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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:53:54 PM EDT
http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2016/02/10/carrier-move-indy-unit-mexico-eliminate-1400-jobs/80181804/ 
Trump weighs in. http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/trump-weighs-in-on-carrier-relocation-to-mexico Mexican workers to make $3/hr. http://fox59.com/2016/02/16/union-carrier-said-they-will-pay-mexican-workers-3-an-hour/ |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:55:36 PM EDT
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So you don't have to click the link, yes they are union.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:57:38 PM EDT
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So you don't have to click the link, yes they are union. Fucking imagine that! You don't say. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:59:38 PM EDT
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The real reason is because Mexicans drive better than people from Indiana and the insurance costs were too high.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:59:44 PM EDT
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So you don't have to click the link, yes they are union. I was going to put that in the title, but figured it would be assumed anyway. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:06:13 PM EDT
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Carrier’s workers are separated into a two-tier wage system. A quarter of the workers make about $14 an hour, or about $30,000 a year. The rest make about $26 an hour, or about $55,000, but make well above $70,000 a year with overtime, Jones said. Awkward. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:07:58 PM EDT
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So you don't have to click the link, yes they are union. Yeah, unions fault. Current tier of $14 an hour is just to high........................... It's a race to the bottom union or not. What they should do is fire the asshoes that hired the engineers that designed some of the fvcked up systems in the past. Don't worry people, we'll be supporting them 100% now, hope everyone feels better. Always love when companies bitch about OT wages when they cut workers and then have to run the remaining workers longer shifts................. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:08:17 PM EDT
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Hurry! Build the wall
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:09:20 PM EDT
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The ole economy is really humming right along. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:09:26 PM EDT
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I can't blame this on unions. $14 an hour is not very high of a wage, especially for semi skilled assembly line work. It's not like they are taping cardboard boxes together. I mean, $14 and hour, come on...
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:11:32 PM EDT
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I can't blame this on unions. $14 an hour is not very high of a wage, especially for semi skilled assembly line work. It's not like they are taping cardboard boxes together. I mean, $14 and hour, come on... That's only 25% of the workers. 75% is making $26 an hour, which would have been the driving force in this. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:22:30 PM EDT
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clickbait pita.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:30:36 PM EDT
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I bet it was healthcare costs as the driving factor
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:32:41 PM EDT
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No worries.
For every American position driven out, one hundred completely malleable, illiterate parasites are welcomed. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:32:55 PM EDT
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But all the billionaires are saying that Americans won't do these jobs.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:36:03 PM EDT
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#ohwell ®
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:38:21 PM EDT
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Trump right as usual
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:39:58 PM EDT
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That's only 25% of the workers. 75% is making $26 an hour, which would have been the driving force in this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't blame this on unions. $14 an hour is not very high of a wage, especially for semi skilled assembly line work. It's not like they are taping cardboard boxes together. I mean, $14 and hour, come on... That's only 25% of the workers. 75% is making $26 an hour, which would have been the driving force in this. All the workers could be making $10 an hour and they would still move. No American is going to work cheap enough. 
I bet the executives are raking in millions though... |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:41:49 PM EDT
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What's up with you and the Indiana news?
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:43:43 PM EDT
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but....but......we're at 5% unemployment they said
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:43:44 PM EDT
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I bet it was healthcare costs as the driving factor |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:46:28 PM EDT
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Trump right as usual No hes a Democrat lying to all of us. He's going to fuck us all, ban guns and cave to the Democrats on everything. That Canadian and his legion of haters told me so. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:47:51 PM EDT
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What's up with you and the Indiana news? Indiana, Tennessee and a few others are now on my news feed. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:48:08 PM EDT
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Yeah, unions fault. Current tier of $14 an hour is just to high........................... It's a race to the bottom union or not. What they should do is fire the asshoes that hired the engineers that designed some of the fvcked up systems in the past. Don't worry people, we'll be supporting them 100% now, hope everyone feels better. Always love when companies bitch about OT wages when they cut workers and then have to run the remaining workers longer shifts................. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you don't have to click the link, yes they are union. Yeah, unions fault. Current tier of $14 an hour is just to high........................... It's a race to the bottom union or not. What they should do is fire the asshoes that hired the engineers that designed some of the fvcked up systems in the past. Don't worry people, we'll be supporting them 100% now, hope everyone feels better. Always love when companies bitch about OT wages when they cut workers and then have to run the remaining workers longer shifts................. You think that $14 an hour is TOO high a salary? Ridiculous. I'm assuming your comment was saracasm |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:49:47 PM EDT
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Nothing new. When I got out of the Army in 1993, I got hired to work as a security gate guard at the Lennox air conditioner plant in Columbus, Ohio. They told me to stop every vehicle leaving and search it for company property.
It turned out that my first night was the plant's last. They shuttered the plant and sent the jobs to Mexico. A stream of pissed off factory workers in pickup trucks flew by my shack on the way out of the lot. No one even slowed down. The company then used the land to make a yuppie shopping center. A grungy industrial area just outside of OSU with a factory, strip clubs, and seedy bars became The Lennox Center, home of college yoga pants and hipsters in snow hats sipping coffee. EDIT - Proofreading. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:49:49 PM EDT
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Another win for the unions!
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:50:51 PM EDT
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Yeah, unions fault. Current tier of $14 an hour is just to high........................... It's a race to the bottom union or not. What they should do is fire the asshoes that hired the engineers that designed some of the fvcked up systems in the past. Don't worry people, we'll be supporting them 100% now, hope everyone feels better. Always love when companies bitch about OT wages when they cut workers and then have to run the remaining workers longer shifts................. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you don't have to click the link, yes they are union. Yeah, unions fault. Current tier of $14 an hour is just to high........................... It's a race to the bottom union or not. What they should do is fire the asshoes that hired the engineers that designed some of the fvcked up systems in the past. Don't worry people, we'll be supporting them 100% now, hope everyone feels better. Always love when companies bitch about OT wages when they cut workers and then have to run the remaining workers longer shifts................. I'm going to sound like a commie to ARF, but it's a race to the bottom. If $28/hr is too much an hour to ARF, then you are more of a commie than you think I am. Oh a whole $54k or so a year OMG unions! |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:52:39 PM EDT
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Three cheers for exporting jobs...its just business! We shouild all rejoice in the fact that the employer has the freedom to do this while being subsidized for any costs involved in outsourcing those jobs. America! Fuck Ya!
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:53:21 PM EDT
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I guess the only positive thing about this is at least the company moved the jobs to Mexico, instead of simply firing the Americans and replacing them with Mexicans.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:53:35 PM EDT
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I'm all for less Indiana drivers on the road
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:55:15 PM EDT
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You think that $14 an hour is TOO high a salary? Ridiculous. I'm assuming your comment was saracasm Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you don't have to click the link, yes they are union. Yeah, unions fault. Current tier of $14 an hour is just to high........................... It's a race to the bottom union or not. What they should do is fire the asshoes that hired the engineers that designed some of the fvcked up systems in the past. Don't worry people, we'll be supporting them 100% now, hope everyone feels better. Always love when companies bitch about OT wages when they cut workers and then have to run the remaining workers longer shifts................. You think that $14 an hour is TOO high a salary? Ridiculous. I'm assuming your comment was saracasm Yes, total sarcasm. As mentioned above, likely not hourly pay, $26 or $14 makes no matter, it was health beni's and payments. I'd bet upper management will be getting a fat bonus though. I see the CFO has his compensation hidden. Also bet he gets a golden parachute in the next couple years. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:55:34 PM EDT
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I'm going to sound like a commie to ARF, but it's a race to the bottom. If $28/hr is too much an hour to ARF, then you are more of a commie than you think I am. Oh a whole $54k or so a year OMG unions! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you don't have to click the link, yes they are union. Yeah, unions fault. Current tier of $14 an hour is just to high........................... It's a race to the bottom union or not. What they should do is fire the asshoes that hired the engineers that designed some of the fvcked up systems in the past. Don't worry people, we'll be supporting them 100% now, hope everyone feels better. Always love when companies bitch about OT wages when they cut workers and then have to run the remaining workers longer shifts................. I'm going to sound like a commie to ARF, but it's a race to the bottom. If $28/hr is too much an hour to ARF, then you are more of a commie than you think I am. Oh a whole $54k or so a year OMG unions! Thats not the point at all. If short term profits can boosted and bonuses paid for this move... why shouldn't the management do it? Capitalism ...somebody gets fucked. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:56:11 PM EDT
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I guess the only positive thing about this is at least the company moved the jobs to Mexico, instead of simply firing the Americans and replacing them with Mexicans. LOL! thats some funny shit right there. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:00:49 PM EDT
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Thats not the point at all. If short term profits can boosted and bonuses paid for this move... why shouldn't the management do it? Capitalism ...somebody gets fucked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you don't have to click the link, yes they are union. Yeah, unions fault. Current tier of $14 an hour is just to high........................... It's a race to the bottom union or not. What they should do is fire the asshoes that hired the engineers that designed some of the fvcked up systems in the past. Don't worry people, we'll be supporting them 100% now, hope everyone feels better. Always love when companies bitch about OT wages when they cut workers and then have to run the remaining workers longer shifts................. I'm going to sound like a commie to ARF, but it's a race to the bottom. If $28/hr is too much an hour to ARF, then you are more of a commie than you think I am. Oh a whole $54k or so a year OMG unions! Thats not the point at all. If short term profits can boosted and bonuses paid for this move... why shouldn't the management do it? Capitalism ...somebody gets fucked. More work for me with shitty Mexican quality assembly and likely cheaper parts.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:01:24 PM EDT
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LOL....I remember a few years back when the locals were saying that Dupont would never sell their high performance finishing sector because it was a cash cow for the company ranking only behind Ag products.
Now some of them work for Axalta with reduced wages and bennies. It was a non-union plant too. Now Dupont will merge with Dow in a few months and thousands of jobs will be lost. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:05:41 PM EDT
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Thats not the point at all. If short term profits can boosted and bonuses paid for this move... why shouldn't the management do it? Capitalism ...somebody gets fucked. Sadly, Brutus, you will need to dig fairly deep in order to find the good old free market capitalism you are referring to. The exodus of American jobs is the result of Americas facist economic system. Not competent management. Like the flux of section 8 housing and sudden "gentrification" in our cities, the global movement of business is the result of government interference or preference. No Friedman here. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:06:57 PM EDT
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Going to go with health care costs as the underlying factor, or one of the major factors leading to the move.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:07:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hurry! Build the wall |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:10:54 PM EDT
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At least they didn't ship the jobs to China like when they shut down the Carrier plant in Syracuse, NY. Jobs leaving the US for Mexico might take some Mexicans back to Mexico with them.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:14:21 PM EDT
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Sad when I have to turn to Japan automakers to buy made in the US vehicles and another foreign owned company for made in the US furnaces and HVAC.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:15:53 PM EDT
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Are there any people left in Mexico
They're either here or dead ( from the drug wars ). |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:18:44 PM EDT
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Love Arfcom. Blame any employee who's making a good wage, say let capitalism rule, then cry like hell if they lose their job or .22 is too expensive.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:22:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hurry! Build the wall |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:29:49 PM EDT
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Carrier closed their plant in TN about 20 years ago. I think it too went to May-he-co, but I'm not sure. Sure hurt a LOT of people in Warren Co went they closed.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:31:54 PM EDT
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Good luck with that.
My company moved our factory to Mexico about 7 years ago, and they flat fuck can't make anything. Quality went to shit to mediocre to shit again. We're getting anywhere from 3-10 warranty claims for each unit shipped, and most of the time they don't ship all the parts. It cost us thousands of dollars in extra labor every job, probably to the tune of millions and millions every year nationally. We're in the process of moving the factory back to the US. Bean counting costs more than it saves as it turns out. There's a lot of dumbfucks in upper management these days. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:35:47 PM EDT
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Ever been to East Syracuse NY.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:36:44 PM EDT
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Are there any people left in Mexico
They're either here or dead ( from the drug wars ). Looking around my county lately, I've often had the same thought. Can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting a Mexican in the back of the head. I've been thinking about moving down there for the solitude. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:36:46 PM EDT
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Carrier closed their plant in TN about 20 years ago. I think it too went to May-he-co, but I'm not sure. Sure hurt a LOT of people in Warren Co went they closed. There's a Carrier plant in northern MS just south of Memphis. I wonder if it's on the chopping block. I'm glad I bought a Trane for my replacement, it was probably manufactured somewhere here in the midsouth...I should go look and see for peace of mind. :D |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:39:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet it was healthcare costs as the driving factor This. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:45:58 PM EDT
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Carrier has offloaded its warranty to a second party.
I've been told Amana is the only company still standing behind their own warranty. I've had good luck with two Carrier heat pumps but when it's time to replace one or both I'll be looking at an Amana with natural gas heat. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:47:57 PM EDT
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better than moving 1400 Mexicans to Indy
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