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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:09:43 PM EDT
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Because he is a progressive liberal, duh...
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:10:43 PM EDT
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It'd be nice to replace it with a system that allows competition through state lines.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:11:45 PM EDT
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It'd be nice to replace it with a system that allows competition through state lines. Ya, but I don't think that's what he means. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:15:52 PM EDT
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Why are you guys continually surprised when the progressive suggests doing progressive things? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:18:22 PM EDT
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He wants to replace it with something worse: Single payer health care like Canada and the UK
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:19:12 PM EDT
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He wants to plaster HIS name all over it. It will be yuggggee....
I agree, kill it and leave it at that. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:28:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya, but I don't think that's what he means. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It'd be nice to replace it with a system that allows competition through state lines. Ya, but I don't think that's what he means. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:29:54 PM EDT
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Because if you don't state your solution it makes 47% think that you just want poor people to die in the streets.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:37:55 PM EDT
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Why are you guys continually surprised when the progressive suggests doing progressive things? So, when Trump suggests a market based alternative, that's progressive. Someone should tell GOPe darling Mitt. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:39:48 PM EDT
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? because the insurance industry would be destroyed. The rules would be what? the ACA changed all the rules for the insurance industry, changed the rules for Drs, and changed the rules for businesses. It isn't a simple as saying its gone now. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:42:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, when Trump suggests a market based alternative, that's progressive. Someone should tell GOPe darling Mitt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why are you guys continually surprised when the progressive suggests doing progressive things? So, when Trump suggests a market based alternative, that's progressive. Someone should tell GOPe darling Mitt. Trump hasn't suggested a market based alternative. http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-heart-healthcare-everybody/2016/01/31/id/712069/ |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:43:26 PM EDT
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Because he is a progressive liberal, duh... FPNI. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:44:34 PM EDT
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? You've been one of his biggest cheerleaders. You tell us... |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:45:39 PM EDT
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You've been one of his biggest cheerleaders. You tell us... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? You've been one of his biggest cheerleaders. You tell us... Was |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:45:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you guys continually surprised when the progressive suggests doing progressive things? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:47:20 PM EDT
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because the insurance industry would be destroyed. The rules would be what? the ACA changed all the rules for the insurance industry, changed the rules for Drs, and changed the rules for businesses. It isn't a simple as saying its gone now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? because the insurance industry would be destroyed. The rules would be what? the ACA changed all the rules for the insurance industry, changed the rules for Drs, and changed the rules for businesses. It isn't a simple as saying its gone now. If there is no ACA then the rules should no longer apply or should be changed back |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? You've been one of his biggest cheerleaders. You tell us... Was |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:49:04 PM EDT
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? How is this a serious question? Healthcare is retardedly expensive and you can either be the political party that tries to fix it or you can be the political party that gets voted out because of it. Do you not remember how Obama flew to power twice with it as a key issue? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:49:07 PM EDT
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? You've been one of his biggest cheerleaders. You tell us... Was It would have been nice to ask these questions earlier, wouldn't it? Sorry, bro. Too little, too late. You're stuck with him, now. 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:49:16 PM EDT
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? Yes, the Federal Government doesn't have any POWER delegated to it. Repeal is all that should be done. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:49:16 PM EDT
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FBHO has been pretty pro gun so far, or at a minimum..neutral. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:49:52 PM EDT
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FBHO has been pretty pro gun so far, or at a minimum..neutral. lol |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:51:59 PM EDT
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If there is no ACA then the rules should no longer apply or should be changed back Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? because the insurance industry would be destroyed. The rules would be what? the ACA changed all the rules for the insurance industry, changed the rules for Drs, and changed the rules for businesses. It isn't a simple as saying its gone now. If there is no ACA then the rules should no longer apply or should be changed back Dorobuta is right. It took 4 years to "wind up" the ACA, it will take just as long to "wind it down". There is no longer anything to "put back". |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:53:18 PM EDT
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Because he is a progressive liberal, duh... FPNI. Yup |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:54:58 PM EDT
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FBHO has been pretty pro gun so far, or at a minimum..neutral. Ok. I get it now. Troll thread... |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:55:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? You've been one of his biggest cheerleaders. You tell us... Was |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:56:19 PM EDT
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It'd be nice to replace it with a system that allows competition through state lines. That's exactly what he wants . |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:57:05 PM EDT
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Trumpcare. Make Healthcare Great Again.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:57:12 PM EDT
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If there is no ACA then the rules should no longer apply or should be changed back Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? because the insurance industry would be destroyed. The rules would be what? the ACA changed all the rules for the insurance industry, changed the rules for Drs, and changed the rules for businesses. It isn't a simple as saying its gone now. If there is no ACA then the rules should no longer apply or should be changed back you have to spell all that out, and congress can't do that without fucking with stuff. Everybody has something that they hated about the old way and will set out to fix it. you also need to specify what happens with all the records and compliance stuff that was already done, the stuff in flight, what about costs incurred but not paid for yet? what about people getting surgery under the ACA that can't afford it under the old way? what about medications that have been prescribed? who eats those costs? I fucking hate the ACA and want it gone. But you just can't turn it off. it ain't simple. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:57:55 PM EDT
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So he wants to repeal and replace and people here are against it...and calling him a liberal.
The crybaby-ness is reaching hysterical woman on her period levels around here. JFC am I glad I'm not some of you people around here.  |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:01:02 PM EDT
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From: http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=news&id=641
Ted Cruz previews new plan to repeal and replace Obamacare 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:10:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNever mind what he really proposes. SOme people just want to 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:15:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok. I get it now. Troll thread... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: FBHO has been pretty pro gun so far, or at a minimum..neutral. Ok. I get it now. Troll thread... |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:16:23 PM EDT
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Trumpcare. Make Healthcare Great Again. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:22:18 PM EDT
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Anyone remember Trump attacking Cruz, saying that Cruz wants people to die in the streets? Back when Trump was all for government run healthcare? Now he's "evolved" again? You guys really believe anything this con man says?
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:27:44 PM EDT
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At least OP is looking at the issues if he's serious. Trump's problem is that he's been on multiple sides of the issue and it seems his core beliefs are skewed toward universal healthcare and not "letting people die in the streets".
His policy paper online looks great, but here's some of his verbal statements on the matter. http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm 2/25/16 Q: Senator Rubio, you said that Mr. Trump thinks part of ObamaCare is pretty good. Which part? RUBIO: The individual mandate. He said he likes the individual mandate portion of it; I don't believe that should remain there. We need to repeal ObamaCare completely and replace it with a system that puts Americans in charge of their health care money again. TRUMP: I agree with that 100%, except pre-existing conditions, I would absolutely get rid of ObamaCare. I want to keep pre- existing conditions. It's a modern age, and I think we have to have it.Q: The insurance companies say is that the only way that they can cover people with pre-existing conditions is to have a mandate requiring everybody purchase health insurance. Are they wrong? TRUMP: I think they're wrong 100%. Look, the insurance companies take care of the politicians [and vice-versa]. The insurance companies are making an absolute fortune. Yes, they will keep preexisting conditions, and that would be a great thing. TRUMP: We should have gotten rid of the lines around the state so there's competition. The insurance companies are making a fortune on every single thing they do. You're going to see preexisting conditions, but the price will be down, and the insurance companies can pay. Yes, they will keep preexisting conditions, and that would be a great thing. Get rid of ObamaCare, we'll come up with new plans. But, we should keep preexisting conditions. 2/18/16 Q: If Obamacare is repealed & there's no mandate for everybody to have insurance, why would insurance companies insure somebody who has a pre-existing condition? TRUMP: Well, I like the mandate. I don't want people dying on the streets. The Republican people, they don't want people dying on the streets, but sometimes they'll say "Donald Trump wants single payer." Q: Will people with pre-existing conditions be able to get insurance? TRUMP: Yes. Now, the new plan is good. It's going to be inexpensive. It's going to be much better for the people at the bottom, people that don't have any money. We're going to take care of them through maybe concepts of Medicare. Now, some people would say, "that's not a very Republican thing to say." That's not single payer, by the way. That's called heart. We gotta take care of people that can't take care of themselves. 10/14/15 (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/31/ted-cruz/ted-cruzs-false-claim-trump-clinton-and-sanders-ha/) TRUMP: If we get rid of the artificial lines drawn around each state and companies from Iowa can bid in New York … you’ll get these great plans. And the only thing the government should be involved in is they have to be really solvent companies in case there’s a catastrophic event or whatever. As far as the other group, as far as what we can do, I don’t want to see people doing [sic] in the streets. 6/28/15 Q: in 2000, you wrote that you're a liberal on health care, and you supported a Canadian-style system, where the government acts as an insurer. Is that what you still believe? TRUMP: You know, I looked at that. I looked at it very seriously. Some people don't agree with me on this: I want everyone to have coverage. I love the free market, but we never had a free market. Even before ObamaCare, it wasn't really free market. As an example, in New York, when I wanted to bid out my health insurance, we had boundaries. I could only go in New York. If I wanted to bid it out to a company from California or New Jersey, anywhere--you get no bids. Q: But the single payer, you're not interested anymore TRUMP: No. No, these are different times. And over the years, you are going to change your attitudes. You're going to learn things and you're going to change. And I have evolved on that issue. I have evolved on numerous issues. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:28:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:29:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It'd be nice to replace it with a system that allows competition through state lines. He did say that in a speech. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:30:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He wants to replace it with something worse: Single payer health care like Canada and the UK THAT is what Carly Fiorina wabts to do... |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:33:21 PM EDT
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I thought "repeal and replace" was the official Republican position?
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:39:52 PM EDT
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Hillary Care
Obama Care Trump Care Carly Care Keep trying until they get it right transfer all the money and suck the life blood out of America. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:41:04 PM EDT
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It'd be nice to replace it with a system that allows competition through state lines. What good is that going to do? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:42:37 PM EDT
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Hope he combines it with the VA health care system.....
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:43:03 PM EDT
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because the insurance industry would be destroyed. The rules would be what? the ACA changed all the rules for the insurance industry, changed the rules for Drs, and changed the rules for businesses. It isn't a simple as saying its gone now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? because the insurance industry would be destroyed. The rules would be what? the ACA changed all the rules for the insurance industry, changed the rules for Drs, and changed the rules for businesses. It isn't a simple as saying its gone now. The insurance industry would do just fine if it were repealed, at least until the next fucked up attempt to fix things gets passed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:44:04 PM EDT
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Why not just repeal/remove it and leave it at that? Because Trump is not at all opposed to Big Government. He just thinks Big Government can be done much better, by him. He's going to Make Big Government Great Again. Because, after all, "the Nation-State IS the foundation of all Happiness and Harmony." |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:55:36 PM EDT
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He did say that in a speech. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It'd be nice to replace it with a system that allows competition through state lines. He did say that in a speech. Plus Healthcare Savings Accounts and tax deductions for health insurance payments. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:03:49 PM EDT
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My alternative would be that if you cannot afford medical care you can be treated free of charge at any medical school by the medical students as part of their education. Of course you would have no recourse for malpractice suits and such but hey, you get what you pay for.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:33:35 PM EDT
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That has not one thing to do with progressive ideology. Taxing the people to fund the insurance industry so the shareholders of the various corporations can maximize return on investment is the reason for IRAs, 401ks, 403bs was to eliminate pensions and turning the healthcare costs back on the workers insures higher dividends.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 8:20:24 PM EDT
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So, when Trump suggests a market based alternative, that's progressive. Someone should tell GOPe darling Mitt. This statement is hilarious... Considering the history of Romneycare. You understand that Democrats --which included Trump at the time-- were pushing "single-payer" in the Northeast? You understand that right? Trumps solution that he outlined in plain-English in his socialist manifesto, "The America We Deserve" is not a "market based alternative." Trumps *current* words, "Make the government pay for it" referring to healthcare is not a "market based alternative." Trump even said himself four years ago that Romney was too far to the right for Trump... Romney is a demon to Trump supporters because they do not want voters looking too long at Trumps record. Trump is a full-on socialist. |
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