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Posted: 2/12/2016 11:33:01 AM EDT
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1986=Reagan2016=Obama Is this really a question. Lol Quality(2016) versus Quantity(1986). I like it! I think the modern military has much more actual experience in fighting, but I think the Reagan military would scrape out a win. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 11:36:43 AM EDT
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Conventional: 2016 all day long, pretty much every piece of gear or vehicle is better. As far as troops, well you had fat guys floating around on ships and working in maintenance hangers back in 1986 too. Infantry and Spec Ops guys are still hard men today. Maybe even stronger due to work out routines/science and stuff like protein shakes and all the nutritional science gained in the last 30 years. Yes today we have less, but our less can do a lot more than in the past. Stuff like GPS, JDAM's, Blue Force, MRAP's, PVS 14's, RCO's, Body Armor the list goes on and on Nuclear: 1986 We had GPS not as many satellites but we had it. Tomahawks we had it, MLRS we had it, while the current tech is much better a lot of the tech you are using was first brought online during the 80's. B1 , etc , etc, etc PGM ... |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 11:37:11 AM EDT
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Reagan vs Obama? Yeah, ask else being equal, 2016 would win. To bad Obama abhors American winning anything. He'd pull the plug or sabotage the effort before the end. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Obama would still be deciding where to deploy forces and which ROE we would use while our M-60's would be destroying the airfields and drone homes. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 11:40:01 AM EDT
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Obama would still be deciding where to deploy forces and which ROE we would use while our M-60's would be destroying the airfields and drone homes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan vs Obama? Yeah, ask else being equal, 2016 would win. To bad Obama abhors American winning anything. He'd pull the plug or sabotage the effort before the end. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Obama would still be deciding where to deploy forces and which ROE we would use while our M-60's would be destroying the airfields and drone homes. Dont forget by 86 we were starting to field the m1 abrams in numbers . It actually entered service in 1980. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 11:40:41 AM EDT
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We'd kick the shit out of a bunch of dudes in their fifties lead by insane old dudes.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 12:25:06 PM EDT
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Well, back in 1986 the average grunt was a semi-literate mean little fucker from a broken home with a bad drinking problem who spent his off time chasing pussy and getting in fights who was motivated by a strong sense of anger at the world and well-earned fear of his even more socially-dysfunctional NCOs.
In 2016 the average grunt is a PT-belt wearing millennial on profile for an "injury" sustained in AIT who spends his off time playing BF4 and swapping handjobs (no homo)with his roommate and is motivated by the hope that the new female infantrypersons will arrive in the spring. Their NCOs lead them with strongly worded counseling statements and strictly-maintained online training requirements. The poorly-maintained barely-working grunt-abused PVS-14s are much better than the poorly-maintained barely-working grunt-abused PVS-5s though, so advantage there. The 86 bros had about twice as many divisions, so there is that. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 12:28:22 PM EDT
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1986. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 12:36:00 PM EDT
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Are you talking infantry versus infantry, or combined arms, what?
Cause I will guarantee you one thing the Armor units of 1986 were far better than any armor left in the Army today.... In 1986 we had 3 Armored Divisions, now we have one, and mainly in name only. In 1986 19E's and K's trained hard for facing a Red onslaught streaming through the Fulda Gap...now they are for the most part glorified MP's My old Guard unit (127th Armor) when they deployed the last few time, they had no armor with them...unless you count uparmored HUMMV's... I'd say if you are talking Armored warfare the 1986 Army takes 2016....mainly because Armor is nowhere near the branch it used to be, since it doesn't really fit with combat action since 2001, which is all about COIN and small unit infantry/SF stuff.... IMHO |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 12:38:01 PM EDT
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86 era redlegs had a whole lot more practice at massing fires.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 12:41:32 PM EDT
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I'm sure military advances in the Air Force alone in the past 30 years would play a huge factor. Plus we're getting out maybe 15 years of wars now in the Middle East, I wouldn't second guess our guys now even thought it's an obungo administration. Yeap. CBU-97 (or the precision CB-105 version) will wreck a tank column's day. 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 12:45:20 PM EDT
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1986 would be a smoking hole in the ground.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 12:47:29 PM EDT
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1986
Mostly the same gear (jets, helos, tanks......) as we have today it was just new/newer in 1986. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 12:58:49 PM EDT
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1986 Mostly the same gear (jets, helos, tanks......) as we have today it was just new/newer in 1986. 1986 combat medicine would let too many soldiers die. A lot has changed. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:05:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:06:31 PM EDT
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How many female Rangers do we have in the the 75th today? ZERO... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many female rangers did the 1986 Military have? ZERO... Diversity is our greatest Strength. How many female Rangers do we have in the the 75th today? ZERO... Give it time. They are coming. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:06:56 PM EDT
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1986 would be a smoking hole in the ground. Step away from the game console and go have a vape and rock star to relax. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:08:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWe also did not have to worry about green ammo or green anything. Fuck a bunch of enviornmental responsiblity |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:12:05 PM EDT
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2016 would be forced to watch a sexual harassment power-point presentation, while 1986 would ambush and kill them all.
Woodland BDUs FTW 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:12:46 PM EDT
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I was USMC 1977-1981. Most of the guys I worked with (airwing) were stoned most of the time. These were the Carter years-the worst in USMC history.
My Son USMC EAS'd last year. They would kick our asses. Fitter, smarter, better weapons-and probably not stoned. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:23:06 PM EDT
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We also did not have to worry about green ammo or green anything. Fuck a bunch of enviornmental responsiblity Quote HistoryQuoted:
We also did not have to worry about green ammo or green anything. Fuck a bunch of enviornmental responsiblity REFORGER tearing the shit out of the German countryside? Yeah, sure we had to pay to fix it, but no one cared.... Now, I don't think that shit would fly..... 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:23:40 PM EDT
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1986=Reagan2016=Obama Is this really a question. Lol |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:25:04 PM EDT
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Is it a strong letter writing campaign or actual fighting?
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:32:32 PM EDT
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Since I spent many hours playing Harpoon in the late 80's/early 90's, I'm curious about current/former Navy guys opinion on this:
What about 1986 carrier battle group -vs- 2016 carrier battle group? |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:39:00 PM EDT
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The Surface Navy of 1986 would have been fucked by the standoff weapons of today. No open architecture AEGIS. Completely gone fucked.
The Sub Fleet of '86 didn't have any conventional cruise missles yet. Basically a non factor, plus the boats were old and loud 50's and 60's vintage. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:39:25 PM EDT
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REFORGER tearing the shit out of the German countryside? Yeah, sure we had to pay to fix it, but no one cared.... Now, I don't think that shit would fly..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We also did not have to worry about green ammo or green anything. Fuck a bunch of enviornmental responsiblity REFORGER tearing the shit out of the German countryside? Yeah, sure we had to pay to fix it, but no one cared.... Now, I don't think that shit would fly..... We also had cigarette machjnes and beer vending machjnes for the win. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:41:13 PM EDT
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2016. But only because we have MOLLE now and '86 had ALICE gear which got wet and heavy when it rained. Duh
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:44:14 PM EDT
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The Surface Navy of 1986 would have been fucked by the standoff weapons of today. No open architecture AEGIS. Completely gone fucked. The Sub Fleet of '86 didn't have any conventional cruise missles yet. Basically a non factor, plus the boats were old and loud 50's and 60's vintage. Pretty sure we had plenty of 688's in service in the mid-80s. Not exactly old and loud boats boats from the 50's and 60's. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:44:32 PM EDT
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2016, drones. And better NV |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:48:16 PM EDT
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1986 Mostly the same gear (jets, helos, tanks......) as we have today it was just new/newer in 1986. The tanks might look sorta the same on the outside, but you can't even begin to compare the advanced MBT we have today to the tanks of 1986. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:49:53 PM EDT
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1986...
Why? Because if those from today time traveled back and kill off people in 1986 then many of them would not be, or would not be in the US military of 2016. or 2016.. Why? Because many of those that where in, in 1986 are to old to fight todays youth. Either way it is a stupid question. OP go check yourself into drug rehab so you stop asking stupid questions. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:52:24 PM EDT
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16er Bergdahl defects to 86 side. 86 side treats him poorly, trades him back to Obama in exchange for all sorts of technological goodies that level the playing field. Obama parades him around the Rose garden, touts him as a hero, hugs his dad. 16ers become demoralized, and refuse to reenlist, all purchase DD-214 blankets on the way out. 86 wins by default due to attrition. Truce is signed, hugs exchanged, roll down to the VFW together for a beer only to get treated like shit by the old timer WW2/Korea/Nam guys. Tensions begin to rise, conflict threatens to breakout between the factions once again, but it's too late...the real enemy wins as the VA hospital system slowly kills them all. A viscious insider sneak attack everybody should have seen coming.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:54:06 PM EDT
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We would give each platoon back in 86 one computer without a CaC reader and tell them to change everyone's AKO password because they are out of date....Check Mate 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:54:33 PM EDT
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The Surface Navy of 1986 would have been fucked by the standoff weapons of today. No open architecture AEGIS. Completely gone fucked. The Sub Fleet of '86 didn't have any conventional cruise missles yet. Basically a non factor, plus the boats were old and loud 50's and 60's vintage. There were 31 Los Angeles subs and 2 more Block II 688's that could fire cruise missiles. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:55:52 PM EDT
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We lived a much more physical way of life 30 years ago.. and that translate to the battle field lol at this shit. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:05:21 PM EDT
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lol at this shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We lived a much more physical way of life 30 years ago.. and that translate to the battle field lol at this shit. Arfcom hates the current generation of soldier and has rose tinted glasses for the past. Here I am a millenial and all this place does is bitch about how all milenials are pos low lifs on the government's tit.... |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:11:11 PM EDT
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Give it time. They are coming. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many female rangers did the 1986 Military have? ZERO... Diversity is our greatest Strength. How many female Rangers do we have in the the 75th today? ZERO... Give it time. They are coming. Well then wait 30 years and start a who would win thread 2016 or 2046, fact is they are not in units now so |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:16:13 PM EDT
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Most of this thread is just Uncle Rico talking shit. "Back in my day I could throw a football over a mountain" shit
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:16:49 PM EDT
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1986 because their guys had worse gear, and it would also absorb mud which made it heavier. Do you even LCE, Bro? Also, they had WW1 and Civil War veterans in their leadership, and everyone walked around in MOPP 6 because of the Red Menace. Wolverines! The End.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:22:31 PM EDT
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We lived a much more physical way of life 30 years ago.. and that translate to the battle field 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:23:23 PM EDT
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Most of this thread is just Uncle Rico talking shit. "Back in my day I could throw a football over a mountain" shit mountain range sunshine, mountain range.
Oh, and Gunny Highway too. You young pups would be fucked. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:25:22 PM EDT
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The proliferation of Night Vision and the ability to fight at night would give today's infantry an edge.
Remember initiating an ambush with flares? |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:27:32 PM EDT
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lol at this shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We lived a much more physical way of life 30 years ago.. and that translate to the battle field lol at this shit. Right how many dudes back then hit the gym daily? Or even PTd at all on their own. Do these old fucks think all we did was play Xbox and not kill people on Afghanistan? How many dudes had done a combat deployment in 86 compared to how many have done them in 2016? How many dudes shit on bags and showered with water bottles for months in 86? Tougher lives my ass. The only thing thougher about the 80s was your quality of porn sucked. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:29:13 PM EDT
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Well then wait 30 years and start a who would win thread 2016 or 2046, fact is they are not in units now so Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many female rangers did the 1986 Military have? ZERO... Diversity is our greatest Strength. How many female Rangers do we have in the the 75th today? ZERO... Give it time. They are coming. Well then wait 30 years and start a who would win thread 2016 or 2046, fact is they are not in units now so 1. There are females with the Ranger Tab. 2. 3 years or less before there are women in the 75th. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:30:44 PM EDT
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Well pitting Reagan against Obongo.... I say Reagan takes the gloves off and kicks the shit out of obongo while the silver tongued devil stuttering man pleaser is still talking to himself in a mirror. FTFY |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:31:39 PM EDT
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Obama's military vs. Reagan's military?
Reagan would win |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:32:18 PM EDT
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Obama's military vs. Reagan's military? Reagan would win Reagan gonna come out and fight all by himself? |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:33:34 PM EDT
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86 cause of the shit we used to eat out of mermite cans and the hard living.
2016 cant operate without chu , xbox / DFAC steak and crableg night , and green bean coffe. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:34:30 PM EDT
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86 cause of the shit we used to eat out of mermite cans and the hard living. 2016 cant operate without chu , xbox / DFAC steak and crableg night , and green bean coffe. CONUS be rough, yo. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:37:20 PM EDT
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86 cause of the shit we used to eat out of mermite cans and the hard living. 2016 cant operate without chu , xbox / DFAC steak and crableg night , and green bean coffe. Yea I bet all those times out in the field were rough as shit. How rough was it being stationed in Europe waiting on the USSR to invade. It's gotta suck when your whole claim to fame is what amounts to two dudes circling around each other yelling to the other to throw the first punch. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:38:53 PM EDT
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What I want to know is how all those 86 vets got around without any CARs
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