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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:44:15 PM EDT
[#1]
You can see the guy at the end realize his fate
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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:48:53 PM EDT
[#2]
Fucking savages.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:49:58 PM EDT
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Is this the same one where that British dude gets his melon popped by an APC?
Nope. Same conflict? Looked like the Foot clan was doing the assaulting. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:53:24 PM EDT
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Why are so many of them shooting into the air?
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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:53:41 PM EDT
[#5]
the fuck are they shooting at? birds?
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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:56:32 PM EDT
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Honestly not sure what I saw.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:00:25 PM EDT
[#7]
Some artillery would have ended the snack bars day.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:00:34 PM EDT
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That seemed like a fairly disorganized assault. Lots of heavy weapons by the assaulters, but with armor and heavy cannon they had; the defenders could've made short work of their attackers if they had the training and will power. (Arm chair quarterback opinion)
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:02:10 PM EDT
[#9]
Damn!!! Like fish in a barrel.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:02:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:06:49 PM EDT
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Discipline.
Never go below 1/3 security if contact is possible. 50/50 if probable. Security = dudes behind their weapons scanning their sectors. LP/OP's are not a new invention. They're actually pretty good at detecting infiltration...especially if there are vehicles. Not to be an asshole, but that entire Kenyan unit committed suicide by failing to adhere to basic discipline, let alone established doctrinal priorities of work in the defense. Does not excuse the bad guys, but you shouldn't make it easy for them either. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:09:35 PM EDT
[#12]
Did the Kenyan's even fire back?
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:09:54 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That seemed like a fairly disorganized assault. Lots of heavy weapons by the assaulters, but with armor and heavy cannon they had; the defenders could've made short work of their attackers if they had the training and will power. (Arm chair quarterback opinion) |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:14:47 PM EDT
[#14]
I wonder why the armor wasn't dumping rounds back at them as they were trying to drive away? Maybe no one in the gunner's position, just a driver trying to GTFO of there?
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote History I doubt they had but 6 guys on post. Disorganized or not they completely overwhelmed that camp. It was actually a pretty impressive and aggressive maneuver. True enough it was impressive and very aggressive! I was assuming there was a decent sized group of defenders on site, but hauled ass when caught with their pants down. Truly sad to watch. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:16:42 PM EDT
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Some artillery would have ended the snack bars day. A few rounds from the main gun and coax from the armored vehicles would have ended it too! WTF were they doing in there? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:18:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt they had but 6 guys on post. Disorganized or not they completely overwhelmed that camp. It was actually a pretty impressive and aggressive maneuver. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That seemed like a fairly disorganized assault. Lots of heavy weapons by the assaulters, but with armor and heavy cannon they had; the defenders could've made short work of their attackers if they had the training and will power. (Arm chair quarterback opinion) I doubt they had but 6 guys on post. Disorganized or not they completely overwhelmed that camp. It was actually a pretty impressive and aggressive maneuver. First, smart edit. Second, you could tell: Baddies were trying to stay in their lanes; not achieving, but trying. Clearly marked IFF visual indicators to signal friendly. (poor man's VS17 I guess). Kenyan positions were in ill repair. Kenyan fighting vehicles were not acting in coordinated fashion. While this was a fight between two relatively unskilled forces, the edge goes to jihadis because they were aggressive and obviously trained (but not proficient). Kenyans made it easy for them. One thing, and maybe I missed it, Kenyans weren't firing from their main gun on their vehicles from what I can tell. I wonder if ammo was an issue. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:18:48 PM EDT
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A few rounds from the main gun and coax from the armored vehicles would have ended it too! WTF were they doing in there? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some artillery would have ended the snack bars day. A few rounds from the main gun and coax from the armored vehicles would have ended it too! WTF were they doing in there? 
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:19:53 PM EDT
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Honestly not sure what I saw. Yeah that was pretty fucked up looking Should have been dropping em like flys with them crossing the open like that I didn't see a single bad guy get dropped |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:20:56 PM EDT
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I loathe Al-Shabaab with a. Passion. And it pains me to see Kenya soldiers being massacred like that. They want to fight for their country, but haven't brought the best to the front
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:24:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFirst, smart edit. Second, you could tell: Baddies were trying to stay in their lanes; not achieving, but trying. Clearly marked IFF visual indicators to signal friendly. (poor man's VS17 I guess). Kenyan positions were in ill repair. Kenyan fighting vehicles were not acting in coordinated fashion. While this was a fight between two relatively unskilled forces, the edge goes to jihadis because they were aggressive and obviously trained (but not proficient). Kenyans made it easy for them. One thing, and maybe I missed it, Kenyans weren't firing from their main gun on their vehicles from what I can tell. I wonder if ammo was an issue. All excellent points that after a second watch, I saw. The assaulters were not as disorganized as in my first reaction. Violence of action and maintaining pressure were very strong components. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:25:34 PM EDT
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Discipline. Never go below 1/3 security if contact is possible. 50/50 if probable. Security = dudes behind their weapons scanning their sectors. LP/OP's are not a new invention. They're actually pretty good at detecting infiltration...especially if there are vehicles. Not to be an asshole, but that entire Kenyan unit committed suicide by failing to adhere to basic discipline, let alone established doctrinal priorities of work in the defense. Does not excuse the bad guys, but you shouldn't make it easy for them either. that opening explosion probably made a squad level cop combat ineffective. How many dudes were there? 10-1 odds with surprise and a big ass explosion? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:27:58 PM EDT
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The term, "overlapping fields of fire" from some belts comes to mind there, seriously, those dudes were bunched up out in the open. At least make them get down.
In coordination with armor maneuvers and fire, might have made for an early retreat for those skinnies. I noticed they called them, "crusaders" as well, nope, nothing religious going on there. In all seriousness though, I know jack shit about fighting a war. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:28:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah that was pretty fucked up looking Should have been dropping em like flys with them crossing the open like that I didn't see a single bad guy get dropped Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Honestly not sure what I saw. Yeah that was pretty fucked up looking Should have been dropping em like flys with them crossing the open like that I didn't see a single bad guy get dropped |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:29:27 PM EDT
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First, smart edit. Second, you could tell: Baddies were trying to stay in their lanes; not achieving, but trying. Clearly marked IFF visual indicators to signal friendly. (poor man's VS17 I guess). Kenyan positions were in ill repair. Kenyan fighting vehicles were not acting in coordinated fashion. While this was a fight between two relatively unskilled forces, the edge goes to jihadis because they were aggressive and obviously trained (but not proficient). Kenyans made it easy for them. One thing, and maybe I missed it, Kenyans weren't firing from their main gun on their vehicles from what I can tell. I wonder if ammo was an issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That seemed like a fairly disorganized assault. Lots of heavy weapons by the assaulters, but with armor and heavy cannon they had; the defenders could've made short work of their attackers if they had the training and will power. (Arm chair quarterback opinion) I doubt they had but 6 guys on post. Disorganized or not they completely overwhelmed that camp. It was actually a pretty impressive and aggressive maneuver. First, smart edit. Second, you could tell: Baddies were trying to stay in their lanes; not achieving, but trying. Clearly marked IFF visual indicators to signal friendly. (poor man's VS17 I guess). Kenyan positions were in ill repair. Kenyan fighting vehicles were not acting in coordinated fashion. While this was a fight between two relatively unskilled forces, the edge goes to jihadis because they were aggressive and obviously trained (but not proficient). Kenyans made it easy for them. One thing, and maybe I missed it, Kenyans weren't firing from their main gun on their vehicles from what I can tell. I wonder if ammo was an issue. Maybe they panicked, jumped into the drivers seat and took off. Doesn't look like much if any fire was returned by the Kenyans |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:29:35 PM EDT
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Honestly not sure what I saw. You saw the Special Olympics of combat. 
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:35:02 PM EDT
[#27]
Insurgents are not always stupid.
People assume they have no game...but at times, they do things well. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:35:38 PM EDT
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Insurgents are not always stupid. People assume they have no game...but at times, they do things well. Against peer enemies. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:38:00 PM EDT
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Against peer enemies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Insurgents are not always stupid. People assume they have no game...but at times, they do things well. Against peer enemies. That was a company with heavy weapon augmentation and one hell of an opening explosion. I don't give a fuck who you are. There were maybe 2-3 functional individuals in that cop and they were probably concussed. squad level cops are fucking suicide in a non-permissive environment. platoon is a minimum. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:42:15 PM EDT
[#30]
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That was a company with heavy weapon augmentation and one hell of an opening explosion. I don't give a fuck who you are. There were maybe 2-3 functional individuals in that cop and they were probably concussed. squad level cops are fucking suicide in a non-permissive environment. platoon is a minimum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Insurgents are not always stupid. People assume they have no game...but at times, they do things well. Against peer enemies. That was a company with heavy weapon augmentation and one hell of an opening explosion. I don't give a fuck who you are. There were maybe 2-3 functional individuals in that cop and they were probably concussed. squad level cops are fucking suicide in a non-permissive environment. platoon is a minimum. How did Shabbab get close enough to deliver an explosion like that? Why wasn't there better security at that COP? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:42:39 PM EDT
[#31]
Not enough hitting the target skills.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:43:58 PM EDT
[#32]
Goddamn savages.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:45:10 PM EDT
[#33]
That was alot of dudes assaulting that place that's for sure.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:46:23 PM EDT
[#34]
Isn't that the one where the brit died. Jihad Johnny or something?
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:47:09 PM EDT
[#35]
Needed more 3rd Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment and C Squadron SFOD-D.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:48:15 PM EDT
[#36]
Dude at the end was Pissed and defiant until the end...
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:49:12 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: that opening explosion probably made a squad level cop combat ineffective. How many dudes were there? 10-1 odds with surprise and a big ass explosion? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Discipline. Never go below 1/3 security if contact is possible. 50/50 if probable. Security = dudes behind their weapons scanning their sectors. LP/OP's are not a new invention. They're actually pretty good at detecting infiltration...especially if there are vehicles. Not to be an asshole, but that entire Kenyan unit committed suicide by failing to adhere to basic discipline, let alone established doctrinal priorities of work in the defense. Does not excuse the bad guys, but you shouldn't make it easy for them either. that opening explosion probably made a squad level cop combat ineffective. How many dudes were there? 10-1 odds with surprise and a big ass explosion? If memory serves you're a mech guy. Yeah, you took some dismount losses, but what are you doing with the Vehicles they close? They were moving and turrets were rotating...so I'm going with crews were manning. Techicals are achieving suppression. You know the answer, but I'll state the question for others without similar background: What are you going to do then? (Take out the technicals) Hescos were single layer; not blocking engagement for gunners; probably not an accident b'c they were relying on the vehicles firepower. I'm guessing they had to have been out of ammo. That's the only way I can see them being so ineffective. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:49:29 PM EDT
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How did Shabbab get close enough to deliver an explosion like that? Why wasn't there better security at that COP? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Insurgents are not always stupid. People assume they have no game...but at times, they do things well. Against peer enemies. That was a company with heavy weapon augmentation and one hell of an opening explosion. I don't give a fuck who you are. There were maybe 2-3 functional individuals in that cop and they were probably concussed. squad level cops are fucking suicide in a non-permissive environment. platoon is a minimum. How did Shabbab get close enough to deliver an explosion like that? Why wasn't there better security at that COP? Lack of training and leadership |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:49:51 PM EDT
[#39]
I hate seeing the bad guys win
 And that one dude realize his fate in the APC  The Kenyans were an unorganized cluster. Armor is useless it seems without proper training. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:50:37 PM EDT
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Discipline. Never go below 1/3 security if contact is possible. 50/50 if probable. Security = dudes behind their weapons scanning their sectors. LP/OP's are not a new invention. They're actually pretty good at detecting infiltration...especially if there are vehicles. Not to be an asshole, but that entire Kenyan unit committed suicide by failing to adhere to basic discipline, let alone established doctrinal priorities of work in the defense. Does not excuse the bad guys, but you shouldn't make it easy for them either. Came to post this. They had armor and heavy weapons, nobody pulling security. Against what looked like the zoo let loose even, they got rolled up. Try rolling up on a US Infantry unit like that in the defense and see what happens. I would love to have my old job and be in an LP/OP for that raid in the defense. Those apes would have been receiving headshots, and not know where they are coming from, all unexplained under the cover of their fire. That position was so poorly set up, there is no excuse for it really. This is common in undeveloped nations with no education though, and they are basically animals that look somewhat like humans in their behavior. And people complain about Stand-to. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:51:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did Shabbab get close enough to deliver an explosion like that? Why wasn't there better security at that COP? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Insurgents are not always stupid. People assume they have no game...but at times, they do things well. Against peer enemies. That was a company with heavy weapon augmentation and one hell of an opening explosion. I don't give a fuck who you are. There were maybe 2-3 functional individuals in that cop and they were probably concussed. squad level cops are fucking suicide in a non-permissive environment. platoon is a minimum. How did Shabbab get close enough to deliver an explosion like that? Why wasn't there better security at that COP? Probably rear security detachment while the bulk of the unit was out on patrol or operation I'm guessing. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:55:59 PM EDT
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That was a shit ton of tracers missing overhead. It is almost like they used them to scare folks.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:58:09 PM EDT
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That was a company with heavy weapon augmentation and one hell of an opening explosion. I don't give a fuck who you are. There were maybe 2-3 functional individuals in that cop and they were probably concussed. squad level cops are fucking suicide in a non-permissive environment. platoon is a minimum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Insurgents are not always stupid. People assume they have no game...but at times, they do things well. Against peer enemies. That was a company with heavy weapon augmentation and one hell of an opening explosion. I don't give a fuck who you are. There were maybe 2-3 functional individuals in that cop and they were probably concussed. squad level cops are fucking suicide in a non-permissive environment. platoon is a minimum. They had Company and Battalion-level weapons and vehicles at this position. DShK, BMPs, and Panhard AMLs were present. I wonder how many dudes beat feet once the dust cleared from the VBIED. No triangulated heavy weapons positions, nobody pulling security, but I agree the suicide VBIED was a stunner for the opening. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was a shit ton of tracers missing overhead. It is almost like they used them to scare folks. I think they were "lifting" fire. We don't do that anymore. We shift. Bad guys were lifting fire in order to maintain suppression without committing fratricide, IMO. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:04:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking savages. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:09:32 PM EDT
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They had Company and Battalion-level weapons and vehicles at this position. DShK, BMPs, and Panhard AMLs were present. I wonder how many dudes beat feet once the dust cleared from the VBIED. No triangulated heavy weapons positions, nobody pulling security, but I agree the suicide VBIED was a stunner for the opening. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Insurgents are not always stupid. People assume they have no game...but at times, they do things well. Against peer enemies. That was a company with heavy weapon augmentation and one hell of an opening explosion. I don't give a fuck who you are. There were maybe 2-3 functional individuals in that cop and they were probably concussed. squad level cops are fucking suicide in a non-permissive environment. platoon is a minimum. They had Company and Battalion-level weapons and vehicles at this position. DShK, BMPs, and Panhard AMLs were present. I wonder how many dudes beat feet once the dust cleared from the VBIED. No triangulated heavy weapons positions, nobody pulling security, but I agree the suicide VBIED was a stunner for the opening. There didn't seem to be very many bodies, so assume everyone was elsewhere when it started or everyone ran. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the Kenyan's even fire back? No clue. I'm beginning to think none of the OP vehicles had ammo. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:20:24 PM EDT
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That seemed like a fairly disorganized assault. Lots of heavy weapons by the assaulters, but with armor and heavy cannon they had; the defenders could've made short work of their attackers if they had the training and will power. (Arm chair quarterback opinion) No, you're right: I didn't see a single main gun round from one of those AMLs. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:21:14 PM EDT
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I doubt they had but 6 guys on post. Disorganized or not they completely overwhelmed that camp. It was actually a pretty impressive and aggressive maneuver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That seemed like a fairly disorganized assault. Lots of heavy weapons by the assaulters, but with armor and heavy cannon they had; the defenders could've made short work of their attackers if they had the training and will power. (Arm chair quarterback opinion) I doubt they had but 6 guys on post. Disorganized or not they completely overwhelmed that camp. It was actually a pretty impressive and aggressive maneuver. For a bunch of idiots, yea, impressive. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:27:03 PM EDT
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That was a shit ton of tracers missing overhead. It is almost like they used them to scare folks. Read Grossman's book On Killing. Most war is nothing more than shooting over people's heads. It's fascinating. |
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