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Posted: 1/4/2016 4:53:30 PM EDT
This showed up briefly on CMS.gov. Then it disappeared. (You can still find it through Google cache).
Obama administration modifies HIPAA to strengthen the firearm background check system January 4 By: Jocelyn Samuels, Director of the Office for Civil Rights, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Today the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) moved forward on commitments made by President Obama to curb gun violence across the nation. Specifically, we have modified the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule to expressly permit certain covered entities to disclose to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of those individuals who, for mental health reasons, already are prohibited by Federal law from having a firearm. Due to a history of under-reporting, the NICS has lacked complete information about all individuals who are prohibited by Federal law from possessing or receiving a firearm. The modification announced today better enables the reporting of the identities of prohibited individuals to the background check system and is an important step toward improving the public’s safety while continuing to strongly protect individuals’ privacy interests. Specifically, this final rule gives States improved flexibility to ensure accurate but limited information is reported to the NICS. The rulemaking makes clear that, under the Privacy Rule, certain covered entities are permitted to disclose limited information to the NICS. The information that can be disclosed is the minimum necessary identifying information about individuals who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution or otherwise have been determined by a lawful authority to be a danger to themselves or others or to lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs. The new modification is carefully and narrowly tailored to preserve the patient-provider relationship and ensure that individuals are not discouraged from seeking voluntary treatment. This rule applies only to a small subset of HIPAA covered entities that either make the mental health determinations that disqualify individuals from having a firearm or are designated by their States to report this information to NICS – and it allows such entities to report only limited identifying, non-clinical information to the NICS. The rule does not apply to most treating providers and does not allow reporting of diagnostic, clinical, or other mental health treatment information. It is important to note that the vast majority of Americans with mental health conditions are not violent and that those with mental illness are in fact more likely to be victims than perpetrators. An individual who seeks help for mental health problems or receives mental health treatment is not automatically legally prohibited from having a firearm; nothing in this final rule changes that. HHS continues to support efforts by the Administration to dispel negative attitudes and misconceptions relating to mental illness and to encourage individuals to seek voluntary mental health treatment. Learn more about mental health resources and recovery at http://www.mentalhealth.gov. The Final Rule is available for review at: http://www.federalregister.gov. Want to comment on this Blog? Visit our Twitter page @HHSOCR to share your thoughts and start a conversation. View Quote ETA: Here is where it was, before it was nuked |
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Obviously something that was prematurely released in advance of Our Fine Young President's upcoming anti-gun EO announcement.
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Here's the rule.
It does appear that someone published a story a wee bit early. http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201510&RIN=0945-AA05 |
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Interesting....I wonder what the rest of his "changes" are.
I guess "Shall not be Infringed" is a difficult concept. |
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Huh. Interesting. Especially since shyness is now considered a disorder.
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wonder whats thats going to do to all the PTSD claims on ETS'ing Vets..
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies. Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step. But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity.
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies. Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step. But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity. View Quote And we have to see what commensurate changes he has ordered in Obamacare regarding physicians asking probing questions about gun ownership, what medications a patient has been prescribed, etc., etc. The action with HIPAA is probably just a small part of a coordinated attack. |
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The rule does not apply to most treating providers and does not allow reporting of diagnostic, clinical, or other mental health treatment information. View Quote So I guess your doctor will NOT be turning you in. So we can stop with the monthly thread about "OMG!!! My doctor asked if I own Gunzz!11 Blade or fo? Poll inbound" |
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So I guess your doctor will NOT be turning you in. So we can stop with the monthly thread about "OMG!!! My doctor asked if I own Gunzz!11 Blade or fo? Poll inbound" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The rule does not apply to most treating providers and does not allow reporting of diagnostic, clinical, or other mental health treatment information. So I guess your doctor will NOT be turning you in. So we can stop with the monthly thread about "OMG!!! My doctor asked if I own Gunzz!11 Blade or fo? Poll inbound" ya right! like what do you know.. |
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As dirty as this is, if this is the kind of thing Obama's new round of EO's on gun control consist of, it's a win for us, and more proof that all they can do legally is nibble around the edges.
My gut feeling is that we'll see a bunch of these types of minor adjustments, and Obama will both try to make it seem bigger than it is, and try and use it to "re-launch the debate" and "shift the debate". Thing is, over the past few years, even after Sandy Hook, the debate HAS shifted. In our direction. We're now at 51%+ on key opinions on gun control, and gun bans. |
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies. Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step. But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity. View Quote Nope. The law precludes sales to people "adjudicated mentally ill," not someone who has problems and sees a shrink. If there has been an adjudication, there are records outside the medical stack to check. While I understand what you are saying, the fact is we are dealing with a President who is operating in bad faith and whose intention is to infringe our rights to the maximum extent possible. Therefore, GIVE HIM NOTHING. |
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As dirty as this is, if this is the kind of thing Obama's new round of EO's on gun control consist of, it's a win for us, and more proof that all they can do legally is nibble around the edges. My gut feeling is that we'll see a bunch of these types of minor adjustments, and Obama will both try to make it seem bigger than it is, and try and use it to "re-launch the debate" and "shift the debate". Thing is, over the past few years, even after Sandy Hook, the debate HAS shifted. In our direction. We're now at 51%+ on key opinions on gun control, and gun bans. View Quote i believe your are correct |
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies. Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step. But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity. View Quote "Common Sense" right? Who decides what "crazy and unstable" means, and what's the oversight/appeal process? This is similar to creating a "no-fly" list. |
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nothing about preventing psychotic illegal aliens crime wave against US citizens or protecting those he is sworn to?
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This is the first step on the assault on private gun ownership.
The federal government in line with the health care industry will determine the 2nd amendment right . Next step will be anyone on a any type of psych meds. Just about any med you take according to the potential side effects of dangers will be listed as being denied gun ownership . Everything from... Blood thinner drugs Cholesterol drugs Quit smoking drugs |
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I'm frustrated not to have found any others yet. Too many people are involved in the process for it to remain a secret. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting....I wonder what the rest of his "changes" are. I guess "Shall not be Infringed" is a difficult concept. I'm frustrated not to have found any others yet. Too many people are involved in the process for it to remain a secret. There really isn't much he can do tho. He was just now today meeting with the DOJ to see what he can get away with , which is jack shit. His EA will be little mean nothing things like what is in the OP and what he "did" after sandy hook. |
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"Common Sense" right? Who decides what "crazy and unstable" means, and what's the oversight/appeal process? This is similar to creating a "no-fly" list. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies. Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step. But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity. "Common Sense" right? Who decides what "crazy and unstable" means, and what's the oversight/appeal process? This is similar to creating a "no-fly" list. Marxist goal .....decide who is crazy locked up property stolen and who is sane and gets to keep their property until the state says otherwise. |
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies. Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step. But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity. View Quote Due process? 4th ammendment? |
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As dirty as this is, if this is the kind of thing Obama's new round of EO's on gun control consist of, it's a win for us, and more proof that all they can do legally is nibble around the edges. My gut feeling is that we'll see a bunch of these types of minor adjustments, and Obama will both try to make it seem bigger than it is, and try and use it to "re-launch the debate" and "shift the debate". Thing is, over the past few years, even after Sandy Hook, the debate HAS shifted. In our direction. We're now at 51%+ on key opinions on gun control, and gun bans. View Quote No my friend this is going be bad . Smart move by Obama , I got to give in that. |
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Hopefully this stops a kid from shooting his own mother to steal guns.
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It just went live on the Federal Register Public Inspection site.
https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/01/06/2015-33181/health-insurance-portability-and-accountability-act-privacy-rule-and-the-national-instant-criminal |
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It just went live on the Federal Register Public Inspection site. https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/01/06/2015-33181/health-insurance-portability-and-accountability-act-privacy-rule-and-the-national-instant-criminal View Quote someone needs to read that shit fast and report back |
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies. Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step. But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity. Due process? 4th ammendment? It almost sounds to me like they're trying to troll healthcare providers who do have records of court mandated psychiatric confinement, where the state for whatever reason doesn't feed them into NICS, deep filed them etc. Window-dressing to try and say: "We're doing the mental-health thing when it comes to guns!" when in reality they MIGHT be scraping up a few hundred people who'd have been prohibited persons since GCA '68, just that they got lucky and fell through the cracks. That some health provider has a court record in their patient record database when the state doesn't, or doesn't have it electronically because it didn't get migrated off of paper or microfiche. I also expect one of the things announced is a more thorough digging/scraping of state records for every last "domestic" they can find than what they've had to date, and stretch the Lautenberg Amendment as far as they can. Watch for scattered local news stories in a few months of LEO's and .mil people who have to quit, get discharged, or take a desk job because of it. |
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It just went live on the Federal Register Public Inspection site. https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/01/06/2015-33181/health-insurance-portability-and-accountability-act-privacy-rule-and-the-national-instant-criminal someone needs to read that shit fast and report back Apparently it's stuff that's already been in the works since the last round of EAs |
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This showed up briefly on CMS.gov. Then it disappeared. (You can still find it through Google cache). Obama administration modifies HIPAA to strengthen the firearm background check system January 4 By: Jocelyn Samuels, Director of the Office for Civil Rights, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Today the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) moved forward on commitments made by President Obama to curb gun violence across the nation. Specifically, we have modified the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule to expressly permit certain covered entities to disclose to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of those individuals who, for mental health reasons, already are prohibited by Federal law from having a firearm. Due to a history of under-reporting, the NICS has lacked complete information about all individuals who are prohibited by Federal law from possessing or receiving a firearm. The modification announced today better enables the reporting of the identities of prohibited individuals to the background check system and is an important step toward improving the public’s safety while continuing to strongly protect individuals’ privacy interests. Specifically, this final rule gives States improved flexibility to ensure accurate but limited information is reported to the NICS. The rulemaking makes clear that, under the Privacy Rule, certain covered entities are permitted to disclose limited information to the NICS. The information that can be disclosed is the minimum necessary identifying information about individuals who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution or otherwise have been determined by a lawful authority to be a danger to themselves or others or to lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs. The new modification is carefully and narrowly tailored to preserve the patient-provider relationship and ensure that individuals are not discouraged from seeking voluntary treatment. This rule applies only to a small subset of HIPAA covered entities that either make the mental health determinations that disqualify individuals from having a firearm or are designated by their States to report this information to NICS – and it allows such entities to report only limited identifying, non-clinical information to the NICS. The rule does not apply to most treating providers and does not allow reporting of diagnostic, clinical, or other mental health treatment information. It is important to note that the vast majority of Americans with mental health conditions are not violent and that those with mental illness are in fact more likely to be victims than perpetrators. An individual who seeks help for mental health problems or receives mental health treatment is not automatically legally prohibited from having a firearm; nothing in this final rule changes that. HHS continues to support efforts by the Administration to dispel negative attitudes and misconceptions relating to mental illness and to encourage individuals to seek voluntary mental health treatment. Learn more about mental health resources and recovery at http://www.mentalhealth.gov. The Final Rule is available for review at: http://www.federalregister.gov. Want to comment on this Blog? Visit our Twitter page @HHSOCR to share your thoughts and start a conversation. View Quote ETA: Here is where it was, before it was nuked View Quote Bold = I'm pretty sure thats how its supposed to work Red: you have some 'splainin to do. Also no mention of due process to have your rights restored and/or appeal. |
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It just went live on the Federal Register Public Inspection site. https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/01/06/2015-33181/health-insurance-portability-and-accountability-act-privacy-rule-and-the-national-instant-criminal View Quote Snipping from that PDF: Among the persons subject to the Federal mental health prohibitor established under the Gun Control Act of 1968 and implementing regulations issued by the Department of Justice (DOJ) are individuals who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution; found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of insanity; or otherwise have been determined by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority to be a danger to themselves or others or to lack the mental capacity to contract or manage their own affairs, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease. Under this final rule, only covered entities with lawful authority to make the adjudications or commitment decisions that make individuals subject to the Federal mental health prohibitor, or that serve as repositories of information for NICS reporting purposes, are permitted to disclose the information needed for these purposes. The disclosure is restricted to limited demographic and certain other information needed for NICS purposes. The rule specifically prohibits the disclosure of diagnostic or clinical information, from medical records or other sources, and any mental health information beyond the indication that the individual is subject to the Federal mental health prohibitor. So this would appear to maintain the VA and SS positions that if you have a third party manage your finances you "lack the mental capacity to contract or manage their own affairs" and/or are "incompetent", thus no guns for you. |
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies. Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step. But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity. Due process? 4th ammendment? I think that was sort of his point. |
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Quoted: This is the first step on the assault on private gun ownership. The federal government in line with the health care industry will determine the 2nd amendment right . Next step will be anyone on a any type of psych meds. Just about any med you take according to the potential side effects of dangers will be listed as being denied gun ownership . Everything from... Blood thinner drugs Cholesterol drugs Quit smoking drugs View Quote |
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So much for due process. Are they going to let doctors begin deciding criminal cases and prison sentences outside of a court of law or formal hearing as well?
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Huh. Interesting. Especially since shyness is now considered a disorder. View Quote So, apparently, is conservatism.... http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/04/07/treatments-for-mental-illness-republicans/ |
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I am sure no abuse of these changes will ever occur.
Also if HIPAA is law, doesn't congress need to approve changes? Stupid question, disregard. |
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