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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:37:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. ... and I disliked Glock. Yes, I own four of them |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:37:45 PM EDT
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 rawr rawr Sig 320 rawr rawr.Damn, you stole my post. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:38:12 PM EDT
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What was the FBI using previously?
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:38:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:40:17 PM EDT
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9mm?!?!?!?!.............FUCKING PUSSIES!!!  The difference between 9mm HSTs and .40S&W HSTs is quite minimal. Well, except the 9mm has more capacity, less recoil, cheaper practice ammo and slightly more reliable guns. The non-bottlenecked pistol caliber war is over. 9mm won. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:41:04 PM EDT
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. Unfortunately, you're correct. They are an armorer's dream come true. Few parts. Unparalleled reliability in adverse conditions. Decently accurate. Pretty good ergonomics and configurability for most shooters' hands. Cheap mags and replacement parts. Good rail and utility options. This is course discounts the comments from the hordes of mouthbreathers around here who call them grenades because some fuckheads somewhere disregarded manufacturer instructions and shot streams of lead bullets through a polygonally-rifled barrel and never cleaned them, fired triple-powder load, hot rounds out of them that their Uncle Elmer reloaded for them, fired squib rounds which lodged in the barrel--followed by a live round, or attempted to shoot the wrong caliber ammunition through a weapon designed for a different caliber. 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:41:36 PM EDT
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I thought the FBI chose the Sig 320? Drop test... |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:57:17 PM EDT
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The difference between 9mm HSTs and .40S&W HSTs is quite minimal. Well, except the 9mm has more capacity, less recoil, cheaper practice ammo and slightly more reliable guns. The straightwalled pistol caliber war is over. 9mm won. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9mm?!?!?!?!.............FUCKING PUSSIES!!! The difference between 9mm HSTs and .40S&W HSTs is quite minimal. Well, except the 9mm has more capacity, less recoil, cheaper practice ammo and slightly more reliable guns. The straightwalled pistol caliber war is over. 9mm won. IDK. On the one hand, the FBI has an extensively-justified and logically-supported argument in favor of the 9x19mm round, but I really would hate to be called a pussy.
Both arguments are so equally valid and supported, I don't know what to believe. Decisions, decisions... 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:05:05 PM EDT
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Go fire a CZ P-09. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. Go fire a CZ P-09. CZs break more than Glocks. Which would you rather maintain a fleet of? |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:06:02 PM EDT
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The difference between 9mm HSTs and .40S&W HSTs is quite minimal. Well, except the 9mm has more capacity, less recoil, cheaper practice ammo and slightly more reliable guns. The straightwalled pistol caliber war is over. 9mm won. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9mm?!?!?!?!.............FUCKING PUSSIES!!! The difference between 9mm HSTs and .40S&W HSTs is quite minimal. Well, except the 9mm has more capacity, less recoil, cheaper practice ammo and slightly more reliable guns. The straightwalled pistol caliber war is over. 9mm won. 9mm has a slight taper, I believe. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:07:02 PM EDT
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9mm has a slight taper, I believe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9mm?!?!?!?!.............FUCKING PUSSIES!!! The difference between 9mm HSTs and .40S&W HSTs is quite minimal. Well, except the 9mm has more capacity, less recoil, cheaper practice ammo and slightly more reliable guns. The straightwalled pistol caliber war is over. 9mm won. 9mm has a slight taper, I believe. It does. But it lacks a bottleneck. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:45:26 PM EDT
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Yet again, Glock 19 is the answer. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:53:33 PM EDT
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FUCK Glock!!
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:13:25 PM EDT
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FUCK Glock!! |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:21:46 PM EDT
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Solider Systems still defending Team Wendy? Fuck them. No click from me. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:36:06 PM EDT
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CZs break more than Glocks. Which would you rather maintain a fleet of? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. Go fire a CZ P-09. CZs break more than Glocks. Which would you rather maintain a fleet of? It's a lot easier to carry and use a glock than a p07, I can say from personal experience. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:38:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Solider Systems still defending Team Wendy? Fuck them. No click from me. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:43:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Standing by for Gen 4's without finger grooves. I will buy 4 Glock 19s as soon as they are released to the public. I love the way the Gen 4 19 fits my hand except for the finger grooves! I have a 17, but I'm sick of carrying full sized pistols. ETA> Yes Yes, I know the CZ P-07 is better in almost every way BUT one is severely hamstrung in the accessory department, and while I love CZ, it requires quite a bit more tools and knowledge to fix them vs a Glock.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:45:35 PM EDT
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. Go fire a CZ P-09. CZs break more than Glocks. Which would you rather maintain a fleet of? Whats the difference in MRBF between the two? |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go fire a CZ P-09. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. Go fire a CZ P-09. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats the difference in MRBF between the two? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. Go fire a CZ P-09. CZs break more than Glocks. Which would you rather maintain a fleet of? Whats the difference in MRBF between the two? Too hard to get info on the CZ, they haven't been around very long. Also, factor in the fact that you can fix just about any problem with a Glock that doesn't completely destroy the pistol with about $20 in parts and a toothpick. I've taken numerous CZs apart, they are not simple pistols, and parts can get expensive. FWIW I've seen a few glock 17s make it over 100K rounds with no more than a new recoil spring now and then. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:55:02 PM EDT
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. I don't even personally care for Glocks very much, but I wouldn't say you're wrong. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 12:05:18 AM EDT
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Too hard to get info on the CZ, they haven't been around very long. Also, factor in the fact that you can fix just about any problem with a Glock that doesn't completely destroy the pistol with about $20 in parts and a toothpick. I've taken numerous CZs apart, they are not simple pistols, and parts can get expensive. FWIW I've seen a few glock 17s make it over 100K rounds with no more than a new recoil spring now and then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. Go fire a CZ P-09. CZs break more than Glocks. Which would you rather maintain a fleet of? Whats the difference in MRBF between the two? Too hard to get info on the CZ, they haven't been around very long. Also, factor in the fact that you can fix just about any problem with a Glock that doesn't completely destroy the pistol with about $20 in parts and a toothpick. I've taken numerous CZs apart, they are not simple pistols, and parts can get expensive. FWIW I've seen a few glock 17s make it over 100K rounds with no more than a new recoil spring now and then. So you don't actually know they break more parts, you're just saying that because you prefer Glocks? I wouldn't be surprised at all if Glocks had better MRBS and MRBF numbers. But without actual testing it's impossible to say with any credibility that one is more reliable or more durable than the other. Even testing really only shows that one batch of pistols from one manufacturer is better than one batch from another. Small design changes or inconsistencies in manufacturing can cause huge variability in performance from one batch to another. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 12:39:45 AM EDT
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I don't even personally care for Glocks very much, but I wouldn't say you're wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. I don't even personally care for Glocks very much, but I wouldn't say you're wrong. It would certainly be an improvement over the Berettas |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 1:04:06 AM EDT
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I see some people posting about what pistols they personally like but there are so many militaries, agencies, and units around the world that have run tests and competitions and who have long histories of use proving the capability and viability of the Glock.
If a company wants to outsell the Glock they are going to need something that is game changing. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 1:18:26 AM EDT
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My dad bought one to have a cheap .40 the trigger pull is retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMHO there's nothing magical about glock, it's just they can be made dirt cheap, so FBI can get them cheaper than others  P320s can be made dirt cheap too. Glocks are just better. Everyone knows glock. That's good. Sig has programs that sell the 320 even cheaper than Glock to certain groups just to try to get them out there. Like crazy cheap. I passed on one simply because I couldn't guarantee myself that I wouldn't sell that POS ten minutes after I got it. My dad bought one to have a cheap .40 the trigger pull is retarded. No shit. I walked in to my local gun store and tried it out as a lot of people on here were saying it was the shit. The trigger sucks more than the glock, m&p, ppq and VP9/40. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 1:24:37 AM EDT
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It would certainly be an improvement over the Berettas Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. I don't even personally care for Glocks very much, but I wouldn't say you're wrong. It would certainly be an improvement over the Berettas Surplus BHPs would be better. At least the Germans designed the p38 with a well contoured slide mounted safety and decock so you wouldn't naturally put they safety back on when clearing a jam. The M9 is and will always be retarded. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 1:39:17 AM EDT
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Surplus BHPs would be better. At least the Germans designed the p38 with a well contoured slide mounted safety and decock so you wouldn't naturally put they safety back on when clearing a jam. The M9 is and will always be retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. I don't even personally care for Glocks very much, but I wouldn't say you're wrong. It would certainly be an improvement over the Berettas Surplus BHPs would be better. At least the Germans designed the p38 with a well contoured slide mounted safety and decock so you wouldn't naturally put they safety back on when clearing a jam. The M9 is and will always be retarded. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 1:44:35 AM EDT
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so much lol anger in here and this decision most likely effects not a single person on this board...
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Posted: 6/30/2016 1:56:48 AM EDT
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We have no surplus Brownings in storage at the arsenals. The M9 is a service pistol, hardly ever used unless it is MOS specific and those guys have rifles, which are far better than any pistol would be. There is no need to waste more taxpayer money just so a few fans of Gaston can see their precious in the hands of our troops just so they can see it as a prestige thing. A side-arm is all some of us get issued. It would be nice to have a better one. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:05:35 AM EDT
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A side-arm is all some of us get issued. It would be nice to have a better one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have no surplus Brownings in storage at the arsenals. The M9 is a service pistol, hardly ever used unless it is MOS specific and those guys have rifles, which are far better than any pistol would be. There is no need to waste more taxpayer money just so a few fans of Gaston can see their precious in the hands of our troops just so they can see it as a prestige thing. A side-arm is all some of us get issued. It would be nice to have a better one. We need more trigger time over a "better" service pistol. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:08:16 AM EDT
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Are they getting a special finger-grooveless model? The spec required no finger grooves. Gen 5? G17M? Either way I want one. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:09:26 AM EDT
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9mm?!?!?!?!.............FUCKING PUSSIES!!! 
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:10:00 AM EDT
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It's a lot easier to carry and use a glock than a p07, I can say from personal experience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. Go fire a CZ P-09. CZs break more than Glocks. Which would you rather maintain a fleet of? It's a lot easier to carry and use a glock than a p07, I can say from personal experience. Had a G19 and P07. Now I just have a G19. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:18:29 AM EDT
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Standing by for Gen 4's without finger grooves. It's called a Dremel and 5 minutes |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:18:48 AM EDT
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What was the FBI using previously? Glock fo tee |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:18:55 AM EDT
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Yet again, Glock 19 is the answer. It's always the answer. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:19:05 AM EDT
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Are they getting a special finger-grooveless model? The spec required no finger grooves. Gen 5? G17M? Either way I want one. Gen 5 is going to need standard optics mounting (including Aimpoint Micro). |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:20:02 AM EDT
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9mm has a slight taper, I believe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9mm?!?!?!?!.............FUCKING PUSSIES!!! The difference between 9mm HSTs and .40S&W HSTs is quite minimal. Well, except the 9mm has more capacity, less recoil, cheaper practice ammo and slightly more reliable guns. The straightwalled pistol caliber war is over. 9mm won. 9mm has a slight taper, I believe. That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:25:28 AM EDT
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so much lol anger in here and this decision most likely effects not a single person on this board... Actually, it may affect some of them I would think they might want the FBI to have the least reliable pistol Less chance of getting shot when their house/meth trailer gets raided
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:27:20 AM EDT
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Had a G19 and P07. Now I just have a G19. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Did it get stolen? Can you only afford 1 gun? Are you poor? |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:35:42 AM EDT
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Yet again, Glock 19 is the answer. It's always the answer. Amen! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 6:40:39 AM EDT
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That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9mm?!?!?!?!.............FUCKING PUSSIES!!! The difference between 9mm HSTs and .40S&W HSTs is quite minimal. Well, except the 9mm has more capacity, less recoil, cheaper practice ammo and slightly more reliable guns. The straightwalled pistol caliber war is over. 9mm won. 9mm has a slight taper, I believe. That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works Explain it then. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 6:45:44 AM EDT
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I think it's unfortunate that they went with three dot night sights. 2 dot over and under would be better. But what is interesting is that on page 14 of the solicitation, they specifically show a sight picture and point of impact at 25 yards that they require. Since my experience with Glocks is that the factory sight setup is a mess, I think that perhaps the FBI has come to the same conclusion and are determined to get it right out of the box.
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Posted: 6/30/2016 6:46:44 AM EDT
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I think it's unfortunate that they went with three dot night sights. 2 dot over and under would be better. But what is interesting is that on page 14 of the solicitation, they specifically show a sight picture and point of impact at 25 yards that they require. Since my experience with Glocks is that the factory sight setup is a mess, I think that perhaps the FBI has come to the same conclusion and are determined to get it right out of the box. With 3-dots, it's much easier to actually align the sights at night. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 7:00:04 AM EDT
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With 3-dots, it's much easier to actually align the sights at night. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it's unfortunate that they went with three dot night sights. 2 dot over and under would be better. But what is interesting is that on page 14 of the solicitation, they specifically show a sight picture and point of impact at 25 yards that they require. Since my experience with Glocks is that the factory sight setup is a mess, I think that perhaps the FBI has come to the same conclusion and are determined to get it right out of the box. With 3-dots, it's much easier to actually align the sights at night. Granted, so long as there is a difference in color or intensity between the front and rear. Otherwise, in my experience, the jumble of dots takes a couple of extra beats to sort out. I find over and under aligns more naturally and quickly. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 7:01:00 AM EDT
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Whats the difference in MRBF between the two? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock is the best general issue pistol currently on the market. Unless someone can show a very valid reason otherwise I think the Army should go to Glocks. Go fire a CZ P-09. CZs break more than Glocks. Which would you rather maintain a fleet of? Whats the difference in MRBF between the two? I don't know, do you? It doesn't matter, which is more complex? Which one does my friends whom compete break regularly? Which one requires more armorer training? Which one has more parts in the design? Which one is cheaper? Which one is the most simple? This isn't rocket surgery. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 7:05:05 AM EDT
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Solider Systems still defending Team Wendy? Fawk them. No click from me. Add Opt Planet too. eta DO NOT CLICK! |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 7:09:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Solider Systems still defending Team Wendy? Fuck them. No click from me. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 7:11:04 AM EDT
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hmmm...So will we be seeing 2k+ FBI contract Glocks?
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