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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:35:13 AM EDT
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I would like to know what the average length of time is that your account stays active and how many previous accounts you had? You seem like a 13er,a 14er, a 15er and now look a 16er. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ah yes, The first sign of someone who lost, bringing up join date. What's next, comment on my post count LOL I would like to know what the average length of time is that your account stays active and how many previous accounts you had? You seem like a 13er,a 14er, a 15er and now look a 16er. All rolled into one! Oh, the huge manitee! 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:38:07 AM EDT
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How many of you remember the craziness on AIM's site when it got overloaded during the 2013 panic? Every time you refreshed the site it showed different customers information. I remember it well. Hell, maybe we should sue them like little booby is going to do! Yeah that's it, cause "they didn't protect their customers!" I want Bryan and Tuna's asses standing guard in my driveway, pronto, in case the big bad internet boogeyman decides to do some big bad internet boogeyman stuff.  Freudian slip? I'd had a few beers... 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:42:32 AM EDT
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Why do they need a picture ID for ammo purchases. Never understood why some companies need more info than the law requires.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:52:12 AM EDT
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I don't know why they store the images of your license(s). If they absolutely must have them, why not check a box on their end in the database that you are valid once they receive the image, and then delete the image? Fuck... Ass... THIS!!! |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:14:41 PM EDT
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They fucked up and owned up to it. What more do you want?? I'm guessing you didn't do a lot of business with them. I've always had pleasant dealings with them and some of the best customer service I've ever had from any firearms related sponsor here. Bob will not rest until there is blood. BLOOOOOOOD! I'll be honest the more people defend the more I will defame. If you don't like my opinion then STFU. you might want to log off for awhile You are right, I got caught up in the childish behavior last night, I should know better. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:17:12 PM EDT
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Here is a thread Bryan posted in about two years ago verifying they were sued and as a result require ID.
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=2&f=217&t=244904 we actually got sued for not verifying the age of a ammo customer a few years back, now we require it.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:20:49 PM EDT
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Those two statements are seemingly at odds with each other. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Letter came today.  Everything will be alright and AIM has always done me right, I'll order from them again when I have a need to get something.Those two statements are seemingly at odds with each other. Shit happens, the free security monitoring will alleviate potential problems with my card EVERYWHERE. I'm satisfied, what would you have them do? 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:25:26 PM EDT
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Here is a thread Bryan posted in about two years ago verifying they were sued and as a result require ID. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=2&f=217&t=244904 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Here is a thread Bryan posted in about two years ago verifying they were sued and as a result require ID. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=2&f=217&t=244904 we actually got sued for not verifying the age of a ammo customer a few years back, now we require it.
Have a good weekend I'd be interested to see some info on the lawsuit. I was looking for something last night and all I found that was close was a 2006 thread from ARFCOM where it was a mix of people bitching about having to submit ID, people saying it was no big deal to submit ID and AIM employee Eric-AIM saying We have to verify age (anything federal or state issued is fine) by law. We would never make up some story about needing your ID cause we were out of stock of an item. It would be much easier to just tell you it was out of stock. I'm still on AIM's side, but this part seems off. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:29:15 PM EDT
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Guys posting that their license they used has since expired
You do know that your name, dob, and driver license number stays the same right |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:31:10 PM EDT
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Don't think I ever ordered ammo, just C&R stuff.
No letter yet. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:33:15 PM EDT
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I'd be interested to see some info on the lawsuit. I was looking for something last night and all I found that was close was a 2006 thread from ARFCOM where it was a mix of people bitching about having to submit ID, people saying it was no big deal to submit ID and AIM employee Eric-AIM saying I'm still on AIM's side, but this part seems off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is a thread Bryan posted in about two years ago verifying they were sued and as a result require ID. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=2&f=217&t=244904 we actually got sued for not verifying the age of a ammo customer a few years back, now we require it.
Have a good weekend I'd be interested to see some info on the lawsuit. I was looking for something last night and all I found that was close was a 2006 thread from ARFCOM where it was a mix of people bitching about having to submit ID, people saying it was no big deal to submit ID and AIM employee Eric-AIM saying We have to verify age (anything federal or state issued is fine) by law. We would never make up some story about needing your ID cause we were out of stock of an item. It would be much easier to just tell you it was out of stock. I'm still on AIM's side, but this part seems off. My guess is that was just a weird way of saying "we won't give you a BS or fraudulent reason of asking for a copy of your ID". I didn't open the thread and read the context it's just an initial impression. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:40:23 PM EDT
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"We greatly appreciate your business and deeply regret any inconvenience" - Bryan Flannagan
Yes, Bryan. Having my identity stolen is indeed, "inconvenient". I hate "inconveniences" like these. However, I see that your regrets run deep, so there's that... |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:46:55 PM EDT
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Here's more info from Bryan as posted in the industry thread. that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:48:36 PM EDT
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Same here, completely clean. By coincidence I ran my free annual credit reports on 4/21. Those were completely clean too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I activated the free security service.........nothing showing up so far. Same here, completely clean. By coincidence I ran my free annual credit reports on 4/21. Those were completely clean too. the problem is that this information typically gets sold and it may be months or even a few years before you see any issues. that makes it incredibly hard to pinpoint the origin. very seldomn does a breah = instant hit. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:54:52 PM EDT
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that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's more info from Bryan as posted in the industry thread. that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it.  I just went to AIM's website to check my account. Do you think they have ANY reference to ANY of this issue ANYWHERE? I see the credit card security icon, leading me to believe these guys are secure.
Prospective customers shouldn't know about this problem, huh? I would want to know that they to do not keep their customer's information safe. They want to continue to do business first and foremost. The rest is CYA. Anyone discounting the fucked-upedness of allowing customer info on a WEBSERVER has never had their ID stolen or a victim of fraud. Talk to me when you have. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:00:18 PM EDT
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I just went to AIM's website to check my account. Do you think they have ANY reference to ANY of this issue ANYWHERE? I see the credit card security icon, leading me to believe these guys are secure.
Prospective customers shouldn't know about this problem, huh? I would want to know that they to do not keep their customer's information safe. They want to continue to do business first and foremost. The rest is CYA. Anyone discounting the fucked-upedness of allowing customer info on a WEBSERVER has never had their ID stolen or a victim of fraud. Talk to me when you have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's more info from Bryan as posted in the industry thread. that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. I just went to AIM's website to check my account. Do you think they have ANY reference to ANY of this issue ANYWHERE? I see the credit card security icon, leading me to believe these guys are secure.
Prospective customers shouldn't know about this problem, huh? I would want to know that they to do not keep their customer's information safe. They want to continue to do business first and foremost. The rest is CYA. Anyone discounting the fucked-upedness of allowing customer info on a WEBSERVER has never had their ID stolen or a victim of fraud. Talk to me when you have. Oh FFS, calm down. Somehow I envision you looking exactly like your avatar... |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:07:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. This right here. Evidently everybody doesnt remember the suit over ID, I do and never had any heartburn about it. As TBS said, they found out, owned it, and went above and beyond to fix it- as Bryan et al have ALWAYS done in the past. Friends are friends through thick and thin. They did the right thing, as they have for the Y E A R S Ive dealt with them on end. As Pontius Pilate said, I find no fault with him. It is what it is, it happened, its over. A lot of places have my ID. The second they notify me the DD LPK is back in stock, Ill be ordering one from them. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:11:35 PM EDT
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that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's more info from Bryan as posted in the industry thread. that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. And it was such a great response that Bryan went back and deleted it. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:12:27 PM EDT
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This right here. Evidently everybody doesnt remember the suit over ID, I do and never had any heartburn about it. As TBS said, they found out, owned it, and went above and beyond to fix it- as Bryan et al have ALWAYS done in the past. Friends are friends through thick and thin. They did the right thing, as they have for the Y E A R S Ive dealt with them on end. As Pontius Pilate said, I find no fault with him. It is what it is, it happened, its over. A lot of places have my ID. The second they notify me the DD LPK is back in stock, Ill be ordering one from them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. This right here. Evidently everybody doesnt remember the suit over ID, I do and never had any heartburn about it. As TBS said, they found out, owned it, and went above and beyond to fix it- as Bryan et al have ALWAYS done in the past. Friends are friends through thick and thin. They did the right thing, as they have for the Y E A R S Ive dealt with them on end. As Pontius Pilate said, I find no fault with him. It is what it is, it happened, its over. A lot of places have my ID. The second they notify me the DD LPK is back in stock, Ill be ordering one from them. The thing is, as another poster who appears to be in the IT field above said, it's really not over for those who were compromised. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:15:53 PM EDT
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Everybody relax!
One day after most got their mailings informing us of the breach, CavVet has declared the issue "over". After all, Bryan wrote some stuff, then deleted it, so there is nothing more to say really. Moderator, please close this thread. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:16:31 PM EDT
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And it was such a great response that Bryan went back and deleted it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. And it was such a great response that Bryan went back and deleted it. Put the pitchfork away, there's a reason for that. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:19:51 PM EDT
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Put the pitchfork away, there's a reason for that. So what's the reason? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:21:00 PM EDT
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It was more than just the photo upload that got hacked.
I just remembered when I bought ammo from them I didn't upload an ID. They emailed me a request for an ID and I emailed one back. So they either uploaded to whatever folder hey we're storing them in or more was compromised. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:21:05 PM EDT
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Everybody relax! One day after most got their mailings informing us of the breach, CavVet has declared the issue "over". After all, Bryan wrote some stuff, then deleted it, so there is nothing more to say really. Moderator, please close this thread. AIM is working on it. Bryan responded. Put another tampon in to stop the bleeding and let AIM and their hired security professionals continue working. There have been more secure networks than AIM attacked. It happens this day and age. It sucks, but it happens. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:23:37 PM EDT
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Got a letter from AIM yesterday.
I'll still do business with them. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:24:11 PM EDT
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So what's the reason? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put the pitchfork away, there's a reason for that. So what's the reason? Stand by, I'm not going to speak for him. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:27:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what's the reason? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Put the pitchfork away, there's a reason for that. So what's the reason? The reason is you are being a........ Watch this....... Click.  |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:35:55 PM EDT
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This thread is tucking pathetic!
Gun owners so fucking eager to string up a great pro 2nd business and major site sponsor. Yeah, they fucked up. For fuck sake, there are poster talking about class action lawsuits! It's shameful being a gun owner and being associated with some of you people. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got a letter from AIM yesterday. I'll still do business with them. This thread is tucking pathetic! Gun owners so fucking eager to string up a great pro 2nd business and major site sponsor. Yeah, they fucked up. For fuck sake, there are poster talking about class action lawsuits! It's shameful being a gun owner and being associated with some of you people.  |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:40:06 PM EDT
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Wait, what? You're being reasonable and rational in a hate thread?
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Got a letter from AIM yesterday.
I'll still do business with them.
I don't hate them, I am just a bit mad at the moment. That's understandable, I think. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:41:42 PM EDT
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Wait, what? You're being reasonable and rational in a hate thread?
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Got a letter from AIM yesterday.
I'll still do business with them.
They fucked up, no doubt about that. But they are a good company and an awesome presence on this board. I think I'll order some magazines from them this week to let them I still support them. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:45:02 PM EDT
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that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. Not quite. A perfect response would be started like :" I'm Sorry". His statement more than likely was written by a lawyer, which the #1. rule in the business never admit guilt. Man up, and people will give over it, some sooner, some later. People whom will sue your ass, the will sue no matter what. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:48:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't hate them, I am just a bit mad at the moment. That's understandable, I think. But considering a class action lawsuit is the default reaction of an Obama voter. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:52:31 PM EDT
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Meh. A lot bigger companies and various parts of your government have been hacked. This doesn't make AIM evil or careless. My credit is already locked down and yours should be to if you use a credit or god forbid a debit card online or in stores. I've been in the Home Depot hack, the Target hack, others I can't remember and a couple years ago someone got everything, all the CC info including the security number and ALL my personal info, and applied for credit cards in my name to be sent to them. Luckily they were rejected because they tried to change my address on the apps. I got the rejections and a pair of little pink panties from Victoria's Secret that got sent to me when the address didn't change.
That last one was a LOT of fun. Getting a police report and sending copies of it and forms to all the credit reporting agencies.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:59:56 PM EDT
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It is. I'm pretty pissed-off myself. But considering a class action lawsuit is a default-reaction of an Obama voter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't hate them, I am just a bit mad at the moment. That's understandable, I think. But considering a class action lawsuit is a default-reaction of an Obama voter. Who said anything about a class action lawsuit? I didn't. Wilson, you need to be a bit more careful in who you accuse or imply of saying shit like that. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:02:09 PM EDT
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It is. And I'm pretty pissed-off myself. But considering a class action lawsuit is the default reaction of an Obama voter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't hate them, I am just a bit mad at the moment. That's understandable, I think. But considering a class action lawsuit is the default reaction of an Obama voter. Did you happen to catch who first posted about lawsuits? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:05:45 PM EDT
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We at AIM have a very unique relationship with our customers built on transparency, fairness and trust. For almost twenty years we have made it our priority to do things right. As much as we aim for perfection, we don’t always achieve that goal, but we will never compromise what is right.
Just over thirty days ago a incident occurred. Once confirmed, we immediately hired a cyber firm to investigate and perform technology forensics. We will make every effort to earn back any trust that has been lost by this incident. While it is still early in the process and difficult to answer all questions at this time, we would like to take the opportunity to respond to a few: - As soon as we became aware of the potential issue, we engaged a security firm to help us determine what occurred. We then turned to simultaneously working on correcting the issue, working to determine who was affected (which was a manual process), obtaining a credit monitoring package, preparing the letters, and setting up a call center. -- We have established a dedicated call center for this incident. We wanted to make sure we had accurate and reliable information to share as well as resources available to answer questions about preventative steps individuals can take. -- If you would like to know if you will be receiving a letter, email [email protected] -- Mailing letters is what is required in scenarios like this. It is a more reliable way of delivering the information to the right people, especially because people change email addresses and there are spam filters. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They could've deleted it once age was confirmed or they could've kept the information off-line Those are two secure options nothing on a computer is safe, nothing. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:13:29 PM EDT
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Bryan
I sent an email yesterday to AIM CS. I haven't ordered from you guys for a while and I moved last year but never updated my address. I provided my email address and last order number. I don't remember if I have uploaded my ID and would like to know for sure. Do you think I need to call tomorrow? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't hate them, I am just a bit mad at the moment. That's understandable, I think. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Got a letter from AIM yesterday. I'll still do business with them. I don't hate them, I am just a bit mad at the moment. That's understandable, I think. from CNN news site in 2014 Hackers have exposed the personal information of 110 million Americans -- roughly half of the nation's adults -- in the last 12 months alone.That massive number, tallied for CNNMoney by Ponemon Institute researchers, is made even more mind-boggling by the amount of hacked accounts: up to 432 million. The exact number of exposed accounts is hard to pin down, because some companies -- such as AOL (AOL) and eBay (EBAY) -- aren't fully transparent about the details of their cyber breaches. But that's the best estimate available with the data tracked by the Identity Theft Resource Center and CNNMoney's own review of corporate disclosures. The damage is real. Each record typically includes personal information, such as your name, debit or credit card, email, phone number, birthday, password, security questions and physical address. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:32:08 PM EDT
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They want to continue to do business first and foremost. The rest is CYA. Anyone discounting the fucked-upedness of allowing customer info on a WEBSERVER has never had their ID stolen or a victim of fraud. Talk to me when you have. where did i discount the fact this was a serious issue? the simple fact is 99.999% of businesses have no clue about security or web design. they like millions of others use 3rd parties for this and THAT is where the failure occurred. that does not make AIM the great satan out to give your information to the bad guys. they have acknowledged the issue, they are working to protect those affected and correct the problems. that IS an acceptable response to the issue. this is something i happen to know a good bit about. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't think I ever ordered ammo, just C&R stuff. No letter yet. I bought some GEMTECH sub-sonic .22 LR from them recently. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:35:52 PM EDT
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Not quite. A perfect response would be started like :" I'm Sorry". His statement more than likely was written by a lawyer, which the #1. rule in the business never admit guilt. Man up, and people will give over it, some sooner, some later. People whom will sue your ass, the will sue no matter what. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that is a perfectly good response for this situation. fucked up, owned it and working to correct it. Not quite. A perfect response would be started like :" I'm Sorry". His statement more than likely was written by a lawyer, which the #1. rule in the business never admit guilt. Man up, and people will give over it, some sooner, some later. People whom will sue your ass, the will sue no matter what. which is also a 100% perfectly understandable thing in this case. Part of IT security is risk management and reduction. i have zero doubt between law enforcement and their security team working on assessments and forensics, that is really MORE information than they were told to give right now. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:37:25 PM EDT
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If they agree to sell me SA Battlepacks at $30 Per again, I'll cut them some slack.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:38:59 PM EDT
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Bryan I sent an email yesterday to AIM CS. I haven't ordered from you guys for a while and I moved last year but never updated my address. I provided my email address and last order number. I don't remember if I have uploaded my ID and would like to know for sure. Do you think I need to call tomorrow? I will check and shoot you a email back |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:46:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who said anything about a class action lawsuit? I didn't. Wilson, you need to be a bit more careful in who you accuse or imply of saying shit like that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't hate them, I am just a bit mad at the moment. That's understandable, I think. But considering a class action lawsuit is the default-reaction of an Obama voter. Wilson, you need to be a bit more careful in who you accuse or imply of saying shit like that. But this thread isn't about you and I. If you're not going to help the situation, I'd strongly suggest you stop now. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:38:30 PM EDT
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well shit on me, looks like I am part of this as well.
I do appreciate AIM owning up to the breach, informing customers so they can protect themselves, and offering a year of protection. I wonder if I have to use this 1 year free now, or if I can wait till my free yr from opm, and my free yr from another source to expire 1st... at this rate I'll have free ID protection and monitoring for life 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:52:32 PM EDT
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well shit on me, looks like I am part of this as well. I do appreciate AIM owning up to the breach, informing customers so they can protect themselves, and offering a year of protection. I wonder if I have to use this 1 year free now, or if I can wait till my free yr from opm, and my free yr from another source to expire 1st... at this rate I'll have free ID protection and monitoring for life ID protection/credit monitoring is like a bugler alarm (at best). Just freeze your credit and lock the door. The AIM breach is fairly insignificant compared to what's been lost in other breaches, which you may not even know included you. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:02:34 PM EDT
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ID protection/credit monitoring is like a bugler alarm (at best). Just freeze your credit and lock the door. The AIM breach is fairly insignificant compared to what's been lost in other breaches, which you may not even know included you. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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well shit on me, looks like I am part of this as well. I do appreciate AIM owning up to the breach, informing customers so they can protect themselves, and offering a year of protection. I wonder if I have to use this 1 year free now, or if I can wait till my free yr from opm, and my free yr from another source to expire 1st... at this rate I'll have free ID protection and monitoring for life ID protection/credit monitoring is like a bugler alarm (at best). Just freeze your credit and lock the door. The AIM breach is fairly insignificant compared to what's been lost in other breaches, which you may not even know included you. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Didn't target have a huge breach earlier this year or last year. Breaches of this nature are happening all the time any more. Sad times we live in. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:03:18 PM EDT
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ID protection/credit monitoring is like a bugler alarm (at best). Just freeze your credit and lock the door. The AIM breach is fairly insignificant compared to what's been lost in other breaches, which you may not even know included you. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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well shit on me, looks like I am part of this as well. I do appreciate AIM owning up to the breach, informing customers so they can protect themselves, and offering a year of protection. I wonder if I have to use this 1 year free now, or if I can wait till my free yr from opm, and my free yr from another source to expire 1st... at this rate I'll have free ID protection and monitoring for life ID protection/credit monitoring is like a bugler alarm (at best). Just freeze your credit and lock the door. The AIM breach is fairly insignificant compared to what's been lost in other breaches, which you may not even know included you. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile pretty much. so far i have been hit in EVERY VA breach. i figure i have free monitoring for life at this point |
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