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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:24:31 PM EDT
[#1]
Anything for real yet?
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:25:10 PM EDT
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Not sure where I sit on this. Not cool of Turkey, but kinda laughing at the Russians.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:26:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Article is BS. There is a Russian cargo ship passing through the Straight of Bosphorus as of a few minutes ago, according to the live map. Quote HistoryQuoted: Article is BS. There is a Russian cargo ship passing through the Straight of Bosphorus as of a few minutes ago, according to the live map. ^this. But Arfcom doesn't care. When Alex Jones says there's gonna be a showdown, that's all that matters. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:26:30 PM EDT
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The less potent Article 4, which merely invokes consultation among NATO members, has been invoked five times: by Turkey in 2003 over the Iraq War; twice in 2012 by Turkey over the Syrian Civil War, after the downing of an unarmed Turkish F-4 reconnaissance jet, and after a mortar was fired at Turkey from Syria; in 2014 by Poland, following the Russian intervention in Crimea; and again by Turkey in 2015 after threats by the Islamic State to its territorial integrity. Hmmm. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:26:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:27:25 PM EDT
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Any credible sources yet?
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:27:31 PM EDT
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Turkey has a navy? Don't need one, from the coast of the Dardanelles you could use a sniper rifle to shoot the people aboard the ships travelling in the middle of the strait and it would be an easy shot. Its not very wide, its surrounded by high rocky ground . Too easy to defend, just ask Great Britain. 
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:29:01 PM EDT
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I hope Putin nukes that shithole Turkey into the Stone Age! Fuck Turkey, UN, and NATO!
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:29:16 PM EDT
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Christmas has come early?
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:33:16 PM EDT
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I'm going with "bullshit" until proven otherwise.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:33:37 PM EDT
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The news services are amazingly quiet for such an earth shattering event.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:33:42 PM EDT
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I'm going with "bullshit" until proven otherwise. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:34:02 PM EDT
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Not sure where I sit on this. Not cool of Turkey, but kinda laughing at the Russians. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:34:32 PM EDT
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Sick and tired of Turkey. Same here but I'm still into the ham! 
As for the rest, let's see if it's real. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:35:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:35:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm. Quote HistoryQuoted: The less potent Article 4, which merely invokes consultation among NATO members, has been invoked five times: by Turkey in 2003 over the Iraq War; twice in 2012 by Turkey over the Syrian Civil War, after the downing of an unarmed Turkish F-4 reconnaissance jet, and after a mortar was fired at Turkey from Syria; in 2014 by Poland, following the Russian intervention in Crimea; and again by Turkey in 2015 after threats by the Islamic State to its territorial integrity. Hmmm. Turkey's been in the political suck since the 1950s. Most people don't know that Kennedy's Cuban missile crisis resulted (indirectly) from the USA's nuclear missiles in Turkey. The Cuban missile crisis was resolved when Kennedy caved to Russia's demands, and agreed to remove the missiles from Turkey. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:37:29 PM EDT
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This was posted back in 2014 about the Ukraine situation.
In a separate announcement, Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ahmet Davutoglu, said Moscow was pursing "self-willed policy” in the region and urged Russia to respect the territorial integrity of its neighboring countries. "The security of Tatars is the main strategic priority for Turkey,” he remarked. "Pandora’s box should not be opened. If you create a de facto situation in Ukraine, this will have a domino effect on all the countries in the Eurasia region,” Davutoglu said in televised remarks made the day of the Russian implemented referendum. While the sea-port of Sevastopol has been lauded for its strategic importance as the only warm water port in the Black Sea Russia controls, restriction to it would be a self-made prison. Russian activity in the eastern basin of the Mediterranean is dependent on this passage to Crimea, and restriction would cut off arms shipments between Russia and the Syrian port in Tartus, as as well as lucrative arms deals with Egypt. http://ukrainianpolicy.com/turkey-warns-russia-it-will-blockade-bosphorus/  |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:38:26 PM EDT
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Stop linking to shitty websites, OP.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:38:44 PM EDT
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Who is Obama going to apologize first to is the real question.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:38:46 PM EDT
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I call bullshit. No pmag popping... The guys in the ARFCOM survival sub-forum are not bugging out.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:38:57 PM EDT
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I'm going with "bullshit" until proven otherwise. You look at my link up there with real time ship tracks?^^^ |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:39:39 PM EDT
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It's going to get interesting soon if that's true.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:40:09 PM EDT
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Turkey has a navy? Turkey doesn't need a navy to fuck up shit going through the Dardanelles. You can ask Churchill and the ANZACS about that one. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:40:24 PM EDT
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Ask Churchill if Turkey needs one to keep the Russians bottled up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Turkey has a navy? Ask Churchill if Turkey needs one to keep the Russians bottled up. Well played sir, well played. I award you one historical geopolitical point. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:42:14 PM EDT
[#25]
Oh goddammit, it's that Superstation 95 bullshit again.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:44:29 PM EDT
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Stop linking to shitty websites, OP. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:44:38 PM EDT
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Don't need one, from the coast of the Dardanelles you could use a sniper rifle to shoot the people aboard the ships travelling in the middle of the strait and it would be an easy shot. Its not very wide, its surrounded by high rocky ground . Too easy to defend, just ask Great Britain. https://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/moseley/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2015/05/Dardanelles1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Turkey has a navy? Don't need one, from the coast of the Dardanelles you could use a sniper rifle to shoot the people aboard the ships travelling in the middle of the strait and it would be an easy shot. Its not very wide, its surrounded by high rocky ground . Too easy to defend, just ask Great Britain. https://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/moseley/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2015/05/Dardanelles1.jpg Found this cool drawing researching the British action there during WW1 
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:44:51 PM EDT
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wasn't free international transit through the Dardanelles and the Bosporus part of the treaties that ended the first world war when the Turks surrendered? I know it was one of Wilson's 14 points. It was from 1936, but even so, like all international law, its meaningless unless the signatories don't enforce our provisions. Technically, we would have to side with Turkey as the current treaty allows them to close it in the event of war. But I doubt Obama is willing to get involved in this one way or another, he's got one year left and wont risk attaching himself to a war, not when he is trying to make his legacy about global warming bullshit, distancing himself from the Middle East as much as possible. So Turkey might actually catch an invasion over this. Its absolutely impossible for Russia to not act, Putin has to or he loses face. If this article is true, he will see it as cause for war against Turkey. I do wonder what the Turk regime is thinking, they are acting pretty irrational lately, almost like they are purposely picking a fight with Russia. They are majority Sunni, they don't recognize the Kurds, so it makes somewhat sense that they wouldn't risk pissing off Sunni's by siding against them, even their most radical elements, for fear of ISIS turning the war north into ripe Sunni territory. They are kind of stuck supporting ISIS...its going to bite them in the ass though. Coup time is a-coming. For all you pessimists looking to press the reset button, Turkey has an American air base on it, with scores of nukes. If that gets attacked by the Russians, it'll likely go nuclear. 
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:46:22 PM EDT
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Yeah, once a year is enough for me.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sick and tired of Turkey. Yeah, once a year is enough for me. I do believe Turkey will getting served all through December and into January. 
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:47:34 PM EDT
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Turkey has a navy? A better Navy than Russia's actually. By a long shot. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:48:22 PM EDT
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It was from 1936, but even so, like all international law, its meaningless unless the signatories don't enforce our provisions. Technically, we would have to side with Turkey as the current treaty allows them to close it in the event of war. But I doubt Obama is willing to get involved in this one way or another, he's got one year left and wont risk attaching himself to a war, not when he is trying to make his legacy about global warming bullshit, distancing himself from the Middle East as much as possible. So Turkey might actually catch an invasion over this. Its absolutely impossible for Russia to not act, Putin has to or he loses face. If this article is true, he will see it as cause for war against Turkey. I do wonder what the Turk regime is thinking, they are acting pretty irrational lately, almost like they are purposely picking a fight with Russia. They are majority Sunni, they don't recognize the Kurds, so it makes somewhat sense that they wouldn't risk pissing off Sunni's by siding against them, even their most radical elements, for fear of ISIS turning the war north into ripe Sunni territory. They are kind of stuck supporting ISIS...its going to bite them in the ass though. Coup time is a-coming. For all you pessimists looking to press the reset button, Turkey has an American air base on it, with scores of nukes. If that gets attacked by the Russians, it'll likely go nuclear.
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wasn't free international transit through the Dardanelles and the Bosporus part of the treaties that ended the first world war when the Turks surrendered? I know it was one of Wilson's 14 points. It was from 1936, but even so, like all international law, its meaningless unless the signatories don't enforce our provisions. Technically, we would have to side with Turkey as the current treaty allows them to close it in the event of war. But I doubt Obama is willing to get involved in this one way or another, he's got one year left and wont risk attaching himself to a war, not when he is trying to make his legacy about global warming bullshit, distancing himself from the Middle East as much as possible. So Turkey might actually catch an invasion over this. Its absolutely impossible for Russia to not act, Putin has to or he loses face. If this article is true, he will see it as cause for war against Turkey. I do wonder what the Turk regime is thinking, they are acting pretty irrational lately, almost like they are purposely picking a fight with Russia. They are majority Sunni, they don't recognize the Kurds, so it makes somewhat sense that they wouldn't risk pissing off Sunni's by siding against them, even their most radical elements, for fear of ISIS turning the war north into ripe Sunni territory. They are kind of stuck supporting ISIS...its going to bite them in the ass though. Coup time is a-coming. For all you pessimists looking to press the reset button, Turkey has an American air base on it, with scores of nukes. If that gets attacked by the Russians, it'll likely go nuclear.
     
Sorry, been on here too much. 
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:49:54 PM EDT
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If so that has to be one of the dumbest moves ever in recent history.
Russia is looking for an excuse to go all nationalist on someone they "know" they can beat. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:50:01 PM EDT
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Talk about poking a bear! The Russian Bear could squash Turkey in one blow, so they are being awfully foolish to play with fire like this. Lol |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:50:30 PM EDT
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Talk about poking a bear! The Russian Bear could squash Turkey in one blow, so they are being awfully foolish to play with fire like this. No. Turkey has a decent military. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:50:31 PM EDT
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In for more infomation.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:51:22 PM EDT
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So, does this mean that Ann Margret's NOT coming?
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:51:38 PM EDT
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Fake
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:51:42 PM EDT
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So, how's that going? Are they starting the real anthropogenic global warming yet?
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:52:25 PM EDT
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If so that has to be one of the dumbest moves ever in recent history. Russia is looking for an excuse to go all nationalist on someone they know they can beat. What makes you think they could smash Turkey, especially considering how the Ukraine has gone? |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:54:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The news services are amazingly quiet for such an earth shattering event. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fake They won't listen. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:55:46 PM EDT
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Meh. Turkey is showing its true colors as an isis supporter. Surprise? No. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:57:24 PM EDT
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uh, there seem to be Russian flagged shipping in the Bosphorus strait Right now.
Did you know that AIS is public, and you can view it yourself pretty much in real time Right Here |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:58:14 PM EDT
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uh, there seem to be Russian flagged shipping in the Bosphorus strait Right now. Did you know that AIS is public, and you can view it yourself pretty much in real time Right Here Shhhhhh! I want to watch the SHTF circle jerk.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:59:01 PM EDT
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That main stream press, always covering these things up Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The news services are amazingly quiet for such an earth shattering event. It's still Thanksgiving holiday. The MSM sucks for news on holidays. The media feeding frenzy on Colorado will begin full force on Monday. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:59:13 PM EDT
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I seriously doubt this is true. Even if it is true I can't believe that we would let a puffed up terrorist supporter that conned their way into NATO drag us into a shooting war with the Russians. Turkey didn't "con its way into NATO". Russia has been playing fuck-fuck games with Turkey since WWI, particularly about the Straits, and ratcheted it up right after WWII. They were inducted to NATO as part of Truman's Containment policy. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 11:00:06 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 11/29/2015 11:03:52 PM EDT
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Loool Infowars? Debkafile? Some other site I've personally never heard of, but I'll file under "Bullshit for $100 Alex"
Jesus tap-dancing christ.... Tighten up GD.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 11:05:45 PM EDT
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Hopefully NATO wises up and says fuck Turkey. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The opening volley of ww3. Hopefully NATO wises up and says fuck Turkey. Correct, *if* this is in fact true. Given its not breaking news on credible sites makes me think otherwise. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 11:06:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I seriously doubt this is true. Even if it is true I can't believe that we would let a puffed up terrorist supporter that conned their way into NATO drag us into a shooting war with the Russians. No one though the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand would lead to WWI either. It started things slowly moving and by the time people were aware they were heading to war, inertia made it almost impossible to stop. I'm hoping this is just more infowars bullshit. If it is true, we're headed for interesting times. |
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