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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:22:05 PM EDT
Police unions blasted the guilty verdict against Officer Peter Liang Thursday, claiming it will hinder the efforts of cops who risk their lives while trying to prevent bloodshed. “We are very disappointed in the verdict and believe that the jury came to an absolutely wrong decision,” said Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. “This bad verdict will have a chilling effect on police officers across the city because it criminalizes a tragic accident.” The president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, Ed Mullins, went so far as to call for the city to end vertical patrols in public housing, a policy Liang was carrying out when he fatally shot Akai Gurley in a stairwell in November 2014. Link |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:23:00 PM EDT
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Weren't some other cops killed in adjacent buildings?
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:26:48 PM EDT
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https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/new-york-police_.jpg?quality=100&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1 Police unions blasted the guilty verdict against Officer Peter Liang Thursday, claiming it will hinder the efforts of cops who risk their lives while trying to prevent bloodshed. “We are very disappointed in the verdict and believe that the jury came to an absolutely wrong decision,” said Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. “This bad verdict will have a chilling effect on police officers across the city because it criminalizes a tragic accident.” The president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, Ed Mullins, went so far as to call for the city to end vertical patrols in public housing, a policy Liang was carrying out when he fatally shot Akai Gurley in a stairwell in November 2014. Link Mullins, claiming the guilty verdict will destroy Liang’s life, added, “Sadly a young, nonbiased Asian officer lost his own life today for trying to protect people who live in one of the most violent public housing projects in the City of New York.” Well that kind of happens when your fuck up kills someone. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:35:56 PM EDT
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“We are very disappointed in the verdict and believe that the jury came to an absolutely wrong decision,” said Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. What do you think a press release from the Crips, or the mafia, or El Medelin might sound like? I bet it would sound a lot like that fucking tripe. It is nice to know that LE mucky mucks think so little of the system. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:37:48 PM EDT
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Boo hoo. I guess he accidentally had his finger on the trigger.
Cops should absolutely be held to a higher standard on stuff like this. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:39:04 PM EDT
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Well that kind of happens when your fuck up kills someone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/new-york-police_.jpg?quality=100&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1 Police unions blasted the guilty verdict against Officer Peter Liang Thursday, claiming it will hinder the efforts of cops who risk their lives while trying to prevent bloodshed. “We are very disappointed in the verdict and believe that the jury came to an absolutely wrong decision,” said Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. “This bad verdict will have a chilling effect on police officers across the city because it criminalizes a tragic accident.” The president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, Ed Mullins, went so far as to call for the city to end vertical patrols in public housing, a policy Liang was carrying out when he fatally shot Akai Gurley in a stairwell in November 2014. Link Mullins, claiming the guilty verdict will destroy Liang’s life, added, “Sadly a young, nonbiased Asian officer lost his own life today for trying to protect people who live in one of the most violent public housing projects in the City of New York.” Well that kind of happens when your fuck up kills someone. The guy he capped was acutally the popes brother |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:39:05 PM EDT
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KEEP YOUR BUGGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH.
Of all the stupid "muh baby was unarmed" shit that makes the news, this is the only incident where the officer actually fucked up. And if firearm training is as bad as Extorris has said, maybe the officer has a case against the PD. But the unions are absolutely wrong to protest this. Argue about shitty training, fine -- but this is completely the officer's fault. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:39:19 PM EDT
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I wonder if Patrick Lynch ever arrested someone for negligent manslaughter.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:40:36 PM EDT
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What do you think a press release from the Crips, or the mafia, or El Medelin might sound like? I bet it would like a lot like that fucking tripe. It is nice to know that LE mucky mucks think so little of the system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“We are very disappointed in the verdict and believe that the jury came to an absolutely wrong decision,” said Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. What do you think a press release from the Crips, or the mafia, or El Medelin might sound like? I bet it would like a lot like that fucking tripe. It is nice to know that LE mucky mucks think so little of the system. I wonder what would happen if the dead guy had shot the cop and said it was an accident. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:40:37 PM EDT
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... this is the only incident where the officer actually fucked up.  Huh?
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:41:30 PM EDT
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KEEP YOUR BUGGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH. Of all the stupid "muh baby was unarmed" shit that makes the news, this is the only incident where the officer actually fucked up. And if firearm training is as bad as Extorris has said, maybe the officer has a case against the PD. But the unions are absolutely wrong to protest this. Argue about shitty training, fine -- but this is completely the officer's fault. And as Extorris said earlier, if said officer stood there and placed a call to his union rep before calling for a squad, I'd say that had an impact on the jury's decision. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:41:30 PM EDT
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#ohwell
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:17:59 PM EDT
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Maybe they'll finally stop the practice of patrolling the stairways and roofs of occupied apartment buildings with their guns drawn...nah,doubt it
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:30:53 PM EDT
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KEEP YOUR BUGGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH. Of all the stupid "muh baby was unarmed" shit that makes the news, this is the only incident where the officer actually fucked up. And if firearm training is as bad as Extorris has said, maybe the officer has a case against the PD. But the unions are absolutely wrong to protest this. Argue about shitty training, fine -- but this is completely the officer's fault. 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:31:50 PM EDT
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KEEP YOUR BUGGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH. Of all the stupid "muh baby was unarmed" shit that makes the news, this is the only incident where the officer actually fucked up. And if firearm training is as bad as Extorris has said, maybe the officer has a case against the PD. But the unions are absolutely wrong to protest this. Argue about shitty training, fine -- but this is completely the officer's fault. http://www.dwaynebaraka.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Inigo-Montoya-WORD-MEANS.jpg lol, I was a little heated when replying and had a brain fart. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:32:19 PM EDT
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Shoot & kill an innocent person and you can reasonably expect to see the inside of a jail. What's so complicated about this
Also "Sadly a young, nonbiased Asian officer lost his own life today for trying to..." Oh ... For ... Fuck's ... Sake 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:35:40 PM EDT
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Shoot & kill an innocent person and you can reasonably expect to see the inside of a jail. What's so complicated about this
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Shoot & kill an innocent person and you can reasonably expect to see the inside of a jail. What's so complicated about this
Also "Sadly a young, nonbiased Asian officer lost his own life today for trying to..." Oh ... For ... Fuck's ... Sake But he's a law enforcement officer! Feelz.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:39:57 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding?
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:42:07 PM EDT
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But he's a law enforcement officer! Feelz.
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Shoot & kill an innocent person and you can reasonably expect to see the inside of a jail. What's so complicated about this
Also "Sadly a young, nonbiased Asian officer lost his own life today for trying to..." Oh ... For ... Fuck's ... Sake But he's a law enforcement officer! Feelz.
An Asian law enforcement officer! You can't send this man to prison: He's not even white!! 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:44:16 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Really?
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:44:20 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was negligent with the handling of his firearm. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:44:30 PM EDT
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All 12 of the jury made it home safe - good verdict.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:44:33 PM EDT
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lol, I was a little heated when replying and had a brain fart. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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KEEP YOUR BUGGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH. Of all the stupid "muh baby was unarmed" shit that makes the news, this is the only incident where the officer actually fucked up. And if firearm training is as bad as Extorris has said, maybe the officer has a case against the PD. But the unions are absolutely wrong to protest this. Argue about shitty training, fine -- but this is completely the officer's fault. http://www.dwaynebaraka.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Inigo-Montoya-WORD-MEANS.jpg lol, I was a little heated when replying and had a brain fart.  I assumed so.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:44:51 PM EDT
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Let's ask the union what they think should happen when the officer fucks up . Maybe like LA shooting unarmed people delivering newspapers is justified . That does not make it right .
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:45:05 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Just because you are driving code doesn't relieve you of your responsibility to drive with due regard for other motorists. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:45:50 PM EDT
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Why didn't he have a drop gun?
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:46:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was careless with the handling of his firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was careless with the handling of his firearm. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:46:08 PM EDT
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... Police unions blasted the guilty verdict against Officer Peter Liang Thursday, claiming it will hinder the efforts of cops who risk their lives while trying to prevent bloodshed. ... I'm not sure that's the phrase I'd use when talking about someone guilty of manslaughter. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:47:29 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Was the officer being negligent? Did he run over a bunch of kids because he was cutting through a park? Was the persuee an imminent threat to others or were the LEOs just bored? Regardless, sending the message that there's no consequence for officers who kill the wrong person is a really bad idea. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:47:44 PM EDT
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How is driving too fast, losing control of a car running someone over different than shooting someone because you stumbled and had your finger on the trigger? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was careless with the handling of his firearm. They aren't. The officer should be liable for his actions in either case. Unless of course he's in California and texting for official business at the time, then he's allowed to run over people without legal liability. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:50:02 PM EDT
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How is driving too fast, losing control of a car running someone over different than shooting someone because you stumbled and had your finger on the trigger? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was careless with the handling of his firearm. Presumably apprehending criminals is part of the job, and doing so can be dangerous to self and the public. Haven't the courts decided that responsibilities for such deaths rests on the party that committed the crime? Why is this officer walking up a presumed unoccupied stairwell with a drawn gun? Officer said "he didn't think anyone was there", so what was the reason to draw the weapon in the first place? Regardless, resting his finger on the trigger without a clear target is negligent and goes against well known and accepted best practices of firearm handling. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:51:04 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? That is different, the gun is evil
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:52:02 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Was the guy who was shot a criminal ? Was he in commission of a crime ? I thought I remember this as an accidental shooting while officer finger bang was on patrol and fell down . |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:53:13 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? That is different, the gun is evil |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:53:20 PM EDT
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Presumably apprehending criminals is part of the job, and doing so can be dangerous to self and the public. Haven't the courts decided that responsibilities for such deaths rests on the party that committed the crime? Why is this officer walking up a presumed unoccupied stairwell with a drawn gun? Officer said "he didn't think anyone was there", so what was the reason to draw the weapon in the first place? Regardless, resting his finger on the trigger without a clear target is negligent and goes against well known and accepted best practices of firearm handling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was careless with the handling of his firearm. Presumably apprehending criminals is part of the job, and doing so can be dangerous to self and the public. Haven't the courts decided that responsibilities for such deaths rests on the party that committed the crime? Why is this officer walking up a presumed unoccupied stairwell with a drawn gun? Officer said "he didn't think anyone was there", so what was the reason to draw the weapon in the first place? Regardless, resting his finger on the trigger without a clear target is negligent and goes against well known and accepted best practices of firearm handling. If the officer misjudges a turn and injures someone that is an accident. If the officer drops a weapon he had a reasonable reason to unholster and it goes off and injures someone that is an accident. Walking around with your trigger on the finger? Negligence. (IMHO. IANAL.) |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:53:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Presumably apprehending criminals is part of the job, and doing so can be dangerous to self and the public. Haven't the courts decided that responsibilities for such deaths rests on the party that committed the crime? Why is this officer walking up a presumed unoccupied stairwell with a drawn gun? Officer said "he didn't think anyone was there", so what was the reason to draw the weapon in the first place? Regardless, resting his finger on the trigger without a clear target is negligent and goes against best practices of firearm handling. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was careless with the handling of his firearm. Presumably apprehending criminals is part of the job, and doing so can be dangerous to self and the public. Haven't the courts decided that responsibilities for such deaths rests on the party that committed the crime? Why is this officer walking up a presumed unoccupied stairwell with a drawn gun? Officer said "he didn't think anyone was there", so what was the reason to draw the weapon in the first place? Regardless, resting his finger on the trigger without a clear target is negligent and goes against best practices of firearm handling. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:53:50 PM EDT
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Meh, they charged Richard Neri for a very similar shooting back in 2004 and cops were still doing vertical patrols afterwards just like there are still guys doing them after this incident.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:55:08 PM EDT
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I wonder if Patrick Lynch ever arrested someone for negligent manslaughter. I doubt he ever arrested anyone for much of anything considering his assignment before he became union president. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:55:10 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? If he lost control and killed an innocent due to negligent driving, absolutely! |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:56:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the officer misjudges a turn and injures someone that is an accident. If the officer drops a weapon he had a reasonable reason to unholster and it goes off and injures someone that is an accident. Walking around with your trigger on the finger? Negligence. (IMHO. IANAL.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was careless with the handling of his firearm. Presumably apprehending criminals is part of the job, and doing so can be dangerous to self and the public. Haven't the courts decided that responsibilities for such deaths rests on the party that committed the crime? Why is this officer walking up a presumed unoccupied stairwell with a drawn gun? Officer said "he didn't think anyone was there", so what was the reason to draw the weapon in the first place? Regardless, resting his finger on the trigger without a clear target is negligent and goes against well known and accepted best practices of firearm handling. If the officer misjudges a turn and injures someone that is an accident. If the officer drops a weapon he had a reasonable reason to unholster and it goes off and injures someone that is an accident. Walking around with your trigger on the finger? Negligence. (IMHO. IANAL.) |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:57:55 PM EDT
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How is driving too fast, losing control of a car running someone over different than shooting someone because you stumbled and had your finger on the trigger? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was careless with the handling of his firearm. 'cause, you know, guns are BAD. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:58:08 PM EDT
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Driving so fast that your patrol car slides up on the sidewalk and squishes a baby buggy is goes against a few "best practices" of something or other. Emotional reaction on a gun site to negligence involving a firearm. If this was a Crown Vic website it'd be the opposite "oh he shoulda known a XG Vic can't corner faster than 87 km on durapatrol pdqs!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Apples and oranges, no? Gun would not have not off if it was holstered, nor if he just kept his finger off the trigger. If he dropped it and it went off, there is still some culpability unless policy is to do these vertical patrols with weapon in hand. But this whole problem arises because the officer was careless with the handling of his firearm. Presumably apprehending criminals is part of the job, and doing so can be dangerous to self and the public. Haven't the courts decided that responsibilities for such deaths rests on the party that committed the crime? Why is this officer walking up a presumed unoccupied stairwell with a drawn gun? Officer said "he didn't think anyone was there", so what was the reason to draw the weapon in the first place? Regardless, resting his finger on the trigger without a clear target is negligent and goes against best practices of firearm handling. There's a difference between pursing a suspect and being on patrol. If Officer Donuts is racing to Krispy Kreme because the "hot fresh!" light just went on, that would be negligence. If an officer was in an active gun fight and someone wandered into the line of fire, that would be an accident. If the officer's aim was so poor that he was hitting bystanders many feet away from the intended target, that would be negligence. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:59:44 PM EDT
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both are "accidents", in neither case did the officer INTEND the result. Driving so fast your patrol car slams up on the sidewalk is negligence, as is wandering around with your gun out and your trigger in the finger guard Fine, but the context is completely different. In your scenario there was a reason for the officer to be driving fast, maybe even on the edge of safety. There was no reason for this officer to be walking around with his gun drawn, let alone with his finger on the trigger. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 3:00:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 3:02:07 PM EDT
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Depends whether he calls 911 or his union rep first. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Turns out he didn't call his union rep, he called his Sergeant on the phone. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 3:03:53 PM EDT
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He is being sacrificed on the altar of BLM
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Posted: 2/12/2016 3:04:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between pursing a suspect and being on patrol. If Officer Donuts is racing to Krispy Kreme because the "hot fresh!" light just went on, that would be negligence. If an officer was in an active gun fight and someone wandered into the line of fire, that would be an accident. Quote HistoryQuoted: qs!" There's a difference between pursing a suspect and being on patrol. If Officer Donuts is racing to Krispy Kreme because the "hot fresh!" light just went on, that would be negligence. If an officer was in an active gun fight and someone wandered into the line of fire, that would be an accident. An accident just means an unintended event, whether from negligence, mechanical failure or an Act of God. I mentioned before that I once rear ended someone in traffic because I was looking at the ass of some girl on the sidewalk. That was a traffic accident, not a traffic negligence. I know some firearms trainers have been pushing this odd use of accident v. negligence, didn't mean to sound like I was picking on you, this is a common thing here |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 3:04:58 PM EDT
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Intent isn't relevant nor is it an element of a manslaughter charge. The whole idea is that was an accident, an accident which would not have occurred but for the individuals disregard for the safety of others.
There's a big difference between a negligent and accidental discharge, much less of a difference in the law. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 3:08:02 PM EDT
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Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Should society accept the deaths of innocent citizens, at the hands of police, as simply the cost of an orderly society? That doesn't seem right. Shouldn't we as a society hold these guys accountable is some fashion when mistakes are made that kill people? |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 3:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should society accept the deaths of innocent citizens, at the hands of police, as simply the cost of an orderly society? That doesn't seem right. Shouldn't we as a society hold these guys accountable is some fashion when mistakes are made that kill people? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would the people who think this officer deserved to be convicted have the same reaction if he had killed someone when his police car went out of control chasing someone who was speeding? Should society accept the deaths of innocent citizens, at the hands of police, as simply the cost of an orderly society? That doesn't seem right. Shouldn't we as a society hold these guys accountable is some fashion when mistakes are made that kill people? edit unless it's me. then you deserve the chair, of course |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 3:11:05 PM EDT
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You have a confused understanding of "accident" which is common here. An accident is not something that is a "less bad version of negligence" There seems to be a strange gun guy thing where if you shoot yourself in the foot because you pulled the trigger on your glock, forgetting it was loaded, it's "negligent" but if you have some old pistol holstered and it just fire from being jostled it is "accidental" An accident just means an unintended event, whether from negligence, mechanical failure or an Act of God. I mentioned before that I once rear ended someone in traffic because I was looking at the ass of some girl on the sidewalk. That was a traffic accident, not a traffic negligence. I know some firearms trainers have been pushing this odd use of accident v. negligence, didn't mean to sound like I was picking on you, this is a common thing here Quote HistoryQuoted:
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qs!" There's a difference between pursing a suspect and being on patrol. If Officer Donuts is racing to Krispy Kreme because the "hot fresh!" light just went on, that would be negligence. If an officer was in an active gun fight and someone wandered into the line of fire, that would be an accident. An accident just means an unintended event, whether from negligence, mechanical failure or an Act of God. I mentioned before that I once rear ended someone in traffic because I was looking at the ass of some girl on the sidewalk. That was a traffic accident, not a traffic negligence. I know some firearms trainers have been pushing this odd use of accident v. negligence, didn't mean to sound like I was picking on you, this is a common thing here Poor grammar aside, there are reasons to drive faster than usual and reasons to walk around with your finger on the trigger. Your example was a reason to drive fast; doing so was justifiable, even knowing that accidents happen. This case was not a reason to walk around with an unholstered weapon; doing so was not justifiable, and the officer has liability for the accident. Maybe the officer can shuffle some of the liability off on his trainers, and that may be fair. |
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