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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:12:34 AM EDT
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.458 Win. People think it's better than .375 H&H for dangerous game.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:22:46 AM EDT
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.458 Win. People think it's better than .375 H&H for dangerous game. They need to be stepping up to a .458 Lott or .460 Weatherby. 460 weatherby is my go to gun for big game. 300 weatherby in the US and Canada because I shoot deer long distance or black bear if I see one. Elk/ moose no issue. Hunts over seas require the 460 but everyone here thinks they are bs apparently. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:24:35 AM EDT
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I kind of dislike the 7mm Rem.Mag. but only because everyone braggs on them. Nothing wrong with the cartridge. The 308 was designed to replace the 30-06 with 150 gr bullets and it does a good job of it. For general sporting use, the 30-06 is a bit better with 180 gr bullets and heavier. The 284 was designed as a long range lever gun cartridge in the Winchester M88. At the time, they were trying to get the shooting public interested in lever guns again. Marlin brought out the 444 Marlin for the same reason. The 30-30 was designed to kill 4 and 2 legged varmints, deer, and black bear at the ranges you are most likely to encounter them. I think there are so many cartridges because the makers need to bring out "new" stuff. Advertising, mainly. They also know that shooters like to have the "perfect" firearm for the exact purpose they have in mind. The 280 Remington was made for the Remington 742 rifle. At the time, Remington couldnt get the rifle to work with the 270 ammo from other companies 100%. So they came out with a cartridge at .284 instead of .277 so that it would be very similar. They could then control the pressures needed for 742 operation. The 300 Whisper/Blackout was designed as a longer range suppressed cartridge and it does just fine in that role. The supersonic hunting loads work fine for deer. I once built an M1 carbine in 357 Auto Mag. Now that was a useful cartridge. 2000 fps with a 158 gr bullet. I find myself agreeing with all the above. 7mm Mag is a great round but I get tired of mouth breathers espousing how great it is without understanding any of the reasons why so I find myself not even considering it despite my high opinion of the 7mm class of cartridges. Of course I don't find much need for the magnums, at least in my east Texas woods. 7x57 and 7mm-08's are about perfect for my needs for stalking rifles and my 284 is built for the stand. Also, want to add a hatred for muzzle brakes for hunting rifles more than any particular caliber. If you feel that you need a muzzle brake the true answer is that you probably need a little less cartridge. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:34:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 And the recoil argument/reason always presented is retarded as well . 140gr 7mm-08 recoils every bit the same as a 150gr 308 and a 140gr 260 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 7mm08. Pointless. If you want a higher bc bullet, shoot a 260. Otherwise a 308 is what you want. And the recoil argument/reason always presented is retarded as well . 140gr 7mm-08 recoils every bit the same as a 150gr 308 and a 140gr 260 For practical rifles, the velocity of these escaping gases is around 5000 ft/sec, verified by high speed photography as the cloud envelopes the exiting bullet. So in the case of the .308 case using around 45 grains of powder, a good deal of recoil is from the propellant gases. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:32:12 PM EDT
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I cannot say that there is a cartridge I dislike.
Now I can say that there are concepts that people follow that I cannot stand. You do not need 1000foot pounds of energy to take down a White tail If your hunting medium game at less then 200 yds anything in a belted magnum is way over kill and unnecessary, and that includes anything with the weatherby name attached to it. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:38:22 PM EDT
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All the short magnums, weatherby the calibers not necessarily the rifles themselves, 35 Whelen. I zero a ton of crappy deer rifles before hunting season every year. So, I will add to that list anything that kicks me hard and will not zero because of the crappy scopes people put on their deer rifles. Shoot 30-06 all day every day and even it will beat you up.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:55:46 PM EDT
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30-06 it Doesn't do anything special, most factory ammo is loaded to 308 specs.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:58:30 PM EDT
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Fuck it, I like all of them.   GTFO!  GD hates everything!
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:01:24 PM EDT
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http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/962/HeresyStamp.png The .30-30 is tits Cheap, effective, soft recoil, easy to reload, and you can drop spitizers in for a 300 yard rifle. Its the freaking OG of hunting cartridges, and a large number of hunters would be better off with a dirty thirty than 7.666mmWSSSMSuperflyTNTUltraMag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.30-30. If its a lever gun, I'll take a .44 Mag or .450 Marlin. Otherwise I'll go with a full power cartridge. If its for youth, just load it light. http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/962/HeresyStamp.png The .30-30 is tits Cheap, effective, soft recoil, easy to reload, and you can drop spitizers in for a 300 yard rifle. Its the freaking OG of hunting cartridges, and a large number of hunters would be better off with a dirty thirty than 7.666mmWSSSMSuperflyTNTUltraMag. Truth. .30-30 for the win... Top: 1894 Winchester MFD 1899 Middle: 1984 Winchester MFD 1949-killed my first deer with it Bottom: 1899 Savage MFD in 1908 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:04:39 PM EDT
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25-06, 270 and 30-06.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:31:29 PM EDT
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Speed for one.
3000 fps pretty easy to get in reasonable white tail bullet weights. I've had one for about 40 years, and every whitetail shot was a one shot kill. And you can get a wide range of bullet weights if you want to varmint hunt. Mine is also superbly accurate. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:32:39 PM EDT
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Speed for one. 3000 fps pretty easy to get in reasonable white tail bullet weights. I've had one for about 40 years, and every whitetail shot was a one shot kill. And you can get a wide range of bullet weights if you want to varmint hunt. Mine is also superbly accurate. what caliber you talking about Willis? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:52:05 PM EDT
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Bordering off topic, because I don't know how many people hunt with it, but I hate .357 Sig. Weird, shrieky, barky little cartridge. I dislike the noise it makes quite intensely.
In rifles, I hate it when the stronger cartridge loses in the popular vote to the flashier cartridge (SAUM vs. WSM). |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 3:29:17 PM EDT
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243 Winchester. Loud, barrel eating anemic little thing.
270, overhyped nostalgia. 6.8 SPC. Overhyped but modern.
Also, I thought I would like the 7MM magnum more. But after having owned one I feel less than lukewarm about the cartridge. The Tikka I shoot it out of though is sweet. 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 5:33:40 PM EDT
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I like the WSM rounds, but I like short actions.
Never got into the WSSM rounds though, they don't feed and eat barrels. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 6:33:56 PM EDT
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.30-30. If its a lever gun, I'll take a .44 Mag or .450 Marlin. Otherwise I'll go with a full power cartridge. If its for youth, just load it light. Your post should be reported as heresy. 30-30 for the best old cartridge ever. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 6:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Truth. .30-30 for the win... Top: 1894 Winchester MFD 1899 Middle: 1984 Winchester MFD 1949-killed my first deer with it Bottom: 1899 Savage MFD in 1908 http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq72/p2tharizo/Arfcom/S5003220_zps76edffb6.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: .30-30. If its a lever gun, I'll take a .44 Mag or .450 Marlin. Otherwise I'll go with a full power cartridge. If its for youth, just load it light. http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/962/HeresyStamp.png The .30-30 is tits Cheap, effective, soft recoil, easy to reload, and you can drop spitizers in for a 300 yard rifle. Its the freaking OG of hunting cartridges, and a large number of hunters would be better off with a dirty thirty than 7.666mmWSSSMSuperflyTNTUltraMag. Truth. .30-30 for the win... Top: 1894 Winchester MFD 1899 Middle: 1984 Winchester MFD 1949-killed my first deer with it Bottom: 1899 Savage MFD in 1908 http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq72/p2tharizo/Arfcom/S5003220_zps76edffb6.jpg  |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 6:41:39 PM EDT
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5.56, .223, 300BLK This right here Yep, add the .243 in there as well. Do you guys really hunt or just repeating gun shop fuddery? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 6:43:46 PM EDT
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5.56, .223, 300BLK This right here Yep, add the .243 in there as well. Do you guys really hunt or just repeating gun shop fuddery? Truth, I cant think of a better light recoil Whitetail round (besides the 30-30) than the 243. Knocks their dick in the dirt. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 6:45:16 PM EDT
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284 Winchester....what drugs were used to come up with this cartridge... One of my favorites. I also have around 400 pieces of brass. 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 6:49:13 PM EDT
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Truth, I cant think of a better light recoil Whitetail round (besides the 30-30) than the 243. Knocks their dick in the dirt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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5.56, .223, 300BLK This right here Yep, add the .243 in there as well. Do you guys really hunt or just repeating gun shop fuddery? Truth, I cant think of a better light recoil Whitetail round (besides the 30-30) than the 243. Knocks their dick in the dirt. If you need something harder hitting than a 243 fro Whitetail and smaller game, you are compensating. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:01:21 PM EDT
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7mm08. Pointless. If you want a higher bc bullet, shoot a 260. Otherwise a 308 is what you want. The 7mm08 was relevant long before the 260. Lots of 7mm bullets have higher BCs than the 6.5 bullets. The 7mm08 can shoot heavier bullets as well. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:02:46 PM EDT
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460 weatherby is my go to gun for big game. 300 weatherby in the US and Canada because I shoot deer long distance or black bear if I see one. Elk/ moose no issue. Hunts over seas require the 460 but everyone here thinks they are bs apparently. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.458 Win. People think it's better than .375 H&H for dangerous game. They need to be stepping up to a .458 Lott or .460 Weatherby. 460 weatherby is my go to gun for big game. 300 weatherby in the US and Canada because I shoot deer long distance or black bear if I see one. Elk/ moose no issue. Hunts over seas require the 460 but everyone here thinks they are bs apparently. A 500gr billet at 2150 will kill everything that walks or crawls. That said the 458WM is the most recoil I can take but I would have a 450 Rigby if I could handle it. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:08:17 PM EDT
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I don't really hate any of them except for maybe the WSMs and WSSMs just because I find them ugly. I do find a bunch pointless other than for collecting because of obscurity and redundancy. I like all the people bleating in here about "overkill." Did they chose a round that can effectively kill the targeted game without turning it into a cloud of pink mist and fur? If yes no fucks given. Personally I will grab the lightest gun that gets the job done but if you want lug your 338 Lapua into the woods to shoot whitetail deer at 75 yards more power to you.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:12:23 PM EDT
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5.56, .223, 300BLK This right here Yep, add the .243 in there as well. Do you guys really hunt or just repeating gun shop fuddery? Do you even have to ask. Threads like this expose how little most people know. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:18:07 PM EDT
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250 Savage is another favorite of mine, another Ruger 77R loaded with IMR-3031 and a 75gr V-Max it gives one hole groups@100yds.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:20:44 PM EDT
[#27]
I like my .270
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:28:59 PM EDT
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10 GA I have grandpa's old 10GA Bolt action. It is not pleasant to shoot. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:55:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 250 Savage is another favorite of mine, another Ruger 77R loaded with IMR-3031 and a 75gr V-Max it gives one hole groups@100yds. Quote HistoryQuoted: 250 Savage is another favorite of mine, another Ruger 77R loaded with IMR-3031 and a 75gr V-Max it gives one hole groups@100yds. Quoted: 250-3000 savage 7mm STW 30-378 |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:58:22 PM EDT
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All of them.
Well except for .22 and 12 gauge. I'm not a big game hunter. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:03:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How could it not? The difference in bullet size is so minuscule that with the same amount of powder it doesn't make sense that 7mm-08 would have less felt recoil. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 7mm08. Pointless. If you want a higher bc bullet, shoot a 260. Otherwise a 308 is what you want. And the recoil argument/reason always presented is retarded as well . 140gr 7mm-08 recoils every bit the same as a 150gr 308 and a 140gr 260 How could it not? The difference in bullet size is so minuscule that with the same amount of powder it doesn't make sense that 7mm-08 would have less felt recoil. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:07:09 PM EDT
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I'll hunt with anything.
I prefer .270 to 30-06. I prefer 25-06 to both. I'm taking a 25-06 and a .308 this weekend. My dad was a big .308 fan so I may kill a deer with one just for that reason alone. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:08:23 PM EDT
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I haven't found a cartridge I don't like. It's usually the people telling me how my choices are wrong that I don't like.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:32:51 PM EDT
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300 blackout. An answer to a problem that doesn't exist. I know how we can improve it. We can take .300 Blackout and lengthen the case (bear with me here!) to 45mm. We then neck it down to a .224 bullet in the 55 to 62 grain range and load it to 3100FPS. It won't be as quiet but will still be rather utilitarian up to medium game. You could carry more ammo for the weight! We can call it the .223 Lightbulb. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:48:04 PM EDT
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The 7mm08 was relevant long before the 260. Lots of 7mm bullets have higher BCs than the 6.5 bullets. The 7mm08 can shoot heavier bullets as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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7mm08. Pointless. If you want a higher bc bullet, shoot a 260. Otherwise a 308 is what you want. The 7mm08 was relevant long before the 260. Lots of 7mm bullets have higher BCs than the 6.5 bullets. The 7mm08 can shoot heavier bullets as well. Yup. I know a guy who is 5'6" and 140#, he used a 7mms STW until he got a 30-378. For whitetail in Pennsylvania 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:49:43 PM EDT
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250 Savage is another favorite of mine, another Ruger 77R loaded with IMR-3031 and a 75gr V-Max it gives one hole groups@100yds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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250-3000 savage 7mm STW 30-378 Yeah but then it would be a 250-3200
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:51:26 PM EDT
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Never could get into 338 Win Mag. Never could get into 338. Lot's of recoil, for most situations doesn't outpace 30-06 or 300 win mag, for the heavier bullets 375 H&H does a far better job with pretty much the same recoil. Throw the .35 Whelen into the mix and the 338's utility becomes even less. I know a lot of people swear by 338 win mag for Grizzly and Moose. In identical rifles, then yes, recoil is brisk. Most .338 rifles are heavier than their little .30-06 siblings. I used to have two Ruger 77's (a .30-06 and a .338 win mag) that were made sometime in the 80's. The .30-06 was made later if that matters at all. The .30-06 had a much svelter stalk and butt pad. The butt pad on the .338 was visibly wider. The .338 barrel was of course 2" longer as well. I remember the .338 being around 1.5 lbs heavier. The .338 was the softer shooting of the two and considerably more accurate. The .30-06 simply cannot keep up with the .338 on heavier game. Nothing shabby on on the old girl, but the .338 is just better. For the heavier bullets that 338 offer I'll simply move up to a 375. The 250 gr. .338 has a little better SD (.313 vs .305) but honestly both are killing machines on big game. Many African countries require .375 as minimum, so there's that. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:52:25 PM EDT
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Interesting, I find my .338 is my favorite bolt action gun. It's an accurate round, has a good selection of bullet weights. With a muzzle brake recoils like a .270 Different strokes and all that.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never could get into 338 Win Mag. Never could get into 338. Lot's of recoil, for most situations doesn't outpace 30-06 or 300 win mag, for the heavier bullets 375 H&H does a far better job with pretty much the same recoil. Throw the .35 Whelen into the mix and the 338's utility becomes even less. I know a lot of people swear by 338 win mag for Grizzly and Moose. Interesting, I find my .338 is my favorite bolt action gun. It's an accurate round, has a good selection of bullet weights. With a muzzle brake recoils like a .270 Different strokes and all that.. Beat me to post g this. I love my .338 Win Mag and it's cartridges |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:55:52 PM EDT
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I know how we can improve it. We can take .300 Blackout and lengthen the case (bear with me here!) to 45mm. We then neck it down to a .224 bullet in the 55 to 62 grain range and load it to 3100FPS. It won't be as quiet but will still be rather utilitarian up to medium game. You could carry more ammo for the weight! We can call it the .223 Lightbulb. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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300 blackout. An answer to a problem that doesn't exist. I know how we can improve it. We can take .300 Blackout and lengthen the case (bear with me here!) to 45mm. We then neck it down to a .224 bullet in the 55 to 62 grain range and load it to 3100FPS. It won't be as quiet but will still be rather utilitarian up to medium game. You could carry more ammo for the weight! We can call it the .223 Lightbulb. The best part would be it would only require a barrel change, you could use the same mags and bolt 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:57:36 PM EDT
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7mm08. Pointless. If you want a higher bc bullet, shoot a 260. Otherwise a 308 is what you want. The 7mm08 was relevant long before the 260. Lots of 7mm bullets have higher BCs than the 6.5 bullets. The 7mm08 can shoot heavier bullets as well. Yup. I know a guy who is 5'6" and 140#, he used a 7mms STW until he got a 30-378. For whitetail in Pennsylvania Eta- quoted wrong post. Was in response to guys using huge guns for deer |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:59:44 PM EDT
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Two of my favorites have already been mentioned in this thread, 284 Winchester and 250-3000.
Hurt me a lot, right in the feels. 
If anyone goes after 444 Marlin, 35 Remington or 45-70, I might have to hit the bourbon.
Btw, 243, 25-06 and 270 are incredibly boring. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 3:51:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find it amazing our country has been able to fight 100 years of war with not more than half a dozen rifle calibers (5.56, 7.62, .30-06, .50, .30 carbine), yet there exists like ten times as many calibers over the last 100 years for shooting a deer. .45-70 Government 6mm Lee Navy .30-40 Krag .30-03 Springfield .30-06 Springfield 7.62x51mm NATO .30 Carbine 5.56x45mm NATO .50 BMG .338 Lapua .300 Winchester Magnum Nope... not even a dozen and some of those and used in extremely snall numbers for very specialized rifles. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 5:33:43 AM EDT
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I don't understand all the .243 hate. I shot a couple growing up. Stupid accurate, moderate recoil. It's the only DRT round I've ever dropped a whitetail with. I would own another.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 5:50:10 AM EDT
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50 BMG for me, it's hard to hump the M2, tripod and ammo out into the field without some friends.....Oh hunting cartridges......you didn't specify what we were hunting.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:36:23 AM EDT
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.348 Winchester
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:56:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 50 BMG for me, it's hard to hump the M2, tripod and ammo out into the field without some friends.....Oh hunting cartridges......you didn't specify what we were hunting. Old Marine  |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:19:30 AM EDT
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.243, .270 get hate?
These are classics now, created at a time when there was a void to fill. I do agree that just about every application has already been covered ad nauseam. With more coming everyday, many seemingly doing nothing that hasn't been done repeatedly. The .300 AAC is here to stay, and the 6.5 Creedmoor is edging the .243 out in many circles. All that said, I have my own unique wildcat rifle/cartridge combo on the drawing board that I would like to see built. But that's probably never happening. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:42:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand all the .243 hate. I shot a couple growing up. Stupid accurate, moderate recoil. It's the only DRT round I've ever dropped a whitetail with. I would own another. There are a hundred rifle calibers that will DRT a whitetail. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 12:06:57 PM EDT
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I gave up on .30-.30, had a crazy accurate Marlin lever gun, but liked the longer range I could get with .308, and a little more energy delivered to the intended target. Not a .30-.30 hater, they have their advantages and a legendary deer cartridge, just went with a better choice for me that gave me more options for different game. But these days mainly use '06 or .300 Win mag for deer and elk.
Never wanted a .270, but would not turn one down as a gift. Stayed away from the Winchester short and super short mags, harder to find ammo, and expensive! Go with the more commonly available calibers, that is what is on the shelf, I don't have time to load my own. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 12:12:03 PM EDT
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Another vote for .270.
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