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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:23:03 PM EDT
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America is socialist.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:24:15 PM EDT
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A "newer deal" has been inevitable for a while now.
The Dems have been maneuvering to be in a position to write it for decades. The GOP has been maneuvering to be in a position to let them. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:24:52 PM EDT
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It will only happen if we let it happen.
You have two options, hunker in your basement ordering PMags over the interweb and complaining on Arfcom Or Get out there and DO SOMETHING about it! Be part of the solution and not the problem. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:26:12 PM EDT
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A "newer deal" has been inevitable for a while now. The Dems have been maneuvering to be in a position to write it for decades. The GOP has been maneuvering to be in a position to let them. And that is the crux of facist economics. We break it. We fix it. Most Sanders voters believe they are rebelling against the failings of a free market system. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:26:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:28:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:28:23 PM EDT
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No. We are about to run out of 'other people's money'.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:28:39 PM EDT
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America is socialist. We have a long way to go before we're as socialist as most of Europe. No doubt we are headed there but we're not that bad yet. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:30:31 PM EDT
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America is socialist. says the guy from IL....... If Sanders gets the nomination we will crush him in the general election and laugh as we mock DU's lamentations and gnashing of teeth |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:30:55 PM EDT
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As the economy continues to crumble I think you will see the US going back to its free market roots.
Problem is higher education has turned out some shitty, unthinking morons. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:31:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:32:39 PM EDT
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Of that, I don't believe there can be any doubt. Once it starts, it doesn't end until it all falls apart.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:32:44 PM EDT
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I'm betting the next 25-50yrs will be more of a transitioning period with a number of different evolving philosophies being tried until something totally new takes hold.
I think Capitalism is on its way out, though. I also think communism is too. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:34:22 PM EDT
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Maggie on Socialism
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:34:49 PM EDT
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America is socialist. You should have made it a spoiler alert. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:37:56 PM EDT
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marx predicted this--that the inevitable workings-out of society would result in a transformation from capitalism to socialism (which, in his mind, was only a transitional stage on the way to the communist utopia).
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:39:23 PM EDT
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I'm betting the next 25-50yrs will be more of a transitioning period with a number of different evolving philosophies being tried until something totally new takes hold. I think Capitalism is on its way out, though. I also think communism is too. I could see a neo-distributist movement taking hold as an alternative to socialism. It's probably too late for that though. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:41:20 PM EDT
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We have a long way to go before we're as socialist as most of Europe. No doubt we are headed there but we're not that bad yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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America is socialist. We have a long way to go before we're as socialist as most of Europe. No doubt we are headed there but we're not that bad yet. Just because we aren't as bad doesn't mean we aren't already socialist. Top 5 characteristics of socialism: 1: Government ownership of productive resources (not quite there, but already pretty damn close in certain key areas) 2. planned economy (not quite there also, but already pretty damn close) 3. Redistribution of income (already there - refundable tax credits, etc) 4. Societal goals are social welfare instead of private profit (read the news for a little while and tell me we aren't already there) 5. Peaceful and democratic revolution (all this has happened through incrementalism and the voting booth) |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:42:00 PM EDT
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marx predicted this--that the inevitable workings-out of society would result in a transformation from capitalism to socialism (which, in his mind, was only a transitional stage on the way to the communist utopia). A lot of Marxist on this site then? 
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:43:31 PM EDT
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A lot of Marxist on this site then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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marx predicted this--that the inevitable workings-out of society would result in a transformation from capitalism to socialism (which, in his mind, was only a transitional stage on the way to the communist utopia). A lot of Marxist on this site then? 
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:44:57 PM EDT
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History is going to repeat itself again and again. I read recently that Rome got so bad it was illegal to quit your job if you had one (tax money has to come from somewhere I guess!). Anyone know if this is true?
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:45:14 PM EDT
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There is no stopping the tide.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:45:48 PM EDT
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America is socialist. Since 1932 thanks president Hoover. 
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:52:49 PM EDT
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I could see a neo-distributist movement taking hold as an alternative to socialism. It's probably too late for that though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm betting the next 25-50yrs will be more of a transitioning period with a number of different evolving philosophies being tried until something totally new takes hold. I think Capitalism is on its way out, though. I also think communism is too. I could see a neo-distributist movement taking hold as an alternative to socialism. It's probably too late for that though. Not sure what that is exactly. Can you explain? With technology advancing at an exponential rate, it will be impossible for Capitalism to survive. What I mean is, the more jobs that are taken over by automated systems, combined with rising population, there will come a day when jobs will be either a luxury or a burden. Capitalism just won't be able to account for that. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:55:47 PM EDT
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History is going to repeat itself again and again. I read recently that Rome got so bad it was illegal to quit your job if you had one (tax money has to come from somewhere I guess!). Anyone know if this is true? I don't think it's true, but they did go through a really nasty period where they were killing off rich people just to take their land, which never seemed to be enough to satisfy the debts, and they also went through a period of being sue-happy. Lots of people say slavery undid the Republic, because there were just too many cultures mixed in. What bearing that has on today, I have no idea. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:56:22 PM EDT
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As the economy continues to crumble I think you will see the US going back to its free market roots. Problem is higher education has turned out some shitty, unthinking morons. Yep, just like with the Great Depression.......oh wait
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:56:36 PM EDT
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Not sure what that is exactly. Can you explain? With technology advancing at an exponential rate, it will be impossible for Capitalism to survive. What I mean is, the more jobs that are taken over by automated systems, combined with rising population, there will come a day when jobs will be either a luxury or a burden. Capitalism just won't be able to account for that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm betting the next 25-50yrs will be more of a transitioning period with a number of different evolving philosophies being tried until something totally new takes hold. I think Capitalism is on its way out, though. I also think communism is too. I could see a neo-distributist movement taking hold as an alternative to socialism. It's probably too late for that though. Not sure what that is exactly. Can you explain? With technology advancing at an exponential rate, it will be impossible for Capitalism to survive. What I mean is, the more jobs that are taken over by automated systems, combined with rising population, there will come a day when jobs will be either a luxury or a burden. Capitalism just won't be able to account for that. BS. technology has always eliminated jobs and created new ones. Seen any lamp lighters lately? Lots of electricians are around though . |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:58:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think it's true, but they did go through a really nasty period where they were killing off rich people just to take their land, which never seemed to be enough to satisfy the debts, and they also went through a period of being sue-happy. Lots of people say slavery undid the Republic, because there were just too many cultures mixed in. What bearing that has on today, I have no idea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: History is going to repeat itself again and again. I read recently that Rome got so bad it was illegal to quit your job if you had one (tax money has to come from somewhere I guess!). Anyone know if this is true? I don't think it's true, but they did go through a really nasty period where they were killing off rich people just to take their land, which never seemed to be enough to satisfy the debts, and they also went through a period of being sue-happy. Lots of people say slavery undid the Republic, because there were just too many cultures mixed in. What bearing that has on today, I have no idea. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:59:52 PM EDT
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Not sure what that is exactly. Can you explain? With technology advancing at an exponential rate, it will be impossible for Capitalism to survive. What I mean is, the more jobs that are taken over by automated systems, combined with rising population, there will come a day when jobs will be either a luxury or a burden. Capitalism just won't be able to account for that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm betting the next 25-50yrs will be more of a transitioning period with a number of different evolving philosophies being tried until something totally new takes hold. I think Capitalism is on its way out, though. I also think communism is too. I could see a neo-distributist movement taking hold as an alternative to socialism. It's probably too late for that though. Not sure what that is exactly. Can you explain? With technology advancing at an exponential rate, it will be impossible for Capitalism to survive. What I mean is, the more jobs that are taken over by automated systems, combined with rising population, there will come a day when jobs will be either a luxury or a burden. Capitalism just won't be able to account for that. Distributism was/is? the economic model supported by the Catholic church, focused on equity ownership for workers, labor rights and anti-monopoly stuff., doing things at small scales and locally to the extent possible, and so on. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:01:02 PM EDT
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BS. technology has always eliminated jobs and created new ones. Seen any lamp lighters lately? Lots of electricians are around though . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm betting the next 25-50yrs will be more of a transitioning period with a number of different evolving philosophies being tried until something totally new takes hold. I think Capitalism is on its way out, though. I also think communism is too. I could see a neo-distributist movement taking hold as an alternative to socialism. It's probably too late for that though. Not sure what that is exactly. Can you explain? With technology advancing at an exponential rate, it will be impossible for Capitalism to survive. What I mean is, the more jobs that are taken over by automated systems, combined with rising population, there will come a day when jobs will be either a luxury or a burden. Capitalism just won't be able to account for that. BS. technology has always eliminated jobs and created new ones. Seen any lamp lighters lately? Lots of electricians are around though . It's often very difficult to predict just what new opportunities will be opened by technological advancement. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:01:42 PM EDT
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A "newer deal" has been inevitable for a while now. The Dems have been maneuvering to be in a position to write it for decades. The GOP has been maneuvering to be in a position to let them. Nailed it. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:02:28 PM EDT
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It's often very difficult to predict just what new opportunities will be opened by technological advancement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm betting the next 25-50yrs will be more of a transitioning period with a number of different evolving philosophies being tried until something totally new takes hold. I think Capitalism is on its way out, though. I also think communism is too. I could see a neo-distributist movement taking hold as an alternative to socialism. It's probably too late for that though. Not sure what that is exactly. Can you explain? With technology advancing at an exponential rate, it will be impossible for Capitalism to survive. What I mean is, the more jobs that are taken over by automated systems, combined with rising population, there will come a day when jobs will be either a luxury or a burden. Capitalism just won't be able to account for that. BS. technology has always eliminated jobs and created new ones. Seen any lamp lighters lately? Lots of electricians are around though . It's often very difficult to predict just what new opportunities will be opened by technological advancement. Truth Social Media Experts did not exist all that long ago. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:04:30 PM EDT
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Distributism was/is? the economic model supported by the Catholic church, focused on equity ownership for workers, labor rights and anti-monopoly stuff., doing things at small scales and locally to the extent possible, and so on. So, a good example would be a German village with its own carter, a shoemaker, baker, etc? |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:05:19 PM EDT
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I'm betting the next 25-50yrs will be more of a transitioning period with a number of different evolving philosophies being tried until something totally new takes hold. I think Capitalism is on its way out, though. I also think communism is too. 
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:05:41 PM EDT
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It's often very difficult to predict just what new opportunities will be opened by technological advancement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm betting the next 25-50yrs will be more of a transitioning period with a number of different evolving philosophies being tried until something totally new takes hold. I think Capitalism is on its way out, though. I also think communism is too. I could see a neo-distributist movement taking hold as an alternative to socialism. It's probably too late for that though. Not sure what that is exactly. Can you explain? With technology advancing at an exponential rate, it will be impossible for Capitalism to survive. What I mean is, the more jobs that are taken over by automated systems, combined with rising population, there will come a day when jobs will be either a luxury or a burden. Capitalism just won't be able to account for that. BS. technology has always eliminated jobs and created new ones. Seen any lamp lighters lately? Lots of electricians are around though . It's often very difficult to predict just what new opportunities will be opened by technological advancement. And what new economic models it will develop. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:06:09 PM EDT
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Rome fell too, OP.
A.W.D. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:08:58 PM EDT
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It will only happen if we let it happen. You have two options, hunker in your basement ordering PMags over the interweb and complaining on Arfcom Or Get out there and DO SOMETHING about it! Be part of the solution and not the problem. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:12:05 PM EDT
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It will only happen if we let it happen. You have two options, hunker in your basement ordering PMags over the interweb and complaining on Arfcom Or Get out there and DO SOMETHING about it! Be part of the solution and not the problem. We should all stand athwart history, yelling "Stop"? |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:13:22 PM EDT
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I see open support of socialism and communism on Facebook every day. Yesterday someone posted a link to a magazine article proclaiming Obama as the most successful U.S. President in history.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:14:00 PM EDT
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“The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’
‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.” -Robert A. Heinlein |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:16:29 PM EDT
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It will only happen if we let it happen. You have two options, hunker in your basement ordering PMags over the interweb and complaining on Arfcom Or Get out there and DO SOMETHING about it! Be part of the solution and not the problem. We should all stand athwart history, yelling "Stop"? Not to laugh at Gun, but when I read this I thought.... 
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:16:36 PM EDT
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The most telling thing in this country's political change is that more young people clamor for a move towards socialism. Sad to say, unless they change their views they represent the future of our country and the way it's heading.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:20:51 PM EDT
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I have come to the realization that with the rise in popularity with Bern amoung the next generation, it is going to happen, one way or the next. It may be not this election cycle, but will likely be the next because this house of cards known as the US economy is going to have the table shook after FBHO leaves office, and I doubt it will stand. With that being said, whomever is next in line is likely to take the fall, as FBHO intends. Can we recover from what has intentionally been done to us if Trump or Cruz take the helm? Im afraid it will just be a bandaid until the limb turns toxic. I hope we can recover, but the only chamce we have is if the Millennial's have a chance to grow up some before wanting another form of government. (And yes, for the sake of argument, I know we are not a true free market, but nor are we 100% socialist. The problem is the two can not coexist.) Wow, what a bunch of crap. "What has intentionally been done to us?" Oh, right, right, it's everyone else. Doing stuff to you. Are you cool with presenting yourself as a helpless victim? 'Cause that's what you sound like. Gee, and I thought everyone here was a huge-balled take-change commando. But you seem fine with conceding that pussy liberals - millennials even - have systematically removed your potency. Maybe socialism isn't imminent. Maybe you're just whining. Given the victim talk, "whining" seems to be a pretty good conclusion. ... and it's the liberals who are pussies... unfuckingbelievable.... |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:25:24 PM EDT
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“The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’ ‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.” -Robert A. Heinlein I like that. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:27:30 PM EDT
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When someone on EBT is making more than..
OH WAIT ! |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:37:09 PM EDT
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Conservatism is naturally susceptible to a failure to adapt.
Progressives to recklessness. It's going to end badly. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:42:21 PM EDT
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We went socialist in the 30s. The 60s saw a larger push. People like to blame the younger generations but they are building off of decades of groundwork laid by the last two.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:02:11 PM EDT
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The voting age needs to be raised. Republicans need to focus on making this happen if they ever get the opportunity to do so.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:07:22 PM EDT
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Wow, what a bunch of crap. "What has intentionally been done to us?" Oh, right, right, it's everyone else. Doing stuff to you. Are you cool with presenting yourself as a helpless victim? 'Cause that's what you sound like. Gee, and I thought everyone here was a huge-balled take-change commando. But you seem fine with conceding that pussy liberals - millennials even - have systematically removed your potency. Maybe socialism isn't imminent. Maybe you're just whining. Given the victim talk, "whining" seems to be a pretty good conclusion. ... and it's the liberals who are pussies... unfuckingbelievable.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have come to the realization that with the rise in popularity with Bern amoung the next generation, it is going to happen, one way or the next. It may be not this election cycle, but will likely be the next because this house of cards known as the US economy is going to have the table shook after FBHO leaves office, and I doubt it will stand. With that being said, whomever is next in line is likely to take the fall, as FBHO intends. Can we recover from what has intentionally been done to us if Trump or Cruz take the helm? Im afraid it will just be a bandaid until the limb turns toxic. I hope we can recover, but the only chamce we have is if the Millennial's have a chance to grow up some before wanting another form of government. (And yes, for the sake of argument, I know we are not a true free market, but nor are we 100% socialist. The problem is the two can not coexist.) Wow, what a bunch of crap. "What has intentionally been done to us?" Oh, right, right, it's everyone else. Doing stuff to you. Are you cool with presenting yourself as a helpless victim? 'Cause that's what you sound like. Gee, and I thought everyone here was a huge-balled take-change commando. But you seem fine with conceding that pussy liberals - millennials even - have systematically removed your potency. Maybe socialism isn't imminent. Maybe you're just whining. Given the victim talk, "whining" seems to be a pretty good conclusion. ... and it's the liberals who are pussies... unfuckingbelievable.... Dont you have some offs to fuck? |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:15:42 PM EDT
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We've been a socialist country for some time. We merely quibble about the degree of socialism.
The worry is that a lot of people seem to be pushing the same kind of stupid socialism that has destroyed Argentina and Venezuela. |
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