have been continuously expanding. America isn't done yet. You want to keep the Federal Government from pulling a California or Massachusetts or New York? Then vote Trump into office. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 7:31:04 AM EDT
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Preach it, brother. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan supported the 1994 AWB, as did Bush 41. Reagan was deep in Alzheimer's then. The correct statement is Nancy supported it at the behest of her friend Daryl Gates and pushed a senile RWR into it. Reagan was not the Arfcom God of the 2nd Amendment or Small Government. He wasn't a Godless Commie Democrat either. He was a middle of the road Fudd that had a Fudd level view on guns and was a Pro American Big Government backer. He liked big government when it was pro American things like the military and such. Preach it, brother. Bullshit. If he was the gun control advocate that JBT wants everyone to believe he was, he wouldn't have expanded the DCM program to release more M1 rifles at a faster rate than had been the case prior to his swearing in, would have advocated for more gun control after his assassination attempt, and lobbied Congress to pass legislation restricting "assault rifles". I never heard him advocate for more "gun control", and press hated him for it. Reagan, 1984: A lone gunman named James Huberty walks into a McDonald's in San Ysidro CA, and commits the largest mass shooting by a lone gunman in the history of the U.S. while armed with an IMI Uzi carbine. Reagan does or says nothing that I can recall (I was at MCRD at the time, and news was non-existent) to use the incident to pass or lobby for more restrictions on the 2A. G.H.W. Bush, 1989: A nutcase shoots a playground full of children in Stockton CA with a Chinese AK and Bush caves to the left right off the bat-hence the 1989 import ban that didn't meet the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA of 1968. Reagan was out of office by 1989, and had indications of Alzheimer's towards the end of his term. His position didn't "change" until he lost his marbles. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 7:38:54 AM EDT
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 Both of the two bottom quotes came from 1968.   RR was a great American. But the Rose Colored Glasses of Nostalgia sure wipe away a lot of grime. He was a mid level Fudd. Simple as that. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 7:57:14 PM EDT
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http://www.bartcop.com/reagan-on-guns.jpg Both of the two bottom quotes came from 1968. https://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/reagan.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm5DoE9CAAEz_oF.jpg RR was a great American. But the Rose Colored Glasses of Nostalgia sure wipe away a lot of grime. He was a mid level Fudd. Simple as that. RR repealed some of the worst parts of the GCA of 1968 during his presidency, in addition to NOT pushing for more gun control as president as I pointed out above, yet you want to cherry pick statements made before and after his two terms to fit your bullshit agenda. Whatever. If trump can have an epiphany before he ran for prez, so can Reagan. At least gun owners were in better shape after President Reagan's two terms as prez than before-same as Dubya. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 8:11:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RR repealed some of the worst parts of the GCA of 1968 during his presidency, in addition to NOT pushing for more gun control as president as I pointed out above, yet you want to cherry pick statements made before and after his two terms to fit your bullshit agenda. Whatever. If trump can have an epiphany before he ran for prez, so can Reagan. At least gun owners were in better shape after President Reagan's two terms as prez than before-same as Dubya. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://www.bartcop.com/reagan-on-guns.jpg Both of the two bottom quotes came from 1968. https://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/reagan.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm5DoE9CAAEz_oF.jpg RR was a great American. But the Rose Colored Glasses of Nostalgia sure wipe away a lot of grime. He was a mid level Fudd. Simple as that. RR repealed some of the worst parts of the GCA of 1968 during his presidency, in addition to NOT pushing for more gun control as president as I pointed out above, yet you want to cherry pick statements made before and after his two terms to fit your bullshit agenda. Whatever. If trump can have an epiphany before he ran for prez, so can Reagan. At least gun owners were in better shape after President Reagan's two terms as prez than before-same as Dubya. I just get tired of seeing the worshipping of Reagan as some idol of Small Government Conservativism. He was a great President and the right man at the right time. I respect the hell out of him, just like I do TR. But folks here hate TR for what he did even though he brought us to the world stage as a major power. No President is perfect. So the fact that folks like to not see the truth is the same reason why we get folks like Obama. Reagan started the fall of gun rights in California. Simple as that. His two acts as governor lit the ember that turned inti the raging fire we have today. Was Reagan bad? Nope.... he was a Fudd with Fudd views. He was a hell of a lot better than the scum even back then that wanted to truly strip usnof our rights. But you have to admit, that Reagan's act of outlawing loaded open carry and instituting the 15 day waiting period was not beneficial towards gun rights in California. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 8:34:17 PM EDT
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"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
Does anyone think for one moment that the California State Government fears the people? Of course not. (BTW, the word "fear" in my reference means - "a healthy respect, or reverence for".) Until the people hold them to account for their treason, nothing will ever happen to change the course they've chosen. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 9:10:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Does anyone think for one moment that the California State Government fears the people? Of course not. (BTW, the word "fear" in my reference means - "a healthy respect, or reverence for".) Until the people hold them to account for their treason, nothing will ever happen to change the course they've chosen. The state government and most of its individual members are utterly indifferent to the people. They care only about acquiring an retaining power. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 9:29:58 PM EDT
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All 8% of the population of CA that gives a shit about gun rights is going to spark a political revolution? Quote HistoryQuoted:
FPC believes that AB 857 may very well be the spark to ignite the flame of a political revolution, and that California gun owners will have to carefully weigh the risks of compliance before submitting to an openly tyrannical government that puts them and their Constitutionally-protected property in the crosshairs of a growing police state.
All 8% of the population of CA that gives a shit about gun rights is going to spark a political revolution? Only took 3% to make themAmerican Revolution happen... |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 9:35:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. If he was the gun control advocate that JBT wants everyone to believe he was, he wouldn't have expanded the DCM program to release more M1 rifles at a faster rate than had been the case prior to his swearing in, would have advocated for more gun control after his assassination attempt, and lobbied Congress to pass legislation restricting "assault rifles". I never heard him advocate for more "gun control", and press hated him for it. Reagan, 1984: A lone gunman named James Huberty walks into a McDonald's in San Ysidro CA, and commits the largest mass shooting by a lone gunman in the history of the U.S. while armed with an IMI Uzi carbine. Reagan does or says nothing that I can recall (I was at MCRD at the time, and news was non-existent) to use the incident to pass or lobby for more restrictions on the 2A. G.H.W. Bush, 1989: A nutcase shoots a playground full of children in Stockton CA with a Chinese AK and Bush caves to the left right off the bat-hence the 1989 import ban that didn't meet the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA of 1968. Reagan was out of office by 1989, and had indications of Alzheimer's towards the end of his term. His position didn't "change" until he lost his marbles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Reagan supported the 1994 AWB, as did Bush 41. Reagan was deep in Alzheimer's then. The correct statement is Nancy supported it at the behest of her friend Daryl Gates and pushed a senile RWR into it. Reagan was not the Arfcom God of the 2nd Amendment or Small Government. He wasn't a Godless Commie Democrat either. He was a middle of the road Fudd that had a Fudd level view on guns and was a Pro American Big Government backer. He liked big government when it was pro American things like the military and such. Preach it, brother. Bullshit. If he was the gun control advocate that JBT wants everyone to believe he was, he wouldn't have expanded the DCM program to release more M1 rifles at a faster rate than had been the case prior to his swearing in, would have advocated for more gun control after his assassination attempt, and lobbied Congress to pass legislation restricting "assault rifles". I never heard him advocate for more "gun control", and press hated him for it. Reagan, 1984: A lone gunman named James Huberty walks into a McDonald's in San Ysidro CA, and commits the largest mass shooting by a lone gunman in the history of the U.S. while armed with an IMI Uzi carbine. Reagan does or says nothing that I can recall (I was at MCRD at the time, and news was non-existent) to use the incident to pass or lobby for more restrictions on the 2A. G.H.W. Bush, 1989: A nutcase shoots a playground full of children in Stockton CA with a Chinese AK and Bush caves to the left right off the bat-hence the 1989 import ban that didn't meet the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA of 1968. Reagan was out of office by 1989, and had indications of Alzheimer's towards the end of his term. His position didn't "change" until he lost his marbles. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 9:36:51 PM EDT
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"DON'T COME HERE!" ? Don't worry, I won't even visit. Seriously, at this point I look at it something like going to Soviet-Era E. Berlin. I could not care less what's there, I want no part of it. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 9:47:01 PM EDT
[#49]
The NRA will get right on that. I wonder how long before it spreads to the rest of the country.
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Posted: 7/28/2016 10:40:07 PM EDT
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Tanker, I was at MCRD at that time also, permanent personnel side. Semper Fi. We may have run into each other then. It's a small Marine Corps. |
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