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Posted: 6/27/2016 11:10:05 PM EDT
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I came home from a work trip, to find our street lined with fire/rescue/police cars. I pull onto my front yard because their is an ambulance in my driveway and run into the house. It ends up the baby got a hold of a small ibuprofen and my wife freaked out. After the paperwork the police pull me aside when I went I to get something out of my truck to ask if the front room was my study, if I was previously in the service, and if the firearm laying against the wall was real or airsoft (its an airsoft AR-15). The doors to my office are always closed. My sister in law said that the police went into every room in my house and into the basement. It really makes me want to call 911 again when they go on a felony hunt because we called for emergency medical help. Sure, they were doing it for "safety", but you know damn well that for calling medical help, was also opening my house to a full search without any warrant or consent. My wife was completely happy at the fire rescue, but very pissed that the police felt the need to do a top to bottom search when they were called for a pill ingestion/possible choking infant. She will always be apprehensive about calling for now on, job well done. Flame away blue line, flame away, I see the problem, it's initials are NY. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 12:26:32 AM EDT
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Called 911 three times for emergency medical and never had any issue.
First time was for myself when spinal fluid was leaking out of my skull in FL. EMS only arrived. Second was for a neighbor that was unconscious on the floor. EMS only arrived. Third was for my mother. EMS only arrived. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 12:27:20 AM EDT
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I see it all the time here in WI especially in smaller towns where Fire/EMS are volunteer based or are contracted out of a place further away and a officer or deputy is closer than a rescue unit. YMMV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why were the police there in the first place? Police are routinely dispatched to fire and rescue calls. In Detroit maybe. I've never seen it. I see it all the time here in WI especially in smaller towns where Fire/EMS are volunteer based or are contracted out of a place further away and a officer or deputy is closer than a rescue unit. YMMV. Yup, LE will get there before ems. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 12:47:31 AM EDT
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Move OP, seriously don't support those dickbags with your tax dollars.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 1:11:00 AM EDT
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Move OP, seriously don't support those dickbags with your tax dollars.  OST.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 1:22:31 AM EDT
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As someone who has been in LE for 21 years, that seems like an illegal search to me. I've responded with EMS numerous times,but it's usually because they've either requested police assistance because of past history or I'm closer and can start aid before they arrive. But it have never conducted a search described by the OP. Maybe I misunderstood the 4th Amendment regarding unlawful search and seizure. Then again, unfortunately the OP is in NY and it is a screwed up place. You got your yearly post in. It was a 2/10 Where is your god now? |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 1:32:32 AM EDT
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Just to see if you had any guns that weren't on your papers comrade.
That's how it works up there right? Only difference between about New York and Moscow is that arfcom doesn't slobber de Blasios dick while they seem to want Putin bearback. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 1:33:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OST.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Move OP, seriously don't support those dickbags with your tax dollars. OST. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 1:44:10 AM EDT
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In many cities police are the EMS first responders and get dispatched in tandem with the ambulance on all 9-1-1 medical calls. In other cities the fire department is the EMS first responder entity, but police (also trained as first responders) get dispatcher on certain medical calls (like pediatric emergencies, cardiac arrests, etc.). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why were the police there in the first place? Pretty much this.. I was a dispatcher and when I take the 911 call and drop it into the system, LE gets it along with whatever asset I am sending. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:30:30 AM EDT
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my ex-gf had her car stolen when she lived in Brooklyn. 2 cops came over to take a report and they also went into every room of the apt and even looked through drawers  NYPD made a housecall to take a stolen vehicle report? I'm calling shenanigans on this one. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:45:23 AM EDT
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NYPD made a housecall to take a stolen vehicle report? I'm calling shenanigans on this one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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my ex-gf had her car stolen when she lived in Brooklyn. 2 cops came over to take a report and they also went into every room of the apt and even looked through drawers NYPD made a housecall to take a stolen vehicle report? I'm calling shenanigans on this one. Huh? We got those calls all the time. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:50:14 AM EDT
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NY gonna NY.
Also don't be surprised if you get child services knocking on you door next. Doesn't NY require guns to be locked away? Had that been a real AR you probably would have walked way with cuffs too. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:53:59 AM EDT
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When a person calls 911 they give up all rights of privacy from my experience. Times I've done it I have met the police outside the house and staid outside the house. Same with fire dept. they get on scene they control you and where you are permitted to go or access your property. Consequently only dial 911 in a true emergency.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:56:21 AM EDT
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What county? Was it Nassau, Suffolk or Westchester If it was NYC I think op would have been arrested as I'm pretty sure air soft guns are illegal there. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:58:51 AM EDT
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Why were the police there in the first place? Police are routinely dispatched to fire and rescue calls. Why? The officers are already on the road in their cars. They typically get to the emergency faster to help stabilize the situation until Fire/EMS get there. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:03:10 AM EDT
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Was it Nassau, Suffolk or Westchester If it was NYC I think op would have been arrested as I'm pretty sure air soft guns are illegal there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What county? Was it Nassau, Suffolk or Westchester If it was NYC I think op would have been arrested as I'm pretty sure air soft guns are illegal there. Air soft guns are illegal!!??
You are joking right? |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:11:12 AM EDT
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Move to Kentucky OP. You can leave a real AR15 with a drum mag sitting out next to you in your front seat of your car. If you get pulled over the police officer will probably just say "sweet gun, brah"
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:22:34 AM EDT
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Air soft guns are illegal!!??
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What county? Was it Nassau, Suffolk or Westchester If it was NYC I think op would have been arrested as I'm pretty sure air soft guns are illegal there. Air soft guns are illegal!!??
You are joking right? Everything free America likes is illegal in NYC. NYC requires all realistic toy or imitation firearms be made of clear or brightly colored plastics.[66] Furthermore, New York City makes possession of any pistol or rifle or similar instrument in which the propelling force is a spring or air unlawful without a license. See New York City Administrative Code § 10-131(b) and New York City Administrative Code § 10-131(g)(1)(a).[67] |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:29:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The officers are already on the road in their cars. They typically get to the emergency faster to help stabilize the situation until Fire/EMS get there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why were the police there in the first place? Police are routinely dispatched to fire and rescue calls. Why? The officers are already on the road in their cars. They typically get to the emergency faster to help stabilize the situation until Fire/EMS get there. to be fair although I heard that from a police officer there was a State Trooper who saved a guy at the State Fair a few years ago with one of those electric cpr things-also found a legal pistol on the guy, took it and gave it back to the guy when he got out of the hospital |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:34:01 AM EDT
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To be fair though, I heard that from a police officer there was a State Trooper who saved a guy at the State Fair a few years ago with one of those electric cpr things-also found a legal pistol on the guy, took it and gave it back to the guy when he got out of the hospital 
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:35:59 AM EDT
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I came home from a work trip, to find our street lined with fire/rescue/police cars. I pull onto my front yard because their is an ambulance in my driveway and run into the house. It ends up the baby got a hold of a small ibuprofen and my wife freaked out. After the paperwork the police pull me aside when I went I to get something out of my truck to ask if the front room was my study, if I was previously in the service, and if the firearm laying against the wall was real or airsoft (its an airsoft AR-15). The doors to my office are always closed. My sister in law said that the police went into every room in my house and into the basement. It really makes me want to call 911 again when they go on a felony hunt because we called for emergency medical help. Sure, they were doing it for "safety", but you know damn well that for calling medical help, was also opening my house to a full search without any warrant or consent. My wife was completely happy at the fire rescue, but very pissed that the police felt the need to do a top to bottom search when they were called for a pill ingestion/possible choking infant. She will always be apprehensive about calling for now on, job well done. Flame away blue line, flame away, So what did they say when you asked them why they were going through your house, and why they responded in the first place since a baby swallowing an ibuprofen is not a 1st responder's issue? |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:36:28 AM EDT
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Airsoft, it's a MOFO! Good thing it wasn't cardboard. 
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:48:19 AM EDT
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................. Everything free America likes is illegal in NYC. NYC requires all realistic toy or imitation firearms be made of clear or brightly colored plastics.[66] Furthermore, New York City makes possession of any pistol or rifle or similar instrument in which the propelling force is a spring or air unlawful without a license. See New York City Administrative Code § 10-131(b) and New York City Administrative Code § 10-131(g)(1)(a).[67] MY GOD!! 
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:25:22 AM EDT
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A home resident should be able to ask LE responders to remain outside while the medical situation is handled by EMS. Keep the door closed or close the door after EMS enters, then speak to LE after the EMS leaves. This would be difficult if the situation was severe or intense, or the caller was in panic mode.
If you have the presence of mind to refuse their entry/don't need their help, what could the on scene LE do (not talking about EMS)? Kick your door in or taze you in your doorway? Or wait? |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:26:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:37:01 AM EDT
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Tagged for CPS visits.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:50:40 AM EDT
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I wonder if every room in your house was subject to plain view? Am I using the phrase correctly? Of course it is. Once you go into a house,open the doors,walk in and use your flashlight to search around,things are generally in plain view. If you want to see panties and pistols just open the drawers. Then they are in plain view as well. If you snap a few pics with your phone of massagers in the drawers you can probably show your friends the items in plain view also. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 12:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should they be searching the home as well? Especially when it's a readily apparent issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why were the police there in the first place? Police are routinely dispatched to fire and rescue calls. Should they be searching the home as well? Especially when it's a readily apparent issue. Read this: http://www.mintpressnews.com/two-recent-supreme-court-decisions-nullify-constitutional-rights/217799/ The 4th Amendment has been practically dissolved. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 1:40:42 PM EDT
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they would be plenty safe if they stayed at the cop shop or dunkin donuts Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Officer safety is the excuse So would we; they could actually be found when needed. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 1:51:30 PM EDT
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You think the cops screwed you over....wait till you get the ambulance bill!
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Posted: 6/28/2016 7:39:57 PM EDT
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'Hold on buddy, the ambulance is coming" [lights cigarette] to be fair although I heard that from a police officer there was a State Trooper who saved a guy at the State Fair a few years ago with one of those electric cpr things-also found a legal pistol on the guy, took it and gave it back to the guy when he got out of the hospital Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why were the police there in the first place? Police are routinely dispatched to fire and rescue calls. Why? The officers are already on the road in their cars. They typically get to the emergency faster to help stabilize the situation until Fire/EMS get there. to be fair although I heard that from a police officer there was a State Trooper who saved a guy at the State Fair a few years ago with one of those electric cpr things-also found a legal pistol on the guy, took it and gave it back to the guy when he got out of the hospital Most Leo in MN are first responders, even without that we can get an accurate account of the situation (what happened, condition of the patient, accurate location/directions). The account relayed to 911 is almost never accurate. Victims are often not RIGHT at a specific address. The more info you can get to the ems prior to their arrival the faster they get help. I get to the site first, ambulance Cree gets there faster because I directed them directly to the victim. They know exactly what they are looking at when they arrive (type of injury/medical) victims vitals have already been taken and relayed to the crew before they arrive. I have a list of medications and allergies their name address date of birth and insurance info to hand off to them as soon as they get out. And that is assuming the situation is something outside my ability to give aid. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 7:41:09 PM EDT
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A home resident should be able to ask LE responders to remain outside while the medical situation is handled by EMS. Keep the door closed or close the door after EMS enters, then speak to LE after the EMS leaves. This would be difficult if the situation was severe or intense, or the caller was in panic mode. If you have the presence of mind to refuse their entry/don't need their help, what could the on scene LE do (not talking about EMS)? Kick your door in or taze you in your doorway? Or wait? If you don't want help, don't call 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:16:46 AM EDT
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Most Leo in MN are first responders, even without that we can get an accurate account of the situation (what happened, condition of the patient, accurate location/directions). The account relayed to 911 is almost never accurate. Victims are often not RIGHT at a specific address. The more info you can get to the ems prior to their arrival the faster they get help. I get to the site first, ambulance Cree gets there faster because I directed them directly to the victim. They know exactly what they are looking at when they arrive (type of injury/medical) victims vitals have already been taken and relayed to the crew before they arrive. I have a list of medications and allergies their name address date of birth and insurance info to hand off to them as soon as they get out. And that is assuming the situation is something outside my ability to give aid. Wow, I have yet to see PD do that... vitals, insurance ect. I did it for free for 6 years, going on 20 being payed... Most of the time LEO shows up only when we call. Depending upon where the call is, it may take them up to 40 minutes to get on scene. They may show up to help if there is a kid involved, or CPR going on.. Of course they also show up if someone didn't stay woke. However I have never pulled up on scene and saw LEO doing CPR, they always seem to arrive about the same time we do.. Hell I have driven around a corner ( came into the area from a non-standard route) and seen squad parked with their lights off,,, waiting for us to get there so they don't have to get Icky.. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:57:11 AM EDT
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Did one of the officers say "May we come in?" Did they mask the question with another question? For example: "Do you mind if we step inside to have a look and make sure the kid isn't in immediate danger of overdose?" I'm curious about OP's case, as well as all the others. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:10:29 AM EDT
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Thank heavens you didn't have any evil "assault weapons"!!! They may have jumped off the table and shot some people. They have a mind of their own you know. Therefore you shouldn't own any evil "assault weapons.
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