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Posted: 2/9/2016 10:16:51 PM EDT
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When confronted by employees, Wisham ran. Employees caught up to Wisham and detained him after he fell while running.

While awaiting the arrival of Lakeland Police to take Wisham into custody, the employees realized that Wisham was not breathing. They began CPR and called paramedics.
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In Florida it is legal for store employees to detain shoplifters and our area Walmarts allow their loss prevention personnel to do so.  I am wondering if he was in poor health and had a heart attack due to running/fighting or if a couple of them sat on him and the weight made it so he couldn't breathe.
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:24:14 PM EDT
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Good

Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:27:44 PM EDT
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Liability... They has it.
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yeah fuk dat guy!



 
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:31:01 PM EDT
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Neckbearding SOB !!!
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Perp was 64 - definitely plausible that he just up and died due to the excitement of the situation.

I'm guessing that Walmart will still quietly settle out of court with the family though.


Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:31:50 PM EDT
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dang the luck
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:33:43 PM EDT
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Lemme guess ....Wisham is 5' 7"  pushing 325 lbs and had a heart attack while being stressed out over being detained.

that's just a guess......
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He's a thief, not feeling the sympathy for what was likely a life long crime spree.
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Depends 100% on the cause of death.
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Perp was 64 - definitely plausible that he just up and died due to the excitement of the situation.

I'm guessing that Walmart will still quietly settle out of court with the family though.


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Really? ......well, so long pops
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:36:08 PM EDT
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I know they do apprehensions now, but I thought they got away from doing them for at least a little while.

I would bet the employees involved will be tossed under the bus but the company will settle it quietly and expensively.

Most FSA types actually have a dollar amount where Junior suddenly becomes worth the loss.
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:36:11 PM EDT
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That's fucked.



My first job was at Wal-Mart back in 1991 (-94), when there was a shoplifter they would announce over the loud speaker code whatever and what section they were in but when they ran out the door they would call Code 500 and all male employees were supposed to run after and catch the shoplifter. God that was fun, I was in high school, played baseball all 4 years and would run after these fucks and knock the shit out of everyone that I caught
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:38:18 PM EDT
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Looking for a downside. I might be a bit upset and second guessing myself if I were one of those loss prevention guys, but other than that zero fs given.
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That's fucked.

My first job was at Wal-Mart back in 1991 (-94), when there was a shoplifter they would announce over the loud speaker code whatever and what section they were in but when they ran out the door they would call Code 500 and all male employees were supposed to run after and catch the shoplifter. God that was fun, I was in high school, played baseball all 4 years and would run after these fucks and knock the shit out of everyone that I caught
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Your style...I like it.
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:38:58 PM EDT
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I work at a orange big box store.  LP can detain shoplifting suspect until the authorities arrive.  I have been there when paramedics were called for a suspect that said he was having a heart attack.  He lived, was charged with shoplifting, had a nice ambulance ride and ER visit to pay for too.  Of course you and I will end up footing the bill for it since that scumbag sure isn't going to pay it!
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:47:32 PM EDT
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if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:47:51 PM EDT
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OP he was not detained, he detained himself.
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:50:21 PM EDT
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I know I live in a quality area (Lakeland, Polk County) when GD has a thread about it once a week.
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 10:52:11 PM EDT
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One of the local stores had a lady in custody and she pissed herself in the office and took off running.
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I know I live in a quality area (Lakeland, Polk County) when GD has a thread about it once a week.
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But it is diverse. How about posting that map you have?



 
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 11:03:51 PM EDT
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"Always Low Prices Lifes."
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But it is diverse. How about posting that map you have?

 
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I know I live in a quality area (Lakeland, Polk County) when GD has a thread about it once a week.


But it is diverse. How about posting that map you have?

 
Mind you, I hate the North Side.

 





Link Posted: 2/9/2016 11:23:30 PM EDT
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(EVERY DAY).. Bad day to be retail loss prevention.
Link Posted: 2/9/2016 11:33:40 PM EDT
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Death is a high price to pay for shoplifting,but he bought the ticket.
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Mind you, I hate the North Side.    



http://s29.postimg.org/8je04e6jb/Lakeland.jpg



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But it is diverse. How about posting that map you have?

 
Mind you, I hate the North Side.    



http://s29.postimg.org/8je04e6jb/Lakeland.jpg





LOL!  



 
Link Posted: 2/10/2016 12:36:11 AM EDT
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Don't shoplift
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That's fucked.

My first job was at Wal-Mart back in 1991 (-94), when there was a shoplifter they would announce over the loud speaker code whatever and what section they were in but when they ran out the door they would call Code 500 and all male employees were supposed to run after and catch the shoplifter. God that was fun, I was in high school, played baseball all 4 years and would run after these fucks and knock the shit out of everyone that I caught
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Why just males?

Sexism...That's why...

Women can serve in combat roles now...even our military says they are just as capable as men when it comes to combat...surely they can stop a shop lifter.
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Perp was 64 - definitely plausible that he just up and died due to the excitement of the situation.

I'm guessing that Walmart will still quietly settle out of court with the family though.


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Not if he was in fact shoplifting and found out the hard way that the rumor that Wal-Mart will not go after shoplifters is  a fairy tale.

If Security videos show the employees used reasonable force, WM might give them a courtesy payout and a good deal on an open box (sorry) casket.
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Had a lady do that and claim her water broke.  Office smelled for a week.
Link Posted: 2/10/2016 1:40:57 AM EDT
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I reasonable world would see that Wal Mart was not responsible for years of that guy making his heart shitty.
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Yea guess his estate will have to sue McDonald's for that one lol
Link Posted: 2/10/2016 6:11:49 AM EDT
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Society,I dont get it.  They think losing 4 billion dollars a year is no big deal.  Personally I wouldnt care if a million criminals a day died. I guess that makes me a bad guy.
Link Posted: 2/10/2016 6:31:07 AM EDT
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Waiting for someone to claim that the police somehow killed him...it's coming, I'm sure...  

Wal-Mart can and does detain shoplifters.  Their loss prevention officers are kickass, and they know what they're doing.  Corporate is willing to prosecute if they catch someone stealing anything.  Pair of socks?  Charges filed.  Pack of trading cards?  Yup, prosecute.  Loaf of bread?  You guessed it...
Link Posted: 2/10/2016 6:36:25 AM EDT
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I know it's early, but I expected more from this thread.

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Waiting for someone to claim that the police somehow killed him...it's coming, I'm sure...  

Wal-Mart can and does detain shoplifters.  Their loss prevention officers are kickass, and they know what they're doing.  Corporate is willing to prosecute if they catch someone stealing anything.  Pair of socks?  Charges filed.  Pack of trading cards?  Yup, prosecute.  Loaf of bread?  You guessed it...
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Not around here. The Walmart has a pretty high threshold where they won't prosecute even if caught. Just a trespassing charge if stcky fingers returns in a specific time frame. A local Walmart has the highest theft rate of ALL Walmarts...
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Waiting for someone to claim that the police somehow killed him...it's coming, I'm sure...  

Wal-Mart can and does detain shoplifters.  Their loss prevention officers are kickass, and they know what they're doing.  Corporate is willing to prosecute if they catch someone stealing anything.  Pair of socks?  Charges filed.  Pack of trading cards?  Yup, prosecute.  Loaf of bread?  You guessed it...
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I would love to watch a shoot out between a perp and a loss prevention officer.
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Ayup..their Argument is going to be that it's against Policy to pursue or use any physical force against shoplifters and try to put it all on the employees...but Walton has the deeper pockets so.....
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This.

And zero fucks given.
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Ayup..their Argument is going to be that it's against Policy to pursue or use any physical force against shoplifters and try to put it all on the employees...but Walton has the deeper pockets so.....
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Liability... They has it.

Ayup..their Argument is going to be that it's against Policy to pursue or use any physical force against shoplifters and try to put it all on the employees...but Walton has the deeper pockets so.....


All of that depends on whether the upstanding Mr. Wisham had living relatives or not.

If there is no "they," then there is no "their argument."
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That's fucked.

My first job was at Wal-Mart back in 1991 (-94), when there was a shoplifter they would announce over the loud speaker code whatever and what section they were in but when they ran out the door they would call Code 500 and all male employees were supposed to run after and catch the shoplifter. God that was fun, I was in high school, played baseball all 4 years and would run after these fucks and knock the shit out of everyone that I caught
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Thats a really good way to get shot.   Between that and liability,  I would let the cops handle it.
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I would love to watch a shoot out between a perp and a loss prevention officer.
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Waiting for someone to claim that the police somehow killed him...it's coming, I'm sure...  

Wal-Mart can and does detain shoplifters.  Their loss prevention officers are kickass, and they know what they're doing.  Corporate is willing to prosecute if they catch someone stealing anything.  Pair of socks?  Charges filed.  Pack of trading cards?  Yup, prosecute.  Loaf of bread?  You guessed it...




I would love to watch a shoot out between a perp and a loss prevention officer.


It would be pretty one sided. I doubt LP is armed with anything.  

Link Posted: 2/10/2016 7:37:40 AM EDT
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Shoplifting shouldn't carry a death sentence. LP state, the militarization of Loss Prevention, LP Dredd.





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No they don't, assuming they actually had good evidence that he shoplifted (which they did, if they followed Walmart policies).

That doesn't mean they won't get sued, but "getting sued" and "being liable" are not the same.
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Liability... They has it.

Ayup..their Argument is going to be that it's against Policy to pursue or use any physical force against shoplifters and try to put it all on the employees...but Walton has the deeper pockets so.....


Walmart, unless things have changed, defends the SHIT out of liability cases like this one (along with slip and falls, truck accidents, etc.).

This guy's family won't get paid more than a pittance without a fight.
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FPNI

Sorry, Boys and Girls, but my care-o-meter is broken today.
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oh well. wish more shoplifting stories had a happy ending like this one.
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Perp was 64 - definitely plausible that he just up and died due to the excitement of the situation.

I'm guessing that Walmart will still quietly settle out of court with the family though.


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It's not likely that Walmart will settle out of court. They have a reputation for not doing so for almost any reason.
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I know they do apprehensions now, but I thought they got away from doing them for at least a little while.

I would bet the employees involved will be tossed under the bus but the company will settle it quietly and expensively.

Most FSA types actually have a dollar amount where Junior suddenly becomes worth the loss.
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No, Walmart doesn't roll that way.

It's something to keep in mind if you're considering shopping at a Walmart.

You're not going to get a quick settlement out of Walmart if you're injured or abused at one of thier stores.

Count on having to bring suit against them.
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All of that depends on whether the upstanding Mr. Wisham had living relatives or not.

If there is no "they," then there is no "their argument."
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Liability... They has it.

Ayup..their Argument is going to be that it's against Policy to pursue or use any physical force against shoplifters and try to put it all on the employees...but Walton has the deeper pockets so.....


All of that depends on whether the upstanding Mr. Wisham had living relatives or not.

If there is no "they," then there is no "their argument."

 "Their Argument" was meant to be "Wal-Mart" not the dead Shoplifter.... It all comes down to Policy and whether or not the LP dudes violated it.  AFAIK Wally World (Officially at least) Forbids its LP personnel to use any kind of physical force.  It was DEFINITELY the case at the one where I worked as a PO, they had a hands off policy....any fighting, or force and the backed off and let the shittum go.  As opposed to our local K-Mart who used to tackle people in the parking lot and get sued all the time.
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Perp was 64 - definitely plausible that he just up and died due to the excitement of the situation.



I'm guessing that Walmart will still quietly settle out of court with the family though.









It's not likely that Walmart will settle out of court. They have a reputation for not doing so for almost any reason.

For good reason. I'm sure it cuts down on the BS lawsuits by those just trolling for some quick money. I worked for a hospital that did the same thing. Unless the internal investigation uncovered some gross negligence the plaintiff was going to have to earn their money.

 
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