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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:40:21 PM EDT
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FBHO
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:41:29 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:44:54 PM EDT
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Compared a gun to ABS brakes.
Yeah, that's it smart guy. Because a fucking input pedal moving in basically a 2 dimensional space getting oscillatory control based on a feedback system is totally comparable to a 360 degree grip with different environmental situations which impede the input method. How much money did they waste on this shit? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:46:40 PM EDT
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Your tax dollars at work.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:47:34 PM EDT
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Keep criminals in prison, away from guns. That's the best 'Smart Gun' strategy I've heard.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:49:50 PM EDT
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I do like the iGun tech, because when I shoot, I want to be forced to wear a ring that looks like it belongs to a 68 year old man who wears short-sleeved polyester shirts unbuttoned to the navel... |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:59:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Compared a gun to ABS brakes. Yeah, that's it smart guy. Because a fucking input pedal moving in basically a 2 dimensional space getting oscillatory control based on a feedback system is totally comparable to a 360 degree grip with different environmental situations which impede the input method. How much money did they waste on this shit? Not to mention that car brakes still work even if ABS system fails. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:59:10 PM EDT
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even the ones that "worked" are dangerous things to implement on guns. All require around 1/4 of a sec to activate, that may be time you don't have to spare.
Fingerprinting is useless, the second your hand sweats it wont work. Oh raining outside? Nope not shooting your gun! Blood on your finger? Nope not shooting your gun! |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:00:01 PM EDT
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A gun is a simple mechanical device. Anything they mandate can be easily bypassed or removed.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:00:57 PM EDT
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Your tax dollars at work. Gotta love working your ass off to pay the all mighty.gov to fund studies on how to take away your Constitutional rights. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:01:51 PM EDT
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A gun is a simple mechanical device. Anything they mandate can be easily bypassed or removed. Been googling around to see if anyone was selling the Armatix .22. I want one for the same reason I want a COP .357... History! No luck so far. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:02:02 PM EDT
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I do like the iGun tech, because when I shoot, I want to be forced to wear a ring that looks like it belongs to a 68 year old man who wears short-sleeved polyester shirts unbuttoned to the navel... Don't forget the added "convenience" of having to stop and put the ring on (or be "inconspicuous" and wear it all the time  ) if you are a private citizen carrying concealed for protection.
But then again, they don't give a shit, because the whole point is to effectively disarm us one way or another. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:03:44 PM EDT
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Don't forget the added "convenience" of having to stop and put the ring on (or be "inconspicuous" and wear it all the time ) if you are a private citizen carrying concealed for protection.
But then again, they don't give a shit, because the whole point is to effectively disarm us one way or another. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I do like the iGun tech, because when I shoot, I want to be forced to wear a ring that looks like it belongs to a 68 year old man who wears short-sleeved polyester shirts unbuttoned to the navel... Don't forget the added "convenience" of having to stop and put the ring on (or be "inconspicuous" and wear it all the time ) if you are a private citizen carrying concealed for protection.
But then again, they don't give a shit, because the whole point is to effectively disarm us one way or another. "Honey! I heard something downstairs. Hand me my bling!" |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:05:42 PM EDT
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And when a mass shooting / murder happens with a "smart" gun, then what?
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:07:09 PM EDT
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It is ironic that they state that the way forward in developing new technology for this is reliant on the free market system yet they want the end result to form another way to ensure you are fully encapsulated by the Big Brother syndrome...
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:07:48 PM EDT
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Makes gloves obsolete
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:08:14 PM EDT
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A gun is a simple mechanical device. Anything they mandate can be easily bypassed or removed. That's crazy talk. No one could invent sear technology and retrofit it to a gun with an electronic component. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:09:06 PM EDT
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even the ones that "worked" are dangerous things to implement on guns. All require around 1/4 of a sec to activate, that may be time you don't have to spare. Fingerprinting is useless, the second your hand sweats it wont work. Oh raining outside? Nope not shooting your gun! Blood on your finger? Nope not shooting your gun! I don't have time for 4 or 5 swipes of my finger to unlock my gun in the middle of the night or when I need to draw. Fucking stupid shit is stupid shit. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:11:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:13:36 PM EDT
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That's crazy talk. No one could invent sear technology and retrofit it to a gun with an electronic component. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A gun is a simple mechanical device. Anything they mandate can be easily bypassed or removed. That's crazy talk. No one could invent sear technology and retrofit it to a gun with an electronic component. Go with an entirely electronic trigger and firing pin assembly and some smart kid is going to hack the thing to allow full auto. Keep it mostly mechanical and any idiot with some hand tools can bypass it. Go all electronic and risk opening Pandora's box. But of course they won't let any common sense thinking stand in the way of absurd restrictions. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:14:24 PM EDT
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Keep criminals in prison, away from guns. That's the best 'Smart Gun' strategy I've heard. That would be racist. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:19:32 PM EDT
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Summary: Every attempt before has been a failure, shit, and waste of money. But this time will be different because feels.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:20:15 PM EDT
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Go with an entirely electronic trigger and firing pin assembly and some smart kid is going to hack the thing to allow full auto. Keep it mostly mechanical and any idiot with some hand tools can bypass it. Go all electronic and risk opening Pandora's box. But of course they won't let any common sense thinking stand in the way of absurd restrictions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A gun is a simple mechanical device. Anything they mandate can be easily bypassed or removed. That's crazy talk. No one could invent sear technology and retrofit it to a gun with an electronic component. Go with an entirely electronic trigger and firing pin assembly and some smart kid is going to hack the thing to allow full auto. Keep it mostly mechanical and any idiot with some hand tools can bypass it. Go all electronic and risk opening Pandora's box. But of course they won't let any common sense thinking stand in the way of absurd restrictions. My first thought when reading that crap. "ATF is gonna have a cow with the electronic triggers this is going to require. And some hacker is going to full auto all the things." |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:21:01 PM EDT
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I'm looking forward to reading those LE specifications in July.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:21:19 PM EDT
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Keep criminals in prison, away from guns. That's the best 'Smart Gun' strategy I've heard. NI |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:22:00 PM EDT
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I do like the iGun tech, because when I shoot, I want to be forced to wear a ring that looks like it belongs to a 68 year old man who wears short-sleeved polyester shirts unbuttoned to the navel... Ironic, considering your username.... |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:24:55 PM EDT
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"In the rare cases when the technology does fail, officers should have some way of operating the firearm when confronted with an adversary." Really? Then what's the point? If the tech can be overridden by brute force or by somehow circumventing it, what's the point of even having it on the gun? Hilarious read. Good luck, manufacturers. The funny thing is that if they actually allowed firearms to have electronic trigger packs, rather than mechanical, this sort of development would probably be stupid easy to integrate. Any computer engineer worth his salt could develop one that works fairly well inside of 6 months. But e-triggers, iirc, are banned from commercial firearms. I assume they're afraid that they can be made full-auto too easily |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:26:12 PM EDT
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I would rather have a Smart President than a Smart Gun.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:26:25 PM EDT
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Don't even have to read it. You know that the summary is that "Smart Gun" technology sucks just because it was released on a Sunday. That's the day for failure so they don't hit a news cycle. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:26:40 PM EDT
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Ironic, considering your username.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I do like the iGun tech, because when I shoot, I want to be forced to wear a ring that looks like it belongs to a 68 year old man who wears short-sleeved polyester shirts unbuttoned to the navel... Ironic, considering your username.... Maybe I can get a custom jobby? 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:30:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? Then what's the point? If the tech can be overridden by brute force or by somehow circumventing it, what's the point of even having it on the gun? Hilarious read. Good luck, manufacturers. The funny thing is that if they actually allowed firearms to have electronic trigger packs, rather than mechanical, this sort of development would probably be stupid easy to integrate. Any computer engineer worth his salt could develop one that works fairly well inside of 6 months. But e-triggers, iirc, are banned from commercial firearms. I assume they're afraid that they can be made full-auto too easily Quote HistoryQuoted: "In the rare cases when the technology does fail, officers should have some way of operating the firearm when confronted with an adversary." Really? Then what's the point? If the tech can be overridden by brute force or by somehow circumventing it, what's the point of even having it on the gun? Hilarious read. Good luck, manufacturers. The funny thing is that if they actually allowed firearms to have electronic trigger packs, rather than mechanical, this sort of development would probably be stupid easy to integrate. Any computer engineer worth his salt could develop one that works fairly well inside of 6 months. But e-triggers, iirc, are banned from commercial firearms. I assume they're afraid that they can be made full-auto too easily Maybe they mean throwing the gun at the adversary... like the bad guys used to do in the old Superman shows after they ran out of ammo... |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:31:23 PM EDT
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FPNI |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:32:45 PM EDT
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... In conclusion: idea is dorky
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:36:44 PM EDT
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I do like the iGun tech, because when I shoot, I want to be forced to wear a ring that looks like it belongs to a 68 year old man who wears short-sleeved polyester shirts unbuttoned to the navel... 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:55:34 PM EDT
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C. Identifying Issues for Baseline Specifications The process described above will result in the development of baseline specifications for law enforcement adoption of advanced gun safety technology. This report identifies several potential issues that law enforcement agencies will likely consider as they develop these specifications: Reliability The most important aspect of advanced gun safety technology is that the entire system be reliable. As a result, any new technology should not reduce the reliability of the firearm system, as compared to existing firearms. In the rare cases when the technology does fail, officers should have some way of operating the firearm when confronted with an adversary. Durability Law enforcement officers expect their firearms to work in all conceivable circumstances and environments, including extreme weather conditions and when exposed to various contaminants, such as dirt or blood. New gun safety technology should not reduce the circumstances in which the firearm will operate, as compared to existing firearms. Permitting multiple users From time to time, an officer will need to use another officer’s firearm—for example, because the firearm has failed, or because the officer is incapacitated. In addition, some firearms, such as service shotguns, are routinely used by multiple members of the same patrol unit. As a result, it is important that user-authorization technology allows multiple individuals to use a firearm, including an officer’s partner and other members of the patrol unit, and that the technology allows for up-and down-scaling (i.e., increasing or decreasing the number and identities of authorized persons) easily and reliably. Physical characteristics of firearm Officers have grown accustomed to the appearance and characteristics of their service weapons. Ideally, a firearm equipped with user-authentication technology should physically look like existing firearms, and be recognizable to other officers and suspects. In addition, the technology should not appreciably change the weight, size, or balance of existing firearms, or increase the likelihood that the weapon would snag when drawn from an officer’s holster. Ease and predictability of use An officer must be able to activate the technology without assistance from others, and it should be easy for an officer to determine whether the device is working. The system should have both a very low false-rejection rate (when an authorized user is incorrectly blocked from using the gun) and a very low false-acceptance rate (when an unauthorized user is allowed to fire the weapon). In addition, an officer should be able to use the firearm while wearing gloves. Cost Most law enforcement budgets devote only a small percentage of their budget to purchasing equipment, and many departments are unable to supply or update their existing equipment with the latest technologies. In some jurisdictions, officers have to purchase their own service firearms. While some officers may be willing to pay a premium for the peace of mind of owning a gun with advanced gun safety technology, others may not. Training. It should be easy to train officers and armorers on user-authorization technology, and the costs of the additional training to police departments should be minimal. Maintenance and repair Maintenance requirements should be held to a level that the average officer will do, and the firearm must be capable of repeated maintenance without damage or decrease in performance. In cases of technical malfunction, it should be easy for an officer to quickly reset the user-authorization system. A police department’s armorer should be able to perform most diagnostic tests and repairs without seeking assistance from the manufacturer Adversarial compromise of technology. It should be assumed that as soon as law enforcement agencies deploy user-authorization firearms, criminals will try to find ways to defeat the technology. It is crucial that the technology cannot be easily compromised even when a suspect has full knowledge of how the system operates. In addition, the technology should be protected against computer hackers and others who might try to disrupt the electronic systems that allow the devices to operate. External devices. Although some user-authorized firearm designs involve biometric recognition systems, other models rely on external devices, such as RFID tags, that must be worn by the user. Any external device should be as reliable, durable, and easy to use as the firearm itself. Moreover, the external device should not be uncomfortable to wear or distracting to an officer’s law enforcement operations, and should not cause medical side effects to the officers. Power failure If user-authorization technology requires batteries, they should be long-lasting and easy to recharge. A low-power indicator should warn users well before the battery runs out of power. Speed of operation Officers have to make split second decisions of life and death. The addition of user-authorization technology should not increase the time of drawing and firing the weapon. Ummm, holyfuckingshit. It's hard enough to find normal guns that meet all the gun design requirements, to say nothing of consumer electronics that meet the user-authorization requirements. If a product is developed that meet HALF of these stated goals I'd be shocked. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:38:40 PM EDT
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Ummm, holyfuckingshit. It's hard enough to find normal guns that meet all the gun design requirements, to say nothing of consumer electronics that meet the user-authorization requirements. If a product is developed that meet HALF of these stated goals I'd be shocked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Identifying Issues for Baseline Specifications [snip] Ummm, holyfuckingshit. It's hard enough to find normal guns that meet all the gun design requirements, to say nothing of consumer electronics that meet the user-authorization requirements. If a product is developed that meet HALF of these stated goals I'd be shocked. I see this as another Obama last ditch effort to say "At least I tried to do something." |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:40:20 PM EDT
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California adds "smartgun" technology to the "safe handgun list" requirements in 3....2....
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:40:47 PM EDT
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If enough people think it and repeat it, maybe it will come true.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryPrecisely! The Conclusion paragraph at the end of the last page says it all. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My first thought when reading that crap. "ATF is gonna have a cow with the electronic triggers this is going to require. And some hacker is going to full auto all the things." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A gun is a simple mechanical device. Anything they mandate can be easily bypassed or removed. That's crazy talk. No one could invent sear technology and retrofit it to a gun with an electronic component. Go with an entirely electronic trigger and firing pin assembly and some smart kid is going to hack the thing to allow full auto. Keep it mostly mechanical and any idiot with some hand tools can bypass it. Go all electronic and risk opening Pandora's box. But of course they won't let any common sense thinking stand in the way of absurd restrictions. My first thought when reading that crap. "ATF is gonna have a cow with the electronic triggers this is going to require. And some hacker is going to full auto all the things." For a AR. I just pull out my hacked ring and I have full auto  |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:52:13 PM EDT
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That is one way to double the value of everything that exists right now.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:55:15 PM EDT
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YourOur tax dollars at work. FIFY |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:12:58 PM EDT
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I'm open to the idea of a carry pistol only I can shoot.
I'll buy one right after most police departments and the military adopt them. If they don't want smart guns, then why would I? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:34:26 PM EDT
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How many electronic gizmos have you had that eventually don't work, wont work, cant get parts for, and every one of them gets trashed. State of the art technology evolves by the hour now, this shit will be obsolete in six months. This is just something else that will eventually not work due to age, batteries, moisture, sensors, chips, you name it, it will fail. The result will be getting people killed, not save lives. What happens if the person becomes incapacitated and another person picks up weapon to continue the defense, they are FUCKED.
FBHO |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:35:25 PM EDT
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Really? I'd figure the report would BS about how if only the Republicans would follow Obama, guns would have IFF chips.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:41:04 PM EDT
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A gun is a simple mechanical device. Anything they mandate can be easily bypassed or removed. This exactly. Removing the blocking pin which is how all of these systems work will be simple. In fact I'll make it a point to produce instructional YouTube videos demonstrating how complete with parts lists and links to where to buy them. Just because I love wrecking stupid stuff. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:44:10 PM EDT
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Keep criminals in prison, away from guns. That's the best 'Smart Gun' strategy I've heard. That would be racist. No.... You're thinking of home ownership, peanut butter & jelly sammiches, FICO scores and reading to children. Duh. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:45:32 PM EDT
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Really? I'd figure the report would BS about how if only the Republicans would follow Obama, guns would have IFF chips. I'm actually pretty happy with the report. It basically says "This sure would be neat, let's see if the cops can make it work" rather than the usual "LEO and Military should be exempt" crap. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:47:42 PM EDT
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Hi still like the idea. The tech isn't even close to ready, but there were a lot of failures before the lightbulb, too.
A carry gun that would stop working if you loose it wrestling with a bad guy is a good thing...it just needs to keep working when you get it back from the bad guy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:53:37 PM EDT
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So, by their own definitions finger print scanners are out since the smart gun will need to be able to function even if your hands are dirty/bloody. So that means a transmitter device like a ring. Which we know a bad guy would never think to steal when he takes the gun. And if it doesn't take a ring, then the range of the transmitter will be in feet. Then the smart gun will still work even if a bad guy has taken it away from a cop as long as the gun is close. Like say in a struggle for the pistol. The whole thing is full of derp.
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