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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:08:26 PM EDT
What in the everloving fuck does that lying leftist racist asshole know about 'morals' other than he doesn't have any.

That was the headline from Drudge.  And it pissed me off.  Fuck zero.  

he was spewing shit about the US nuking Hiroshima.  Link

Ignorant of history zero is.

Probably a dupe but whatever.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:10:10 PM EDT
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He can't get the hell out fast enough.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:13:32 PM EDT
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Nimitz, Leahy, Eisenhower, Curtis Lemay, Hap Arnold...they all said that nuking Japan had nothing to do with the war or military necessity. I imagine they were probably better placed to know than the average internet poster.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:13:58 PM EDT
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Humans have become a victim of their own success.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:15:14 PM EDT
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"We have a shared responsibility to look directly into the eye of history and ask what we must do differently to curb such suffering again. Someday the voices of the hibakusha will no longer be with us to bear witness," he said, using the Japanese term for survivors of the nuclear blasts.
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We built a whole shitload of h-bombs and told Japan that if they built another navy, we'd sink it.

That seemed to help quite a bit.

FBHO also commented, "We have known the agony of war. Let us now find the courage, together, to spread peace, and pursue a world without nuclear weapons." No, FBHO, you haven't. His world is one of leftist fantasy in which everyone violent is violent either for lack of education or because of white people. He knows as much about war; about all foreign policy; as he knows about economics.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:15:38 PM EDT
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He's so smart.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:16:59 PM EDT
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You aren't kidding brother.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:17:35 PM EDT
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I don't answer to him
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:31:36 PM EDT
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The world, both nations and individual people, needs to evolve morally.  Stop using the force of government to redistribute wealth would be the place to start.  Then, stop telling individuals that they should be helpless and disarmed.  Somehow, I don't think that is what hussein meant.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:36:28 PM EDT
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The Immoralist in Chief calls on the world to change its morals?

So pedophiles are in like trannys now?
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:41:42 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:42:02 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:52:56 PM EDT
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Ummm, to put it in words that stupid faggot can understand, "Don't start no shit, won't be no shit."

Japan attacked the United States.  Japan waged an aggressive, brutal war against us.  They committed atrocities against us and also other nations they had defeated.  Japan fought tooth and nail all the way to Okinawa and were prepared to take the US down with them.  Nukes were the only option unless we were prepared to destroy an entire people and, psychically, ourselves.

FBHO Fuck that motherfucking cumburping faggot sideways with a barbwire wrapped dildo and may he burn in hell for all eternity.  I have never thought of a president as a scumbag until this sorry excuse of a man was elected by the American sheeple.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:55:02 PM EDT
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This shitstabber's idea of "moral evolution" is "it's all pink inside, baby, if it feels good, do it!"
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:55:50 PM EDT
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Did he not let Iran get them with his deal?
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:56:31 PM EDT
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FBHO
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:57:50 PM EDT
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According to Mitsuo Fuchida, who led the Pearl Harbor attack, the U.S did the right thing by dropping the bomb.He told this to personally to Paul Tibbets, and that Japan had been preparing to fight to the last man, woman and child
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:58:28 PM EDT
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We really need to send him to Iran and North Korea more.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 3:59:06 PM EDT
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Fuck that uppity asshole.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:01:53 PM EDT
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You first Mongrol faggot!
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:02:02 PM EDT
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His idea of "morally evolving" is just code for "progressing towards a fully Communist society".
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:02:22 PM EDT
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Now that is some truth, right there.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:02:44 PM EDT
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All socialist libs are morally superior to you.

If you dare to question this, you are obviously some kind of a Nazi war criminal or KKK member who lynches people.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:03:34 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:05:52 PM EDT
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You first Zero
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:06:06 PM EDT
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Yep. Proliferating to terrorist countries out of one side of his face and telling everyone how immoral we were for ending the war with them from the other side.

FBHO.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:12:29 PM EDT
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Yes, one of Noam Chomsky's favorite authors, who posed the question, "What Happens After Capitalism?" says we were bad and we only did it to provoke the Soviets.

They also say that we didn't warn the Japanese that we were going to do it.

We did, unlike Japan, who didn't warn the U.S. Navy that they intended to attack our fleet at Pearl Harbor.



http://gssq.blogspot.com/2008/10/realism.html

The peace movement loves to pretend that we're horrible warmongers and everyone else is peaceful and kind.

This is a pathetic lie. Refer to the link for the military targets at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. While I'm at it, Dresden was a German rail depot that the Nazis used to send men and supplies to the Russian front. I'd be a lot more inclined to look at Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan as peaceful and kind if they hadn't started World War II.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:36:28 PM EDT
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No one is debating that it was a military necessity to nuke Japan.  Their was already an invasion plan in place with horrendous but acceptable casualties.

But Holy Shit!  You mean if we had NOT been at war with Japan we would have nuked them anyway?

The more you know.....

Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:37:21 PM EDT
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Words well said!
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:44:09 PM EDT
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I think it is very telling of FBHO's and his ilk's true character that so many on the left like him wait until the generation that made the hard decisions needed end the war, to end the evil in both Germany and Japan are all gone or too old to defend their positions now go on the offensive against them.
I remember seeing Paul Tibbits (pilot of the Enola Gay) on talk shows during the 70's when I was a kid..great man BTW. Funny these cowards on the far-left waited till he was gone and guys like him to attack him his generation. I think thats disgusting. For all the high horse BS coming from this current president about Trump, I think it is beneath the office of the president to talk shit about those before him without fully knowing what he is talking about. But thats the thing with FBHO, he's not so much ignorant of the facts as much as he is full of hate for Americans.
My take on him has always been he's one of those guys who thinks he's
the smartest mother fucker in the room, yet proves himself wrong every
chance he gets.
All I can say is, thank God FBHO and people like him were not in power when the hard decisions had to be made. He has the modern current luxury to be a high horse shit talking dumbfuck, not every president or generation had that pampered luxury.




 
 
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 4:47:02 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/28/2016 5:34:20 PM EDT
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The Left has a Hate for and an inability to follow rules.  So it would indicate that Obama has no Morality and no understanding of what Morality is.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 5:37:33 PM EDT
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Hey Øbama!  Go lecture the middle east and Africa, your muslim brothers, on morals.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 5:37:38 PM EDT
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I call upon Obama to lick deez nutz.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 5:46:24 PM EDT
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He is so full of himself that he thinks he can just speak and change the world.

The fucker really is delusional.
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Link Posted: 5/28/2016 5:49:33 PM EDT
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Obama all time most treasonous so called American
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 5:52:04 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/28/2016 6:10:59 PM EDT
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You evolve first m****y-b*y.









Link Posted: 5/28/2016 6:46:51 PM EDT
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Horseshit.


War is a bloody calculus.

Would we have defeated Japan without dropping Fat Man and Little Boy? Yes.

That said, many many many more people would have died on both sides than were killed by those two weapons (by at least 2 orders of magnitude). Thusly, the calculus (horrific as it is) says that dropping those weapons was 100% militarily necessary and thusly 100% the correct thing to do.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 6:50:48 PM EDT
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Raf, everyone knows that narrative, because it's what lazy highschool teachers do. It's common sense distilled from common fact; in lieu of actual work investigating primary sources and historical detail.

Many American commanders flat out disagreed, both at the time as “men in the arena” and in the years and decades following once all unforeseen facts could be catalogued. To quote MacArthur's psyops head during the war (also his secretary for the occupation) “Obviously, the atomic bomb neither induced the Emperor's decision to surrender nor had any effect on the ultimate outcome of the war.” Or as Admiral Halsey wrote, “The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment...It was a mistake to ever drop it...It killed a lot of Japs, but the Japs had put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before. “

Regarding invasion, there's the famous Strategic Bombing Group's post-war survey, which concluded “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”

Nukes lending the Emperor a route around face problems with the military, or nukes enabling the US to avoid invasion, are superficially plausible excuses that disappear on investigation. The bomb was dropped for post-war strategy with Russia, and because we could. The American military proposed demonstrations and demanded written orders because, to the minds of American military commanders fresh from total war, it was a political decision, not a military one.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 7:27:48 PM EDT
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Progressives gonna Progressive. Always staking out the moral high ground and claiming it as their domain.



His claim to it is a bit jaded, considering the lengths he has gone to with letting Iran have its way...
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 8:03:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/28/2016 8:15:59 PM EDT
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I did not know Mac had a "psyops" advisor. Please give his name and citation for his quote.   You  argue, with the latter point of your unsubstantiated post, that the US dropped the Bomb in order to overawe the Soviets. Did any of the Military commanders you cite have the exact same information, both military and diplomatic, as Truman?  I'm certain that they did not, and so their opinions are ill-informed.

Leaving the above to the side, is it arguable that a Japan under US post-war guidance would be inferior to some sort of Japanese State split asunder, with the soviets in charge of part of it, and the Allies in charge of the rest?  

But leaving nukes out of it altogether, are you saying Invading Japan, with the concomitant bloodbath that would surely have happened as a result is something that you are OK with?

Personally, I value human life more than that.   I'm astonished that you care so little about the millions of human beings that would surely have perished during an invasion of the Japanese islands.

This is the sort of "Blame America' sort of argument that we have heard so many times.  I'll have none of it in this instance.  I've read too much to be misled otherwise.

You should be ashamed of yourself. particularly on Memorial Day.
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Raf, everyone knows that narrative, because it's what lazy highschool teachers do. It's common sense distilled from common fact; in lieu of actual work investigating primary sources and historical detail.

Many American commanders flat out disagreed, both at the time as “men in the arena” and in the years and decades following once all unforeseen facts could be catalogued. To quote MacArthur's psyops head during the war (also his secretary for the occupation) “Obviously, the atomic bomb neither induced the Emperor's decision to surrender nor had any effect on the ultimate outcome of the war.” Or as Admiral Halsey wrote, “The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment...It was a mistake to ever drop it...It killed a lot of Japs, but the Japs had put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before. “

Regarding invasion, there's the famous Strategic Bombing Group's post-war survey, which concluded “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”

Nukes lending the Emperor a route around face problems with the military, or nukes enabling the US to avoid invasion, are superficially plausible excuses that disappear on investigation. The bomb was dropped for post-war strategy with Russia, and because we could. The American military proposed demonstrations and demanded written orders because, to the minds of American military commanders fresh from total war, it was a political decision, not a military one.


I did not know Mac had a "psyops" advisor. Please give his name and citation for his quote.   You  argue, with the latter point of your unsubstantiated post, that the US dropped the Bomb in order to overawe the Soviets. Did any of the Military commanders you cite have the exact same information, both military and diplomatic, as Truman?  I'm certain that they did not, and so their opinions are ill-informed.

Leaving the above to the side, is it arguable that a Japan under US post-war guidance would be inferior to some sort of Japanese State split asunder, with the soviets in charge of part of it, and the Allies in charge of the rest?  

But leaving nukes out of it altogether, are you saying Invading Japan, with the concomitant bloodbath that would surely have happened as a result is something that you are OK with?

Personally, I value human life more than that.   I'm astonished that you care so little about the millions of human beings that would surely have perished during an invasion of the Japanese islands.

This is the sort of "Blame America' sort of argument that we have heard so many times.  I'll have none of it in this instance.  I've read too much to be misled otherwise.

You should be ashamed of yourself. particularly on Memorial Day.


It isn't Memorial Day.

Anyways, I'm curious to know what would have happened if we'd stood back and let the Russians try an invasion.   I wonder if they would even have been able to pull it off without us helping.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 8:27:44 PM EDT
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By nuking them we saved ourselves from having to commit genocide.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 8:29:13 PM EDT
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I'll give a fuck what Japan thinks after everyone in their government lays down and accepts a teabag from every Chinese and Korean citizen.

Obama can lay down with them.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 8:31:42 PM EDT
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Horseshit.


War is a bloody calculus.

Would we have defeated Japan without dropping Fat Man and Little Boy? Yes.

That said, many many many more people would have died on both sides than were killed by those two weapons (by at least 2 orders of magnitude). Thusly, the calculus (horrific as it is) says that dropping those weapons was 100% militarily necessary and thusly 100% the correct thing to do.
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Nimitz, Leahy, Eisenhower, Curtis Lemay, Hap Arnold...they all said that nuking Japan had nothing to do with the war or military necessity. I imagine they were probably better placed to know than the average internet poster.

Horseshit.


War is a bloody calculus.

Would we have defeated Japan without dropping Fat Man and Little Boy? Yes.

That said, many many many more people would have died on both sides than were killed by those two weapons (by at least 2 orders of magnitude). Thusly, the calculus (horrific as it is) says that dropping those weapons was 100% militarily necessary and thusly 100% the correct thing to do.


If the price for victory was either the life of a single GI or nuking Japan head to toe I'd choose the latter all day errday.
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If that's the case then I'm OK with that.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 8:34:25 PM EDT
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This shitstabber's idea of "moral evolution" is "it's all pink stink inside, baby, if it feels good, do it!"
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Fixed it for you.



 
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 8:35:43 PM EDT
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"Moral"????

Yet his people are pushing immorality at high speed.
Link Posted: 5/28/2016 8:36:14 PM EDT
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What's going on in the World is not as it seems. Everything is a deception, us included.

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The A-Bomb allowed the Japanese Emperor the perfect opportunity to surrender before His Empire was totally destroyed,  His fear of His Japanese race being destroyed--as was distinctly possible-- allowed Him to make an unprecedented move, and the rest is history.

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Halsey once said "The only place the Japanese language will be spoken is in Hell."


Had we not dropped the bomb he most likely would have been right.
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