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Posted: 2/8/2016 10:41:30 PM EDT
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So did the fat ass Christie
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Posted: 2/8/2016 10:45:47 PM EDT
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He did.
But contrast that with all the really great pro-gun laws hes signed since SH. NFA shall issue. Mag cap (over 30) gone CCW shall issue. And many more Im sure Im forgetting.. Theres a reason many pro gun folks in OH are quite happy to have him as Governor. If you live in OH, calling him antigun for the AWB bullshit is laughable. Is it inexcusable? Of course not. But look at whats he done for the 2A in OH this millenium before you judge. ETA: OH has arguably the best guns laws in the midwest. And right up there nationwide. And a lot of that is thanks to Governor Kasich. And Im voting Cruz btw, FWIW. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 10:47:05 PM EDT
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As an Ohio representative Kasich voted for the 1994 assault weapon ban. He ran for president once before, his run didn't last long at all. There was very little support even in Ohio for him.
As Ohio governor he has signed all pro-RKBA legislation. Not Micky Mouse pro-RKBA legislation either, NFA shall sign, no more 30 round mag limit, have solid CHL reforms, statewide firearms law preemption, a bunch of other stuff. Kasich has learned the lesson that it's not a good move to piss off gun voters. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 10:50:09 PM EDT
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He has been a strongrkba supporter in Ohio. He admits that the 1994 thing was a mistake.
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Posted: 2/8/2016 10:57:31 PM EDT
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He did. But contrast that with all the really great pro-gun laws hes signed since SH. NFA shall issue. Mag cap (over 30) gone CCW shall issue. And many more Im sure Im forgetting.. Theres a reason many pro gun folks in OH are quite happy to have him as Governor. If you live in OH, calling him antigun for the AWB bullshit is laughable. Is it inexcusable? Of course not. But look at whats he done for the 2A in OH this millenium before you judge. ETA: OH has arguably the best guns laws in the midwest. And right up there nationwide. And a lot of that is thanks to Governor Kasich. And Im voting Cruz btw, FWIW. This. I had my doubts about Kasich when he was running for Governor but he's been solid since. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 11:55:19 PM EDT
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He's really a pretty good guy, he just comes across as a mentally unstable douchewad.
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:02:38 AM EDT
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So did Reagan
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:09:20 AM EDT
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:12:48 AM EDT
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Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Only a fucking idiot would think that banning "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:19:52 AM EDT
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Only a fucking idiot would think that banning a "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Only a fucking idiot would think that banning a "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Wow... |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:24:32 AM EDT
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Only a fucking idiot would think that banning a "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Only a fucking idiot would think that banning a "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Lol. Not at all, it was a generational thing. He was a fudd like everyone his age |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:25:09 AM EDT
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In addition he's also helped make our CCW laws much better by allowing carry in liquor establishments if you aren't drinking and also revising the car carry rules (originally you had to carry your CCW in plain sight in a vehicle
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:25:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only a f idiot would think that banning a "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Only a f idiot would think that banning a "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe.  |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:25:55 AM EDT
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He has been a strongrkba supporter in Ohio. He admits that the 1994 thing was a mistake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
He has been a strongrkba supporter in Ohio. He admits that the 1994 thing was a mistake. He didn't say it was a mistake when questioned about it by Chris Wallace a few months ago on Fox News Sunday and he was recently touting it on The View which was shown today on Fox. The 1994 Clinton gun ban was not the only gun restrictions he supported or voted for right up until 1999 when in Congress. He was a big time gun banner until it no longer played well for him. video Q: Let me pick up on another issue that some conservatives have with you. Back in 1994, you voted for the assault weapons ban that Bill Clinton was proposing, which earned you an "F" from NRA. Now, your NRA rating is a straight "A". What would you say to a gun rights advocate who is going to say I'm not sure I like the guy who at one time had an "F" from the NRA?
KASICH: That was an assault weapon ban. I'm a Second Amendment advocate. I don't believe the government should be taking guns from people. I think people have a right to be armed. It's about keeping the Second Amendment and it's allowing legitimate gun owners to be able to do what they want, which is exercise their constitutional right. So people don't need to worry about that. Q: Do you regret your vote for the assault weapons ban in '94? KASICH: No, when I look at it now, it was superfluous. We were adding a law that had no impact. And I don't think that's ever smart to do. Source: Fox News Sunday 2015 coverage of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Aug 2, 2015 The View Whoopi GOLDBERG: So why is it so difficult for us to say, here's the bottom line. We're not going sell AK-47s because you can't hunt with them. You can't hunt a dear. There's nothing left. Can you do that as president? KASICH: Well, you know Whoopi I voted for an assault weapons ban and all that happened was they just changed the structure of the gun. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:43:14 AM EDT
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So the AWB , Amnesty and Debt, but yet he calls himself a conservative, Then again Reagan
was called a great conservative and still is by the National Review. 
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:48:56 AM EDT
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So the AWB , Amnesty and Debt, but yet he calls himself a conservative, Then again Reagan was called a great conservative and still is by the National Review. and 50% of arfcom. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:53:59 AM EDT
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What did John Kasich say he wants to do in his first 100 days as President? Legalize every illegal alien in the United States.
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Posted: 2/9/2016 12:56:45 AM EDT
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Relative to the wording of the 2nd, are there really any pro-gun laws?
Infringe is negative. Not infringe is pro, or positive. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 1:01:12 AM EDT
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He just said recently that he is a good compromise between Bernie and Shillery.
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Posted: 2/9/2016 1:45:31 AM EDT
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He didn't say it was a mistake when questioned about it by Chris Wallace a few months ago on Fox News Sunday and he was recently touting it on The View which was shown today on Fox. The 1994 Clinton gun ban was not the only gun restrictions he supported or voted for right up until 1999 when in Congress. He was a big time gun banner until it no longer played well for him. video Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He has been a strongrkba supporter in Ohio. He admits that the 1994 thing was a mistake. He didn't say it was a mistake when questioned about it by Chris Wallace a few months ago on Fox News Sunday and he was recently touting it on The View which was shown today on Fox. The 1994 Clinton gun ban was not the only gun restrictions he supported or voted for right up until 1999 when in Congress. He was a big time gun banner until it no longer played well for him. video Q: Let me pick up on another issue that some conservatives have with you. Back in 1994, you voted for the assault weapons ban that Bill Clinton was proposing, which earned you an "F" from NRA. Now, your NRA rating is a straight "A". What would you say to a gun rights advocate who is going to say I'm not sure I like the guy who at one time had an "F" from the NRA?
KASICH: That was an assault weapon ban. I'm a Second Amendment advocate. I don't believe the government should be taking guns from people. I think people have a right to be armed. It's about keeping the Second Amendment and it's allowing legitimate gun owners to be able to do what they want, which is exercise their constitutional right. So people don't need to worry about that. Q: Do you regret your vote for the assault weapons ban in '94? KASICH: No, when I look at it now, it was superfluous. We were adding a law that had no impact. And I don't think that's ever smart to do. Source: Fox News Sunday 2015 coverage of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Aug 2, 2015 The View Whoopi GOLDBERG: So why is it so difficult for us to say, here's the bottom line. We're not going sell AK-47s because you can't hunt with them. You can't hunt a dear. There's nothing left. Can you do that as president? KASICH: Well, you know Whoopi I voted for an assault weapons ban and all that happened was they just changed the structure of the gun. important comment on the topic. (IMO) He will turn when it fits the agenda.. Of course, he is a politician, so that may be why.. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 1:49:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 1:54:54 AM EDT
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How many other candidates have signed "Shall Issue" NFA laws for their state? It's a moot point now since 41F dropped the CLEO signature, but Kasich had the stones to make it law that the CLEO's would sign for your forms.
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:09:18 AM EDT
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I am thinking Kasich would make a good VP. Lots of experience in making deals. As an outsider, it looks like he has done a good job in Ohio.
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:21:43 AM EDT
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I am thinking Kasich would make a good VP. Lots of experience in making deals. As an outsider, it looks like he has done a good job in Ohio. It wouldn't surprise me to see him as the VP pick. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:21:51 AM EDT
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he is the only one of the 13 or so that's running that has a track record on voting YES on the 1994 Clinton Gun Ban
I'll vote for that jackass approximately the same time I sprout wings and fly Do we need the cake diagram again to explain why there is no such thing as compromise in regards to the Second Amendment ? No other person running has done anything to prohibit me from an AR15, Kasich has |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:24:54 AM EDT
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he is the only one of the 13 or so that's running that has a track record on voting YES on the 1994 Clinton Gun Ban I'll vote for that jackass approximately the same time I sprout wings and fly Do we need the cake diagram again to explain why there is no such thing as compromise in regards to the Second Amendment ? No other person running has done anything to prohibit me from an AR15, Kasich has He also signed shall sign NFA and removed Ohio's 30-round magazine ban. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:32:19 AM EDT
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So he supported the AWB and donated to Hillary multiple times? What a scumbag.
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:33:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He did. But contrast that with all the really great pro-gun laws hes signed since SH. NFA shall issue. Mag cap (over 30) gone CCW shall issue. And many more Im sure Im forgetting.. Theres a reason many pro gun folks in OH are quite happy to have him as Governor. If you live in OH, calling him antigun for the AWB bullshit is laughable. Is it inexcusable? Of course not. But look at whats he done for the 2A in OH this millenium before you judge. ETA: OH has arguably the best guns laws in the midwest. And right up there nationwide. And a lot of that is thanks to Governor Kasich. And Im voting Cruz btw, FWIW. Not even close - I suggest you check out your neighbor to the west  |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:36:14 AM EDT
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Not even close - I suggest you check out your neighbor to the west
Well it's close, but you guys definitely get the midwest win. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:36:40 AM EDT
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important comment on the topic. (IMO) He will turn when it fits the agenda.. Of course, he is a politician, so that may be why.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He has been a strongrkba supporter in Ohio. He admits that the 1994 thing was a mistake. He didn't say it was a mistake when questioned about it by Chris Wallace a few months ago on Fox News Sunday and he was recently touting it on The View which was shown today on Fox. The 1994 Clinton gun ban was not the only gun restrictions he supported or voted for right up until 1999 when in Congress. He was a big time gun banner until it no longer played well for him. video Q: Let me pick up on another issue that some conservatives have with you. Back in 1994, you voted for the assault weapons ban that Bill Clinton was proposing, which earned you an "F" from NRA. Now, your NRA rating is a straight "A". What would you say to a gun rights advocate who is going to say I'm not sure I like the guy who at one time had an "F" from the NRA?
KASICH: That was an assault weapon ban. I'm a Second Amendment advocate. I don't believe the government should be taking guns from people. I think people have a right to be armed. It's about keeping the Second Amendment and it's allowing legitimate gun owners to be able to do what they want, which is exercise their constitutional right. So people don't need to worry about that. Q: Do you regret your vote for the assault weapons ban in '94? KASICH: No, when I look at it now, it was superfluous. We were adding a law that had no impact. And I don't think that's ever smart to do. Source: Fox News Sunday 2015 coverage of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Aug 2, 2015 The View Whoopi GOLDBERG: So why is it so difficult for us to say, here's the bottom line. We're not going sell AK-47s because you can't hunt with them. You can't hunt a dear. There's nothing left. Can you do that as president? KASICH: Well, you know Whoopi I voted for an assault weapons ban and all that happened was they just changed the structure of the gun. important comment on the topic. (IMO) He will turn when it fits the agenda.. Of course, he is a politician, so that may be why.. Yep. He has no actual belief in the 2nd Amendment - His actions are based solely on which way the political winds happen to be blowing. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:44:14 AM EDT
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He has no actual belief in the 2nd Amendment - His actions are based solely on which way the political winds happen to be blowing. I've said this for a while. He's been GREAT for gun owners in Ohio (I voted for him as Governor twice and I'd do it again if I could), but I'm reasonably certain it's because he knows it's basically a requirement in Ohio these days. His predecessor (a Democrat) was fairly solid on the 2A as well - better than the Republican that preceded him, as a matter of fact. I seriously doubt that was a principled position on his part, either - just political reality in Ohio. It will take a lot to convince me he's doing it for reasons other than political expediency. I don't think he's truly a pro 2A guy. I also don't give a shit, as long as he keeps signing pro-gun bills one after another in Ohio, like he has been. I don't hate him as our Governor (and I'm also enjoying the tax cuts he's championed, along with the $2B budget surplus), but I really can't support him for President. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:46:16 AM EDT
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Only a fucking idiot would think that banning "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Only a fucking idiot would think that banning "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Reagan was out of office and in late stages of Alzheimer's when he voiced support for an AWB. As far as the 86 ban goes, that was tacked on in the middle of the night by dems. Everything else in that bill was a huge plus for gun owners. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 3:24:37 AM EDT
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Reagan was out of office and in late stages of Alzheimer's when he voiced support for an AWB. As far as the 86 ban goes, that was tacked on in the middle of the night by dems. Everything else in that bill was a huge plus for gun owners. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Only a fucking idiot would think that banning "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Reagan was out of office and in late stages of Alzheimer's when he voiced support for an AWB. As far as the 86 ban goes, that was tacked on in the middle of the night by dems. Everything else in that bill was a huge plus for gun owners. Nope. He was diagnosed AFTER he supported the AWB. It was just a few years after he left office and he was 100% fine mentally, and he is just a moderate. Prove me wrong... |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 3:58:52 AM EDT
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He is a great Ohio Governor just like fat ass is a great NJ Governor BUT NO fucking way I want them as a president
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Posted: 2/9/2016 4:13:28 AM EDT
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He has been a strongrkba supporter in Ohio. He admits that the 1994 thing was a mistake. Well.... sort of. He says the bill was a mistake. He hasn't actually said (at least in the interviews I've read) that his vote on it was a mistake. It's the one thing that I've heard about him so far that keeps me from liking him as a candidate. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 4:42:48 AM EDT
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Rubio said it was a mistake to vote on immigration
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Posted: 2/9/2016 8:02:08 AM EDT
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Nope. He was diagnosed AFTER he supported the AWB. It was just a few years after he left office and he was 100% fine mentally, and he is just a moderate. Prove me wrong... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Only a fucking idiot would think that banning "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Reagan was out of office and in late stages of Alzheimer's when he voiced support for an AWB. As far as the 86 ban goes, that was tacked on in the middle of the night by dems. Everything else in that bill was a huge plus for gun owners. Nope. He was diagnosed AFTER he supported the AWB. It was just a few years after he left office and he was 100% fine mentally, and he is just a moderate. Prove me wrong... The AWB was not done under Reagan's term for one. The ban was in 1994, so I would like to know how a man that left office in 1989 was president during a ban that took place 5 years later. Reagan was starting to suffer from Alzheimer's symptoms in his last years of office. In fact, he was officially diagnosed in 1994. He did offer support of the Brady Bill as early as 1991, but, there are multiple dozens of witnesses that even as early as 1986 said that Reagan did not recognize them, including all four of Reagan's white house doctors. or had very fuzzy memories, or issues associated with early onset of the disease. So even if you go back to his 1991 support of the Brady Bill, you will have had Reagan with medical issues for several years prior. By the time the AWB was being lobbied and he offered support, he was already a major sufferer. Would you like more proof? |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 8:33:36 AM EDT
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Yeah, he fucked up...........at least he admitted it and turned it around.
Jury is still out on whether he really changed his tune for anything other than votes. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 8:42:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Bullshit. They knew perfectly well that the guns they banned were used in a very small percentage of gun crimes. The AWB was all about frightening people and looking like they were doing something to combat crime, when the goal was to control The People's rights. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 8:53:23 AM EDT
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Bullshit. They knew perfectly well that the guns they banned were used in a very small percentage of gun crimes. The AWB was all about frightening people and looking like they were doing something to combat crime, when the goal was to control The People's rights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Bullshit. They knew perfectly well that the guns they banned were used in a very small percentage of gun crimes. The AWB was all about frightening people and looking like they were doing something to combat crime, when the goal was to control The People's rights. Yep I believe the only candidates in the race that supported AWB's are Kasich Christie Trump |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 9:00:17 AM EDT
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What's his history gun being either anti or pro gun? Yes, he voted for the ban in 1994, but he has seen the error of his ways. Since he has been governor of OH, he has signed without waiver every pro gun piece of legislation that has crossed his desk. Ohio now has some of the most liberal (in the true sense of the word) gun laws in the the country. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 9:02:11 AM EDT
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He is a great Ohio Governor just like fat ass is a great NJ Governor BUT NO fucking way I want them as a president I like the cut of your jib sir. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 9:15:52 AM EDT
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Only a fucking idiot would think that banning "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Only a fucking idiot would think that banning "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. How old are you? I'm guessing not old enough to remember anything from the 80s other than the rubik's cube and Muppet Babies cartoons. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 9:16:53 AM EDT
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He gets forgiven but Bill Ruger still gets bashed.
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Posted: 2/9/2016 9:17:47 AM EDT
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How old are you? I'm guessing not old enough to remember anything from the 80s other than the rubik's cube and Muppet Babies cartoons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did Reagan Yep. But we now have something that Reagan and Kasich didn't: DATA We now know that gun bans don't do shit. But at the time they supported those ideas, the conventional wisdom was that those evil weapons were responsible for violent crime and that limiting their ownership would reduce it. Kasich admits it was a mistake and I'm sure Reagan would too if he were alive. Only a fucking idiot would think that banning "assault rifles" would reduce crime, even before the data came out. Reagan was a douche canoe. How old are you? I'm guessing not old enough to remember anything from the 80s other than the rubik's cube and Muppet Babies cartoons. I am 67. I like Reagan but his running from Beirut is unforgivable, but I ain't calling him a douche of any kind. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 10:48:17 AM EDT
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I've said this for a while. He's been GREAT for gun owners in Ohio (I voted for him as Governor twice and I'd do it again if I could), but I'm reasonably certain it's because he knows it's basically a requirement in Ohio these days. His predecessor (a Democrat) was fairly solid on the 2A as well - better than the Republican that preceded him, as a matter of fact. I seriously doubt that was a principled position on his part, either - just political reality in Ohio. It will take a lot to convince me he's doing it for reasons other than political expediency. I don't think he's truly a pro 2A guy. I also don't give a shit, as long as he keeps signing pro-gun bills one after another in Ohio, like he has been. I don't hate him as our Governor (and I'm also enjoying the tax cuts he's championed, along with the $2B budget surplus), but I really can't support him for President. Pretty much this. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 10:54:05 AM EDT
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He is a great Ohio Governor just like fat ass is a great NJ Governor BUT NO fucking way I want them as a president 
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Posted: 2/9/2016 10:56:15 AM EDT
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I've said this for a while. He's been GREAT for gun owners in Ohio (I voted for him as Governor twice and I'd do it again if I could), but I'm reasonably certain it's because he knows it's basically a requirement in Ohio these days. His predecessor (a Democrat) was fairly solid on the 2A as well - better than the Republican that preceded him, as a matter of fact. I seriously doubt that was a principled position on his part, either - just political reality in Ohio. It will take a lot to convince me he's doing it for reasons other than political expediency. I don't think he's truly a pro 2A guy. I also don't give a shit, as long as he keeps signing pro-gun bills one after another in Ohio, like he has been. I don't hate him as our Governor (and I'm also enjoying the tax cuts he's championed, along with the $2B budget surplus), but I really can't support him for President. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He has no actual belief in the 2nd Amendment - His actions are based solely on which way the political winds happen to be blowing. I've said this for a while. He's been GREAT for gun owners in Ohio (I voted for him as Governor twice and I'd do it again if I could), but I'm reasonably certain it's because he knows it's basically a requirement in Ohio these days. His predecessor (a Democrat) was fairly solid on the 2A as well - better than the Republican that preceded him, as a matter of fact. I seriously doubt that was a principled position on his part, either - just political reality in Ohio. It will take a lot to convince me he's doing it for reasons other than political expediency. I don't think he's truly a pro 2A guy. I also don't give a shit, as long as he keeps signing pro-gun bills one after another in Ohio, like he has been. I don't hate him as our Governor (and I'm also enjoying the tax cuts he's championed, along with the $2B budget surplus), but I really can't support him for President. I agree with you Sub, Kasich has been a good Governor and signed pro gun legislation. I don't think he'll get the nomination. IMO.....He has a shot for the VP nod. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 3:33:11 PM EDT
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he is the only one of the 13 or so that's running that has a track record on voting YES on the 1994 Clinton Gun Ban I'll vote for that jackass approximately the same time I sprout wings and fly Do we need the cake diagram again to explain why there is no such thing as compromise in regards to the Second Amendment ? No other person running has done anything to prohibit me from an AR15, Kasich has Christie signed legislation banning .50 caliber rifles. Are you OK with that? |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 4:22:44 PM EDT
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Christie signed legislation banning .50 caliber rifles. Are you OK with that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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he is the only one of the 13 or so that's running that has a track record on voting YES on the 1994 Clinton Gun Ban I'll vote for that jackass approximately the same time I sprout wings and fly Do we need the cake diagram again to explain why there is no such thing as compromise in regards to the Second Amendment ? No other person running has done anything to prohibit me from an AR15, Kasich has Christie signed legislation banning .50 caliber rifles. Are you OK with that? Are you sure about that? Everything I find says he vetoed that. Christie altered two bills, sending them back to the Legislature — a massive measure (S2723) known as state Senate President Stephen Sweeney’s “centerpiece” to overhaul the way the state issues firearms ID cards, and legislation to require New Jersey law enforcement agencies to report information on lost, stolen and discarded guns to federal databases (A3797).
But the governor completely axed a bill that would ban the Barrett .50 caliber rifle(A3659), which is the most powerful weapon commonly available to civilians. Christie had called for a ban on future sales of the weapon in his own package of violent prevention measures outlined in April. In his veto message delivered this evening, Christie said that his proposal to ban the weapon was more narrowly tailored than the bill the Legislature passed, which would have also required owners to give them up. “Tellingly, the Legislature points to no instance of this class of firearms being used by even a single criminal in New Jersey,” Christie wrote. “The wide scope of this total ban, therefore, will not further public safety, but only interfere with lawful recreational pastimes.” Christie started his career as a gun banner and is a POS but did he ban .50 caliber firearms as he wanted or did he actually veto the ban as every article I can find with Google claims? |
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