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Posted: 1/4/2016 4:53:30 PM EDT
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Obama administration modifies HIPAA to strengthen the firearm background check system

January 4

By: Jocelyn Samuels, Director of the Office for Civil Rights, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

Today the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) moved forward on commitments made by President Obama to curb gun violence across the nation.  Specifically, we have modified the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule to expressly permit certain covered entities to disclose to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of those individuals who, for mental health reasons, already are prohibited by Federal law from having a firearm.

Due to a history of under-reporting, the NICS has lacked complete information about all individuals who are prohibited by Federal law from possessing or receiving a firearm. The modification announced today better enables the reporting of the identities of prohibited individuals to the background check system and is an important step toward improving the public’s safety while continuing to strongly protect individuals’ privacy interests.

Specifically, this final rule gives States improved flexibility to ensure accurate but limited information is reported to the NICS.  The rulemaking makes clear that, under the Privacy Rule, certain covered entities are permitted to disclose limited information to the NICS.  The information that can be disclosed is the minimum necessary identifying information about individuals who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution or otherwise have been determined by a lawful authority to be a danger to themselves or others or to lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs.

The new modification is carefully and narrowly tailored to preserve the patient-provider relationship and ensure that individuals are not discouraged from seeking voluntary treatment. This rule applies only to a small subset of HIPAA covered entities that either make the mental health determinations that disqualify individuals from having a firearm or are designated by their States to report this information to NICS – and it allows such entities to report only limited identifying, non-clinical information to the NICS.

The rule does not apply to most treating providers and does not allow reporting of diagnostic, clinical, or other mental health treatment information.

It is important to note that the vast majority of Americans with mental health conditions are not violent and that those with mental illness are in fact more likely to be victims than perpetrators.  An individual who seeks help for mental health problems or receives mental health treatment is not automatically legally prohibited from having a firearm; nothing in this final rule changes that.  HHS continues to support efforts by the Administration to dispel negative attitudes and misconceptions relating to mental illness and to encourage individuals to seek voluntary mental health treatment.  Learn more about mental health resources and recovery at http://www.mentalhealth.gov.

The Final Rule is available for review at: http://www.federalregister.gov.

Want to comment on this Blog? Visit our Twitter page @HHSOCR to share your thoughts and start a conversation.
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FBHO
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It is important to note that the vast majority of Americans with mental health conditions are not violent and that those with mental illness are in fact more likely to be victims than perpetrators. An individual who seeks help for mental health problems or receives mental health treatment is not automatically legally prohibited from having a firearm; nothing in this final rule changes that. HHS continues to support efforts by the Administration to dispel negative attitudes and misconceptions relating to mental illness and to encourage individuals to seek voluntary mental health treatment. Learn more about mental health resources and recovery at http://www.mentalhealth.gov.





Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:02:37 PM EDT
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Here's the rule.

It does appear that someone published a story a wee bit early.

http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201510&RIN=0945-AA05
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:02:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:05:12 PM EDT
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Huh.  Interesting.  Especially since shyness is now considered a disorder.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:05:14 PM EDT
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Is that it?
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I'm all right, Jack!
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:08:56 PM EDT
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yet doctors , nurses and other health care workers are crucified when they violate hipaa in any way
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:09:00 PM EDT
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wonder whats thats going to do to all the PTSD claims on ETS'ing Vets..
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:09:04 PM EDT
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies.  Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step.  But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:10:10 PM EDT
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Interesting....I wonder what the rest of his "changes" are.


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I'm frustrated not to have found any others yet.

Too many people are involved in the process for it to remain a secret.
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The Obama Admin has already acted to deny firearms purchases to Vets who have delegated financial power of attorney (another name for it?) due to 'traumatic brain injury'.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:12:23 PM EDT
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Interesting....I wonder what the rest of his "changes" are.


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Probably the kind that says if you're on SS and covered under Medicare/Medicaid, you can't have guns.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:13:28 PM EDT
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And we have to see what commensurate changes he has ordered in Obamacare regarding physicians asking probing questions about gun ownership, what medications a patient has been prescribed, etc., etc.  The action with HIPAA is probably just a small part of a coordinated attack.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:14:44 PM EDT
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Only if a judge has adjudicated you mentally defective.  Otherwise you can still be bat-shit crazy and pass NICS.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:15:09 PM EDT
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So I guess your doctor will NOT be turning you in.

So we can stop with the monthly thread about "OMG!!!   My doctor asked if I own Gunzz!11  Blade or fo?  Poll inbound"
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The rule does not apply to most treating providers and does not allow reporting of diagnostic, clinical, or other mental health treatment information.


So I guess your doctor will NOT be turning you in.

So we can stop with the monthly thread about "OMG!!!   My doctor asked if I own Gunzz!11  Blade or fo?  Poll inbound"


ya right! like what do you know..

Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:16:55 PM EDT
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Nope.  The law precludes sales to people "adjudicated mentally ill," not someone who has problems and sees a shrink.  If there has been an adjudication, there are records outside the medical stack to check.  While I understand what you are saying, the fact is we are dealing with a President who is operating in bad faith and whose intention is to infringe our rights to the maximum extent possible.  Therefore, GIVE HIM NOTHING.
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As dirty as this is, if this is the kind of thing Obama's new round of EO's on gun control consist of, it's a win for us, and more proof that all they can do legally is nibble around the edges.

My gut feeling is that we'll see a bunch of these types of minor adjustments, and Obama will both try to make it seem bigger than it is, and try and use it to "re-launch the debate" and "shift the debate".

Thing is, over the past few years, even after Sandy Hook, the debate HAS shifted. In our direction. We're now at 51%+ on key opinions on gun control, and gun bans.
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i believe your are correct
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"Common Sense" right?  Who decides what "crazy and unstable" means, and what's the oversight/appeal process?

This is similar to creating a "no-fly" list.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:19:51 PM EDT
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nothing about preventing psychotic illegal aliens crime wave against US citizens or protecting those he is sworn to?
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:20:07 PM EDT
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This is the first step on the assault on private gun ownership.

The federal government in line with the health care industry will determine the  2nd amendment right .

Next step will be anyone on a any type of psych meds.

Just about any med you take according to the potential side effects of dangers will be listed as being denied gun ownership .

Everything from...
Blood thinner drugs
Cholesterol drugs
Quit smoking drugs
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:20:29 PM EDT
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I'm frustrated not to have found any others yet.

Too many people are involved in the process for it to remain a secret.
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Interesting....I wonder what the rest of his "changes" are.


I guess "Shall not be Infringed" is a difficult concept.


I'm frustrated not to have found any others yet.

Too many people are involved in the process for it to remain a secret.


There really isn't much he can do tho. He was just now today meeting with the DOJ to see what he can get away with , which is jack shit. His EA will be little mean nothing things like what is in the OP and what he "did" after sandy hook.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:20:36 PM EDT
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"Common Sense" right?  Who decides what "crazy and unstable" means, and what's the oversight/appeal process?

This is similar to creating a "no-fly" list.
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies.  Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step.  But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity.


"Common Sense" right?  Who decides what "crazy and unstable" means, and what's the oversight/appeal process?

This is similar to creating a "no-fly" list.


Marxist goal .....decide who is crazy locked up property stolen and who is sane and gets to keep their property until the state says otherwise.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:21:36 PM EDT
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies.  Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step.  But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity.
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Due process?
4th ammendment?
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:22:43 PM EDT
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As dirty as this is, if this is the kind of thing Obama's new round of EO's on gun control consist of, it's a win for us, and more proof that all they can do legally is nibble around the edges.

My gut feeling is that we'll see a bunch of these types of minor adjustments, and Obama will both try to make it seem bigger than it is, and try and use it to "re-launch the debate" and "shift the debate".

Thing is, over the past few years, even after Sandy Hook, the debate HAS shifted. In our direction. We're now at 51%+ on key opinions on gun control, and gun bans.
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No my friend this is going be bad .

Smart move by Obama , I got to give in that.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:22:52 PM EDT
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Hopefully this stops a kid from shooting his own mother to steal guns.
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someone needs to read that shit fast and report back
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:27:35 PM EDT
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Obamacare is about control of more than insurance...


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FBHO
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someone needs to read that shit fast and report back
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someone needs to read that shit fast and report back



Apparently it's stuff that's already been in the works since the last round of EAs
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:31:44 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:32:02 PM EDT
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This showed up briefly on CMS.gov. Then it disappeared. (You can still find it through Google cache).


Obama administration modifies HIPAA to strengthen the firearm background check system

January 4

By: Jocelyn Samuels, Director of the Office for Civil Rights, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

Today the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) moved forward on commitments made by President Obama to curb gun violence across the nation.  Specifically, we have modified the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule to expressly permit certain covered entities to disclose to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of those individuals who, for mental health reasons, already are prohibited by Federal law from having a firearm.

Due to a history of under-reporting, the NICS has lacked complete information about all individuals who are prohibited by Federal law from possessing or receiving a firearm. The modification announced today better enables the reporting of the identities of prohibited individuals to the background check system and is an important step toward improving the public’s safety while continuing to strongly protect individuals’ privacy interests.

Specifically, this final rule gives States improved flexibility to ensure accurate but limited information is reported to the NICS.  The rulemaking makes clear that, under the Privacy Rule, certain covered entities are permitted to disclose limited information to the NICS.  The information that can be disclosed is the minimum necessary identifying information about individuals who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution or otherwise have been determined by a lawful authority to be a danger to themselves or others or to lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs.

The new modification is carefully and narrowly tailored to preserve the patient-provider relationship and ensure that individuals are not discouraged from seeking voluntary treatment. This rule applies only to a small subset of HIPAA covered entities that either make the mental health determinations that disqualify individuals from having a firearm or are designated by their States to report this information to NICS – and it allows such entities to report only limited identifying, non-clinical information to the NICS.

The rule does not apply to most treating providers and does not allow reporting of diagnostic, clinical, or other mental health treatment information.

It is important to note that the vast majority of Americans with mental health conditions are not violent and that those with mental illness are in fact more likely to be victims than perpetrators.  An individual who seeks help for mental health problems or receives mental health treatment is not automatically legally prohibited from having a firearm; nothing in this final rule changes that.  HHS continues to support efforts by the Administration to dispel negative attitudes and misconceptions relating to mental illness and to encourage individuals to seek voluntary mental health treatment.  Learn more about mental health resources and recovery at http://www.mentalhealth.gov.

The Final Rule is available for review at: http://www.federalregister.gov.

Want to comment on this Blog? Visit our Twitter page @HHSOCR to share your thoughts and start a conversation.
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Bold = I'm pretty sure thats how its supposed to work

Red: you have some 'splainin to do.

Also no mention of due process to have your rights restored and/or appeal.
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Snipping from that PDF:

Among the persons
subject to the Federal mental health prohibitor established under the Gun Control Act of
1968 and implementing regulations issued by the Department of Justice (DOJ) are
individuals who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution; found
incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of insanity; or otherwise have been
determined by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority to be a danger to
themselves or others or to lack the mental capacity to contract or manage their own
affairs, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence or mental illness, incompetency,
condition, or disease.
Under this final rule, only covered entities with lawful authority to
make the adjudications or commitment decisions that make individuals subject to the
Federal mental health prohibitor, or that serve as repositories of information for NICS
reporting purposes, are permitted to disclose the information needed for these purposes.
The disclosure is restricted to limited demographic and certain other information needed
for NICS purposes. The rule specifically prohibits the disclosure of diagnostic or clinical
information, from medical records or other sources, and any mental health information
beyond the indication that the individual is subject to the Federal mental health
prohibitor.



So this would appear to maintain the VA and SS positions that if you have a third party manage your finances you "lack the mental capacity to contract or manage their own
affairs" and/or are "incompetent", thus no guns for you.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:33:41 PM EDT
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Due process?
4th ammendment?
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Well NICS is SUPPOSED to preclude sales to the crazies.  Modifying HIPAA to make reporting psychosis mandatory wouldn't be a bad step.  But then again communist regimes used to pack political prisoners off to the gulag with a superficial finding of insanity.


Due process?
4th ammendment?


I think that was sort of his point.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:36:20 PM EDT
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This is the first step on the assault on private gun ownership.



The federal government in line with the health care industry will determine the  2nd amendment right .



Next step will be anyone on a any type of psych meds.



Just about any med you take according to the potential side effects of dangers will be listed as being denied gun ownership .



Everything from...

Blood thinner drugs

Cholesterol drugs

Quit smoking drugs

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A lot of people will proclaim you to be out of your mind for posting that...I'm not one of them.  Once that genie is out of the bottle, it's going to make the "interstate commerce" abuses seem tame.  And what isn't common knowledge is that those records (especially for the military) go back over 15 years in electronic form.



 
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:37:59 PM EDT
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So much for due process.  Are they going to let doctors begin deciding criminal cases and prison sentences outside of a court of law or formal hearing as well?

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So, apparently, is conservatism....

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/04/07/treatments-for-mental-illness-republicans/
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:42:06 PM EDT
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Learn how to lie.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:42:15 PM EDT
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I am sure no abuse of these changes will ever occur.

Also if HIPAA is law, doesn't congress need to approve changes?  Stupid question, disregard.
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I know that.
I would think that most people would know that since it was discussed in 2013 right here on ARFcom.
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