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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:05:12 PM EDT
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Wait, when was this? I thought US/NATO helped Croats wipe out/evict all Serbs in Croatia. Or you mean later, when NATO-supported Catholics started killing NATO-supported Muslims, and all libtards were like "WTF we thought they were both cute and fluffy"? Or some other occasion? I don't mean to be sarcastic, I really don't know that clusterfuck all that well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? Something like that...then we saved the Orthodox Christians from the Catholics. Wait, when was this? I thought US/NATO helped Croats wipe out/evict all Serbs in Croatia. Or you mean later, when NATO-supported Catholics started killing NATO-supported Muslims, and all libtards were like "WTF we thought they were both cute and fluffy"? Or some other occasion? I don't mean to be sarcastic, I really don't know that clusterfuck all that well. In a nutshell, JNA (Serbs) unsuccessfully attacked Slovenia when they declared independence. They then went after Croatia and Bosnia when they declared independence. Their problem was, lack of weapons: the Bosnians didn't really have any and the JNA had commandeered many of Croatias weapons on their way to Slovenia (remember that we're talking about states within what is now the Former Republic of Yugoslavia so they didn't have a lot of organic weapons to begin with. Since the JNA was staffed primarily by Serbs and there was a Serbian (Milosevic) president, things tended to be decided in favor of the Serbs (i.e. as stated in another post, Croatian independence made the Serbs nervous since the Nazi sympathizing Croats had their own small scale Serb holocaust during WWII. It was easy for the Serb-controlled state media to whip the Serbs into a frenzy, they would make pre-emptive strikes against Croats and Bosnians and the JNA would come in and settle things...in favor of the Serbs). Croatia and Bosnia initially formed an alliance to halt/stall the Serbs, then the Croats decided they no longer liked/needed the Bosnians, so they turned on them. The Croats then went after the Serbs and with a little western help, started to push the Serbs back. That's about the time IFOR/SFOR got going and the master negotiator Holbrooke eventually brokered a deal which let the Serbs keep their gains. The funny (sad) thing is, there were those who predicted the Serbs would try/do the exact same thing in Kosovo next, since they regarded Kosovo as their birthplace of sorts. And they did. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:06:32 PM EDT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre#Massacre If you think the US picked the wrong side that article will probably make your cock hard. Children's throats getting slit, random executions in front of crowds, more rapes than you can shake a rape stick at, bulldozers pushing bodies into trenches. Basically the kind of the thing some in GD would love to see happen in the US. It was a massacre, but 95% was against enemy combatants and adult men mixed in with combatants. Women and children were mostly evacuated on buses by the Serbs. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:07:45 PM EDT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre#Massacre If you think the US picked the wrong side that article will probably make your cock hard. Children's throats getting slit, random executions in front of crowds, more rapes than you can shake a rape stick at, bulldozers pushing bodies into trenches. Basically the kind of the thing some in GD would love to see happen in the US. I need to check on that site a little moar. Former CIA Analyst on Srebrenica Hiding Genocide before Srebrenica by Muzzies |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:07:55 PM EDT
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There is a great documentary in English (British probably) that goes through the politics of the whole war from the death of Tito through Dayton. Must be 5-6 episodes on YouTube. Made right after Dayton when people were still talking about it. Don't remember the name I think it's "The Death of Yugoslavia." I have the book and the book is based on a BBC documentary. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:30:50 PM EDT
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I just saw the topic. Away from a PC until tomorrow, and then I'll try to contribute
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:50:50 PM EDT
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It was a massacre, but 95% was against enemy combatants and adult men mixed in with combatants. Women and children were mostly evacuated on buses by the Serbs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre#Massacre If you think the US picked the wrong side that article will probably make your cock hard. Children's throats getting slit, random executions in front of crowds, more rapes than you can shake a rape stick at, bulldozers pushing bodies into trenches. Basically the kind of the thing some in GD would love to see happen in the US. It was a massacre, but 95% was against enemy combatants and adult men mixed in with combatants. Women and children were mostly evacuated on buses by the Serbs. Yes, the women and children were evac'ed on busses...the men were never seen again and the women, at best, were abandoned somewhere between where they were and the next town up the road...where they became refugees that added to the problem in the next town, splitting that town along ethnic lines. And so it went throughout much of the country. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 3:08:17 PM EDT
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My Aunt is Bosnian and lived through this. She is 37 now and came here in the mid 2000's
Some of the stories are absolutely horrendous. She said there was a lot of rape while UN soldiers turned their backs. She also had a story about how she found a "Kalashnikov" while coming home from school but it didn't have any mags or ammo. Her cousin hid it in their shed. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 3:28:33 PM EDT
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I was in Croatia in May. The scars are everywhere if you look around. Most of the buildings in old town Dubrovnik have new roofs. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 3:48:09 PM EDT
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Still have my mine contamination map from my deployment with IFOR...
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Posted: 7/21/2016 3:56:11 PM EDT
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I'd some personal interest in that conflict. There was plenty of evil to go around. But, I wouldn't piss on a Serb if he was on fire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? I'd some personal interest in that conflict. There was plenty of evil to go around. But, I wouldn't piss on a Serb if he was on fire. On the flip side, I wouldn't piss in a Muzzie's mouth if his teeth were on fire. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 4:01:26 PM EDT
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The Turks were a disaster for the Balkans........but then they were a disaster for whatever lands they occupied anywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They all did screwed up shit to eachother. However, I think serbs did more. Screbrenica was bad. All are guilty to one degree or another though. I had a hot exchange student friend in high school who was a bosnian serb. Should have heard her talk.....We were close friends, but she had been borderline brainwashed by her serb people. Absolutely refused to believe in any serb war crimes. Thought bisnians were almost not human, croats only slightly better. Also argued that serbs had anright to bosnia going back to june 28 1389. When the turks defeated the serbs at the battle of kosovo. Fun to talk to though. Even more fun to look at. The Turks were a disaster for the Balkans........but then they were a disaster for whatever lands they occupied anywhere. The Kurds agree with you. So would all those Armenians, but the Turks slaughtered millions of them so there aren't that many left to talk about what assholes the Turks have historically been. Vlad the Impaler is celebrated as a national hero in Rumania. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 4:11:55 PM EDT
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So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. My exact thoughts. Both sides committed war crimes but US/NATO decided to back the muslims for some fucked up reason. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 4:43:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre#Massacre If you think the US picked the wrong side that article will probably make your cock hard. Children's throats getting slit, random executions in front of crowds, more rapes than you can shake a rape stick at, bulldozers pushing bodies into trenches. Basically the kind of the thing some in GD would love to see happen in the US. https://theremustbejustice.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/the-vatican-and-war-crimes-in-croatia-jonathan-levy/ Warning there are photos below and they are nsfw and are pretty sobering. This photograph shows a Serbian victim of Franjo Tudjman’s neo-Ustashe Nazi troops. The victim’s name was Zoran Pavlovic and he was axed to death by modern-day Croatian "skull crushers”, killed on November 19, 1991, at 74 Nikole Demonje Street, Vukovar, Croatia. He was positively identified by surviving relatives. These revisited Holocaust crimes against the Serbs were discounted by the Western corporate controlled media as "Serb paranoia”, however these photographs clearly reveal the demonic nature of such Croatian Ustashe Nazi war crimes. https://i2.wp.com/www.juliagorin.com/images/croatia/Borovo1.jpg  Photo: Traumatized woman, Bosnian Muslim rape victim. Photo taken by Antony Loyd, |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 4:53:30 PM EDT
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As I said earlier, I'm not a specialist on Yugoslavia, but my experience with other post-Soviet civil wars leads to me to suspect that NATO members played no small part in the beginning of Yugo mess.
Not by direct military intervention (although IIRC there were stories of some EU specialists/mercs training Croats and Bosnians), and not only by shipping weapons (although THAT definitely happened, and played a huge role), but by diplomatic/PR support for various abhorrent nationalist movements. The whole thing could've gone a lot smoother if libtards didn't try to put lipstick on a pig and pretend one side is always right, and the other is always wrong. Oh well, neoliberals gonna do their thing. We just saw a re-run of it in Syria, essentially, with the whole "peaceful democratic protests" narrative trying downplay a ROPer insurgency. But these days, we have youtube and whatnot. Yugoslavia coverage was a lot more one-sided. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 4:58:20 PM EDT
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This was pretty recent. A Bosnian war criminal found in the US.
Bottom line absolutely disgusting acts were committed on all sides in the name of freedom and nationalism. Serbs killing Bosnians , Croat killing Serb, Bosnian killing Croat etc etc. The Croatians turned on the Bosnian's for a time as they didn't want Bosnia getting too much of an upper hand either. The whole bloody war was a mess. Rape was a big weapon of terror committed on all sides. I highly recommend watching the documentary below. It's a no bullshit look at the war from all sides Also the UN's involvement in Bosnia shows how fucking useless they were. Ethnic cleansing was going on all around them but their orders were do not engage.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:04:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I said earlier, I'm not a specialist on Yugoslavia, but my experience with other post-Soviet civil wars leads to me to suspect that NATO members played no small part in the beginning of Yugo mess. Not by direct military intervention (although IIRC there were stories of some EU specialists/mercs training Croats and Bosnians), and not only by shipping weapons (although THAT definitely happened, and played a huge role), but by diplomatic/PR support for various abhorrent nationalist movements. The whole thing could've gone a lot smoother if libtards didn't try to put lipstick on a pig and pretend one side is always right, and the other is always wrong. Oh well, neoliberals gonna do their thing. We just saw a re-run of it in Syria, essentially, with the whole "peaceful democratic protests" narrative trying downplay a ROPer insurgency. But these days, we have youtube and whatnot. Yugoslavia coverage was a lot more one-sided.     |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:05:11 PM EDT
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We backed the wrong side during that.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:07:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We backed the wrong side during that. We did it again in the late 90's with Kosovo. We should have stayed the fuck out. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:10:07 PM EDT
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Yes, the women and children were evac'ed on busses...the men were never seen again and the women, at best, were abandoned somewhere between where they were and the next town up the road...where they became refugees that added to the problem in the next town, splitting that town along ethnic lines. And so it went throughout much of the country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre#Massacre If you think the US picked the wrong side that article will probably make your cock hard. Children's throats getting slit, random executions in front of crowds, more rapes than you can shake a rape stick at, bulldozers pushing bodies into trenches. Basically the kind of the thing some in GD would love to see happen in the US. It was a massacre, but 95% was against enemy combatants and adult men mixed in with combatants. Women and children were mostly evacuated on buses by the Serbs. Yes, the women and children were evac'ed on busses...the men were never seen again and the women, at best, were abandoned somewhere between where they were and the next town up the road...where they became refugees that added to the problem in the next town, splitting that town along ethnic lines. And so it went throughout much of the country. IIRC in Srebrenica, one of the main factors was that the ROPer leadership gave zero fucks about civilians and basically used them as a bargaining chip, essentially thinking that there are two options: 1) UN protects civilians, keeps indefensible area deep in Serb territory as a Muslim base = good 2) Sebs get pissed, massacre civilians = better Heck, they didn't even care about Muslim soldiers. They refused ANY help with the breakout, up to and including Muslim units on the other side of the frontline not even attacking as their comrades were breaking out. IIRC some Srebrenica survivors later tried to assassinate a Muslim general or two over this. Like it's been said many times in this thread, no good guys. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:31:22 PM EDT
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There were no discernible right or wrong sides in that war. Nobody had clean hands. It didn't matter who we sided with, as long as we stopped the fighting and the genocidal shit, which we did. And then we more or less made then decide the issue in a more peaceful manner.
Maybe this fantasy of letting it all play out would have worked, and then there would just be a single culture to deal with over there. Maybe we shouldn't have raised a finger and let Saddam Hussein gas every last Kurd in Iraq. Fuck, we could start selling nuclear strikes to countries that want to cleans certain regions...I mean we're not going to help, we might as well do it quickly, right? I was in Sarajevo not long after 9/11 when the US was considering pulling out of there. You could feel the terror in the locals, the anxiety. It was definitely too soon to pull out then. I have no idea what it's like nowadays. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:38:05 PM EDT
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Likely true, but it wasn't because Serbs were "more evil" - they were simply better armed and better fighters. Muslims would gladly genocide them (heck, they resorted to terrorism after all), but it's hard to commit genocide when you can't take over Serb-populated areas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They all did screwed up shit to each other. However, I think serbs did more. Screbrenica was bad. All are guilty to one degree or another though. ... Likely true, but it wasn't because Serbs were "more evil" - they were simply better armed and better fighters. Muslims would gladly genocide them (heck, they resorted to terrorism after all), but it's hard to commit genocide when you can't take over Serb-populated areas. This is the second or third Tatzhit post I have to agree with. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:41:21 PM EDT
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I love studying this period of conflict; as it is, in my opinion, the precursor here in the states. Too many differences, religions, culture, etc... Except we'll be worse. In multiple areas of angst. Maybe we can go like Czechoslovakia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_Czechoslovakia |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:43:35 PM EDT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre#Massacre If you think the US picked the wrong side that article will probably make your cock hard. Children's throats getting slit, random executions in front of crowds, more rapes than you can shake a rape stick at, bulldozers pushing bodies into trenches. Basically the kind of the thing some in GD would love to see happen in the US. Our country picked the wrong side or should have stayed out. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:55:00 PM EDT
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All I know for sure is that there were a lot of dudes doing the Charlie Sheen Platoon look over there. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 6:10:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong answer we shouldn't have been involved period. We did it again in the late 90's with Kosovo. We should have stayed the fuck out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We backed the wrong side during that. We did it again in the late 90's with Kosovo. We should have stayed the fuck out. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 6:12:37 PM EDT
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We shouldn't have gotten involved in 60% of the shit we've been in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We backed the wrong side during that. We did it again in the late 90's with Kosovo. We should have stayed the fuck out. Hey, that would make a nice poll. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 6:16:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? The more I learn about that and Kosovo, the more I think we should have stayed out. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 6:18:20 PM EDT
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All I know for sure is that there were a lot of dudes doing the Charlie Sheen Platoon look over there. They do love do-rags, that's for sure. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 6:27:44 PM EDT
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There were no discernible right or wrong sides in that war. Nobody had clean hands. It didn't matter who we sided with, as long as we stopped the fighting and the genocidal shit, which we did. And then we more or less made then decide the issue in a more peaceful manner. Except that one of the reasons that fighting and genocidal shit began in the first place was NATO/Western support for Croat/Bosnian nationalists. Without that backing, they possibly wouldn't dare fight the Serbs, and the whole thing would go down more like Czechoslovakia, or at worst Moldova. Usual libtarded do-gooder stuff: Implementing shitty one-sided solutions to problems created by previous shitty one-sided solutions. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 6:45:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2016 6:57:50 PM EDT
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Correct. I did time in Kosovo from October 2001 to June 2002. Protecting moderate Muslims from those evil Christians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? Correct. I did time in Kosovo from October 2001 to June 2002. Protecting moderate Muslims from those evil Christians. Yeah Klinton, Obama, and the Leftist cabal suddenly forgot stuff like UN authorizations and congressional approvals. By golly the Continent of NATO was at risk from a bunch of fat ass middle aged Bosnians with bolt rifles and they were going to do something about it. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 7:01:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. I did time in Kosovo from October 2001 to June 2002. Protecting moderate Muslims from those evil Christians. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? Correct. I did time in Kosovo from October 2001 to June 2002. Protecting moderate Muslims from those evil Christians. I got to my unit in July 2002, and they had just came back from a Kosovo deployment. They all said they totally understood the hatred toward the people of Kosovo. Like the Serbs or whoever we were fighting, were actually the better people. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 7:24:09 PM EDT
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Wrong answer we shouldn't have been involved period. We did it again in the late 90's with Kosovo. We should have stayed the fuck out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We backed the wrong side during that. We did it again in the late 90's with Kosovo. We should have stayed the fuck out. This. Whole bunch of people fighting over where to put borders that were inside a country drawn up out of nothing after WW1. Just like I don't think we should ever get involved in wars over where the internal borders of the former Soviet Union end up (Crimea or Donetsk). If Russia wants to take a land bridge between Kalingrad and Belarus, I am not in favor of starting WW3 over a chunk of Poland and Lithuania that was German 100 years ago. Same thoughts apply to all those random countries and borders in the Middle East. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:59:28 PM EDT
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Except that one of the reasons that fighting and genocidal shit began in the first place was NATO/Western support for Croat/Bosnian nationalists. Without that backing, they possibly wouldn't dare fight the Serbs, and the whole thing would go down more like Czechoslovakia, or at worst Moldova. Usual libtarded do-gooder stuff: Implementing shitty one-sided solutions to problems created by previous shitty one-sided solutions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There were no discernible right or wrong sides in that war. Nobody had clean hands. It didn't matter who we sided with, as long as we stopped the fighting and the genocidal shit, which we did. And then we more or less made then decide the issue in a more peaceful manner. Except that one of the reasons that fighting and genocidal shit began in the first place was NATO/Western support for Croat/Bosnian nationalists. Without that backing, they possibly wouldn't dare fight the Serbs, and the whole thing would go down more like Czechoslovakia, or at worst Moldova. Usual libtarded do-gooder stuff: Implementing shitty one-sided solutions to problems created by previous shitty one-sided solutions. It wasn't a 1-sided solution. Hostilities were ceased by supporting the weaker side to the extent that further hostilities would be counter productive. Had it been a simple civil war, it probably wouldn't have happened, but both sides were committing atrocities that could not be allowed. Once the fighting stopped, there were years of negotiation and politics to try to forge a lasting peace. Had it been 1-sided, NATO would have dictated the terms of the agreements. It did not. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:23:38 PM EDT
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Should be required reading for anyone interested in the subject: https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/large/9780/8021/9780802122322.jpg Sent it to the kindle app on my phone. Maybe it'll be slow tonight at work. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:26:39 PM EDT
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Yeah Klinton, Obama, and the Leftist cabal suddenly forgot stuff like UN authorizations and congressional approvals. By golly the Continent of NATO was at risk from a bunch of fat ass middle aged Bosnians with bolt rifles and they were going to do something about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? Correct. I did time in Kosovo from October 2001 to June 2002. Protecting moderate Muslims from those evil Christians. Yeah Klinton, Obama, and the Leftist cabal suddenly forgot stuff like UN authorizations and congressional approvals. By golly the Continent of NATO was at risk from a bunch of fat ass middle aged Bosnians with bolt rifles and they were going to do something about it. Wait. Did you somehow manage to work Obama into the Yugoslavian War AND, at the same time, pretend it was all bolt guns? How do...What the? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got a pretty good amount of Bosnian friends/acquaintances and they've talked about the war (most were 6-10 years old or so) and all the shit they were put through. Really puts a lot in perspective. Also, Bosnian-style Islam is about as close as it gets to being tolerable. They all drink, most eat pork, they keep beheadings to a minimum. If it's as clear cut as everyone thinks, I'm curious how a Bosnian Muslim fought beside a Croat and a Serb against Serbs in Sarajevo. The few Mujaheddin were ostracized in that area and seen as criminals not fighting for their country. There are traditional Muslims about, but the majority of the population are essentially non practicing and attended Christian and Jewish events we visited. The folks I knew and traveled with thought traditional Muslims were essentially hillbillies and weirdos. Just my experience. It was interesting to see the level of pro American people when I was there. The world wrote off Sarajevo, but America was seen as the only one who helped I have a pic somewhere of some graffiti on a wall that said "united nothing" |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 11:05:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love studying this period of conflict; as it is, in my opinion, the precursor here in the states. Too many differences, religions, culture, etc... Except we'll be worse. In multiple areas of angst. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 11:08:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The strangest thing to me about that time was almost every single service member I met who had been over there said we supported the wrong side. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 2:11:08 AM EDT
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So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. LMAO!! |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 2:14:33 AM EDT
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians?  Yes, and I had to be part of it. The muslims there were some evil people.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 2:22:21 AM EDT
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[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cUbCp2WgkYw[/youtube]
Check that out |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 2:25:16 AM EDT
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I love studying this period of conflict; as it is, in my opinion, the precursor here in the states. Too many differences, religions, culture, etc... Except we'll be worse. In multiple areas of angst. some of us will get to roleplay the part of Serb. China could intervene on behalf of the Muslims against the Christians Nationalist "Bitter Clingers". |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 2:56:12 AM EDT
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Wrong answer we shouldn't have been involved period. We did it again in the late 90's with Kosovo. We should have stayed the fuck out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We backed the wrong side during that. We did it again in the late 90's with Kosovo. We should have stayed the fuck out. Yep. None of that is worth a single US tax dollar. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 3:08:02 AM EDT
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So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. and divert attention from the whole Lewinsky deal. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 4:00:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 4:05:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was with first US Combat Troops to be placed under UN Command......by Bill Clinton....Matter of fact we still have troops there, what's our exit plan? FYROM UNPROFOR July 93-Jan 94, spent time on border, did motorized and foot patrol along the Albanian and Hungarian border for smuggler routes. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 4:10:59 AM EDT
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Based on some of those photos posted above I think we should have bombed everyone involved.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 4:30:29 AM EDT
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Well knowing as little as I do about it, that is kind of what I always thought. I was grown and already married, but not nearly as politically aware as I am now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. I was grown and already married, but not nearly as politically aware as I am now. This type of shot amazes me Nonchalantly: oh yeah, we had a war so (insert name: could get re-elected, no big deal We're so fucked
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Posted: 7/22/2016 4:46:14 AM EDT
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What was that big cone shaped structure @5:30?
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