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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:12:45 PM EDT
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I know a marine was saved by his helmet after getting shot by a sniper.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:16:19 PM EDT
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it only needs to once
I would guess at least weekly during some times of Iraq and Afghanistan |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:19:59 PM EDT
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives
but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:22:18 PM EDT
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK By... saving their life. 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:22:39 PM EDT
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I know a marine was saved by his helmet after getting shot by a sniper. Well, it must have been a deflection. WIth the size of the helmets, it may have been a miss had he not been wearing one
Good friends truck was hit with an IED. The claim was the vests saved them from the chest injuries caused by the blast and shrapnel. Another friend had pics of his plate with shrapnel embedded in it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:22:53 PM EDT
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I've seen at least one guy saved by his SAAPI plates, but it was from friendly fire out of a SAW.
He was still jacked up badly, and was done after that. Rounds skipped off and destroyed his arm, after going through a wall in OIF. Another in my Battalion found an AK projo in his assault pack after breaking contact from Fedayeen, and he was wearing his Interceptor. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:24:09 PM EDT
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The body armour is cheaper than the helicopter ride to the ER, a whole lot cheaper than the ER surgery, and cheaper than the Recovery room time.
So it saves 3 times (at least). |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:27:06 PM EDT
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Massad Ayoob aggressivly claims that a vest saved his life during a low speed mild impact car crash.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:30:32 PM EDT
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK WTF does that even mean? Protecting the vital organs most certainly saves lives. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:31:30 PM EDT
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Often enough.
I'm sorry you were miserable wearing some armor as a contractor.... It doesn't limit mobility that much when you get used to it. The things that limited mobility were those stupid DAPs they tried to get us to wear and the side plates. Just front and back plates didn't really phase most people...even with a full load of everything else we carried. Could still sprint and move well. One my TLs got torn up pretty good from an IED on my first tour. He probably would have died if not for his plates and eye pro. Still had a fucked up face...but lack of penetration to his chest. One of many examples you'll hear from people that have been in combat. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:32:07 PM EDT
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A LOT!
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:41:17 PM EDT
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Well, it must have been a deflection. WIth the size of the helmets, it may have been a miss had he not been wearing one
Good friends truck was hit with an IED. The claim was the vests saved them from the chest injuries caused by the blast and shrapnel. Another friend had pics of his plate with shrapnel embedded in it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know a marine was saved by his helmet after getting shot by a sniper. Well, it must have been a deflection. WIth the size of the helmets, it may have been a miss had he not been wearing one
Good friends truck was hit with an IED. The claim was the vests saved them from the chest injuries caused by the blast and shrapnel. Another friend had pics of his plate with shrapnel embedded in it. Shrug, I know a Marine who had the same. Aimed shot, 7.62x54r from a Dragunov - glanced off the side. Might have missed, mighta misted. 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:43:18 PM EDT
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK That sounds an awful like the "5.56 was designed to wound" myth |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:45:47 PM EDT
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Body armor works. The numbers are borne out by the drastically lower serious injury/death rates in modern conflicts vs historical conflicts that parallel them. The .mil and other entities have in fact done studies to this effect but I'm to lazy to see what's out there on the web .
The primary means through with which combatants are killed or wounded in war is typically not bullets though. Most casualties, historically speaking, have been products of fragmentation producing weapons like artillery, grenades, etc at least for the last century or two. Most combat body armor is centered around that reality, and for that matter why the helmet was the first widely issued truly modern personal armor. The ability and really the absolute need to stop small arms fire, specifically high velocity rifle fire, is a newer phenomena and largely reflective of massive advances in technology, willingness to tolerate casualties (or rather lack their of), and changes in the way wars are fought and against whom (some of that due to advancements in armor at all levels). Modern body armor will stop rifle rounds, but the nature of the materials, typically a ceramic like aluminum oxide or boron carbide backed by a p-aramid fiber based material or more often than not these days backed by an UHMWPE laminate like Honneywell's Spectra or DSM's dyneema, is such that coverage for rifle threats is inherently limited due to weight and mobility considerations. This limits the number of "saves" relative to what it could be for greater coverage, but it does stop the vast majority of lethal small arms threats by covering the important bits and often the more standard, generally issued systems retain much of that soft armor coverage designed to stop the fragmentation threats that are the real killers when your enemy has access to things like artillery. Bottom line though there are a lot of guys alive today that wouldnt be if not for modern armor. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:51:47 PM EDT
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That sounds an awful like the "5.56 was designed to wound" myth Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK That sounds an awful like the "5.56 was designed to wound" myth What I was trying to say from the article was that body armor was to keep you in battle longer untill I suppose some other larger arms like bombs or artillery takes you out. In other words it has its limits. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:54:02 PM EDT
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Massad Ayoob aggressivly claims that a vest saved his life during a low speed mild impact car crash. He also claims he killed a water moccasin by shooting next to its head.
My interceptor saved me and my BIL has a nifty scar on his forehead after his helmet deflected a round from a x54 |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:58:36 PM EDT
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He also claims he killed a water moccasin by shooting next to its head.
My interceptor saved me and my BIL has a nifty scar on his forehead after his helmet deflected a round from a x54 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Massad Ayoob aggressivly claims that a vest saved his life during a low speed mild impact car crash. He also claims he killed a water moccasin by shooting next to its head.
My interceptor saved me and my BIL has a nifty scar on his forehead after his helmet deflected a round from a x54 I fully agree and can attest that body armor has saved and will continue to save lives. Ayoob is a hack and I remember him running his suck incessantly in the months after his accident boldly proclaiming to all who would listen that he was "save # 1234". What a buffoon . |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:06:56 PM EDT
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What I was trying to say from the article was that body armor was to keep you in battle longer untill I suppose some other larger arms like bombs or artillery takes you out. In other words it has its limits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK That sounds an awful like the "5.56 was designed to wound" myth What I was trying to say from the article was that body armor was to keep you in battle longer untill I suppose some other larger arms like bombs or artillery takes you out. In other words it has its limits. You drunk? 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:07:10 PM EDT
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What bitch thinks plates are heavy?
Seriously hit the gym, while they can be cumbersome they are worth their weight both soft and hard armor are worth it. I'd rather be a little hotter or not be able to get into the prone comfortably than not have the armor. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:10:00 PM EDT
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The reason there are tens of to hundreds of thousands wounded WOT vets instead of tens of thousands of dead is body armor (and medical treatment advancements to a certain extent).
Incerceptor BA is responsible for a whole shitload of people not being in the ground. Might have a few stumps, but they are still breathing. What a silly question to ask. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:12:24 PM EDT
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The body armour is cheaper than the helicopter ride to the ER, a whole lot cheaper than the ER surgery, and cheaper than the Recovery room time. So it saves 3 times (at least). It's also cheaper than the $400K SLGI payment. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:12:36 PM EDT
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What I was trying to say from the article was that body armor was to keep you in battle longer untill I suppose some other larger arms like bombs or artillery takes you out. In other words it has its limits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK That sounds an awful like the "5.56 was designed to wound" myth What I was trying to say from the article was that body armor was to keep you in battle longer untill I suppose some other larger arms like bombs or artillery takes you out. In other words it has its limits. I think if its a cost equation, reinforcements are cheaper than having to train a replacement for a dead soldier. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:25:23 PM EDT
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Massad Ayoob aggressivly claims that a vest saved his life during a low speed mild impact car crash. Yeah, but when you read some of his stuff, he just says that he was save #_______ without saying anything about a car accident. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:47:19 PM EDT
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I wore it when required as a contractor overseas and I despised it. What kind of contractor? I absolutely love wearing armor. Its like having a super power. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:54:29 PM EDT
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Yeah, but when you read some of his stuff, he just says that he was save #_______ without saying anything about a car accident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Massad Ayoob aggressivly claims that a vest saved his life during a low speed mild impact car crash. Yeah, but when you read some of his stuff, he just says that he was save #_______ without saying anything about a car accident. classic hack. some day im going to do a 'top 10 bad gun writers". He will be on it and damn near the top. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:00:01 PM EDT
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01 May 2002. SAPI and shit hot 18D saved my life!
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:00:15 PM EDT
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BA does a tremendous job protecting vital organs in the trunk and head.
Military first aid is now heavily focused on stemming blood loss from mangled limbs. IIRC survival rates are 95%+ Interesting fact from this book • World War II: 1.8 percent (1 in 56) • Korean War: 0.6 percent (1 in 171) • Vietnam War: 0.5 percent (1 in 185) • Persian Gulf War: 0.03 percent (1 in 3,162) Monk ETA mortality rate per battle |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:08:48 PM EDT
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My platoon sergeant took two rounds in his front plate. Very likely saved his life. His whole chest and stomach was pretty ugly afterward, but there were no holes.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:18:38 PM EDT
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It has saved a few of my friends and I wear it at last 6 months out of the year. You'll be thankful it's on when you least expect it.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:38:48 PM EDT
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I know of two personally that soft armor saved here stateside.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:44:45 PM EDT
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK By... saving their life. The derp some post about armor is priceless. There was a thread about rifle rated helmets that really got the "I failed 5th grade science" idiots all riled up. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:52:58 PM EDT
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By... saving their life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK By... saving their life. I'm sure it made a lot of sense to him when he posted it. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:02:18 AM EDT
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If i had to go into any area that had a large amount of artillery, mortars, or other fragmentation weapons. I would want a anti frag goggles, and a full set of frag armor, helm, and rifle plates front and back.
Your more likely to take frag than you are direct fire in a real war with a modern army. 
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:07:55 AM EDT
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I read a interesting story that basically said body armor in the military was not necessarily to save lives but to keep the soldier in combat longer. IDK This post is confusing |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:12:01 AM EDT
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Saved me in 2004
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:14:42 AM EDT
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If i had to go into any area that had a large amount of artillery, mortars, or other fragmentation weapons. I would want a anti frag goggles, and a full set of frag armor, helm, and rifle plates front and back. Your more likely to take frag than you are direct fire in a real war with a modern army. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ef/17/b0/ef17b0fe4095cd8ee7cc71dd76497a90.jpg Might as well just stay in an armored vehicle. All that shit would suck to wear as light infantry. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:19:28 AM EDT
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Might as well just stay in an armored vehicle. All that shit would suck to wear as light infantry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If i had to go into any area that had a large amount of artillery, mortars, or other fragmentation weapons. I would want a anti frag goggles, and a full set of frag armor, helm, and rifle plates front and back. Your more likely to take frag than you are direct fire in a real war with a modern army. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ef/17/b0/ef17b0fe4095cd8ee7cc71dd76497a90.jpg Might as well just stay in an armored vehicle. All that shit would suck to wear as light infantry. some day.... 
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:21:32 AM EDT
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Saved me in 2004 
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:30:48 AM EDT
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What kind of contractor? I absolutely love wearing armor. Its like having a super power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wore it when required as a contractor overseas and I despised it. What kind of contractor? I absolutely love wearing armor. Its like having a super power. Yeah, but you're like some kind of body armor test pilot. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:39:03 AM EDT
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If you want body armor statistics - go through NIJ's website.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:41:53 AM EDT
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Army "Flack Vest" saved my kidney
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Posted: 11/28/2015 2:14:37 AM EDT
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For uniformed LEOs it considered "Safety Equipment." Thus you have to wear it while on duty.
Would you work without safety shoes, glasses, hearing protection, etc... when the job called for it? Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 2:25:02 AM EDT
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I knew a guy that was shot in the top of his head while wearing an ACH. The round penetrated the kevlar, but it didn't have enough energy left to pierce his head.
He described it as "getting punched in the top of the head by a gorilla." |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 2:27:11 AM EDT
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What kind of contractor? I absolutely love wearing armor. Its like having a super power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wore it when required as a contractor overseas and I despised it. What kind of contractor? I absolutely love wearing armor. Its like having a super power. Until you have to shit and can't reach your ass to wipe. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 2:31:26 AM EDT
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A lot.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 2:33:31 AM EDT
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A bullet struck my chest plate dead on, I didn't need any medical attention. An IED peppered my helmet when I was in a turret, I was able to remain in place and fight. How many are saved? Don't know, but I'm glad I was wearing it.
Now fire on the other hand.... |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 2:36:50 AM EDT
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My gunner was shot twice in a couple of months. Once in the helmet and the bullet skimmed around inside and out, he was fine, and one was slowed by the plate and the bullet embedded just beneath his skin. I told him to stay the hell away from me after the second one.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 2:48:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Saved me in 2004 |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 2:55:28 AM EDT
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Until you have to shit and can't reach your ass to wipe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I absolutely love wearing armor. Its like having a super power. Until you have to shit and can't reach your ass to wipe. 
Do you have some kind of disability or something?? |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 2:57:51 AM EDT
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I absolutely love wearing armor. Its like having a super power. Until you have to shit and can't reach your ass to wipe.
Do you have some kind of disability or something?? This even in an MTV with front and side sapis I could always wipe my ass. |
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