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Posted: 4/23/2016 11:19:37 AM EDT


   
Boat, iPhone belonging to 2 missing Florida
teens who became lost at sea last summer found 100 miles off coast of
Bermuda - Palm Beach Post

   
   



   

     
     
       
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Link Posted: 4/23/2016 11:21:15 AM EDT
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The triangle??
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 11:24:47 AM EDT
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Very sad. This is a good reminder of why good rescue beacons are a must if you're going into the deep ocean, or anywhere isolated from cell service.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 11:35:06 AM EDT
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I remember this... Sad story... Bad storm kicked up fast!!!
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 11:44:48 AM EDT
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 11:54:33 AM EDT
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A friend of mine is the uncle of one of the boys. Sad situation.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 12:03:00 PM EDT
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sad story
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 12:16:07 PM EDT
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.
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Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 12:22:29 PM EDT
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Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.


Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.


Age and life experience has a lot to do with your ability to judge risks and make good decisions. It can also help with keeping your head in a bad situation.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 12:22:45 PM EDT
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.


Disagree.

Thousands of kids, myself included have managed to make it in and out of that inlet millions of times.

The boys chose poorly and it cost them their lives.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 12:27:49 PM EDT
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Glad the family can get some kind of closure.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 12:34:08 PM EDT
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... the image in mind's eye of being stranded in the open ocean gives me the same heebie-jeebies as heights and crawling in caves no bigger than my shoulders
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Disagree.

Thousands of kids, myself included have managed to make it in and out of that inlet millions of times.

The boys chose poorly and it cost them their lives.
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.


Disagree.

Thousands of kids, myself included have managed to make it in and out of that inlet millions of times.

The boys chose poorly and it cost them their lives.

This is true. Maybe if they had been a little older and wiser they would have made a better choice that day.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 12:39:24 PM EDT
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Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.


Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.



Pipe down. This story proves you're wrong.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 12:40:11 PM EDT
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Whole thing is just bad all the way around
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I don't know how a parent ever recovers from that.
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I don't know how a parent ever recovers from that.
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Link Posted: 4/23/2016 1:07:38 PM EDT
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I wonder why the CG waited so long to try to retrieve the boat after they found it. Couldn't they have attached some type of beacon to it so they could locate it again?
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.


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No flame to anyone, but if you get into a boat without a vest, you're an idiot.

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Link Posted: 4/23/2016 1:11:44 PM EDT
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Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.


Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.


Well that escalated quickly. If your a parent and would let your 14 year old take a boat at into open waters, regardless of experience, don't get upset when shit like this happens.

No one questioned their skill, but the risk analysis of a 14 year old versus a 40 year old is not the same, in most cases.
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Pipe down. This story proves you're wrong.
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.


Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.



Pipe down. This story proves you're wrong.


What about the grown ass man who died last week in the same spot?

Is 40 something not old enough either?
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 1:41:04 PM EDT
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I've spent the last 32 years on the water, winter and summer.
Nothing like a squall with 75+ knot winds blowing up on you. It's visable for miles as it approaches. Doesn't change what happens when it hits. Year after year after year.

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Link Posted: 4/23/2016 1:49:06 PM EDT
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That's not the CG's role. They'll search and recover survivors. If you want a small vessel recovered then call Sea Tow (or similar company).

There's a reason I have a PLB on my gear at work. I want the best odds of being found.
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That's not the CG's role. They'll search and recover survivors. If you want a small vessel recovered then call Sea Tow (or similar company).

There's a reason I have a PLB on my gear at work. I want the best odds of being found.
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That's not the CG's role. They'll search and recover survivors. If you want a small vessel recovered then call Sea Tow (or similar company).

There's a reason I have a PLB on my gear at work. I want the best odds of being found.

Then they probably didn't put a swimmer in the water to check under the boat for bodies either.
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The CG doesn't expend resources to tow in derelict boats, especially small ones like that. They will issue a notice to Mariners so people who are sailing in that area will know it's out there.

To be honest I'm surprised it's only to Bermuda. I figured they would have found it off Nova Scotia or even Ireland.
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If we find a boat adrift it is usually considered a hazard to navigation and  sunk on the spot. Well, if it can't be reasonably  recovered. Then again we're not in the business of property recovery

 
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That's not the CG's role. They'll search and recover survivors. If you want a small vessel recovered then call Sea Tow (or similar company).

There's a reason I have a PLB on my gear at work. I want the best odds of being found.

Then they probably didn't put a swimmer in the water to check under the boat for bodies either.


good lord
you do realize that you can drop a rescue jumper to do a search and not be required to airlift the freaking boat out , right? or is my sarcasm meter out of whack?
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That's not the CG's role. They'll search and recover survivors. If you want a small vessel recovered then call Sea Tow (or similar company).

There's a reason I have a PLB on my gear at work. I want the best odds of being found.

Then they probably didn't put a swimmer in the water to check under the boat for bodies either.


IIRC they did. Look at the sinking of the SS El Faro. The CG spotted a lifeboat from the vessel and had a swimmer search it. A deceased member of the crew was found. The search effort was still underway so they left the lifeboat and the deceased drift away. As I stated earlier: the CG is not in the property recovery business, or really the recovery of the deceased either. This standpoint is harsh, but it's the reality of being on the water.
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Link Posted: 4/23/2016 4:12:33 PM EDT
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I remember this story and completely forgot about it until now.  Experienced but went into a storm
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Yup the CG only airlifts living casualties out. If you are already dead you have to wait until the vessel gets to land.

The deceased member of the El Faro was already dead and as harsh as it sounds finding and rescuing potential survivors is much higher on the priorities list than recovering a body. I work on the water and I know I would rather the CG keep looking for living shipmates instead of recovering my body.

The sea is a cruel mistress.

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Very surprised a SeaCraft is still floating that long after it went adrift.  They are tail-heavy boats that don't self-bail all that well in the best of times and that boat with a dead bilge pump, and still floating is beyond mind-blowing (I've owned a number of SeaCraft's, including the exact model in the story).
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Everyone makes these kids out to be some sort of boating prodigy, but the simple fact was, they could NOT be. Experience and wisdom cannot be bought at the bait stand.  

No PFD's worn, no EPIRB, no float plan, iirc no radio, ignored the weather.  All things an experienced boater would have had or noticed. The same things that kill boaters everywhere year after year.
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That's not the CG's role. They'll search and recover survivors. If you want a small vessel recovered then call Sea Tow (or similar company).

There's a reason I have a PLB on my gear at work. I want the best odds of being found.

Then they probably didn't put a swimmer in the water to check under the boat for bodies either.


good lord
you do realize that you can drop a rescue jumper to do a search and not be required to airlift the freaking boat out , right? or is my sarcasm meter out of whack?

I doubt that CG helos do that kind of lifting. A Chinook would be better for that. So if they put a rescue jumper in the water, they can't tie a beacon to the boat so the tow guys can find it so the damn thing doesn't have to be accidentally found and get hauled all the way to Norway just to be shipped back to Fla? It's a big deal that two boys are missing, and all that time and money is spent on the search but marking and retrieving the boat and its contents doesn't matter?
I don't claim to be a search & rescue expert but something seems kind of weird here - finding the boat and then just letting it drift for a few days. Maybe the story is lacking some details.
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From the article.The Coast Guard attached a data marker buoy to the craft, which was in water too deep to use an anchor. When the Coast Guard returned to the location after searching for the boys, the craft had vanished, said Doss.

EXCLUSIVE: Missing Florida teens’ boat found off Bermuda coast photo
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“The marker buoy did not work properly,” said Doss.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 4:26:30 PM EDT
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I duped you.
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Hmmmmmm, I guess reading really is for faggots.

The Coast Guard attached a data marker buoy to the craft, which was in water too deep to use an anchor. When the Coast Guard returned to the location after searching for the boys, the craft had vanished, said Doss.

“The marker buoy did not work properly,” said Doss.


Seriously, that was the second paragraph of the article.  [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_thinking.gif[/img

ETA:  I see you read before the update, I retract my comment.  
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From the article.The Coast Guard attached a data marker buoy to the craft, which was in water too deep to use an anchor. When the Coast Guard returned to the location after searching for the boys, the craft had vanished, said Doss.

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From the article.The Coast Guard attached a data marker buoy to the craft, which was in water too deep to use an anchor. When the Coast Guard returned to the location after searching for the boys, the craft had vanished, said Doss.

EXCLUSIVE: Missing Florida teens’ boat found off Bermuda coast photo
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“The marker buoy did not work properly,” said Doss.

Thanks. I read the story and posted at 1:07, and they updated the story at 3:45.  
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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.






Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.
Age and wisdom....how does that work again? The story in and of itself is enough to say you aren't on your A game with this post.
 
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How is an iPhone recovered from a capsized small boat that was adrift at sea for a year ?

Or did I miss something in that story ??
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Probably in the console

 
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I'm sure it was turtled.

Odds are good they took a wave over the transom and over she went.
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GD really does hate everything.  Now we hate the Coast Guard.
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The CG found the boat back when they first went missing. There was no one on board so they left it and it went on its merry way.

Like others have said, the Coast Guard is not in the salvage business.
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Well that escalated quickly. If your a parent and would let your 14 year old take a boat at into open waters, regardless of experience, don't get upset when shit like this happens.

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And life vest. Sad story I looked for updates on this a few weeks ago. Didn't realize they were 14 year olds. I thought they were older. I don't care how much time they spent on the water these boys were not old enough to take that craft out themselves into open seas.


Bullshit.  I know plenty of 12-14 year old boys and girls I'd let take to the open seas if they were inclined to go.  Just because YOU don't have the experience to do something or have the hours and training, doesn't mean a child doesn't.   Plenty of Adults sucomb to the seas every year because of unforeseen events or storms that pop up.  Pick oceans, mountains, anywhere.  Shit happens.  Age has nothing to do with it.


Well that escalated quickly. If your a parent and would let your 14 year old take a boat at into open waters, regardless of experience, don't get upset when shit like this happens.

No one questioned their skill, but the risk analysis of a 14 year old versus a 40 year old is not the same, in most cases.



Bullshit. My 3 year old went cave diving this morning with his 2 year old buddy all by themselves. They should be back anytime now. Remember, "age has nothing to do with it"
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 6:34:25 PM EDT
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I wonder if apple will help them recover the data from the phone
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The CG found the boat back when they first went missing. There was no one on board so they left it and it went on its merry way.

Like others have said, the Coast Guard is not in the salvage business.
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GD really does hate everything.  Now we hate the Coast Guard.


The CG found the boat back when they first went missing. There was no one on board so they left it and it went on its merry way.

Like others have said, the Coast Guard is not in the salvage business.


Trust me I know. CG used to salvage, then got sued by salvage companies.  You'd think GD would be ok with the .gov not doing something the market can do.  I guess GD wants bigger .gov now.
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I wonder if apple will help them recover the data from the phone
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Being that it's been exposed to saltwater for a year, I wonder if you can even tell it's an I-phone.
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