Would you believe me if I told you that a man jumped on not one, but two grenades and survived, then jumped out of an airplane from 3,500 feet with no parachute, hit the ground, and walk away uninjured?

Because many of them in this thread have a need to somehow feel superior (Little man syndrome)

If the existance of a god looks exactly like nonexistance, then what do you need a god for?

So many angry atheists are on their own crusades, vehemently refusing to relent or admit why they're so angry.

A friend of mine lost faith and converted to atheism.  It became all he could talk about; it dominated his social media pages and conversations he had FTF.

Like I said, practice a little live and let live.  Christians aren't hurting you with their beliefs.

You're back to relying on faith
Which is fine for the True Believers
Just don't try to claim that the historical record backs up matters of faith.

Bingo

I never claimed there was any point to my being here.  But the fact is that there IS a point, that being to procreate, protect my offspring, and teach them to the best of my ability to be successful in the endeavor of procreating themselves.  

The "objective morality" you speak of never did exist. The morals of Christians are vastly different from those of the early church and their predecessors the Hebrews.  It has always been, and will always be, nothing more than the prevalent pressures of conformity to the society in which you live.  Were you raised in Iran by Muslims your "objective morality" would be quite different than it is now.

Maybe she's fine without you telling her she's in danger because you say so.

Well, we differ.  I fully believe that God found killing necessary.  Say, when he delivers tribe X into the hands of the Hebrews to be destroyed.  God didn't kill every man, woman and child with lightning bolts, Hebrews did it with slings and spears and sickle swords.  But, the Hebrews didn't wipe out tribe X for shits and grins...God demanded it directly.  The killing was done for God, and in accordance with God's law.  Even executions are okay...in accordnace with God's law.

The difference here is that when you say "I have a gun and can kill someone in defense of self/home/lawnmower/etc", you are in effect pre-empting God's judgement and law.   God's law doesn't say "you can take the life of someone who threatens you with a stick".  Unless you are a prophet of God, you have no authority to act on God's behalf (i.e., the old joke about the Marine punching the professor..."God was busy, so he sent me").

In the New Testament, Jesus preaches pacifism when it comes to personal protection.  God will reward the meek, and punish those who "live by the sword".  NOWHERE does Jesus preach the application of violence for personal preservation.  The only acceptable use of violence I could find is that Jesus does say to render unto Ceasar.  So, our government requires men to register for the draft in order to defend the nation in time of crisis.  IMO, your use of force is sanctioned by God if the government drafts you (because you are rendering unto Ceasar your service as required).  Volunteers are not sanctioned (your service was not required).  Same would work at the state/community level.  If the government calls forth the militia (of which you are a designated member) to use force in defense of the community, you are sanctioned.  If you voluntarily shoot a robber, you are not (you preempted Ceasar).    

I suppose you could consider that the government has permanently called forth the militia in order to kill would-be criminals by passage of self-defense laws, but my opinion would be to disagree...as self defense laws seem to be written around a persona under their own direction acting in defense of the person rather than defense of the community, while the law regarding militia seems to be written toward defense of the community under direction of the government.  So, IMO self defense law seems to violate a tenant of Christianity.

Now, I don't have a problem with self defense at all...I subscribe to it myself.  I just can't find a way to reconcile it with either the Old or New Testament, so I don't pretend I'm somehow justified under Christian teaching.  Forgiveable, yes.  Justified, no.

It certainly isn't apparent in all people all of the time.
Neither is some forms of illnesses.
Yet I have seen man healed and even believe in some cases to be genuinely divinely inspired.
Some immediate and then some not so much.
I have also seen a few members of the medical community at a loss.
It was ok with me.
I believe that there has been definite help through prayer and supplication for some even here in GD.
Maybe a few may post latter.

The God of Abraham never sleeps or rests as a man will do.

Pretty much. I try to gently explain this to the rest of my family.



My older brother took the concealed handgun license class with me and never sent in his paperwork. His wife WANTS him to get it, but he never has (this has been going on for years). I might take her to the range sometime so that she can give him a bigger push.



BIL and little sister are a little... dorky... but she has four kids and insists that she'd destroy whoever tried to harm them. But not protect herself (she's a "shoot them in the leg" type) and she still doesn't have a gun. I've taken her to the range though.



Big sister has gone to the range with me but won't carry a gun because she "doesn't want to be responsible for someone going to hell" Conversely, after seeing her get angry at people a few times, I'm not sure I'd want her carrying anyway...



Mom and stepdad are probably the most "enlightened" as far as shooting but they don't carry yet (both have their pistols and ARs though).



It's bad when I feel like the normal one of the family



 

It terrifies some people though.

There is no point to any of us being here, we are here, but it isn't by design.

Yep. Does this woman or her family work?  Why not just lay around all day and rely on God to give you what you want?  It doesn't work that way. God helps those who help themselves. I am a firm believer in God but I am also going to use the tools I've been blessed with to send those who would hurt my family to meet God sooner than they hoped should the need arise.

Are you delusional or a complete outright lying ass? Because it ain't Zorastrians telling ignorant Africans that god doesn't want them to put a rubber on their cocks. It ain't Odin worshippers keeping me from getting a beer when I get off work at 0100. It wasn't Belgian neopagans who kicked off that bit of unpleasantness between the Tutsi and Hutu. It wasn't Isis devotees stirring shit in El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua in the 70s and 80s. Don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining, boy. Oh, and the WOD is a christian invention, just like the idiocy of alcohol prohibition, both policies that harmed millions, and continue to do so.

The only passage quoted absolves one of blood if one wounds a thief and the thief happens to die.


So, you may wound a person without the intent of killing them, and if they happen to die, you are absolved.  It specifically says "wounded".  If the absolution was to cover killing outright, it would have said "and be slain" rather than "and be wounded".  

The rest of his summary is all just his personal opinion.  Just like when he says .  St Thomas just inferred that.  There was no verse to back up the premise that a man's life is more valuable than his home.  

Some people are like that, probably about the same percentage as the crazy bible thumpers really.

Most though just like a good discussion, and it's been seen in the evolution threads. They get grumpy about it when you present facts, actual observable facts, and then the opposing side continues to argue a losing battle.

In reality, most people that don't believe don't really care about what another person believes, they don't stay up at night thinking about it, or go into public and start arguments about it.

I think you can agree that most people in these threads will argue relatively politely, and very few ever come of as bitter, or angry people.

Well then, party on. I will note that you are failing under Peter 3:15. And  it is affect, not effect.

I stand corrected sir….you've truly live in trying times and daily tragedy purported by Christians.

Maybe buy a 6 pack and keep in your fridge to satiate your early morning alcohol needs.  That'll show those Christians who's boss.

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I won't deny that I rely on faith in my life. I had faith before I was laying on a hospital bed with my heart stopped and had still had my faith when my heart started back beating without use of a defibrillator. at the same time I can find evidence to cement my faith by things I read outside of the Bible, and by things that I witness with my own eyes in my life. Not everyone will see it or walk blindly in faith, and I can no more cause you to find faith than you can cause me to lose mine.

And thus what the Bible calls the typical man, or man who has been captured by the typical way of thinking.
Thus, the sting of death applies, and the possibility or potentiality of eternal life does not exist.
If this man claims, by faith, that God does not exist, then he will receive the portion of existence that he has asked for.
This is the Biblical judgment and is equitable and just for the receiver.
This is the judgment and the eternal one also.
Yet, the Bible clearly states that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Jesus Christ is that Name, the potential Savior for the all of mankind.

I had no idea christians were capable of any type of honesty. Well done. I stand shocked.

Off your meds?

It's ironically appropriate that your username is a class of parasite.

my house is protected by the good Lord and a gun, and you might meet 'em both if you show up here not welcome

Well I would tend to believe he is a leftist

That would make a great sign

Whatever, pusher.

Well he is correct

And the description certainly does fit

It made a great song lyric.

Save me? I hope so.

Protect me? Just a bonus if it happens.

So far, He has been phenomenally good to me, for which I am grateful.

I suspect it's more complicated than just being a leftist.

Somewhere in the DSM-5 there's a couple pages that could lend some insight to our parasitic friend.

 
It's like that joke about the man in the flood. GOD would save him he said. After 4 different people come along with a car, raft, big boat and chopper that he turns away he drowns. Gets to Heaven and asks GOD why he didn't save him. GOD tells him I sent you a car, raft, big boat and chopper what more did you want.

Like I said, some do not count certain forms of persecution and belittlement as some others might do.

Reminds of that idiot woman in Red Dead Redemption.

Really? I anchor my life in reason and logic. You base your's on fantasy. There's plenty said about that sort of thing in DSM-V, and it says you are the crazy one there, Axis II boy.

Indeed, his obsession with believers is quite abnormal

You fucking people need to get over yourselves.  

Just because somebody likes or believes something you don't, doesn't make the a "leftist", "commie", etc.

I swear there are just as many low information / ignorant voters on the right as their is on the left.

Listen to this guy.        




 

Posting off target, random crapola doesn't make you interesting, wise, or gnomic, it means you are pathetic and intellectually dishonest

"All that hate's gonna burn you up kid."  -Col Andy Tanner

Have a nice day parasite.

Allepo tom marrow you'd be a believer real fast.

I think you missed the gist of the entire conversation.  Neither of us is chastising him for anything other than his unrelenting hatred for Christians.

I asked, "why hate," and tried to suggest a little live and let live because Christians weren't hurting him.  The only way he could come up with how he's negatively effected is that he can't buy beer at 0100 hours.  All the other reasoning was

But thanks for your helpful suggestion.  I will try to get over myself by the end of the work day.

I hear 10% of your kind steal from patients for your own use. I guess that cuts down on the number you accidentally OD. Bye.

A whole lot of truth there.

Shame on both sides with all the name calling. What ever happen to live and let live?

So are you admitting that you are on Meds?

Awesome! The best you have is an outright lie. Thanks for winning for me!