this is maybe the most interesting thread currently active on arfcom.

Don't confuse me with reality! I demand a simplified world without nuance!

I see that John Kerry has made his favorite buzzword popular again in certain cliques.

I think that was a parody account, realdenaldtrump or something.

And the most scary although next week when Satan gets nominated by the democrats that will be just as bad.

WTF is Obongo doing about this!!??

Erdogan wants a caliphate, not an EU.

And erdy is friendly with Iran

That would be a global disaster. And it's happening.



More:
http://tass.ru/en/world/889162

^^^^^FUCK!!!

WHERE THE FUCK IS OBONGO!!??

That was the military.  The pilot who shot down the Russians was arrested as part of the coup and executed.

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It was but Shhh don't tell him just yet, this is fun......

Mostly useful for strategic military reasons, sending more ropers to EU, more warm water ports, assad support, resource distribution, Nato fracturing, gaining a super important location at expense of the west.... I could go on and on

Look at a map.

Purely geography.

Getting them to align with the west fucks with Russian logistics terribly.

The Republican Guard and Russian Advisors will do fine for erdo.

Westernized intelligentsia. He's all about the Islam. Western political/ social thought is contrary to Islamic concepts of the political and social. To go all Sharia, with minimal interference, he needs to remove the opposition. Which is the Professional/ managerial class. It reverts to an authoritarian model of inefficiency with all the jobs filled with family, friends and apparatchiks for the party loyalty.

Agreed
Too many people being purged at top levels
Why judges and scholars? I could understand possibly a handful who maybe spoke out in support of the coup, but thousands?

No. President loves the beautiful call of adhan.

They draw social services because the Madrassas backed education is not conducive to Westernized jobs and services.

What about 4-500 ISIS fighters who "slipped" across the border from Syria?
Throw in some VBIEds and ......

There's no way Obama is party to any coup plot against the Erdogan government. This is Erdogan making a move for his own personal ambitions. Erdogan and Obama share a general like-mindedness in the ascension of the Islamic culture to a higher status on the world stage. The alliance only has value to Erdogan in how far it can promote his position in the Islamic world. He is willing to move beyond that now since Obama will be out of power in a few months. He's gotten what needed out of the relationship and is ready to move on.

Way worse than compromising national security through an unsecured email server.

It's....complicated.

Stray nukes?  It's time to send Bond in.  

He'll just stop stemming the immigrant flow into Europe and open the floodgates.

The area is the traditional gateway for East-West trade. It's a strategic geographic location between the East and West. So it's not just the Russians...

he's eliminating secular, westernised opposition to Erdogan's desire to revert to a more theocratic type of Governing. sharia.

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I can see exactly what he's doing.
That's why the thought process of this being a false coup is logical.
There is no need to do what he did with the judges and scholars.
And it's not like this happened over a few months period after the failed coup.
It happened virtually overnite. Theses lists were premade.
Now he's playing the US involvement / support to induce our exit from the country. He had this well thought out. You have to give him credit for being a chess master while our leader in Washington is still looking for someone he can beat at checkers.

I must be dreaming.  

Judges and scholars give authority to the arguments against what he is doing. He is doing what any authoritarian does- eliminate any source of opposition to his authority and his policies. He wants no political opposition. There will be no debates. And you do that by oppressing/ elimnating them. Very Stalinesque. He'll give Kim Jong-Un a run for his money as best despot.

I doubt there's much opposition to what he is doing by the POTUS. Realpolitik. But there's narratives and imagery to maintain for the bumpkins back home. Like the perception that Obama takes the needs of his country over the ambitions of a politically aligned fellow traveller....


(Obama hates colonizer, Imperialistic Crusaderism)

erdogan has to go.  thats the only way turkey remains friendly to the US

I don't see how that is even remotely possible at this point.

And all that shit will be told to stand down.

 

Taking notes for when it's his turn.

 

Ironically, your analogy is quite fitting!

^^This.  He also does not want to fight the US.  He will not touch the nuclear bombs.  After he eliminates the secularist in Turkey, he will make strategic alliances with Iran and ISIL.  Then he will invade Syria with Russia’s approval and assistance.  Russia will get unrestricted passage thru the Bosporus Strait. Iraq will fall to a 3 pronged invasion from (Turkey, Syria and Iran).  The Islamic Caliphate will be declared with Sultan Erdogan I as it’s supreme leader.

Ottoman Empire part 2?



 

If Turkey threatened to take our nukes what do you guys think Obongo would do?

I can't believe I am even asking this question but with that asshole I am asking a serious question.

I like you.

That is the most likely description of the near to mid term end game for the Middle East I've heard in a while.  You might want to send this to the State Dept and see if anyone is awake.

That is easy.  The Iraqi Kurds aren't commies.  The Turk ones are.

 
What odds are you willing to put on that statement? Best guess for me is 50/50.

 
Does disabling them somehow change the chemical make up of the initiators or the physics package (as I think I have heard it called)? Because even though the bomb won't fire, all of the fiddly bits would still be there and those could be repurposed to other devices, correct?


Command disable is neat, but plutonium isn't disabled by a switch as far as I know.

See- now this right here is why we do have to pay attention to all of those UN agreements that we've signed with little fanfare or public debate, or that certain parties push for. Keep this in mind the next time  the Alex Jones' of the world etc bring up topic of Martial Law here in the US...

Send it to the State Department?!    Now THAT's funny bro...

Thanks, I needed a real good laugh



Perhaps sending that to various Senators and Congressmen may be worth the effort though, better yet- spreading word through any personal contacts anyone may have

Command disable comes first...

If there is still a threat than "explosive disassembly" comes next...

The only evidence for a faked coup is that it didn't work, and objectively, that's only evidence of a bad coup, not a faked one.

In the absence of orchestrating every detail, it's a dangerous game of chance to roll the dice with a coup ... because the coup could be successful.  And, if every detail was orchestrated to ensure failure, that wouldn't remain secret, too many moving pieces.

By their very nature, coups are difficult to plan.  They are more about momentum than anything.  These coup plotters lost the momentum when they failed to control or silence the media.  They got their message out on state run media, but didn't control it, or push it through other channels - it's also worth noting that their message cited very real and now verifiable issues.  Erdogan was making lists for military and judicial purges, likely small than what we've seen to date, but substantial enough to prompt a group of officers to mount a coup.  

We can't point to the coups of 1960 and 1980 and simply say that the Turkish military knows how to pull of coup, because they don't - everyone who was anyone is long gone.  If it resembles anything, it's the military intervention of 1997 -  with the notable exception that Erdogan had already ousted a significant number of generals, putting the decision of action or inaction in the hands of a smaller number of general officers and larger number of middle officers - which presents a significant problem for command, control, and momentum.

This was a very level headed coup attempt.  I suppose the thought being that they need not make it more kinetic than need be - the most recent past military intervention was limited to paper, and it worked.  Start the coup and convince (through force) one or two of Erdogan's recently inserted generals to sign the broader military order for the coup, and it would have succeeded.  This was the pivotal part of their plan and it failed.  Without securing a general order, control of the media was even more crucial, but plan B fell apart when the curfew collapsed - owed in two parts: media and mosques.

Past coup attempts have been outed by investigative branches of the civilian police.  This is something for which their police are always on the lookout.  They had actually halted several attempts in the mid 2000s.  Looking at the 2016 coup, the military made immediate attacks on various police headquarters - this was where most of their kinetics were focused - and for good reason since the civilian police force was the main tool for subverting these plots.

Kurds will never be politically unified, even if you completely wish away the communist factions.

The obsession so many American have with lumping them as some sort of unified, politically coherent ethnic nation-in-waiting is simply ridiculous.