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Posted: 5/21/2016 3:16:42 AM EDT
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Not much different than the barrel nut lawsuit, the optic mounts lawsuit, or charging handle lawsuits.
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Posted: 5/21/2016 3:38:10 AM EDT
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Instead of worrying about suing everyone Mossberg should concentrate on building AR's that don't look like shit.
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Posted: 5/21/2016 6:49:47 AM EDT
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English ?
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Posted: 5/21/2016 6:55:20 AM EDT
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Are any of the infringing companies really known for innovation? Not that I'm seeing...
We need a pro to say how similar the designs really are. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 7:07:15 AM EDT
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I can think of one company that produces a drop in trigger who is not on the list of being sued. Makes me wonder if they licensed the drop in trigger from Mossberg.
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Posted: 5/21/2016 8:21:15 AM EDT
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Instead of worrying about suing everyone Mossberg should concentrate on building AR's that don't look like shit. This |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:03:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:27:43 AM EDT
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I can think of one company that produces a drop in trigger who is not on the list of being sued. Makes me wonder if they licensed the drop in trigger from Mossberg. Yeah, Timney was the first one I thought of, except they're not listed in the suit. Several I've never heard of though. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 11:02:43 AM EDT
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Mossberg makes an AR?
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Posted: 5/21/2016 11:13:21 AM EDT
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Mossberg makes an AR? Not sure. They make a lever-action that "looks" like an AR...if that lever-action was an Appalachian hill family that hadn't bred outside the shack for at least 5 generations. 
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Posted: 5/21/2016 11:13:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mossberg makes an AR? |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 12:49:42 PM EDT
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CMC Triggers commented on their Instagram that they pay royalties to Mossberg to avoid this type of situation. They also said Mossberg has an ongoing case against Timney.
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Posted: 5/21/2016 12:54:17 PM EDT
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Mossberg makes an AR? Only really shitty ones. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:00:06 PM EDT
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Geissele / MBT / ALG = don't care
:D Does MB even sell a drop in trigger? What a bunch of fags. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:00:43 PM EDT
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English ? Mossberg was issued a patent on November 13, 2007 for a "modular trigger group". Timney made requests to the patent office to reexamine the patent. The reexaminations occurred and the patent office said that most of Mossberg's patent stands. Mossberg is now defending its patent by suing the companies that subsequently came out with modular trigger groups. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:23:21 PM EDT
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Mossberg makes an AR? Yes they do, they also make drop in trigger groups, but the suit is about patent infringement. If you make something with enough similar features there is a good chance you are going to get sued and will be forced to sign a license agreement with the company the holds the patent. Gun companies sue each other all of the time, this is really nothing new and it is not earth shattering news, it is amazing how many companies sue each other all of the time. http://www.mossberg.com/firearms/rifles/ |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:26:32 PM EDT
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Didn't Timney have a modular trigger pack long before Mossberg ever made ARs???
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:37:26 PM EDT
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Didn't Timney have a modular trigger pack long before Mossberg ever made ARs??? When it comes to patents, it really does not matter who made it first, it matters who filed for the patent first and who was granted that patent first. Many small companies fail to file for their patents in a timely manner and the big companies come along, build something and file for the patent and are granted that patent and then this type of stuff comes up. Look how many times IBM and Microsoft sued each other at the beginning of the computer days. That is called doing business in America! |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:41:40 PM EDT
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Everyone is suing everyone in the AR world. Ask Mark LaRue about his friends at Samson.
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:59:23 PM EDT
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When it comes to patents, it really does not matter who made it first, it matters who filed for the patent first and who was granted that patent first. Many small companies fail to file for their patents in a timely manner and the big companies come along, build something and file for the patent and are granted that patent and then this type of stuff comes up. Look how many times IBM and Microsoft sued each other at the beginning of the computer days. That is called doing business in America! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't Timney have a modular trigger pack long before Mossberg ever made ARs??? When it comes to patents, it really does not matter who made it first, it matters who filed for the patent first and who was granted that patent first. Many small companies fail to file for their patents in a timely manner and the big companies come along, build something and file for the patent and are granted that patent and then this type of stuff comes up. Look how many times IBM and Microsoft sued each other at the beginning of the computer days. That is called doing business in America! Look up the phrase "Prior art". |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:59:56 PM EDT
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Sounds like some dickless patent troll bullshit
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Posted: 5/21/2016 2:08:20 PM EDT
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Everyone is suing everyone in the AR world. Ask Mark LaRue about his friends at Samson. That lawsuit is half a decade old. Old news, but to me it was just like yesterday. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 2:09:34 PM EDT
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Look up the phrase "Prior art". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't Timney have a modular trigger pack long before Mossberg ever made ARs??? When it comes to patents, it really does not matter who made it first, it matters who filed for the patent first and who was granted that patent first. Many small companies fail to file for their patents in a timely manner and the big companies come along, build something and file for the patent and are granted that patent and then this type of stuff comes up. Look how many times IBM and Microsoft sued each other at the beginning of the computer days. That is called doing business in America! Look up the phrase "Prior art". Prior Art, is really not making difference much since the patent and trademark laws were changed a few years ago, I lost a patent claim a couple of years ago because I believe it was still part of the process, ended up costing me a hell of a lot of money. Since the internet, a lot of things have changed with patent, copyright and trademark laws. The big companies have full time staff's on duty all the time, trying and working on ways to screw the little guys like us. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 2:26:16 PM EDT
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Sounds like some dickless patent troll bullshit I have only made comments on this, because I have been on the losing end of these types of lawsuits, which really sucks. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 5:56:32 PM EDT
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I have only made comments on this, because I have been on the losing end of these types of lawsuits, which really sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like some dickless patent troll bullshit I have only made comments on this, because I have been on the losing end of these types of lawsuits, which really sucks. lawsuits suck period |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 5:55:04 PM EDT
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I wonder what most people think of this
if it will hurt Mossberg in the long run |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 5:57:48 PM EDT
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They are ALSO suing at least one RETAILER that does not mfg triggers
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Posted: 5/22/2016 6:15:01 PM EDT
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I wonder what most people think of this if it will hurt Mossberg in the long run Most people probably don't care. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 7:48:29 AM EDT
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They are ALSO suing at least one RETAILER that does not mfg triggers 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 7:51:57 AM EDT
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Didn't Timney have a modular trigger pack long before Mossberg ever made ARs??? Didn't HK have a modular trigger pack starting in the 1960's? |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 7:55:46 AM EDT
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That lawsuit is half a decade old. Old news, but to me it was just like yesterday. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone is suing everyone in the AR world. Ask Mark LaRue about his friends at Samson. That lawsuit is half a decade old. Old news, but to me it was just like yesterday. Who sued who? I remember when Troy was suing Samson, but I never heard of a lawsuit between Samson and LaRue Tactical. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 7:58:36 AM EDT
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English ? Mossberg decided to be a bunch of bitches and put money in lawsuits instead of making product people desire. It is fucking stupid. Gun owners remember things like this past their children’s lives. Ever notice the hate for Ruger here? -- 40 yo debate. Absolutely stupid what they are doing. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:02:25 AM EDT
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I wonder what most people think of this if it will hurt Mossberg in the long run How will Mossberg shoppers find out if it's a story only told in print? |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:09:44 AM EDT
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Gotta make money somehow when nobody wants to buy your crap products.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:25:49 AM EDT
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I love this forum. If you are well liked you can do no wrong but heaven help you if you're not in the cool kid club.
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Mossberg decided to be a bunch of bitches and put money in lawsuits instead of making product people desire. It is fucking stupid. Gun owners remember things like this past their children’s lives. Ever notice the hate for Ruger here? -- 40 yo debate. Absolutely stupid what they are doing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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English ? Mossberg decided to be a bunch of bitches and put money in lawsuits instead of making product people desire. It is fucking stupid. Gun owners remember things like this past their children’s lives. Ever notice the hate for Ruger here? -- 40 yo debate. Absolutely stupid what they are doing. So they shouldn't protect their patents? Seriously? And you think they don't make products people desire? Quoted:
Gotta make money somehow when nobody wants to buy your crap products. LOL you think nobody buys mossberg products you obviously aren't very tuned into the market
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:44:00 AM EDT
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I love this forum. If you are well liked you can do no wrong but heaven help you if you're not in the cool kid club. So they shouldn't protect their patents? Seriously? And you think they don't make products people desire? LOL you think nobody buys mossberg products you obviously aren't very tuned into the marketQuote HistoryQuoted:
I love this forum. If you are well liked you can do no wrong but heaven help you if you're not in the cool kid club. Quoted:
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English ? Mossberg decided to be a bunch of bitches and put money in lawsuits instead of making product people desire. It is fucking stupid. Gun owners remember things like this past their children’s lives. Ever notice the hate for Ruger here? -- 40 yo debate. Absolutely stupid what they are doing. So they shouldn't protect their patents? Seriously? And you think they don't make products people desire? Quoted:
Gotta make money somehow when nobody wants to buy your crap products. LOL you think nobody buys mossberg products you obviously aren't very tuned into the marketIt doesnt matter if they are in the legal right, it only matters that people here dont like Mossberg. Thus, screw them. I am actually interested to see how these lawsuits play out. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:57:00 AM EDT
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Where you even find a MB AR15? I've never see one and haven't seen it mentioned on this board.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:57:13 AM EDT
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Who sued who? I remember when Troy was suing Samson, but I never heard of a lawsuit between Samson and LaRue Tactical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone is suing everyone in the AR world. Ask Mark LaRue about his friends at Samson. That lawsuit is half a decade old. Old news, but to me it was just like yesterday. Who sued who? I remember when Troy was suing Samson, but I never heard of a lawsuit between Samson and LaRue Tactical. If I remember it correctly, Samson and ARMS sued LaRue. Troy was sued as well. Samson went bankrupt. And arms... is still off in their own world. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:00:13 AM EDT
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What happened to ARMS?
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:04:33 AM EDT
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Mossberg decided to be a bunch of bitches and put money in lawsuits instead of making product people desire. It is fucking stupid. Gun owners remember things like this past their children’s lives. Ever notice the hate for Ruger here? -- 40 yo debate. Absolutely stupid what they are doing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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English ? Mossberg decided to be a bunch of bitches and put money in lawsuits instead of making product people desire. It is fucking stupid. Gun owners remember things like this past their children’s lives. Ever notice the hate for Ruger here? -- 40 yo debate. Absolutely stupid what they are doing. Ruger sells more guns than any other U.S. manufacturer, by a lot.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:11:48 AM EDT
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What happened to ARMS? As of 2015 they were still in business. Not really sure what they sell now. I guess the lawsuit vs larue was settled. But, ML would know best. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:17:49 AM EDT
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As of 2015 they were still in business. Not really sure what they sell now. I guess the lawsuit vs larue was settled. But, ML would know best. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happened to ARMS? As of 2015 they were still in business. Not really sure what they sell now. I guess the lawsuit vs larue was settled. But, ML would know best. I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone buying their shit. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:22:24 AM EDT
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I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone buying their shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happened to ARMS? As of 2015 they were still in business. Not really sure what they sell now. I guess the lawsuit vs larue was settled. But, ML would know best. I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone buying their shit. I wish Larue would make a ELCAN upgrade kit 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:29:09 AM EDT
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No Wilson Combat mentioned. They make Drop-Ins too. Certain Drop-In makers or all of them?
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:30:57 AM EDT
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I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone buying their shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happened to ARMS? As of 2015 they were still in business. Not really sure what they sell now. I guess the lawsuit vs larue was settled. But, ML would know best. I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone buying their shit. Probably mostly sitting back and being a patent troll. However, I did see a SIR system in the wild at a LGS recently. No idea on how old it was. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:31:22 AM EDT
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English ? It's just like "your smartphone is a rectangle with rounded edges like our smartphone" suit Apple brought up. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:33:07 AM EDT
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the ARMS mount for the TRO wass really the only QD option worth a damn when I bought it
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:34:18 AM EDT
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They waited wayyyyy to long to go after these other companies that make drop ins. I wonder if they were sending everyone C&D letters over the past 8 years that drop in trigger packs have been common in the market or just waiting for some dumbass reason. Its always fun when a company that didnt create the idea, or employ the person/people that did, can go and buy up patents and not even make or sell the items and just cash in on other people wanting to use an idea they didnt even have.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:42:43 AM EDT
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What happened to ARMS? As of 2015 they were still in business. Not really sure what they sell now. I guess the lawsuit vs larue was settled. But, ML would know best. I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone buying their shit. Dean Wormer: "Fat Heavy, drunk expensive, and stupid outdated is no way to go though life, son." |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:54:16 AM EDT
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Dean Wormer: "Fat Heavy, drunk expensive, and stupid outdated is no way to go though life, son." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happened to ARMS? As of 2015 they were still in business. Not really sure what they sell now. I guess the lawsuit vs larue was settled. But, ML would know best. I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone buying their shit. Dean Wormer: "Fat Heavy, drunk expensive, and stupid outdated is no way to go though life, son." I have an arms 41L floating around from like 2006-2007. It's been in the parts bin now for years. But it's funny how what was once awesome is now meh. |
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