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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:23:03 AM EDT
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Fuck turkey..
Anyone shooting down planes bombing aloah snackbars is a moron. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:23:43 AM EDT
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All Bush's fault.
What a fucking mess. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:24:29 AM EDT
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Tag. Thanks for the updates fellas.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:24:52 AM EDT
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Russia's Defense Ministry: 'Analysis of the objective monitoring |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:25:38 AM EDT
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These Turkish men are Snackbarring a lot when they find the Russian pilots body.
Soooooo.... if the plane crashed in Turkey why does a terrorist group have the body? According to Reuters, the video was sent by a rebel group operating in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including the Free Syrian Army are active but Islamic State has no known presence. 
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:28:03 AM EDT
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You remember they took Crimea and are currently pissing on eastern Ukraine right? Not to mention its not a long flight over the Caspian Sea through Iran to drop off supplies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Russia has to transit Turkey to resupply Syria,operative word is "has" as they sure can't move everything they need by air. War with Turkey is not even remotely an option. While I am no fan of Turks,seeing a Sukhoi on fire makes me all warm and happy inside. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No they don't. Tartus is a long standing Russian Naval base and they established an air bridge over Iran and Iraq. linky Yes,they can take the scenic route from Saint Petersburg but everything heavy they have sent so far has come from Novorossiysk through the Bosporus. Relying fully upon the air bridge would be a bit like if the US tried to fight in Iraq without the ability to use Kuwait. You remember they took Crimea and are currently pissing on eastern Ukraine right? Not to mention its not a long flight over the Caspian Sea through Iran to drop off supplies. They are pulling back from Novorossiya as it has become properly frozen. Ukraine is not going to attempt retaking it. The armor and support that they sent to replace Assad's losses are former "DPR" and "LPR" T-72s and Kamazes. An open war with Turkey to take the straits is crazy talk. They are sending a warship through now just to show that Turkey isn't going to bottle them up in the Black Sea and Erdogan will certainly let it through. There is a large Turkmen population in that region and even an exclave,they don't want Russia bombing their guys. Of course the problem is that outside of watching over kin,there is plenty of evidence that Turkey has been aiding IS through sins of omission and commision. I don't think this will come to much. It serves Putin's "US/EU/NATO supports IS" line and will play well at home. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:29:19 AM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:30:17 AM EDT
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Fuck yea. Let's get it going. If we are going to war with Russia sign me the fuck up.
I doubt even 2% of Russia's nukes can get off the ground if it comes to that. You know the Russians are known for great preventive maintenance and keeping things and working order over extended periods of time I mean look at their Navy. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:30:47 AM EDT
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These Turkish men are Snackbarring a lot when they find the Russian pilots body. Soooooo.... if the plane crashed in Turkey why does a terrorist group have the body?  Y9UJcX_UVB0Quote HistoryQuoted:
These Turkish men are Snackbarring a lot when they find the Russian pilots body. Soooooo.... if the plane crashed in Turkey why does a terrorist group have the body? According to Reuters, the video was sent by a rebel group operating in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including the Free Syrian Army are active but Islamic State has no known presence. Y9UJcX_UVB0It didn't crash in Turkey. It crashed in Syria and the impact of the missile was over Syria. There's a image of the tracking map up in page 2 |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:32:16 AM EDT
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It didn't crash in Turkey. It crashed in Syria and the impact of the missile was over Syria. There's a image of the tracking map up in page 2 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These Turkish men are Snackbarring a lot when they find the Russian pilots body. Soooooo.... if the plane crashed in Turkey why does a terrorist group have the body? According to Reuters, the video was sent by a rebel group operating in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including the Free Syrian Army are active but Islamic State has no known presence. Y9UJcX_UVB0It didn't crash in Turkey. It crashed in Syria and the impact of the missile was over Syria. There's a image of the tracking map up in page 2 I know, that's why Turkey is going to have a hard time selling this shootdown if the bodies and plane are not in it's country. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:32:23 AM EDT
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They are pulling back from Novorossiya as it has become properly frozen. Ukraine is not going to attempt retaking it. The armor and support that they sent to replace Assad's losses are former "DPR" and "LPR" T-72s and Kamazes. An open war with Turkey to take the straits is crazy talk. They are sending a warship through now just to show that Turkey isn't going to bottle them up in the Black Sea and Erdogan will certainly let it through. There is a large Turkmen population in that region and even an exclave,they don't want Russia bombing their guys. Of course the problem is that outside of watching over kin,there is plenty of evidence that Turkey has been aiding IS through sins of omission and commision. I don't think this will come to much. It serves Putin's "US/EU/NATO supports IS" line and will play well at home. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Russia has to transit Turkey to resupply Syria,operative word is "has" as they sure can't move everything they need by air. War with Turkey is not even remotely an option. While I am no fan of Turks,seeing a Sukhoi on fire makes me all warm and happy inside. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No they don't. Tartus is a long standing Russian Naval base and they established an air bridge over Iran and Iraq. linky Yes,they can take the scenic route from Saint Petersburg but everything heavy they have sent so far has come from Novorossiysk through the Bosporus. Relying fully upon the air bridge would be a bit like if the US tried to fight in Iraq without the ability to use Kuwait. You remember they took Crimea and are currently pissing on eastern Ukraine right? Not to mention its not a long flight over the Caspian Sea through Iran to drop off supplies. They are pulling back from Novorossiya as it has become properly frozen. Ukraine is not going to attempt retaking it. The armor and support that they sent to replace Assad's losses are former "DPR" and "LPR" T-72s and Kamazes. An open war with Turkey to take the straits is crazy talk. They are sending a warship through now just to show that Turkey isn't going to bottle them up in the Black Sea and Erdogan will certainly let it through. There is a large Turkmen population in that region and even an exclave,they don't want Russia bombing their guys. Of course the problem is that outside of watching over kin,there is plenty of evidence that Turkey has been aiding IS through sins of omission and commision. I don't think this will come to much. It serves Putin's "US/EU/NATO supports IS" line and will play well at home. True on all accounts but all the more reason to cautiously approach Turkey's actions. But it's not as if Russia is actually attacking ISIS... to them all the groups in Syria that aren't the Syrian Army are ISIS. Like many here. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:33:16 AM EDT
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Tag for WW3.....so time to pull out my iodine pills?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:33:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe this will make Russia be a bit more careful about air space violations going forward. They've been bullying other nations and testing the limits for a number of years. It was just a matter of time until someone got tired of it and possessed the balls to do something about it. Whether or not the Russians actually violated Turkish air space today is another question, but we know there have been a few incidents already. At some point, things left to simmer may come to a boil. It is what it is. ETA: Oh, and this is the much vaunted Russian Su-24, the same aircraft they claimed to have totally disabled (electronically) an Arleigh Burke class destroyer in the Black Sea. Yet in reality, those electronics couldn't even deal with a couple of export F-16s.  was was supposed to have been the EW variant |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:34:45 AM EDT
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I know, that's why Turkey is going to have a hard time selling this shootdown if the bodies and plane are not in it's country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These Turkish men are Snackbarring a lot when they find the Russian pilots body. Soooooo.... if the plane crashed in Turkey why does a terrorist group have the body? According to Reuters, the video was sent by a rebel group operating in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including the Free Syrian Army are active but Islamic State has no known presence. Y9UJcX_UVB0It didn't crash in Turkey. It crashed in Syria and the impact of the missile was over Syria. There's a image of the tracking map up in page 2 I know, that's why Turkey is going to have a hard time selling this shootdown if the bodies and plane are not in it's country. Physics... not hard at all. They show the track of the jet flying over a finger of Turkish airspace and boom. They think they have justification to shoot down an Russian jet. RT pundits and anchors are going apoplectic over this. What I'd be interested in is if the Fencer executed any evasive maneuvers? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:35:02 AM EDT
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Fuck turkey.. Anyone shooting down planes bombing aloah snackbars is a moron. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:35:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:36:15 AM EDT
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The dynamic in Syria is pretty simple. A secular dictator is trying to be pushed out by various Sunni groups, some more extreme than others. We found a few of the less head-choppy ones and called them our friends because they are smart enough to say all the right things to make the bleeding-hearts want to give them stuff. Once they kill Assad they'll genocide the Christians, Alawites, Druze, etc and then burn American flags where screaming ALLAH AKBAR! Then they'll be a good 5ish years of civil war between the various Islamists factions over who gets the throne. Meanwhile we'll send envoys and make speeches about bringing freedom and democracy to the region. A region that wants neither because their Imams and Islamic Scholars forbid such Western concepts. That's my understanding and I think a lot of other people share it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your understanding of the dynamic in Syria is impeccable. /snark The dynamic in Syria is pretty simple. A secular dictator is trying to be pushed out by various Sunni groups, some more extreme than others. We found a few of the less head-choppy ones and called them our friends because they are smart enough to say all the right things to make the bleeding-hearts want to give them stuff. Once they kill Assad they'll genocide the Christians, Alawites, Druze, etc and then burn American flags where screaming ALLAH AKBAR! Then they'll be a good 5ish years of civil war between the various Islamists factions over who gets the throne. Meanwhile we'll send envoys and make speeches about bringing freedom and democracy to the region. A region that wants neither because their Imams and Islamic Scholars forbid such Western concepts. That's my understanding and I think a lot of other people share it. Could not state it better, right on the mark. Good news is that the "conflict" will be a good way for a diverse group of bad guys to kill each other off. Bad news is, once things settle down, they will be very good at killing and will likely want to export their skills. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:38:03 AM EDT
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WW3
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:38:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis was exactly what I was wondering. 5 seconds, no hostile intent obvious to Turkey, and they shot it down? Something's screwy. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:39:14 AM EDT
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The dynamic in Syria is pretty simple Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your understanding of the dynamic in Syria is impeccable. /snark The dynamic in Syria is pretty simple No, it isn't. The situation in Syria is a lot of things, but simple is not one of them. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:40:10 AM EDT
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Good. Russia deserves to get some shit. They fuck with entirely too many countries airspace with no regard.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:41:14 AM EDT
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This was exactly what I was wondering. 5 seconds, no hostile intent obvious to Turkey, and they shot it down? Something's screwy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
This was exactly what I was wondering. 5 seconds, no hostile intent obvious to Turkey, and they shot it down? Something's screwy. The reason is that Turkey contacted the UN Security Council yesterday to protest the Russians attacking anti-Assad rebels who happen to be "enthic Turks". Just hours before the Russian jet was shot down, Ankara called for a U.N Security Council meeting to discuss attacks on Turkmen areas in Syria, which have forced some 1,700 civilians to flee their homes in the last three days, according to Turkish officials. Ankara has traditionally expressed solidarity with the Syrian Turkmens, who are Syrians of Turkish descent. It has also repeatedly voiced concern about Russian military support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria's civil war. Turkey summoned Moscow's ambassador on Friday and called for an immediate end to the Russian military operation near its border in northern Syria, which it said included "heavy bombardment" of Turkmen civilian villages.
Russian air strikes in support of Assad's forces have shifted the balance of power in the conflict and dealt a setback to Turkey's aim of seeing Assad removed from power. The provincial governor of Turkey's Hatay province, which borders the area where the bombing is taking place, said around 1,700 Turkmens had fled toward Turkey over the last three days, state-run Anadolu Agency reported. Governor Ercan Topaca told a news conference that up to 30,000 inhabitants of the mountainous area could potentially be forced from their homes as a result of the fighting. Turkey's disaster and emergency authority AFAD said Turkmen families fleeing the fighting were being sent to the Yamadi camp across the border from the Turkish town of Yayladagi and that tents, blankets and clothing were delivered to them. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:42:03 AM EDT
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Hmmmm, interesting....not sure if GD wants me to be happy or enraged about this though. I think the correct response it to feel concerned Made me smile. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:43:20 AM EDT
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I'm no fan of Turkey, but fuck Russia. My ass will be back at the recruitment office if we can finally knock the Ruskies dicks in the dirt.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:45:22 AM EDT
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It will be interesting to see where this goes.
Was Turkey honestly protecting it's borders? If so why did it let so many other Russian incursions go unchallenged? Or, is Turkey just pandering to ISIS and radical Islam? If Russia strikes back will NATO pee it's pants or escalate the hostilities? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:45:51 AM EDT
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May not be related to Su-24 shoot down but Syrian group posts video claiming to be a downed Russian helo: link
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:46:13 AM EDT
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So does anyone know what hashtag Obama will be using to solve this? 
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:46:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:46:57 AM EDT
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It's about time someone got sick enough of the soviet's shit to put the smack down on them. It sure as hell wasn't going to be our apologizer in chief.
Fuck Putin. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:47:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI love that GIF. 
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:47:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:47:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All kidding aside, how big of a deal is this. Is it a pivotal point? Hello me out here. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:47:48 AM EDT
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The reason is that Turkey contacted the UN Security Council yesterday to protest the Russians attacking anti-Assad rebels who happen to be "enthic Turks". Right to protect is what Putin used to excuse his actions in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:50:50 AM EDT
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Well that escalated quickly.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-JA1ffd5Ms[/youtube] 
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:51:03 AM EDT
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This whole God damned thing is going to get out of control to the point of no return. It was all set into motion on 9-11 These things take time to reach critical mass, we're about half way there at this pace. But then, wars tend to have their own pace and timeline. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:51:47 AM EDT
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May not be related to Su-24 shoot down but Syrian group posts video claiming to be a downed Russian helo: link This has the potential to go downhill quick. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:51:48 AM EDT
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Now that things are heating up with Turkey and Russia, lets pull our Nukes from Turkey and tel them to get stuffed.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:51:48 AM EDT
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"Emergency" NATO meeting. Can the generals can get to NATO HQ safely?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:52:19 AM EDT
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Fuck turkey.. Anyone shooting down planes bombing aloah snackbars is a moron. yep |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:54:27 AM EDT
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Has russia lobbed nuke at turkey yet?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:56:03 AM EDT
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This is gonna get fun! Will Putin retaliate or not? Will NATO back Turkey or not? Will Putin risk pushing NATO into action? Or not? Will everyone thump their chests and go back to BAU or not? Will FBHO start a fire in the oval office from the friction of his handwringing or will it be extinguished by his tears and the urine running down his leg?
Stay tuned! My opinion is there will be a lot of posturing by Putin, Turkey will say it was an unfortunate incident, NATO will issue a statement that it backs it's members, and there will be much changing of undies. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:56:26 AM EDT
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Any updates on the rescue Helicopter shoot down?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:57:02 AM EDT
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I for one, am glad to see our F-16s we sold to Turkey, are still able to take out Russian planes. I'm sure the F-16's are older tech in those planes and still can take out an SU-24. It was mostly likely a block 40 or 50 F-16 that they put together. http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article21.html The Turkish Air Force has a total of 270 F-16C/D aircraft in its inventory, all of them Block 30/40/50 models. Turkey is one of five countries to locally produce F-16s. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:59:26 AM EDT
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This is gonna get fun! Will Putin retaliate or not? Will NATO back Turkey or not? Will Putin risk pushing NATO into action? Or not? Will everyone thump their chests and go back to BAU or not? Will FBHO start a fire in the oval office from the friction of his handwringing or will it be extinguished by his tears and the urine running down his leg? Stay tuned! What do you think. Just after they released the images of their WWIII Room. Vasili, lets fuck some shit up 
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:59:35 AM EDT
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Anyone see new info on the helicopter? I think that will be the tipping point.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:00:37 AM EDT
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Any updates on the rescue Helicopter shoot down? Some sources are saying they actually crashed on the side of a mountain during the search, and that the crew all made it out alive. But there is so much conflicting information right now who knows wtf is actually going on. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:02:31 AM EDT
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What a mess. 
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:02:44 AM EDT
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Any updates on the rescue Helicopter shoot down? Nothing on F24 so far. Says aircraft was warned 10 times prior to shootdown and both pilots ejected safely. No word on any helo. Putin says it was a "stab in the back"... |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:03:48 AM EDT
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This was exactly what I was wondering. 5 seconds, no hostile intent obvious to Turkey, and they shot it down? Something's screwy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
This was exactly what I was wondering. 5 seconds, no hostile intent obvious to Turkey, and they shot it down? Something's screwy. KAL 007. russia has been warned repeatedly to not violate turkish air space. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:04:16 AM EDT
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