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This happens on at least a quarterly basis on I-40 near Amarillo
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. View Quote Asset forfeiture would make sense of it went to a crime victim restitution program, and not the government. Errrbody wants a piece of that pie so it's a lot rarer than you think. |
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Asset forfeiture would make sense of it went to a crime victim restitution program, and not the government. Errrbody wants a piece of that pie so it's a lot rarer than you think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. Asset forfeiture would make sense of it went to a crime victim restitution program, and not the government. Errrbody wants a piece of that pie so it's a lot rarer than you think. Asset forfeiture is rare? Where did you get that idea? The LA Times used to have huge ads listing the seized cars up for auction, as just one example. |
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Asset forfeiture is rare? Where did you get that idea? The LA Times used to have huge ads listing the seized cars up for auction, as just one example. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. Asset forfeiture would make sense of it went to a crime victim restitution program, and not the government. Errrbody wants a piece of that pie so it's a lot rarer than you think. Asset forfeiture is rare? Where did you get that idea? The LA Times used to have huge ads listing the seized cars up for auction, as just one example. It's more rare than you think because it's a pain. Everyone involved wants a piece. The more players, the less money for the work. A place like LA probably has the resources to process forfeitures. |
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Relax, we'll use the money to build a wall. Not the whole wall.
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Quoted: Fortunately the $750,000 entered into evidence will go to a broken homes charity after the trial. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That 1 million will really help out the state. Fortunately the $750,000 entered into evidence will go to a broken homes charity after the trial. |
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It's more rare than you think because it's a pain. Everyone involved wants a piece. The more players, the less money for the work. A place like LA probably has the resources to process forfeitures. Fence the goods View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. Asset forfeiture would make sense of it went to a crime victim restitution program, and not the government. Errrbody wants a piece of that pie so it's a lot rarer than you think. Asset forfeiture is rare? Where did you get that idea? The LA Times used to have huge ads listing the seized cars up for auction, as just one example. It's more rare than you think because it's a pain. Everyone involved wants a piece. The more players, the less money for the work. A place like LA probably has the resources to process forfeitures. Fence the goods |
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That was $1,274,000 in mostly $10's, $20's, and $100's . . . Happened two counties over . . . One perp was from Oregon, the other from China. $1 million cash found in traffic stop https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20120422/Seizure%2B3.jpg View Quote Yep, that looks like the cash that was stolen from my house. How do I get that back? |
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I have to teach my dog to sniff for cash......or coke since it's probably all over the money
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It's more rare than you think because it's a pain. Everyone involved wants a piece. The more players, the less money for the work. A place like LA probably has the resources to process forfeitures. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. Asset forfeiture would make sense of it went to a crime victim restitution program, and not the government. Errrbody wants a piece of that pie so it's a lot rarer than you think. Asset forfeiture is rare? Where did you get that idea? The LA Times used to have huge ads listing the seized cars up for auction, as just one example. It's more rare than you think because it's a pain. Everyone involved wants a piece. The more players, the less money for the work. A place like LA probably has the resources to process forfeitures. Value of Asset Forfeiture Recoveries by US Attorneys Year Asset Value Annual %Chg 1989 $285,000,039 -- 1990 451,870,952 +58.6% 1991 596,879,728 +32.1% 1992 325,786,450 -45.4% 1993 385,000,701 +18.2% 1994 418,224,247 +8.6% 1995 464,666,914 +11.1% 1996 377,527,900 -18.8% 1997 570,656,170 +51.2% 1998 280,808,572 -50.8% 1999 535,767,852 +90.8% 2000 312,676,413 -41.6% 2001(a) 199,043,103 -36.3% 2002 322,246,408 +61.9% 2003 342,862,000 +6.4% 2004 (b) 300,779,267 -12.3% 2005 313,866,115 +4.4% 2006 841,094,697 +168.0% 2007 1,323,094,697 +57.3% 2008 1,103,810,683 -16.6% 2009 1,129,381,466 +2.3% 2010 1,786,567,692 +58.2% TOTAL $12,667,612,066 +1 - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Forfeiture#sthash.rVuLbGiD.dpuf ETA: Total financing sources realized by the Fund in FY 2014 were $3,777.3 million, an increase of $1,766.0 million compared to $2,011.3 million realized in FY 2013. - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Forfeiture#sthash.rVuLbGiD.dpuf So $3 billion+ per year is what you would call "rare"? ETA2: That doesn't include state seizures. |
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Can you prove he's a drug dealer? That whole innocent until proven guilty thing View Quote Hell, they don't even need to prove it (at this stage), just have some probable cause, not just "WOW! that's a lot of money, you MUST be a criminal." BS! Oh and jet another reminder to not consent to a search of your car. |
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"drug" dog, huh?
Sounds more like a money dog to me. Either it sucks at it's job, or it's job isn't really to find drugs. |
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I'm sure they were on their way to Barrett Jackson to buy a rare automobile......I'm sure their W2's would show that that amount of money was "walking around money".
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Money laundering case, forfeiture will come later. RIF. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. Money laundering case, forfeiture will come later. RIF. On what evidence? And why were they stopped in the first place? |
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Only a drug dealer would try that kind of dodge to deflect attention from himself. That's all the proof we need, so time to take his money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you a drug dealer? Can you prove he's a drug dealer? That whole innocent until proven guilty thing Only a drug dealer would try that kind of dodge to deflect attention from himself. That's all the proof we need, so time to take his money. The stupid, it burns! |
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You look like a drug dealer to me. Give me all the money in your wallet and the keys to your car. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My solution to asset forfeiture is to change the law so that money so seized will be held a few months so the owner can attempt to get it back. After a while, if he doesn't, burn it. Burn baby burn! You look like a drug dealer to me. Give me all the money in your wallet and the keys to your car. If my advice is followed, the money is burned, and my car would be crushed and recycled. No incentive for asset forfeiture, though if they believe they have a case for an actual crime, they can still pursue it. Burn baby burn!, not to be confused with Bern, baby, Bern. Then we all have to forfeit everything. |
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If my advice is followed, the money is burned, and my car would be crushed and recycled. No incentive for asset forfeiture, though if they believe they have a case for an actual crime, they can still pursue it. Burn baby burn!, not to be confused with Bern, baby, Bern. Then we all have to forfeit everything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My solution to asset forfeiture is to change the law so that money so seized will be held a few months so the owner can attempt to get it back. After a while, if he doesn't, burn it. Burn baby burn! You look like a drug dealer to me. Give me all the money in your wallet and the keys to your car. If my advice is followed, the money is burned, and my car would be crushed and recycled. No incentive for asset forfeiture, though if they believe they have a case for an actual crime, they can still pursue it. Burn baby burn!, not to be confused with Bern, baby, Bern. Then we all have to forfeit everything. Sounds good. Let's start with your property to see how it goes. |
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Why are the two individuals in custody again?
What were they charged with? |
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What are the charges? Having money? Read the article? Money laundering. For which the evidence presented so far is driving while having alot of money in their possession. |
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Stupidity alert: They gave consent. View Quote Some people don't realize that carrying currency is a violation of law. Not that it is written down anywhere mind you. So in their case ignorance of the non law is the reason. And FWIW, I don't care if they were drug dealers with a semi truck full of cash (and no drugs). Isn't that where you are supposed to start doing cop shit like surveillance. Ya know, see where the guys with the money are going, you might be lead to something like a drug dealer, fencing ring, terrorists or something good like that. Naah, easier to just steal the money. Shameful |
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Value of Asset Forfeiture Recoveries by US Attorneys Year Asset Value Annual %Chg 1989 $285,000,039 -- 1990 451,870,952 +58.6% 1991 596,879,728 +32.1% 1992 325,786,450 -45.4% 1993 385,000,701 +18.2% 1994 418,224,247 +8.6% 1995 464,666,914 +11.1% 1996 377,527,900 -18.8% 1997 570,656,170 +51.2% 1998 280,808,572 -50.8% 1999 535,767,852 +90.8% 2000 312,676,413 -41.6% 2001(a) 199,043,103 -36.3% 2002 322,246,408 +61.9% 2003 342,862,000 +6.4% 2004 (b) 300,779,267 -12.3% 2005 313,866,115 +4.4% 2006 841,094,697 +168.0% 2007 1,323,094,697 +57.3% 2008 1,103,810,683 -16.6% 2009 1,129,381,466 +2.3% 2010 1,786,567,692 +58.2% TOTAL $12,667,612,066 +1 - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Forfeiture#sthash.rVuLbGiD.dpuf ETA: Total financing sources realized by the Fund in FY 2014 were $3,777.3 million, an increase of $1,766.0 million compared to $2,011.3 million realized in FY 2013. - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Forfeiture#sthash.rVuLbGiD.dpuf So $3 billion+ per year is what you would call "rare"? ETA2: That doesn't include state seizures. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. Asset forfeiture would make sense of it went to a crime victim restitution program, and not the government. Errrbody wants a piece of that pie so it's a lot rarer than you think. Asset forfeiture is rare? Where did you get that idea? The LA Times used to have huge ads listing the seized cars up for auction, as just one example. It's more rare than you think because it's a pain. Everyone involved wants a piece. The more players, the less money for the work. A place like LA probably has the resources to process forfeitures. Value of Asset Forfeiture Recoveries by US Attorneys Year Asset Value Annual %Chg 1989 $285,000,039 -- 1990 451,870,952 +58.6% 1991 596,879,728 +32.1% 1992 325,786,450 -45.4% 1993 385,000,701 +18.2% 1994 418,224,247 +8.6% 1995 464,666,914 +11.1% 1996 377,527,900 -18.8% 1997 570,656,170 +51.2% 1998 280,808,572 -50.8% 1999 535,767,852 +90.8% 2000 312,676,413 -41.6% 2001(a) 199,043,103 -36.3% 2002 322,246,408 +61.9% 2003 342,862,000 +6.4% 2004 (b) 300,779,267 -12.3% 2005 313,866,115 +4.4% 2006 841,094,697 +168.0% 2007 1,323,094,697 +57.3% 2008 1,103,810,683 -16.6% 2009 1,129,381,466 +2.3% 2010 1,786,567,692 +58.2% TOTAL $12,667,612,066 +1 - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Forfeiture#sthash.rVuLbGiD.dpuf ETA: Total financing sources realized by the Fund in FY 2014 were $3,777.3 million, an increase of $1,766.0 million compared to $2,011.3 million realized in FY 2013. - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Forfeiture#sthash.rVuLbGiD.dpuf So $3 billion+ per year is what you would call "rare"? ETA2: That doesn't include state seizures. OK. Well, cool then. Googling numbers is fun. |
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In the days of the olde, a highwayman pointed a firearm at you and commanded, "Stand and deliver!" (hey, learned that from Monty Python). Nowadays they're given badges and legal authority to shake down and seize from travelers.
Tourists are warned about carrying too much cash in America and it's not because of thieves but because of the cops. |
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If they get due process it isn't "unconstitutional" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. Money laundering case, forfeiture will come later. RIF. Bullshit and unconstitutional no matter what. Despite what corrupt asshole supreme court judges might "rule." If they get due process it isn't "unconstitutional" If you don't see the problem with it there is no help for you. Enjoy your servitude. |
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I remember when they swabbed money from all of the on duty LEO's at the station. 80% had drug residue as does most money in circulation. If you have cash on you, a dog should alert.
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Sparse for details. So rather than wait for them, or look for more information, lets just all assume the officers/department are crooked, right? Because it's not possible that things went down any other way.
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Florida Legislature is trying to change asset forfeiture laws to require a conviction before seizing money.
Doubt it will go far. |
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Sparse for details. So rather than wait for them, or look for more information, lets just all assume the officers/department are crooked, right? Because it's not possible that things went down any other way. View Quote There is plenty of evidence that asset forfeiture is corrupt as an entire system. Even if these particular officers aren't getting their cut, somebody close to them will. |
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Quoted: Yeah, I'm sure that $500,000 will will go to a good cause. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That 1 million will really help out the state. Fortunately the $750,000 entered into evidence will go to a broken homes charity after the trial. Yeah, let's wait and see which charity the $250,000 goes to. |
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uhm, they are sitting in jail with a bond. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes For money laundering, which means the cops don't have a goddamn clue what to really charge them with. |
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Some people don't realize that carrying currency is a violation of law. Not that it is written down anywhere mind you. So in their case ignorance of the non law is the reason. And FWIW, I don't care if they were drug dealers with a semi truck full of cash (and no drugs). Isn't that where you are supposed to start doing cop shit like surveillance. Ya know, see where the guys with the money are going, you might be lead to something like a drug dealer, fencing ring, terrorists or something good like that. Naah, easier to just steal the money. Shameful View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stupidity alert: They gave consent. Some people don't realize that carrying currency is a violation of law. Not that it is written down anywhere mind you. So in their case ignorance of the non law is the reason. And FWIW, I don't care if they were drug dealers with a semi truck full of cash (and no drugs). Isn't that where you are supposed to start doing cop shit like surveillance. Ya know, see where the guys with the money are going, you might be lead to something like a drug dealer, fencing ring, terrorists or something good like that. Naah, easier to just steal the money. Shameful OR, you take two shitbirds and put them in jail for money laundering...... I'm guessing this isn't their first run in with the law.....Federal Sentencing Guidelines up charge......"Say, boys, how would you like to see the sunshine ever again in your lifetime?.....Now, if you can maybe think of where you found this money or maybe where you were taking it....well, we can probably help you with that". That's a completely valid means of law enforcement, using leverage to make shitbirds sing. |
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For money laundering, which means the cops don't have a goddamn clue what to really charge them with. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So... No crime? Got it. uhm, they are sitting in jail with a bond. For money laundering, which means the cops don't have a goddamn clue what to really charge them with. I believe the legal offense is "having more money than the cop thought you should have." |
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. View Quote Drive a 5 million dollar car. Hmm . . . I wonder if they could seize the car on the grounds that no one should be driving such an expensive car on the highway, so they must be going to trade it for drugs? |
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OR, you take two shitbirds and put them in jail for money laundering...... I'm guessing this isn't their first run in with the law.....Federal Sentencing Guidelines up charge......"Say, boys, how would you like to see the sunshine ever again in your lifetime?.....Now, if you can maybe think of where you found this money or maybe where you were taking it....well, we can probably help you with that". That's a completely valid means of law enforcement, using leverage to make shitbirds sing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stupidity alert: They gave consent. Some people don't realize that carrying currency is a violation of law. Not that it is written down anywhere mind you. So in their case ignorance of the non law is the reason. And FWIW, I don't care if they were drug dealers with a semi truck full of cash (and no drugs). Isn't that where you are supposed to start doing cop shit like surveillance. Ya know, see where the guys with the money are going, you might be lead to something like a drug dealer, fencing ring, terrorists or something good like that. Naah, easier to just steal the money. Shameful OR, you take two shitbirds and put them in jail for money laundering...... I'm guessing this isn't their first run in with the law.....Federal Sentencing Guidelines up charge......"Say, boys, how would you like to see the sunshine ever again in your lifetime?.....Now, if you can maybe think of where you found this money or maybe where you were taking it....well, we can probably help you with that". That's a completely valid means of law enforcement, using leverage to make shitbirds sing. I am "guessing" that you are a drug dealer, too. You look like it from here. Give me your wallet and the keys to your car. |
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pretext stop and they knew the money was there from an informant?
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I am "guessing" that you are a drug dealer, too. You look like it from here. Give me your wallet and the keys to your car. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stupidity alert: They gave consent. Some people don't realize that carrying currency is a violation of law. Not that it is written down anywhere mind you. So in their case ignorance of the non law is the reason. And FWIW, I don't care if they were drug dealers with a semi truck full of cash (and no drugs). Isn't that where you are supposed to start doing cop shit like surveillance. Ya know, see where the guys with the money are going, you might be lead to something like a drug dealer, fencing ring, terrorists or something good like that. Naah, easier to just steal the money. Shameful OR, you take two shitbirds and put them in jail for money laundering...... I'm guessing this isn't their first run in with the law.....Federal Sentencing Guidelines up charge......"Say, boys, how would you like to see the sunshine ever again in your lifetime?.....Now, if you can maybe think of where you found this money or maybe where you were taking it....well, we can probably help you with that". That's a completely valid means of law enforcement, using leverage to make shitbirds sing. I am "guessing" that you are a drug dealer, too. You look like it from here. Give me your wallet and the keys to your car. Gee, here's my 1040....now fuck off. Goddamn that was hard........ I can explain where my money comes from and it's not in BALES in the back seat of my car. Common sense is truly un fucking common around here. |
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That 1 million will really help out the state. Fortunately the $750,000 entered into evidence will go to a broken homes charity after the trial. Yeah, let's wait and see which charity the $250,000 goes to. The tree-fiddy will buy a Happy Meal for an underprivileged yout. |
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Theft by robbers with badges and a probable cause machine that licks it's own balls.
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Asset forfeiture is such bullshit. If I want to drive around with 5 million dollars in my car, I should be able to do it. Money laundering case, forfeiture will come later. RIF. Bullshit and unconstitutional no matter what. Despite what corrupt asshole supreme court judges might "rule." If they get due process it isn't "unconstitutional" You've taken a strong position based on very little information. |
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Gee, here's my 1040....now fuck off. Goddamn that was hard........ I can explain where my money comes from and it's not in BALES in the back seat of my car. Common sense is truly un fucking common around here. View Quote You obviously don't understand how this works. You will get your chance to tell your story in court. Just fill out these forms and send them in. Then we will review the case and, assuming everything was filled out correctly, we will get back to you two weeks after we approve your forms with a date when you can make your initial presentation. With good work and some luck, you might be in court in three months. In the meantime, we will keep your property. Then, all you have to do is prove that the money never was involved in any crime at all. It doesn't matter whether you are innocent, really. The money is accused of being guilty. Come to think of it, maybe you better get a lawyer. You obviously don't know how this works. |
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You obviously don't understand how this works. You will get your chance to tell your story in court. Just fill out these forms and send them in. Then we will review the case and, assuming everything was filled out correctly, we will get back to you two weeks after we approve your forms with a date when you can make your initial presentation. With good work and some luck, you might be in court in three months. In the meantime, we will keep your property. Then, all you have to do is prove that the money never was involved in any crime at all. It doesn't matter whether you are innocent, really. The money is accused of being guilty. Come to think of it, maybe you better get a lawyer. You obviously don't know how this works. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Gee, here's my 1040....now fuck off. Goddamn that was hard........ I can explain where my money comes from and it's not in BALES in the back seat of my car. Common sense is truly un fucking common around here. You obviously don't understand how this works. You will get your chance to tell your story in court. Just fill out these forms and send them in. Then we will review the case and, assuming everything was filled out correctly, we will get back to you two weeks after we approve your forms with a date when you can make your initial presentation. With good work and some luck, you might be in court in three months. In the meantime, we will keep your property. Then, all you have to do is prove that the money never was involved in any crime at all. It doesn't matter whether you are innocent, really. The money is accused of being guilty. Come to think of it, maybe you better get a lawyer. You obviously don't know how this works. I understand that nobody I know or YOU know has ever driven around in a car with $1.3 million dollars in small bills they couldn't explain how the acquired. .....Not even with all the Arfcommers you know. No fucking way. Ever. |
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