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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:10:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to go to bed, so I'll try to write something more in depth tomorrow. But a parting thought: people comparing the collapse of Weimar Germany and the rise of Nazism to anything going on in America right now don't have a damn clue just exactly how bad things were in Germany from 1918 on. Not a damn clue. Our politics, debt, leaders, etc are all certainly fucked. But comparatively, we're writing at a 3rd grade level in being fucked, and pre Nazi Germany was writing multiple post doc theses on the subject. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:15:02 AM EDT
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The Germans and the Japanese each had too much excess energy. They didn't have anywhere to focus it, so they just starting making war all over the place. We eventually shut them down, but they still have all of that energy. It's now controlled as the Germans have focused on a poop fascination and the Japanese with panty dispensing vending machines. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:19:12 AM EDT
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The Germans and the Japanese each had too much excess energy. They didn't have anywhere to focus it, so they just starting making war all over the place. We eventually shut them down, but they still have all of that energy. It's now controlled as the Germans have focused on a poop fascination and the Japanese with panty dispensing vending machines. At this point I think the tentacle porn is the only thing holding the Japanese in check. Once they get jaded by that... watch out. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:37:52 AM EDT
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At this point I think the tentacle porn is the only thing holding the Japanese in check. Once they get jaded by that... watch out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Germans and the Japanese each had too much excess energy. They didn't have anywhere to focus it, so they just starting making war all over the place. We eventually shut them down, but they still have all of that energy. It's now controlled as the Germans have focused on a poop fascination and the Japanese with panty dispensing vending machines. At this point I think the tentacle porn is the only thing holding the Japanese in check. Once they get jaded by that... watch out. Don't forget the used panty vending machines. As long as the panties keep flowing, they will stay calm. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:40:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: As cultured as it was, as educated as it was, as apparently civilized as it was just how did it happen? How did it become as insane, mad, deranged, demented, crazed and depraved as it did? What does it say about other cultures? Other countries? Us in general? |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:47:19 AM EDT
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First, you have a fight, and lose, a horrifically catastrophic war, the armistice terms of which utterly gut what remains of your political systems, industry, and economy. You need to have a population full of embittered veterans who feel like they were stabbed in the back by various political factions in the society, which the veterans think cost them them the war. This needs to happen while your nearby neighbor is in the throes of a communist revolution. Your economy has to be totally fucked, with little hope of turning it around. Then all you need is a demagogue, some public works projects, goose-stepping classes, a bit of nudism, a traditional scapegoat, and some on-time trains, and presto, you'll be rolling panzers through Poland in no time. And a terrible epidemic that killed more than 400,000 people, and a horrible financial crisis with hyperinflation that wiped out the middle class. The German people basically went collectively insane from nearly 20 years of horribleness and were willing to follow anyone who promised to make things better. Some drifted towards the Communists, but the establishment backed the NAZI party as being the lesser of the two evils. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:47:56 AM EDT
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They are doing it again. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:49:45 AM EDT
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I guess, as was borne out by the Milgram experiments. but even there you had a percentage refuse and tell the examiner to fuck off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Germany wasn't an anomaly. Look up the Assyrians, the first known empire, and their brutality. They weren't as different from us as pop culture would have you believe. Humanity has murdered, raped, tortured and enslaved its way through history, and the only difference with German is industrialization. Had you given poison gas, impressive uniforms, and railroads to Tamerlane, his genocides would have likely looked about the same. Horrific things are in every person, even those of us who are supposedly civilized, and it doesn't take much beyond an authority figure saying it's okay to bring that out. I guess, as was borne out by the Milgram experiments. but even there you had a percentage refuse and tell the examiner to fuck off. The same thing happened in Germany, there are quite a few stories of Germans doing the right thing and helping minorities escape. Not all of them went psychotic and inhumane. The relatively short amount of time and the pictures are what make the holocaust seem like such an anomaly, in my opinion. We don't have photos of the Mongols annihilating cities, and no one alive can even really understand what that would have looked like. There are people, however, who lived through places like Auschwitz and Buchenwald still with us today. I have a neighbor who is a German Jew who lived through the holocaust. Of course, this isn't to say the holocaust wasn't horrible, or didn't happen or whatever dumb shit like that someone's going to accuse me of saying. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:54:41 AM EDT
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They are doing it again. Looks like they ans the rest of Europe and the Dems want to commit suicede by importing the ROP |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:00:23 AM EDT
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OP is furiously fapping to the thought that the USA is the next Nazi Germany.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:04:34 AM EDT
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The Germans and the Japanese each had too much excess energy. They didn't have anywhere to focus it, so they just starting making war all over the place. We eventually shut them down, but they still have all of that energy. It's now controlled as the Germans have focused on a poop fascination and the Japanese with panty dispensing vending machines. 
You win the internets for tonight! |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:07:59 AM EDT
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Many have noticed that Germany seems to be going bat shit crazy again.
Reference 1: Letting hostile and low quality foreigners into Germany. Reference 2: Giving money to a hostile nation, Greece. Reference 3: Electing politicians who are hostile to Germany and hostile to civilization and are just plain dumb. Lastly, about German intelligence, look at the reliability and repair expenses of Audi, VW, BMW and Mercedes. These are not intelligent products. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:16:00 AM EDT
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So, in other words, it could happen to any nation. That doesn't quite cut it in my book. They willingly sold themselves to a pack of criminals, and willingly died for that pack of criminals? Doesn't make sense. It can happen everywhere in anytime. If the state replaces morality, or defines morality in conjunction with the church, then the most heinous of acts may be made lawful. If lawful, than an act may become duty. If an act is required by duty, then it is expected. Look at the Soviets, millions murdered in the name of the state. In this case, the duty is service to the state. Look at abortion, the moral consequences have been removed. The medical consequences are limited. Public policy defines it as, if not quite good,than a neutral act.* But if you look at a sonogram at the end of the first trimester it is clearly a human life. There was nothing special about Germany. There was nothing special about Chile. There was nothing special about the Soviets. Is there something special about U.S.? *I'd argue that policy defines it as a good/positive act. But I really don't want to get bogged down in an abortion discussion. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:18:30 AM EDT
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So, in other words, it could happen to any nation. That doesn't quite cut it in my book. They willingly sold themselves to a pack of criminals, and willingly died for that pack of criminals? Doesn't make sense. They didn't see it that way. Germany made an effort to pay the World War Ireparations. They also wanted to rebuild Germany, which would have ensured that they could pay the claims. Their economy was awful. They fought and lost a huge war as well as their colonies. They also screwed their economy and later made the damage worse. The hyperinflation was largely their own doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic They defaulted on the reparation payments numerous times. They argued that they couldn't afford the resource allocations. England argued that they should reduce the payments. France argued that the payments were based on German estimates of German production. France had a point, especially since most of the destruction in western Europe happened in France. They also argued that if they let Germany get away with treaty violations in the payments, Germany would violate the other parts of the treaty and there would be another war. In 1923, France occupied the Ruhr Valley. That really pissed off the Germans. Some of them resisted. The French killed some of them. Socialism, fascism, anti-Semitism, and communism made the rounds in the 1920s. Euthanasia and eugenics were also viewed as "scientific" solutions to poverty and social discord. Germany lost most of the Polish territory that was controlled by Prussia. They kept Upper Silesia, which had a large number of Poles and revolted. After the third one, the League of Nations divided Upper Silesia between Poland and Germany. Amidst all this, Hitler discovered the German Workers Party in 1919 and became its secretary in 1921. The Beer Hall Putsch happened in late 1923. Hitler and Rudolph Hess sat in jail writing Mein Kampf in 1924 and France recognized the Soviet Union. Germany had its share of commies and commie problems and that was a kick in the ass to them. All of these things, plus much more, made it very easy for Hitler to become a national power. ETA - Jealousy was also a factor. Lebensraum was nothing more than that. Japan got rid of the used panty machines several years ago. Pearl Harbor may have to go on alert. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:23:11 AM EDT
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I've been wondering, what or why was there such a difference between German communists and German National Socialists? Just the nationalism?
Socialist = on the road to Communism, to me. Communism being complete gov't control over industry, what to produce and how to price it. Also, German industry led to the slaughter of 11 million Jews, gypsies, gays, handicapped, and all others. Modern 2016, a 1st world country, would kill a BILLION people. Enemies would be everywhere for an authoritarian regime, plus all electronic records. Death to tyranny, whoever and whatever it is. 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:25:02 AM EDT
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So, in other words, it could happen to any nation. That doesn't quite cut it in my book. They willingly sold themselves to a pack of criminals, and willingly died for that pack of criminals? Doesn't make sense. Consider that Germany, a very proud nation with an ancient tradition of warrior-nationalism, was stripped of its national pride. Consider that it was in the throes of the Great Depression, and that because of the Treaty of Versailles, that depression was made far worst than other countries experienced. Consider that there was massive degradation of traditional mores. Now comes along someone who says "It's not our fault! The fault lies with the Jews! IT'S THE FAULT OF THE JEWS! Also Bolsheviks, xxx, yyy and ZZZ. Also Roosevelt. And Chamberlain. France and England are at fault. NO ONE is at fault in Germany, it's ALL THOSE OTHER EVIL BASTARDS! Now here's the plan: I'm going to renege on our war debts and start building a national Army and Navy that we can be proud of. I'm going to take over the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts and re-shape them into the image I approve of. I'm going to train our youth to be absolutely devoted to the country. And then we, together, will make the other bastards PAY for what they did TO US!" It was inevitable. If it wasn't Hitler, it'd be someone else. Possibly, someone else who had a better sense of wartime strategy, of peacetime diplomacy, who would live up to his commitments instead of launching an Eastern Front on a neighbor who would destroy him. If Germany had waited just five years to launch Operation Barbarossa, built up hts strength on the sea and on the land... it would have fared very badly. If it'd waited to attack Poland and France for five years, while lulling the American public into complacency... I shudder to think what it would have achieved. Imagine Dunkirk under V1 and V2 attack. eta I think that the worst day of Hitler's life was the best day of Churchill's. December 7, 1941. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:45:50 AM EDT
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It can happen everywhere in anytime. If the state replaces morality, or defines morality in conjunction with the church, then the most heinous of acts may be made lawful. If lawful, than an act may become duty. If an act is required by duty, then it is expected. Look at the Soviets, millions murdered in the name of the state. In this case, the duty is service to the state. Look at abortion, the moral consequences have been removed. The medical consequences are limited. Public policy defines it as, if not quite good,than a neutral act.* But if you look at a sonogram at the end of the first trimester it is clearly a human life. There was nothing special about Germany. There was nothing special about Chile. There was nothing special about the Soviets. Is there something special about U.S.? *I'd argue that policy defines it as a good/positive act. But I really don't want to get bogged down in an abortion discussion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, in other words, it could happen to any nation. That doesn't quite cut it in my book. They willingly sold themselves to a pack of criminals, and willingly died for that pack of criminals? Doesn't make sense. It can happen everywhere in anytime. If the state replaces morality, or defines morality in conjunction with the church, then the most heinous of acts may be made lawful. If lawful, than an act may become duty. If an act is required by duty, then it is expected. Look at the Soviets, millions murdered in the name of the state. In this case, the duty is service to the state. Look at abortion, the moral consequences have been removed. The medical consequences are limited. Public policy defines it as, if not quite good,than a neutral act.* But if you look at a sonogram at the end of the first trimester it is clearly a human life. There was nothing special about Germany. There was nothing special about Chile. There was nothing special about the Soviets. Is there something special about U.S.? *I'd argue that policy defines it as a good/positive act. But I really don't want to get bogged down in an abortion discussion. This above post is getting more toward the core of what happened to the german people. Everything else is peripheral. You have to look at what was being taught in the three primary institutions of 1920's-1930's Germany: the homes, the schools, and the churches. They basically denied their inner moral compass of right and wrong. Turned a cold heart away from it and embraced moral relativism. “You have your way, I have my way. As for the right way, it does not exist.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:49:17 AM EDT
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Follow up question: Why are they (specifically Merkel) doing what they are doing today? It's a pendulum. They go from murdering people wholesale back in the '40s to overcompensating to absurd proportions by taking in every third worlder they can find. Eventually the pendulum will swing back. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:53:49 AM EDT
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So, in other words, it could happen to any nation. That doesn't quite cut it in my book. They willingly sold themselves to a pack of criminals, and willingly died for that pack of criminals? Doesn't make sense. Lol! Look at our own political landscape, it's full of charlatans that sell us out on a daily basis, our President constantly caters to our enemies while insulting our allies, and don't get me started on the presidential race...... It could happen anywhere, with the right political climate, and the right agitator(s). |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:57:52 AM EDT
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The Nazis didn't invent genocide, it's been going on for thousands of years - though it's usually not official policy. The Nazis simply did it recently, to white people, and kept really nice records.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 3:01:29 AM EDT
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could be said of every human. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Inside every German is a monster just waiting to come out" Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile could be said of every human. Yep. All it takes is power over others, with no accountability for your actions. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 3:08:14 AM EDT
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It took a lot of horrible circumstances to turn Germany and Russia into savagery. Many others turn savage easily, like it is the natural state of uncivilized man.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:07:45 AM EDT
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OP is furiously fapping to the thought that the USA is the next Nazi Germany. Nope, probably just projection on your part. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:10:09 AM EDT
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In before the Jews did this gif.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:12:41 AM EDT
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The Nazis didn't invent genocide, it's been going on for thousands of years - though it's usually not official policy. The Nazis simply did it recently, to white people, and kept really nice records. and scientifically mechanized it of course. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:29:20 AM EDT
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People are tribal. The vast majority identify as something and want/need to belong to something. Very effective propaganda efforts pushed the message of National Socialists as "saviors," "protectors," and "guardians." These are powerful and alluring messages. When the tribal identity is sufficiently strong, the idea that "'Others' and 'They' are threatening 'We' and 'Us'" becomes very easy to propagate.
Further, eugenics were accepted as reasonable science by many at the time. Parents of special needs children in the 1930s were convinced to give their children up to the German state for treatment at church hospitals. The idea that special needs children would be happier dead than living gradually became accepted as truth for some, while others were willing to believe that "defectives" regretfully had to be removed for the good of future generations. Thousands of children were killed by the state. When the idea of tribal protection is introduced to the idea of state-sanctioned killing for that same purpose, something incomprehensible to us becomes possible. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:29:59 AM EDT
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The Jews were blocking the fast lane, and drove the Germans to violence.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:31:20 AM EDT
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They are doing it again. Shit, it's happening here. HillAry is a complete fascist with serious blind followers. Add in the brainwashing of generations of kids in school. Txl |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:39:07 AM EDT
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So, in other words, it could happen to any nation. That doesn't quite cut it in my book. They willingly sold themselves to a pack of criminals, and willingly died for that pack of criminals? Doesn't make sense. Yes, it could happen to any nation in the right circumstances. Your book don't mean shit. We willingly sell ourselves to a pack of criminals every four years. We're just lucky that our criminals only want money. And they didn't go willingly die for that pack of criminals; they willingly died for their country. Something I guess no one but Germans would do? |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:39:30 AM EDT
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It's the end state of progressive thinking. Ultimately, if you believe that there is a utopia and that humans are perfectable, then you will subvert indvidual rights, all past morality, and ultimately all that is good in order to reach that utopia. Conversely, if you don't believe in human utopias and perfectability, then you want checks and balances on power and avoiding centralization of power. There really are only 2 types of state: Those that accept that humans are not perfect, and thus have rule of law, and those who believe humans can be perfect, and thus have rule of men. there's actually a third state built on subjugating others for personal gain of the ruling class - they could care less if humans are perfect or can be perfected. They rule for the power of it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:40:31 AM EDT
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It all started with the phrase...."We must do something"....."for the children"....
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:40:47 AM EDT
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dude you're watching the same thing here right now. Our country has lost it's damn mind. half the country is already there. Just look at the various movements, like BLM. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:42:56 AM EDT
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I have to go to bed, so I'll try to write something more in depth tomorrow. But a parting thought: people comparing the collapse of Weimar Germany and the rise of Nazism to anything going on in America right now don't have a damn clue just exactly how bad things were in Germany from 1918 on. Not a damn clue. Our politics, debt, leaders, etc are all certainly fucked. But comparatively, we're writing at a 3rd grade level in being fucked, and pre Nazi Germany was writing multiple post doc theses on the subject. anything we come up with here in the U.S. will not be on a par with the Natzi's, but that doesn't mean it can't be pretty bad here. I see balkanization and civil wars more than genocide or world conquest. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:46:10 AM EDT
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Pervitin. The whole country and military was hooked on it.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:48:43 AM EDT
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It really boils down to the Milgram experiment.
People do as they are told by perceived positions of power and intelligence. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:50:44 AM EDT
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Europe was already chock full of people who hated Jews. Then you throw in fascists and commies, unions, monarchists, and various other political factions coupled with economic strife, it creates an atmosphere where a guy can claim to be the answer and ride a tidal wave of desperation into history.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:52:33 AM EDT
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Hungry poor people do stupid shit; we may be figuring that one out soon for ourselves.....again.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:55:24 AM EDT
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Are you implying there is no hope for us then? Our debt is so much greater. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First, you have a fight, and lose, a horrifically catastrophic war, the armistice terms of which utterly gut what remains of your political systems, industry, and economy. You need to have a population full of embittered veterans who feel like they were stabbed in the back by various political factions in the society, which the veterans think cost them them the war. This needs to happen while your nearby neighbor is in the throes of a communist revolution. Your economy has to be totally fucked, with little hope of turning it around. Then all you need is a demagogue, some public works projects, goose-stepping classes, a bit of nudism, a traditional scapegoat, and some on-time trains, and presto, you'll be rolling panzers through Poland in no time. This ams a good description. The debt portion is pretty good too. When you are paying factory workers per day because inflation is so bad that you can't wait until the end of the week, you have problems. Are you implying there is no hope for us then? Our debt is so much greater. Our debt is internal. We don't owe other people all that much money. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:57:38 AM EDT
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You call it psychotic, I call it pretty normal, historically speaking. Just that the times they did it in were technological, and therefor more spectacularly impactful.
Killing people of this group or that is nothing new. Invading your neighbors is nothing new. Doing it with specialized camps and panzers and whatnot is what was new. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:58:37 AM EDT
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As cultured as it was, as educated as it was, as apparently civilized as it was just how did it happen? How did it become as insane, mad, deranged, demented, crazed and depraved as it did? What does it say about other cultures? Other countries? Us in general? One man's hero is another man's tyrant. Meh. I'm not going to say they were right, I'm not going to say they were wrong. They did what they thought was in their best interest. We responded in a manner we thought was in our best interest. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:00:14 AM EDT
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I have to go to bed, so I'll try to write something more in depth tomorrow. But a parting thought: people comparing the collapse of Weimar Germany and the rise of Nazism to anything going on in America right now don't have a damn clue just exactly how bad things were in Germany from 1918 on. Not a damn clue. Our politics, debt, leaders, etc are all certainly fucked. But comparatively, we're writing at a 3rd grade level in being fucked, and pre Nazi Germany was writing multiple post doc theses on the subject. You seem to be arguing that something like that can't / won't happen until the bad reaches a certain level. The thing is, it can happen before it reaches that certain level. With the right variables and stimulus it can happen much sooner than people think. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:02:09 AM EDT
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Lots of good points have been made already in this thread. I'll throw one more into the mix - blind nationalism.
People feel justified doing a lot of heinous shit due to a combination of government propaganda and an overwhelming sense that your country and your people surely must be doing things the right way. Blind nationalism is just as dangerous here in present day USA as it was in Nazi Germany. We all need to take a step back from time to time and try to view our actions in an unbiased manner, to the extent that we can. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:39:33 AM EDT
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You seem to be arguing that something like that can't / won't happen until the bad reaches a certain level. The thing is, it can happen before it reaches that certain level. With the right variables and stimulus it can happen much sooner than people think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have to go to bed, so I'll try to write something more in depth tomorrow. But a parting thought: people comparing the collapse of Weimar Germany and the rise of Nazism to anything going on in America right now don't have a damn clue just exactly how bad things were in Germany from 1918 on. Not a damn clue. Our politics, debt, leaders, etc are all certainly fucked. But comparatively, we're writing at a 3rd grade level in being fucked, and pre Nazi Germany was writing multiple post doc theses on the subject. You seem to be arguing that something like that can't / won't happen until the bad reaches a certain level. The thing is, it can happen before it reaches that certain level. With the right variables and stimulus it can happen much sooner than people think. I think it is not off-on but rather a case of creeping incrementalism. On day one, Hitler did not say let’s kill all the Jews and Gays and Jehovah Witnesses’ and Gypsy’s then burn their bodies. Rather he said we must remove the undesirables from society. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:49:02 AM EDT
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I think it is not off-on but rather a case of creeping incrementalism. On day one, Hitler did not say let’s kill all the Jews and Gays and Jehovah Witnesses’ and Gypsy’s then burn their bodies. Rather he said we must remove the undesirables from society. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have to go to bed, so I'll try to write something more in depth tomorrow. But a parting thought: people comparing the collapse of Weimar Germany and the rise of Nazism to anything going on in America right now don't have a damn clue just exactly how bad things were in Germany from 1918 on. Not a damn clue. Our politics, debt, leaders, etc are all certainly fucked. But comparatively, we're writing at a 3rd grade level in being fucked, and pre Nazi Germany was writing multiple post doc theses on the subject. You seem to be arguing that something like that can't / won't happen until the bad reaches a certain level. The thing is, it can happen before it reaches that certain level. With the right variables and stimulus it can happen much sooner than people think. I think it is not off-on but rather a case of creeping incrementalism. On day one, Hitler did not say let’s kill all the Jews and Gays and Jehovah Witnesses’ and Gypsy’s then burn their bodies. Rather he said we must remove the undesirables from society. Understood. But we have a tendency to in effect say, " nothing will happen until it reaches this level because in the past it had to reach this level for it to happen." Now if we are boiling water or waiting for the coffee to perc, no problem. I'm just saying, bad things can happen faster than anyone might think given the right stimuli. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:58:57 AM EDT
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The recipe for German expansionism:
1. Lose a big war to people you consider your lesser. 2. Lose faith in God and religion. 3. Lose faith in diplomatic fairness. 4. Be ordered by treaty to go from an industrial and cultural power to a simple agrarian state. 5. Be told by an insider that it wasn't your fault. 6. Demonize 5th columnists because you can not grasp that an outside party in face-to-face combat beat you. It was an inside, back stabbing instead. 7. Lose face in the world especially to your neighbors that you hate. 8. Hear a message that you are really awesome and will be awesome again if you will only listen to the lectures and buy the book. 9. Elect a Santa Claus/Odin/Krampus that promises to heal all your ills. 10. Start to feel real good about yourself. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:02:28 PM EDT
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So, in other words, it could happen to any nation. That doesn't quite cut it in my book. They willingly sold themselves to a pack of criminals, and willingly died for that pack of criminals? Doesn't make sense. It's also important to understand that the anti-jewish sentiment was NOT limited to Germany... it was prevelent in pretty much EVERY country. In fact, the US refused entry to an entire shipload of refugees. They were forced to return to Germany, where most died in the camps. The Germans simply took it farther than anyone else.... and the western nations didn't care until they couldn't ignore it anymore (liberation of the camps). |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:05:01 PM EDT
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This. Also snappy uniforms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First, you have a fight, and lose, a horrifically catastrophic war, the armistice terms of which utterly gut what remains of your political systems, industry, and economy. You need to have a population full of embittered veterans who feel like they were stabbed in the back by various political factions in the society, which the veterans think cost them them the war. This needs to happen while your nearby neighbor is in the throes of a communist revolution. Your economy has to be totally fucked, with little hope of turning it around. Them all you need is a demagogue, some public works projects, goose-stepping classes, a bit of nudism, a traditional scapegoat, and some on-time trains, and presto, you'll be rolling panzers through Poland in no time. This. Also snappy uniforms. Yes. And very snappy. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:07:23 PM EDT
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So, in other words, it could happen to any nation. That doesn't quite cut it in my book. They willingly sold themselves to a pack of criminals, and willingly died for that pack of criminals? Doesn't make sense. People can be easily influenced,throw in a willing accomplice like the media and education system and there you go Just like we are doing now |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:08:52 PM EDT
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Honestly I see the ingredients to bake several batches of fascism in present day Europe.
You need a heavy dose of nationalism to be able to fight enemies that live across the street. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:09:32 PM EDT
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People can be easily influenced,throw in a willing accomplice like the media and education system and there you go Just like we are doing now Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, in other words, it could happen to any nation. That doesn't quite cut it in my book. They willingly sold themselves to a pack of criminals, and willingly died for that pack of criminals? Doesn't make sense. People can be easily influenced,throw in a willing accomplice like the media and education system and there you go Just like we are doing now What some are forgetting is the rampant militarism that was quite common in that era of European society. |
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