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Posted: 11/29/2015 2:43:09 AM EDT
So I had a set of Hedman Hedders sitting around. I priced them at 400$.
I posted them on CL and Facebook.







Guy messages me and offers this gun plus 200 rounds of 303 and 100$







Pictures of what I traded for..


It needs some work I think.


How did I do?


Anyone care to tell me about it or give me direction on how to find out more info.
































 
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 2:58:33 AM EDT
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Why do people do that?

See how it shoots. Fast action.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 2:59:10 AM EDT
[#2]
Barrel looks to be uncut, but the rear sight is missing. Also that scope mount looks goober'd
It's not really worth returning to military dress.

Gun $150
Cash $100
Ammo $75

I'd take off the mount and replace the rear sight, then do this.

Link Posted: 11/29/2015 3:02:18 AM EDT
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That poor rifle. That said, if it shoots well it's still a good rifle just not what it should be. If the ammo is reloadable and the rifle shoots well  I'd say you did fair at worst.
ETA-I've actually been looking for an Enfield like that for a custom project. Originality already ruined so I don't have to feel bad about it. Further customizing might be something to consider. You already have the rifle, turn it into something you want.

Bare minimum for me would be a refinish. Take your pick of methods, a .303 is too good a rifle to be in that kind of cosmetic condition.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 3:06:08 AM EDT
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That poor rifle. That said, if it shoots well it's still a good rifle just not what it should be. If the ammo is reloadable and the rifle shoots well  I'd say you did fair at worst.
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This,if it goes bang and the rounds are on paper at 100 you did ok .
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 3:19:46 AM EDT
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Counting the cash, that's about $200 dollars worth of trade in my part of the country.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 3:30:20 AM EDT
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I've been looking for a similarly fucked Lee to do a decent sporterization on.
I would replace the stock and scope, consider trimming the barrel since the metal is already altered, and make a decent hunting rifle with it. Or you could get a De Lisle repro made on it.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 3:32:18 AM EDT
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It is not uncommon to see that. Years ago they were inexpensive surplus and no one gave a second thought to sporterizing surplus rifles. My first hunting rifle was a sporterized Enfield that I paid 69 dollars for. It was accurate but heavy as hell.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 4:10:47 AM EDT
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My family has a few of those in nearly the exact shape. We use them for loaners for deer season. Good shooters, heavy and ugly but good shooters nonetheless.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 4:14:01 AM EDT
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You chose poorly.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 7:40:24 AM EDT
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Go up to the border and ask the border guard for your honorary toque. You can also start saying "eh" now that you have provisional Canadian status. All you have to do is a shoot a moose with it and you get a passport.

Forty years ago, that was one of the most popular hunting rifles in Canada.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 7:43:21 AM EDT
[#11]
You got hosed.






Sorry, man.










That gun has been molested.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 8:37:23 AM EDT
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Ah, the ole bubba'd SMLE. Mine looked very similar when I got it, but they left the barrel band on the stock that has the front sling mount, and it had a shitty air soft reflex sight on it.

This is it:


There is a Monte Carlo style synthetic stock made for the SMLE, and a no drill scope mount from a guy in Canada, which is what I did:


As for price, I paid 135 for mine, and probably paid too much. The ammo is around .50/ round when you can find it. You probably didn't come out on top in this transaction, but you might not have gotten totally hosed.

Also, you're going to want to get the headspace checked or get a gauge before you shoot it, the enfield locks the bolt at the bolt handle/ rear of the bolt and basically gets shorter over time. You'll notice a drawn section in the brass just ahead of the rim if there is close to excessive headspace.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 8:45:45 AM EDT
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Congratulations. You traded for a piece of shit.


Link Posted: 11/29/2015 8:48:17 AM EDT
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If it shoot decent it will make a good hunting rifle.  I know a guy who has been hunting for 25 years with a sporterized enfield.  He's culled over 60 deer and hundreds of hogs with it.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 8:49:02 AM EDT
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That poor rifle
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 8:51:31 AM EDT
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I shot my first dozen or so deer with a 303 that was sporterized in the 60s or 70s.

Killed my first dozen or so deer with it growing up.

My only gripe about it is that the trigger is heavy, which I suppose could be tuned up.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 9:30:21 AM EDT
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That No. 4 Mk. II might be a good candidate for restoration. I couldn't tell from the pictures if the muzzle has been chopped. Do the numbers on the bolt and the receiver match? Also, I couldn't tell if the scope mount uses the existing holes in the receiver, or if new holes were drilled. These would all be critical factors in the decision to restore.

Anyway, NOS military wood is available on ebay. You'll need a complete set of wood, plus the related fittings (buttplate, bands, etc.). All available for a price. Installing new wood on an Enfield is a little tricky. You have to know what you are doing -- it's not a simple drop-in.

A restoration would not make economic sense. It would be more like a labor of love. I would do it, but then that's just me.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 9:45:03 AM EDT
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Looks like the other guy made out like a bandit...
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 9:49:50 AM EDT
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I had a similar reaction when I found this at a local pawn shop...








Bubba cut the rear sight tabs off...






Drilled the receiver...






And chopped the barrel...






It almost brought me to tears.

I did buy it for $100 since it's the "unicorn" of Enfields, so incredibly rare.

I had never held one before and wanted it to live its future days with its kin.









Link Posted: 11/29/2015 9:51:13 AM EDT
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That's being gracious.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:05:35 AM EDT
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You fucked yourself on that deal. Meh, it happens.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:07:38 AM EDT
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Depending on what the ammo is, and depending on what the bore looks like, you essentially paid about $200 for a badly-sporterized Enfield. Not a bargain, but on the other hand, what can you buy for $200 these days? A pair of sneakers?

If the ammo is corrosive, be sure to clean the bore with lots of boiling water immediately after every shooting session. Solvents and oils alone will neither remove primer salts nor prevent corrosion in their presence.

It's not economically feasible to restore this rifle, especially since the receiver has been drilled and tapped. Wood, fittings, buttplate, rear sight, etc. will add up very quickly. The postage alone for everything you'd need would be a deal-breaker, since you probably would have to get them from a variety of sources.

At least one post above refers to this as an SMLE. It is not. It's a completely different rifle, the follow-on No. 4. If it was indeed made in 1953, it's a Mk 2, but it looks earlier to me.

It's best use is probably as a "loaner" or a "rain gun" for deer season.

Enjoy the history of it. It was the last of the wood-and-steel battle rifles. Machined forgings instead of stampings. A rimmed case that was originally loaded with black powder. Even the sporterizing job is part of its history. And if you want a project, you could clean it up considerably.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:10:39 AM EDT
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I had a similar reaction when I found this at a local pawn shop...

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg316/buckmaw_1/smleV_zpsfa7dbee3.jpg?1448804330177&1448804339482&1448804356375&1448804369359


Bubba cut the rear sight tabs off...
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg316/buckmaw_1/smleV3_zpsbd71c6ac.jpg?1448804330178&1448804339482&1448804356375&1448804369359


Drilled the receiver...
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg316/buckmaw_1/smleV2_zps8d9c89df.jpg?1448804330177&1448804339482&1448804356375&1448804369359


And chopped the barrel...
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg316/buckmaw_1/smleV1_zps2aa3c348.jpg?1448804330177&1448804339482&1448804356375&1448804369359


It almost brought me to tears.
I did buy it for $100 since it's the "unicorn" of Enfields, so incredibly rare.
I had never held one before and wanted it to live its future days with its kin.






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Don't the Mk V's have a unique rear aperture site? Has it been removed on yours? Can't really tell from the pics.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:11:59 AM EDT
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You got a mangled No. 4 Mk. 1/2. It probably shoots pretty well. Keep it as a beater gun.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:12:45 AM EDT
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Don't the Mk V's have a unique rear aperture site? Has it been removed on yours? Can't really tell from the pics.
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Yes. It's gone. The Mk. V rear sight is very fragile and easily broken, as well.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:14:31 AM EDT
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If the barrel hasn't been messed with you could do a Mk1T semi clone.

You would need all the wood, barrel bands, and front/rear sight assembly.  Leave the cheesy mount on if it's solid and find a period scope.  It won't be cheap, but it'll be better than that ugly thing.  I did this a couple years ago with a 98K I picked up for $100 in similar condition.   I found a replacement stock, bands, sights, bolt body, better two piece leupold mounts, and a Weaver K4 60b fixed power scope (period correct).  It looks like a 98k Sniper from 10' plus I can take it in the woods no matter what the weather is doing and not care.

Finished product:



Real Deal:





No4Mk1T:



It wont be cheap (mine wasnt) but I'm very happy with the way it turned out.  I've been eyeball fucking .308 barrels for my 98K recently...
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:14:47 AM EDT
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I had a similar reaction when I found this at a local pawn shop...



http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg316/buckmaw_1/smleV_zpsfa7dbee3.jpg?1448804330177&1448804339482&1448804356375&1448804369359





Bubba cut the rear sight tabs off...

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg316/buckmaw_1/smleV3_zpsbd71c6ac.jpg?1448804330178&1448804339482&1448804356375&1448804369359





Drilled the receiver...

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg316/buckmaw_1/smleV2_zps8d9c89df.jpg?1448804330177&1448804339482&1448804356375&1448804369359





And chopped the barrel...

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg316/buckmaw_1/smleV1_zps2aa3c348.jpg?1448804330177&1448804339482&1448804356375&1448804369359





It almost brought me to tears.

I did buy it for $100 since it's the "unicorn" of Enfields, so incredibly rare.

I had never held one before and wanted it to live its future days with its kin.
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Mk Vs are hotness.  It's painful to see a Bubba Mk V.






Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:16:51 AM EDT
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Philips scews on a Lee-Enfield.  Oh the humanity!  
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:47:34 AM EDT
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OP, NOS stock sets for the No 4 Mk II can be found in England on Ebay at decent prices, say $125.00 or so.

The hardware you can buy from Springfield Sporters.

If that rifle were mine, I'd bead blast, park, and "stove" it (black lacquer, or some other type of durable black paint over parkerizing).

No fixing the holes on the side of the receiver (well, they *can* be fixed, but probably not economically), but at least it wouldn't look as bad as it does now.

Shoot it first, and see if she's even a candidate for partial restoration.
Link Posted: 11/29/2015 10:48:20 AM EDT
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Thanks for the suggestions.
I traded for this figuring it would be project.

The headers were not worth that much to me. I have had them for sale for months. They were just plane janes. They were slightly used anyways. So 400$ may of been a bit much of a asking price.




I have been doing a little research and I do feel bad for this rifle. It has not been chopped it's just be slightly bubbized.




I have put a few rounds through it. 3 to be exact and all seems ok. I wasn't aiming just seeing if it would fire.
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 11:45:22 AM EDT
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There is a Monte Carlo style synthetic stock made for the SMLE, and a no drill scope mount from a guy in Canada, which is what I did:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj151/bryanjstrong/guns/CFC569CD-9C1E-4F07-A830-6C6DC7896ECD-5751-000013211CB75FD9.jpg

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Damn I like the way this looks.

 



I like the wood look as well.




The 40$ price difference doesnt bother me for the wood but the synthetic stock looks darn good too.

So many directions.
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 12:34:29 PM EDT
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What kind of ammo did you get?
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 2:08:53 PM EDT
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180 of the rounds are Remington UMC Military Core-Lokt
The other 20 are PPU.



Link Posted: 11/30/2015 2:19:32 PM EDT
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180 of the rounds are Remington UMC Military Core-LoktThe other 20 are PPU.
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What kind of ammo did you get?
180 of the rounds are Remington UMC Military Core-LoktThe other 20 are PPU.

All non corrosive, and the soft points sweeten the deal a little more.
The Remington ammo retails for $37 a box, so that is not a terrible deal.
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 2:23:29 PM EDT
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It is not uncommon to see that. Years ago they were inexpensive surplus and no one gave a second thought to sporterizing surplus rifles. My first hunting rifle was a sporterized Enfield that I paid 69 dollars for. It was accurate but heavy as hell.
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Why do people do that?

See how it shoots. Fast action.


It is not uncommon to see that. Years ago they were inexpensive surplus and no one gave a second thought to sporterizing surplus rifles. My first hunting rifle was a sporterized Enfield that I paid 69 dollars for. It was accurate but heavy as hell.



This..... I Picked up a Bunch of Bubba'ed M-98's over the years...most were salvageable, only one was just FUBAR.....if it had one, it had about 15 holes drilled for scope mounts ALL over the place....  Waffenfabrik marked too
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 2:32:29 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/30/2015 2:40:20 PM EDT
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Bubba'd.

Might as well put some tapco on it and move into a trailer.
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 2:49:30 PM EDT
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Save that brass. Before you fire those rounds they say to use an o-ring around the base. Some interesting stuff here. http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=1154&page=3
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 7:18:54 PM EDT
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Sadly it'll cost you more than it will be worth to restore it I think.  

Last I knew welding up stupid holes was about $15-20 each.  the stock set will cost $100 easy for anything of sound quality.  Then you have the missing parts.

Personally I would have passed on that offer unless the heads were warped.
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 7:21:04 PM EDT
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What kind of ammo did you get?
180 of the rounds are Remington UMC Military Core-LoktThe other 20 are PPU.





I just looked it up. Thats like $300 worth of just ammo.
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 7:34:39 PM EDT
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My poor bubba'd Jungle Carbine. My grandfather had it done to her in the 60s as a deer gun then never went hunting...





No idea what mount, shitty tasco scope, the works. I'll fix her up soon

















The part that made me almost get dusty?  The bastard "gunsmith" (not my grandfather) ground the rear sight and feed ramps clean off...







 
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 7:36:37 PM EDT
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I'd take off the mount and replace the rear sight, then do this.

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This I love tastefully bubba'd milsurps
Link Posted: 11/30/2015 8:37:24 PM EDT
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I just looked it up. Thats like $300 worth of just ammo.
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180 of the rounds are Remington UMC Military Core-LoktThe other 20 are PPU.





I just looked it up. Thats like $300 worth of just ammo.

Yep, that's why I didn't talk about value so much as the merits of the rifle as a project-either to restore or to build into a more tasteful sporterizing job.Between the ammo and cash, OP is close to asking price on the parts, and the rifle is gravy.
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Looks like a Mk. 2 to me, as all the Mk. 1/2s I've seen (including mine) have a wood filler for the screw in the fore end, and not just the screw. I suppose the fore end could have been replaced...

But you certainly know better, so educate me!
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You got a mangled No. 4 Mk. 1/2. It probably shoots pretty well. Keep it as a beater gun.


Looks like a Mk. 2 to me, as all the Mk. 1/2s I've seen (including mine) have a wood filler for the screw in the fore end, and not just the screw. I suppose the fore end could have been replaced...

But you certainly know better, so educate me!


Serial number on the wrist marks this one as having originally been a Mk. I. Lots of the 1/2s picked up Mk. 2 wood somewhere along the way.

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Link Posted: 12/1/2015 3:09:32 PM EDT
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I understand wanting to mount optics but why do people cut down the stock at the front?
Military rifles that are meant to have a a full length stock look so much better with one.
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Weight savings and free floating (properly done) are considered good things in a hunting rifle.
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