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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:39:54 AM EDT
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Looks like falling debris fucked up someone's house: http://www.dispatchtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Russian-jet-SHOT-DOWN-over-Tur.jpg From the looks of it, it may have actually cleaned out some of the trash! |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:40:12 AM EDT
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Pic of Russian gunships searching for the second pilot
https://mobile.twitter.com/dijraberi/status/669109820369330176/photo/1 |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:45:08 AM EDT
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How ironic, we are talking Turkey before Thanksgiving, just not the tasty one.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:46:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate the Ruskies and the current Turk.gov but sure don't want to enter WW3 on Turkey's behalf Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hmmmm, interesting....not sure if GD wants me to be happy or enraged about this though. I hate the Ruskies and the current Turk.gov but sure don't want to enter WW3 on Turkey's behalf Right here...this....I hope the Russians also eat Turkey this week |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:46:34 AM EDT
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That was quick, good for them.
Turkey day might have a whole new meaning from now on. Better than watching football anyways. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:47:07 AM EDT
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Realistically,the very best that can happen in Syria is a Lebanon like solution.
How long did that take to work out and how well? Putin is not dumb enough to use his forces to attempt to take Syria's pre-revolt borders. I believe his goal was to attempt to take the pressure off of Assad and force the GCC into backing some sort of political solution. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:50:34 AM EDT
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NATO and Turkey are holding 'emergency meetings' this morning.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:51:05 AM EDT
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Hmmmm, interesting....not sure if GD wants me to be happy or enraged about this though. Just another normal day huh? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:51:08 AM EDT
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Realistically,the very best that can happen in Syria is a Lebanon like solution. How long did that take to work out and how well? Putin is not dumb enough to use his forces to attempt to take Syria's pre-revolt borders. I believe his goal was to attempt to take the pressure off of Assad and force the GCC into backing some sort of political solution. The problem is that Assad is a "whole loaf or nothing" kind of guy. I don't King of a Rump Alawite Kingdom is in the cards, and I think the only reason the Turks would allow it to exist is to keep the Kurds from having an outlet to the sea. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:51:53 AM EDT
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Looks like a helicopter looking for the downed pilots was also shot down:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621677/Reports-Russian-helicopter-shot-down-while-searching-downed-jets Things just got interesting.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:52:54 AM EDT
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I hope you're right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Putin is a bully who just got punched. he aint gonna do shit. hell, I hope I am wrong. fuck turkey. let them fight each other to exhaustion. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:53:23 AM EDT
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So will Hollande go to Russia to apologize on behalf of NATO/Turkey? Our president would....
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:53:33 AM EDT
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How ironic, we are talking Turkey before Thanksgiving, just not the tasty one. I'm sure they're already sending strongly worded twitter messages and TPS reports. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:54:03 AM EDT
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NATO and Turkey are holding 'emergency meetings' this morning. Probably SOP after a situation like this I would imagine. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:55:55 AM EDT
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Couple of well placed Russian nukes and they can go about their business of slapping ISIS without Turkish interference.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:56:08 AM EDT
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All kidding aside, how big of a deal is this. Is it a pivotal point? Hello me out here. What If it was 1 of ours shot down by some country that has been sitting on the sidelines and is suspect in possibly helping ISIS? At the least ignoring their comings and goings across the border. Bear gonna be pissed. Wouldn't want to be a Turk manning any missile sites near the border. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:57:11 AM EDT
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President Putin says Russian fighter jet was downed on Syrian territory 4km from Turkish border - @Reuters |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:58:10 AM EDT
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Looks like a helicopter looking for the downed pilots was also shot down: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621677/Reports-Russian-helicopter-shot-down-while-searching-downed-jets Things just got interesting.
Yeah, that sort of ups the ante just a bit. But if the plane went down inside Syria, it was probably some of the FSA, ISIS, Al-Nusra or whatever other elements are in the area that brought it down, not Turkey. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:58:49 AM EDT
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Looks like a helicopter looking for the downed pilots was also shot down: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621677/Reports-Russian-helicopter-shot-down-while-searching-downed-jets Things just got interesting.
lol |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:00:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: hell, I hope I am wrong. fuck turkey. let them fight each other to exhaustion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Putin is a bully who just got punched. he aint gonna do shit. hell, I hope I am wrong. fuck turkey. let them fight each other to exhaustion. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:00:22 AM EDT
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Uh oh....
"Russian President Vladimir Putin has called an emergency meeting over the downing of the jet and unverified sources have claimed Russia is currently sending a warship across the Dardenelles from the Black Sea into the Mediterranean." Is it happening? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:00:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:00:53 AM EDT
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President Putin says Russian fighter jet was downed on Syrian territory 4km from Turkish border - @Reuters4km? That's nothing. The aircraft could have easily flew much farther than that after being hit. It doesn't prove it wasn't inside Turkey when engaged. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:02:35 AM EDT
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So when do Turkish refugees start pouring into our cities?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:02:58 AM EDT
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... well then, don't fucking violate Turkish airspace
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:04:06 AM EDT
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So does anyone know what hashtag Obama will be using to solve this?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:04:15 AM EDT
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maybe we'll put Jupiter missiles back in Turkey
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:04:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So does anyone know what hashtag Obama will be using to solve this? #ClimateChangeCausedTurkeyToShootItDown |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:05:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So does anyone know what hashtag Obama will be using to solve this? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:05:21 AM EDT
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NM/....
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:06:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: #ClimateChangeCausedTurkeyToShootItDown Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So does anyone know what hashtag Obama will be using to solve this? #ClimateChangeCausedTurkeyToShootItDown |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:06:46 AM EDT
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maybe we'll put Jupiter missiles back in Turkey I'd rather LAND some jupiter missiles IN Turkey. Ergodan is throttling them towards their on Caliphate. Fuck them. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:08:01 AM EDT
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Its called work place violence!
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:08:40 AM EDT
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RT
?@RT_com 'Do they want NATO to serve the interests of #ISIS?' - Putin on Turkey downing Russian jet |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:09:08 AM EDT
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Yes,they can take the scenic route from Saint Petersburg but everything heavy they have sent so far has come from Novorossiysk through the Bosporus. Relying fully upon the air bridge would be a bit like if the US tried to fight in Iraq without the ability to use Kuwait. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Russia has to transit Turkey to resupply Syria,operative word is "has" as they sure can't move everything they need by air. War with Turkey is not even remotely an option. While I am no fan of Turks,seeing a Sukhoi on fire makes me all warm and happy inside. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No they don't. Tartus is a long standing Russian Naval base and they established an air bridge over Iran and Iraq. linky Yes,they can take the scenic route from Saint Petersburg but everything heavy they have sent so far has come from Novorossiysk through the Bosporus. Relying fully upon the air bridge would be a bit like if the US tried to fight in Iraq without the ability to use Kuwait. You remember they took Crimea and are currently pissing on eastern Ukraine right? Not to mention its not a long flight over the Caspian Sea through Iran to drop off supplies. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:09:14 AM EDT
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The Russians dont want any of the Turks in the Turks front yard. The Turks army is one of the biggest and it is all in that region.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:10:48 AM EDT
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Just for gigs... there's not much else to do now
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:11:07 AM EDT
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Hmmmm, interesting....not sure if GD wants me to be happy or enraged about this though. Neither. Be afraid. Be Very Afraid. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:12:14 AM EDT
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What If it was 1 of ours shot down by some country that has been sitting on the sidelines and is suspect in possibly helping ISIS? At the least ignoring their comings and goings across the border. Bear gonna be pissed. Wouldn't want to be a Turk manning any missile sites near the border. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All kidding aside, how big of a deal is this. Is it a pivotal point? Hello me out here. What If it was 1 of ours shot down by some country that has been sitting on the sidelines and is suspect in possibly helping ISIS? At the least ignoring their comings and goings across the border. Bear gonna be pissed. Wouldn't want to be a Turk manning any missile sites near the border. Or if Putin decides to park a bunch of S-400's over there those fly boys better watch out. I would not want to be turkey getting into a pissing matching with the russians looking at the US for support right about now. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:12:17 AM EDT
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RT ?@RT_com 'Do they want NATO to serve the interests of #ISIS?' - Putin on Turkey downing Russian jet Funny coming from him |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:13:02 AM EDT
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So if the helicopter was trying to recover the pilots which ended up in Syria, why did itnget shot down? Unless it wasn't the Turks that brought it down.
This is really messed up. My pucker factor is at defcon 3. V |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:13:28 AM EDT
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The problem is that Assad is a "whole loaf or nothing" kind of guy. I don't King of a Rump Alawite Kingdom is in the cards, and I think the only reason the Turks would allow it to exist is to keep the Kurds from having an outlet to the sea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Realistically,the very best that can happen in Syria is a Lebanon like solution. How long did that take to work out and how well? Putin is not dumb enough to use his forces to attempt to take Syria's pre-revolt borders. I believe his goal was to attempt to take the pressure off of Assad and force the GCC into backing some sort of political solution. The problem is that Assad is a "whole loaf or nothing" kind of guy. I don't King of a Rump Alawite Kingdom is in the cards, and I think the only reason the Turks would allow it to exist is to keep the Kurds from having an outlet to the sea. True,Bashir wants his whole cake but how does he take it back? It would have to become Eastern Iran with the IRGC effectively occupying the country;there sure aren't enough Alawi and loyalist Sunnis/Christians left. Of course,Putin does add a bit of legitimacy to Turkey needing to protect their kin via the Crimean/Novorossiyan model and yup,if they "protect" the northwestern chunk that means any Kurdistan doesn't get an outlet to the Med. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:13:41 AM EDT
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A) Turkey is a member of NATO. USA has a mutual defense agreement with Turkey.
B) US troops and aircraft are stationed in Turkey C) Turkey downs Russian military jet D) NATO is like "WTF" turkey Consider this, NATO country intentionally downs Russian military Jet, yet not a peep out of the US president...... We call that 'exceptional leadership'. 
Brussels (AFP) - NATO allies will hold an "extraordinary" meeting Tuesday at Ankara's request to discuss Turkey's shooting down of a Russian fighter jet along the Syrian border, an alliance official said.
"At the request of Turkey, the North Atlantic Council will hold an extraordinary meeting at (1600 GMT). The aim of this extraordinary NAC is for Turkey to inform Allies about the downing of a Russian airplane," the official told AFP. E) Russia calls Turkey a terrorist. Putin warns Turkey of “significant consequences”. Speaking ahead of his meeting with King Abdullah II of Jordan in Sochi, the Russian leader said: This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey. Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists. Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe. We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:14:33 AM EDT
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So... -was the plane downed by Turkish jets or ground fire -who killed the pilot -was the plane in Syria or Turkey -was the plane, in fact, bombing Turkmen in Syria, an ethnic group Turkey told Russia not to target -what does this all mean in the grander scheme of things given that Turkey is a NATO-ish country "These questions—and many others—will be answered in the next episode of...Soap." |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:16:02 AM EDT
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Kick Turkey out of NATO.
The Turks are just as bad as the Russians. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:16:20 AM EDT
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Russia Today live stream on YouTube
Pundits making claim Turkey is supporting ISIS and basically creating casus belli |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:17:48 AM EDT
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Couple of well placed Russian nukes and they can go about their business of slapping ISIS without Turkish interference. sure, Russia will risk nuclear war over this. Turkey is NATO. A nuke strike on Turkey would be the end of most of us.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:18:53 AM EDT
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Russia Today live stream on YouTube Pundits making claim Turkey is supporting ISIS and basically creating casus belli Turkey is supporting ISIS. The press has reported for the past year how Turkey allows foreigners into its country to join ISIS. When Turkey finally joined the fight, they did not attack ISIS, they attacked Kurds. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:20:25 AM EDT
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True,Bashir wants his whole cake but how does he take it back? It would have to become Eastern Iran with the IRGC effectively occupying the country;there sure aren't enough Alawi and loyalist Sunnis/Christians left. Of course,Putin does add a bit of legitimacy to Turkey needing to protect their kin via the Crimean/Novorossiyan model and yup,if they "protect" the northwestern chunk that means any Kurdistan doesn't get an outlet to the Med. I think Assad truly believes he's the President of a pre-2011 Syria. I don't think he gets that he and Awesome Qassem destroyed it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:22:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In before the glowy radioactive portion of it then? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In before WW3. In before the glowy radioactive portion of it then? 
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