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Posted: 2/13/2016 11:54:35 PM EDT
I do agree our future is looking pretty bleak, with the debt, wars, terrorism, Supreme Court justice dying, etc.
I'm not really old enough to remember way back, so this is more of a question. Hasn't things always been bad? There has pretty much been something to panic over since 1776. Imagine living through the civil war, the Great Depression, WW1,WW2, Vietnam, Cuban missile crisis, etc. I would think those are more significant events than what's going on right now. And America is still here. For example, here's a list of wars in order throughout US history. 1637The Pequot War - Native Indians of Connecticut included the Narragansetts, Mohegans, Wampanoags, Nipmucks, Pocumtucks, Abenakis and Pequots. The Pequots were defeated by the colonists, who were led by John Underhill and John Mason, and the Narragansetts and Mohegans who were their allies 16401640 - 1701 - The Beaver Wars, also known as the Iroquois Wars or the French and Iroquois Wars 16551655 - The Peach Tree War, also known as the Peach War, was a large scale attack by the Susquehannock Nation and allied Native Americans on several New Netherland settlements centered on New Amsterdam 16751675 - 1677 King Philip's War so named after Metacomet of the Wampanoag tribe, who was called Philip by the English. The war was bloody and bitterly fought by the colonists against the Wampanoags, Narragansetts, Nipmucks, Pocumtucks, and Abenakis. During King Philip's War, up to one third of America's white population was wiped out. This war proved to be the final struggle by the Native Americans of Connecticut. 17111711-1713: The Tuscarora War between the Tuscarora Native Americans and European settlers. The Tuscarora are defeated 1715The Yamasee War - An Indian confederation led by the Yamasee came close to exterminating the white settlements in their area 1722Iroquois surrender claims to land south of the Ohio River in addition to counties in the eastern panhandle 17561756 - 1763: The Seven Years War (French and Indian War) due to disputes over land is won by Great Britain. France gives England all French territory east of the Mississippi River, except New Orleans. The Spanish give up east and west Florida to the English in return for Cuba. 1763February 10: Treaty of Paris ends French and Indian War (1754-1763). Canada east of the Mississippi River added to the British empire. 1764Pontiac's Rebellion. The British treated the former Indian allies of the French like conquered peoples, which prompted the Ottawa Chief Pontiac (1720-1769) to lead a rebellion of a number of tribes against the British 1773December 16: The Boston Tea Party - Massachusetts patriots dressed as Mohawk Indians protest against the British Tea Act by dumping crates of tea into Boston Harbor. For additional facts and information about refer to Colonial America 17751775 - 1783 - The American Revolution creates the United States of America. The Revolution was due to the British burden of taxes and total power to legislate any laws governing the American colonies. George Washington led the American victory over Great Britain in the American Revolutionary War (American War of Independence). Timeline of Wars 1776Chickamauga Wars (1776–1794) Cherokee involvement in the American Revolutionary War and continuing through late 1794 1778July 10, 1778 - France declares war against Britain and makes an alliance with the American revolutionary forces 1783September 3, 1783 - The Treaty of Paris is signed by the victorious United States and the defeated Great Britain 1785Northwest Indian War (1785–1795) 1794Nickajack Expedition (1794) 1805Barbary Wars 1806Sabine Expedition (1806) 1811Tecumseh's War (1811–1813) 1811Creek War (1813–1814) 1813Peoria War (1813) 1811Battle of Tippecanoe 1812War of 1812 begins. 18121812 - 1815 - The War of 1812 between U.S. and Great Britain, ended in a stalemate but confirmed America's Independence 1817First Seminole War (1817–1818) 1827Winnebago War (1827) 1831Nat Turner's revolt 1832Black Hawk War Seminole War begins Department of Indian Affairs established 1832Black Hawk War (1832) 1835Creek Alabama Uprising (1835–1837) 1836Florida–Georgia Border War (1836) 1835Second Seminole War (1835–1842) 1836Missouri–Iowa Border War (1836) 1837Osage Indian War (1837) 1835Texas War for Independence begins 1846Mexican-American War begins and ends in 1848 18611861 - 1865: The American Civil War. outbreak of the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln, a known opponent of slavery, was elected president and in 1861 the South Secedes. The initial Secession of South Carolina was followed by the secession of Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina. These eleven states eventually formed the Confederate States of America. The bombardment of Fort Sumter was the opening engagement of the American Civil War. 1865The surrender of Robert E. Lee on April 9 1865 signalled the end of the Confederacy 1874Red River Wars 1877Nez Perce War 18981898-1901 The Spanish American War. On December 10, 1898 the Treaty of Paris the US annexes Puerto Rico, Guam, Philippines. 1914WW1 started 28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918 1917US enters World War I 1939Germany invades Poland; World War II begins 1941Attack on Pearl Harbor U.S. enters World War II 1944D-Day Battle of the Bulge 1945 August 6: The United States drops atomic bomb on Hiroshima - ( US B29 Super fortress bomber, called the 'Enola Gay') A 20 kiloton bomb 'Little Boy' kills 80,000 August 9: The United States drops atomic bomb on Nagasaki in Japan (US Superfortress 'Bockscar' bomb was called Fat Man) The 22 kiloton 'Fat Man' bomb killed 70,000 people) 1946The Cold War began between the United States and the Soviet Union 1950Korean War begins 1959Cuban Revolution 1961Vietnam War officially begins with 900 military advisors landing in Saigon 1962Cuban Missile Crisis 1973Vietnam War ends with US pulling out in 1973 1990Iraq invades Kuwait leading to 1991 Gulf War 1991Gulf War 1993World Trade Center bombing 2001September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks on the World Trade Center and The Pentagon Invasion of Afghanistan Operation "Enduring Freedom" |
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Yes, there have always been crisis...but this time it's obviously (and inexplicably) different.
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No, when Ronald Reagan was President, things were much better.
Hizbullah blew up the embassy and Marine barracks, and Reagan kept the "peace." |
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the economy the last 30 years is a church it runs on faith and good will
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It's not just conflicts - the economy factors into the overall "feel" as well.
Think things suck today? Go look up the misery index numbers for the 70's. It peaked at 19+% by the end of Carter's term. Are things great today? No. Could be much better. But we're not lined up for blocks waiting for our turn to buy gas on odd or even days based on our license plate number. |
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The difference is the burgeoning population and the death of personal responsibility.
The path out of the current situation is not so clear as we once had, the solutions were simple, fall back on basic principles. All that has been abandoned in a society that lives for consumption, and immediate, personal gratification. |
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... people will make their happiness, or bring on their misery, largely by themselves
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0bama has been the biggest crisis this national has ever dealt with,, the war from within it will take 50 years if ever to remove this asses negative impact to America
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I do agree our future is looking pretty bleak, with the debt, wars, terrorism, Supreme Court justice dying, etc. I'm not really old enough to remember way back, so this is more of a question. Hasn't things always been bad? There has pretty much been something to panic over since 1776. Imagine living through the civil war, the Great Depression, WW1,WW2, Vietnam, Cuban missile crisis, etc. I would think those are more significant events than what's going on right now. And America is still here. For example, here's a list of wars in order throughout US history. 1637The Pequot War - Native Indians of Connecticut included the Narragansetts, Mohegans, Wampanoags, Nipmucks, Pocumtucks, Abenakis and Pequots. The Pequots were defeated by the colonists, who were led by John Underhill and John Mason, and the Narragansetts and Mohegans who were their allies 16401640 - 1701 - The Beaver Wars, also known as the Iroquois Wars or the French and Iroquois Wars 16551655 - The Peach Tree War, also known as the Peach War, was a large scale attack by the Susquehannock Nation and allied Native Americans on several New Netherland settlements centered on New Amsterdam 16751675 - 1677 King Philip's War so named after Metacomet of the Wampanoag tribe, who was called Philip by the English. The war was bloody and bitterly fought by the colonists against the Wampanoags, Narragansetts, Nipmucks, Pocumtucks, and Abenakis. During King Philip's War, up to one third of America's white population was wiped out. This war proved to be the final struggle by the Native Americans of Connecticut. 17111711-1713: The Tuscarora War between the Tuscarora Native Americans and European settlers. The Tuscarora are defeated 1715The Yamasee War - An Indian confederation led by the Yamasee came close to exterminating the white settlements in their area 1722Iroquois surrender claims to land south of the Ohio River in addition to counties in the eastern panhandle 17561756 - 1763: The Seven Years War (French and Indian War) due to disputes over land is won by Great Britain. France gives England all French territory east of the Mississippi River, except New Orleans. The Spanish give up east and west Florida to the English in return for Cuba. 1763February 10: Treaty of Paris ends French and Indian War (1754-1763). Canada east of the Mississippi River added to the British empire. 1764Pontiac's Rebellion. The British treated the former Indian allies of the French like conquered peoples, which prompted the Ottawa Chief Pontiac (1720-1769) to lead a rebellion of a number of tribes against the British 1773December 16: The Boston Tea Party - Massachusetts patriots dressed as Mohawk Indians protest against the British Tea Act by dumping crates of tea into Boston Harbor. For additional facts and information about refer to Colonial America 17751775 - 1783 - The American Revolution creates the United States of America. The Revolution was due to the British burden of taxes and total power to legislate any laws governing the American colonies. George Washington led the American victory over Great Britain in the American Revolutionary War (American War of Independence). Timeline of Wars 1776Chickamauga Wars (1776–1794) Cherokee involvement in the American Revolutionary War and continuing through late 1794 1778July 10, 1778 - France declares war against Britain and makes an alliance with the American revolutionary forces 1783September 3, 1783 - The Treaty of Paris is signed by the victorious United States and the defeated Great Britain 1785Northwest Indian War (1785–1795) 1794Nickajack Expedition (1794) 1805Barbary Wars 1806Sabine Expedition (1806) 1811Tecumseh's War (1811–1813) 1811Creek War (1813–1814) 1813Peoria War (1813) 1811Battle of Tippecanoe 1812War of 1812 begins. 18121812 - 1815 - The War of 1812 between U.S. and Great Britain, ended in a stalemate but confirmed America's Independence 1817First Seminole War (1817–1818) 1827Winnebago War (1827) 1831Nat Turner's revolt 1832Black Hawk War Seminole War begins Department of Indian Affairs established 1832Black Hawk War (1832) 1835Creek Alabama Uprising (1835–1837) 1836Florida–Georgia Border War (1836) 1835Second Seminole War (1835–1842) 1836Missouri–Iowa Border War (1836) 1837Osage Indian War (1837) 1835Texas War for Independence begins 1846Mexican-American War begins and ends in 1848 18611861 - 1865: The American Civil War. outbreak of the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln, a known opponent of slavery, was elected president and in 1861 the South Secedes. The initial Secession of South Carolina was followed by the secession of Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina. These eleven states eventually formed the Confederate States of America. The bombardment of Fort Sumter was the opening engagement of the American Civil War. 1865The surrender of Robert E. Lee on April 9 1865 signalled the end of the Confederacy 1874Red River Wars 1877Nez Perce War 18981898-1901 The Spanish American War. On December 10, 1898 the Treaty of Paris the US annexes Puerto Rico, Guam, Philippines. 1914WW1 started 28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918 1917US enters World War I 1939Germany invades Poland; World War II begins 1941Attack on Pearl Harbor U.S. enters World War II 1944D-Day Battle of the Bulge 1945 August 6: The United States drops atomic bomb on Hiroshima - ( US B29 Super fortress bomber, called the 'Enola Gay') A 20 kiloton bomb 'Little Boy' kills 80,000 August 9: The United States drops atomic bomb on Nagasaki in Japan (US Superfortress 'Bockscar' bomb was called Fat Man) The 22 kiloton 'Fat Man' bomb killed 70,000 people) 1946The Cold War began between the United States and the Soviet Union 1950Korean War begins 1959Cuban Revolution 1961Vietnam War officially begins with 900 military advisors landing in Saigon 1962Cuban Missile Crisis 1973Vietnam War ends with US pulling out in 1973 1990Iraq invades Kuwait leading to 1991 Gulf War 1991Gulf War 1993World Trade Center bombing 2001September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks on the World Trade Center and The Pentagon Invasion of Afghanistan Operation "Enduring Freedom" View Quote |
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Things are always bad. Things HAVE NEVER been better. One example: Right now I am talking to you using a device the size of my palm. It is connected to a library of data, indexed for my convenience, of every fact known to man. In seconds any piece of information I want can be in my hands. It's a freaking miracle, it's Star Trek, only they didn't have anything this cool.
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The difference is the burgeoning population and the death of personal responsibility. The path out of the current situation is not so clear as we once had, the solutions were simple, fall back on basic principles. All that has been abandoned in a society that lives for consumption, and immediate, personal gratification. View Quote When were "the solutions" simple? The solutions, if any there were, were never simple. Nowhen. Anybody that believes they were, is engaging in historical amnesia, delusive nostalgia, and Orwellian memory holery. |
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When were "the solutions" simple? The solutions, if any there were, were never simple. Nowhen. Anybody that believes they were, is engaging in historical amnesia, delusive nostalgia, and Orwellian memory holery. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The difference is the burgeoning population and the death of personal responsibility. The path out of the current situation is not so clear as we once had, the solutions were simple, fall back on basic principles. All that has been abandoned in a society that lives for consumption, and immediate, personal gratification. When were "the solutions" simple? The solutions, if any there were, were never simple. Nowhen. Anybody that believes they were, is engaging in historical amnesia, delusive nostalgia, and Orwellian memory holery. The path to the solutions were simple. We put our heads down and did the work. Hard work. Complicated work that was simple to predict. |
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The difference is the burgeoning population and the death of personal responsibility. The path out of the current situation is not so clear as we once had, the solutions were simple, fall back on basic principles. All that has been abandoned in a society that lives for consumption, and immediate, personal gratification. View Quote The solution, however, is as it always has been: simple. |
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1990's.
Stuff has got more expensive. Money is not worth what it used to be. We have millions of losers that are dependent on the government. Our country is weak. Politics are screwing everything up. In the past if there was a problem the country worked to fix the problem. Now the gov is producing the problems. And we can't work to fix the problem because we would be called extremist. |
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Quoted: Things are always bad. Things HAVE NEVER been better. One example: Right now I am talking to you using a device the size of my palm. It is connected to a library of data, indexed for my convenience, of every fact known to man. In seconds any piece of information I want can be in my hands. It's a freaking miracle, it's Star Trek, only they didn't have anything this cool. View Quote Would you trade the last 3 decades of technological advances for a rollback of 3 decades of government expansion? I would rewind the fuck out of some vhs tapes and just read real books. |
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Would you trade the last 3 decades of technological advances for a rollback of 3 decades of government expansion? I would rewind the fuck out of some vhs tapes and just read real books. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Things are always bad. Things HAVE NEVER been better. One example: Right now I am talking to you using a device the size of my palm. It is connected to a library of data, indexed for my convenience, of every fact known to man. In seconds any piece of information I want can be in my hands. It's a freaking miracle, it's Star Trek, only they didn't have anything this cool. Would you trade the last 3 decades of technological advances for a rollback of 3 decades of government expansion? I would rewind the fuck out of some vhs tapes and just read real books. Three decades ago cancer was an almost automatic death sentence, this year they completely cured a child's Luekemia, they kick cancer's ass more and more every day. We are poised on the precipice of multiple medical miracles that each offer the legitimate chance to radically increase the healthy human lifespan. Once we can get the faith-based out of the way we will again begin the process of permanently eradicating diseases. On the astrophysics front we just sent a probe to Pluto, we have another on it's way to peer beneath the clouds of Jupiter, we have a robot the size of the ScoobyDoo van motoring around Mars, and LIGO just opened the door to an entirely new way of viewing and studying the most inhospitable places in the universe. New telescopes of absolutely astonishing size are under construction as I type this, including the THIRTY METER monster in Hawaii--currently on (one hopes temporary) delay thanks to the religious. I could go on. Page after page of astonishing progress. Every field, every science, every industry. It had never been better. It's never even been close. Even politically things are still pretty damn good. You want to roll the clock back a couple decades? You mean the glory days of the Assault Weapons Ban, and two thousand dollar mutant ARs? Yeah our debt is too high but as a percent of GDP it's not really all that unmanageable. Despite what the pundits and gold hucksters say, the world's big money people still thing America is the best bet. So should you. On the political front, as most everywhere else, it remains a battle among the boomers to see which faction can rape and pillage and fuck things up the most on their way out the door. With the exception of the perpetually idiotic college children and their teachers, Generation X and Y and Z are too busy working and fixing shit to do more than mutter and carry on. We don't need safe spaces, political correctness, or bronze age boogeymen. We aren't afraid of science, the Russians or Iranians, or even spooky gay people. Nor are we particularly worried about the damage a Sanders or Clinton might do. The politicians will, as usual, fuck things up pandering to the fears of their ancient supporters, but whatever they do we will fix it. We will fix it and carry on making the world and this country even better. Today is okay, never better, and tomorrow better still. So stop worrying and enjoy the ride. |
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Yes things are bad and its going to get a lot worse. However, don't dwell in fear but enjoy life. Never mind the flat screen, smart phone, fast car, clubbing (not saying you do or have any of these things), but 3B's is all you need. Ever see poor kids play? They don't know they're poor and still have fun. Be like that (have fun and enjoy life without harming others), but like the Boy Scouts and the Coast Guard, Semper Paratus and practice Hay-Seuss' Golden Rule.
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Three decades ago cancer was an almost automatic death sentence, this year they completely cured a child's Luekemia, they kick cancer's ass more and more every day. We are poised on the precipice of multiple medical miracles that each offer the legitimate chance to radically increase the healthy human lifespan. Once we can get the faith-based out of the way we will again begin the process of permanently eradicating diseases. On the astrophysics front we just sent a probe to Pluto, we have another on it's way to peer beneath the clouds of Jupiter, we have a robot the size of the ScoobyDoo van motoring around Mars, and LIGO just opened the door to an entirely new way of viewing and studying the most inhospitable places in the universe. New telescopes of absolutely astonishing size are under construction as I type this, including the THIRTY METER monster in Hawaii--currently on (one hopes temporary) delay thanks to the religious. I could go on. Page after page of astonishing progress. Every field, every science, every industry. It had never been better. It's never even been close. Even politically things are still pretty damn good. You want to roll the clock back a couple decades? You mean the glory days of the Assault Weapons Ban, and two thousand dollar mutant ARs? Yeah our debt is too high but as a percent of GDP it's not really all that unmanageable. Despite what the pundits and gold hucksters say, the world's big money people still thing America is the best bet. So should you. On the political front, as most everywhere else, it remains a battle among the boomers to see which faction can rape and pillage and fuck things up the most on their way out the door. With the exception of the perpetually idiotic college children and their teachers, Generation X and Y and Z are too busy working and fixing shit to do more than mutter and carry on. We don't need safe spaces, political correctness, or bronze age boogeymen. We aren't afraid of science, the Russians or Iranians, or even spooky gay people. Nor are we particularly worried about the damage a Sanders or Clinton might do. The politicians will, as usual, fuck things up pandering to the fears of their ancient supporters, but whatever they do we will fix it. We will fix it and carry on making the world and this country even better. Today is okay, never better, and tomorrow better still. So stop worrying and enjoy the ride. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Things are always bad. Things HAVE NEVER been better. One example: Right now I am talking to you using a device the size of my palm. It is connected to a library of data, indexed for my convenience, of every fact known to man. In seconds any piece of information I want can be in my hands. It's a freaking miracle, it's Star Trek, only they didn't have anything this cool. Would you trade the last 3 decades of technological advances for a rollback of 3 decades of government expansion? I would rewind the fuck out of some vhs tapes and just read real books. Three decades ago cancer was an almost automatic death sentence, this year they completely cured a child's Luekemia, they kick cancer's ass more and more every day. We are poised on the precipice of multiple medical miracles that each offer the legitimate chance to radically increase the healthy human lifespan. Once we can get the faith-based out of the way we will again begin the process of permanently eradicating diseases. On the astrophysics front we just sent a probe to Pluto, we have another on it's way to peer beneath the clouds of Jupiter, we have a robot the size of the ScoobyDoo van motoring around Mars, and LIGO just opened the door to an entirely new way of viewing and studying the most inhospitable places in the universe. New telescopes of absolutely astonishing size are under construction as I type this, including the THIRTY METER monster in Hawaii--currently on (one hopes temporary) delay thanks to the religious. I could go on. Page after page of astonishing progress. Every field, every science, every industry. It had never been better. It's never even been close. Even politically things are still pretty damn good. You want to roll the clock back a couple decades? You mean the glory days of the Assault Weapons Ban, and two thousand dollar mutant ARs? Yeah our debt is too high but as a percent of GDP it's not really all that unmanageable. Despite what the pundits and gold hucksters say, the world's big money people still thing America is the best bet. So should you. On the political front, as most everywhere else, it remains a battle among the boomers to see which faction can rape and pillage and fuck things up the most on their way out the door. With the exception of the perpetually idiotic college children and their teachers, Generation X and Y and Z are too busy working and fixing shit to do more than mutter and carry on. We don't need safe spaces, political correctness, or bronze age boogeymen. We aren't afraid of science, the Russians or Iranians, or even spooky gay people. Nor are we particularly worried about the damage a Sanders or Clinton might do. The politicians will, as usual, fuck things up pandering to the fears of their ancient supporters, but whatever they do we will fix it. We will fix it and carry on making the world and this country even better. Today is okay, never better, and tomorrow better still. So stop worrying and enjoy the ride. Lord yes. I'm tired of the polarization. The dig in and loud voices of each sides far end idiots is what's wrong. FFS. |
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