Never been in a line unit, huh?

I don't know if he was straight or not.

He was in a line plt and I was in HQ so we didn't work together often.

Gays, or women for that matter, are not and will not ever be a good "option" for any combat arms unit.

 

As a whole women yes.  Gays are debatable but generally I'd agree.

I guess, it all depends on what the DoD's definition of straight rape, and gay rape are...........and probably how the rapist identifies.

This was right before my 2nd deployment so we were working retarded long hours in between going to the field/ranges.

For all I know he just got a BCD and kicked out or he could have got 15 years in the brig.

Well there is definitely something deep in your statement.

Of the small percentage of gays,  and an even smaller amount who wants to serve, then with a smaller percentage of those who could possibly be good infantryman, I would say it is statistcally insignificant.  

So the added drama and headaches of adding anyone from the LGBTBBQ community, heavily out weighs any percived benefit in combat effectiveness and readiness of allowing anyone from the LGBTBBQ community.

But I am going to guess that point will go over your head.  Gotta make the LGBTBBQ people's feel good.

Of the 3 to 4 percente of gay people how many of them even want to serve.  On top of that how many of them want to be infantry, of that how many can be good infantryman, and won't bring added drama to the unit.

Sorry still not seeing a benefit.

Exactly.  They would bring nothing to the table that would be worth the trouble including them.  Absolutely nothing.

 

Unless giving blowjobs become mandatory.  Then they could teach that class.

Guess you can't handle a conversation without going for the brilliant "you're stupid" argument followed by strawmen.

The military by design is to be used to break things and kill people.  It is not supposed to be used to implement social justice. Or to get decorating tips.

But that seems to be the concern so many have over combat effectiveness.

There you go again assuming I want the military used as a social justice pilot program. Because that's what you want to believe I think. It makes things easier for you.

What is Fayettville, NC like?

Lol.  Whatever.  any possible benefit is a dream by the LGBTBBQ crowd and their SJW supporters. Who will continue to ignore the damage to readiness and combat effectiveness.  All so the LGBTBBQ people's can feel good.

Curious, I don't see a tank.  Do you have military experience? If so what was it? And if so, are you part of the LGBTBBQ community?

 

Slums with pawn shops, strip clubs, lots of whores walking up and down the main drag.  

No and no. Get whatever "gotchya!" shots in that you think mean you have the only valid viewpoint. I'm done banging my head against the wall.

Jacksonville but bigger and worse.

All you've done in this thread is say faggots are a deep pool of talent without providing anything about what they could provide.  Nothing.  And claimed people were calling you stupid, even though they weren't.

Poor little ol' faggots and poor retgarr, getting picked on but can't back up or provide any benefits that faggots could bring to the force.

So you have no combat arms experience, no military experience whatsoever.  Yet you think that your opinion on such matters is more valid then mine.

LOL silly boy.

And as to your other statement.  If you support LGBTBBQ in the military and women in combat arms then yes you do in fact want the military used as a social justice program.

That you can't get your brain around that is simply not my problem.  

And I never called you stupid.  I will say you are ignorant and uninformed though.

You are the one coming in here all hurt feelings and SJW crap not me.  

I care about our military members combat effectiveness, You are more worried about LGBTBBQ feelings.  And you still have shown a benefit to pushing for LGBTBBQ in the military.  I have carefully explained why it is a bad idea.  The tiny percentage that might, and I emphaise might make good infantryman simply is not worth the effort and cost to weed out the problem children.  But go ahead and let your feelings dictate that you know better then any of us that have actually served

ITT I learned that 100% of all gay men are "Richard Simons gay", and will drop everything to suck a dick if the opportunity presents, even in the middle of combat.

Yall been in some weird units I have to surmise.

(P.S. rapists should be shot....)

Don't forget all the payday loans and rent to own businesses.

I despise that place.

It's nickname is Fayettenam.  That should tell you what you need to know.

There was a headquarters guy doing the same thing to new guys when I was in the Army . As best I can tell it was ignored.

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I live in Fayetteville there's always goofy shit happening here.

SHARP, the "all male soldiers are rapist" class.

Also the "Guilty until found less guilty" class

You'd be surprised to know how much "homosexual bad conduct" was overlooked by both troops and the chain of command, back in the day. The higher-ups only really paid attention when they had no other damn choice, and the troops...? It was a crap shoot. I never could figure out what the hell made things twist around, with the rest of the guys around me. On the one hand, we had SPC Perry, who was a flamingly gay Rupaul wannabe, and yet who was tolerated and respected, mostly because he knew his shit and could get things done with the assholes over at finance and personnel. Nobody ever said shit to him, harassed him, or tried to do shit to him, even though "everyone" knew he was gay as a three-dollar bill. I mean, the only thing Perry could have been doing that was more emphatic was if he was caught fucking another guy on the commander's desk during a staff meeting...

And, then, there was SGT Thomas, who everyone thought was straight. One night, the staff duty officer is making his barracks checks, finds Thomas's door open a crack, pushes it open, and there's Thomas pumping away on top of Perry...

SGT Thomas got the prosecution, the bad-conduct discharge, and had to be kept under guard, because people wanted to kill him. All kinds of remembered "passes" were brought up by people who were, frankly, flattering themselves that he might have been attracted to him. Perry? Never had shit done to him, and everyone still loved his ass. Go figure.

Same time frame, we had a problem with people going up from Fort Lewis to Seattle to go out "beating up faggots". It was a thing, and a common one--And, as you might expect, one of the guys in my unit that spent the most time talking about it and doing it... Later came out as gay. Go figure.

Well the guys that dude was taking advantage of were in the Comm school house.

Every weekend we'd get briefed not to fuck with or associate with any of the Marines in the school house.

I'm really surprised that I couldn't find an article or anything on what had happened.

I worked as a civilian police officer on an Army base....it happens a lot more than it gets out...mostly to protect the victim.. News releases are controlled to a much harsher standard on a base....

If you have an all male unit made up of herosexuals vs an all male unit with homosexuals....which unit is going to have a higher male on male rape statistic?

That's the point.

When did gay slurs become acceptable here?

I'm going to guess the same time getting offended by words did.

By choice?

Remind me of that the next time someone refers to blacks as niggers on the site, or Jews as kikes.

Nah sir, we don't want none of 'dem 'dere faggots, niggers, kikes, or spics servin' in our glorious United States military, no sir.

I mean, it's not like the first rule of the code of conduct is about "posting derogatory comments of a racial, religious, or sexual nature."

But nah, those faggots are just butthurt about getting called faggot. It doesn't go against the rules.

Yep

And good help the COC if their SHARP training is out of date.


Like it even matters.

I honestly don't know what the difference would be... One thing with the way we do it now, is that everything is out in the open. Back when, there was a bunch of homosexual sexing going on, and everybody was in denial, and looking the other way. If you were gay, and well-liked by the chain of command, you could get away close to literal murder, with your subordinates, and nobody would even look twice at it. Now? You're gay. Big fucking deal--If your subordinate complains about your ass, you've really got nowhere to hide, because you're out in the open.

Honestly, I think the whole thing is about six of one, half-a-dozen of the other. Anyone who says they didn't have guys fucking guys, even in the Infantry, back in the old days? They just weren't paying attention, that's all. Dude I mentioned, Perry? Most of his boyfriends were "straight white guys" from over in 2/23 and the other Infantry units on main post...

The more I think about it, the less I care. Maybe getting it all out in the open is a better way to do it.

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