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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:13:18 PM EDT
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. What if they shoot down an American or coalition jet ? From this president? I seriously doubt there will be a military response. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:18:10 PM EDT
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From this president? I seriously doubt there will be a military response. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. What if they shoot down an American or coalition jet ? From this president? I seriously doubt there will be a military response. We may drop leaflets on the russians. There is the slight possibility they could lose a turbine if there jets ingest some. 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:21:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:27:03 PM EDT
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I'm not saying its truth or fact I'm just posting information for people to read and make their own decisions. Its already been been said by a retired US General on FOX that this looks like a pre-planned shootdown. If you don't RT articles then simply don't read them I post sources from all sides to gather as much information as possible but every news source so far has its own propaganda so you decide to what to believe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Downing of Russian Su-24 looks like a planned provocation - Lavrovhttps://www.rt.com/news/323404-lavrov-syria-s24-turkey/ Russia Today What an objective news source, huh primorski? Everyone who might not know it yet, Russia Today is a disinformation apparatus of the Russian SVR, or foreign intelligence service. It was commissioned by Putin, and headed by Mikhail Lesin, who was found dead in a hotel earlier this month. Anyone who knowingly uses RT as a source should acknowledge that in their posts. Do you think the Russians are going to admit that they heard the Turkish warnings on the international emergency freqs? Do you think the Russians are going to admit any wrongdoing in this turd show? Never. Russians don't apologize, because it is seen as weakness. I'm not saying its truth or fact I'm just posting information for people to read and make their own decisions. Its already been been said by a retired US General on FOX that this looks like a pre-planned shootdown. If you don't RT articles then simply don't read them I post sources from all sides to gather as much information as possible but every news source so far has its own propaganda so you decide to what to believe. There's no possible way it was anything other than a pre-planned shootdown. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:28:45 PM EDT
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. What if they shoot down an American or coalition jet ? You mean the one of the Obama directed bombing missions that 75% return with their bombs unused? Those 9 sorties a week are largely for show and not intended to actually harm ISIS. U.S. military pilots who have returned from the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq are confirming that they were blocked from dropping 75 percent of their ordnance on terror targets because they could not get clearance to launch a strike, according to a leading member of Congress. “The fact that aircraft go on missions and don’t strike anything is not out of the norm,” the official said. http://freebeacon.com/national-security/us-pilots-confirm-obama-admin-blocks-75-percent-of-isis-strikes/ |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:35:52 PM EDT
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A look inside an S-400 missile assembly plant.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:58:28 PM EDT
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shale and the saudis did that, not isis. but you know that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh I agree. I'm just saying, Turkey doesn't deserve a pat on the back for this. They deserve to get whatever they get. Fucking morons (Turkey). you tell someone to stop entering their airspace and they dont. what are you going to do? Same thing you do when you tell someone to stop buying black market oil that led to the oil price manipulation that led to your economy crashing. shale and the saudis did that, not isis. but you know that The Saudis didn't do it in a vacuum. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:58:55 PM EDT
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there are radio transcripts of the Turkish pilots telling them multiple times on the guard channel to alter their course........... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Russian jet pilot says there were 'no warnings' by Turkey before plane was shot downRescued pilot of Russian jet shot down by the Turkish military has said he received no warning before his plane was downed. The airman who was extracted from rebel territory, after a 12 hour operation by Russian and Syrian special forces has said he couldn't possibly have flown over Turkish airspace, TASS newsagency reported. His revelations will further fuel a row between, Turkey and Russia with both countries saying the other was in the wrong.When the pilot was asked if he could have strayed into Turkish territory as Turkey claims, TASS reported that Captain Konstantin Murakhtin told Rossiya One TV channel: "No, this is out of the question even for a one-second possibility, as we were at the altitude of 6,000 meters and the weather was clear. "There were no warnings either via radio communication or optically. There were no contacts at all. That’s why we flew heading combat course as per normal," he said. "If they wanted to warn us they could have come out by flying on parallel courses. But this did not happen. And the missile came to our jet’ tail all of a sudden, We didn’t even see it to have time for missile evasive maneouvre." http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-jet-pilot-says-were-6898879  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBmL_5V9TSE
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:00:22 PM EDT
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“I gave the order myself” - Turkish PM on downing Russian plane
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu today revealed that he personally gave the order to down the Russian Su-24 fighter jet that lead to the death of one pilot.
“Despite all the warnings, we had had to destroy the aircraft” Davutoglu told a meeting of his AK party. “The Turkish Armed Forces carried out orders given by me personally” http://thinkpol.ca/2015/11/25/i-gave-the-order-myself-%E2%88%92-turkish-pm-on-downing-russian-plane/ |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:00:42 PM EDT
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. What if they shoot down an American or coalition jet ? Knowing our guy i bet he tells our guys to stay the fuck away from them. But what if they do? I hope they dont. what a cluster fuck of epic proportions. I dont think Zero has the stones to do dick about it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:02:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "I gave the order myself” - Turkish PM on downing Russian plane http://thinkpol.ca/2015/11/25/i-gave-the-order-myself-%E2%88%92-turkish-pm-on-downing-russian-plane/ Quote HistoryQuoted: "I gave the order myself” - Turkish PM on downing Russian plane Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu today revealed that he personally gave the order to down the Russian Su-24 fighter jet that lead to the death of one pilot. "Despite all the warnings, we had had to destroy the aircraft” Davutoglu told a meeting of his AK party. "The Turkish Armed Forces carried out orders given by me personally” http://thinkpol.ca/2015/11/25/i-gave-the-order-myself-%E2%88%92-turkish-pm-on-downing-russian-plane/ |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:03:08 PM EDT
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. some S400 missiles boast ranges of 400 Kilometers. Even at half that distance its got longer legs than a harm. I bet once they come online turkey takes a much less aggressive posture. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:08:44 PM EDT
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On Fox they said a pentagon source said that the F-16 fired on the SU-24 as it just entered into Turkish airspace for a brief moment. By then the missile was already on it way traveling @30 seconds to hit the SU-24. The SU-24 was hit by the missile in Syrian airspace.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:11:03 PM EDT
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This sure makes a lot of assumptions. Seems like making those assumptions is going to cost the tax payers of the west BILLIONS (billion, did i say billions? I meant TRILLIONS) of dollars in military expenditures over the course of the next 1000 years. Damn sure ain't nothing changing in that region, and i'd rather pay more at the pump until the always innovative american economy makes fossil fuels irrelevant than pay that money to crackpots in the middle east and back it up with the blood of americas boys. I seriously don't understand the decades old mentality that keeps us kissing the saudi's asses at every opportunity. They are over, and can go ride camels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't agree that the US and EU should pull out of the Middle East, because the consequences are Iran flexing more muscle over the Strait of Hormuz, and destabilization of the global energy trade markets. Even though the US is fine on Western Hemisphere oil, Iranian hegemony will raise the price of oil to the point that the high consumption Asian markets will go to Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela for more reliable sources as the Middle East deals with Iranian bullying. This sure makes a lot of assumptions. Seems like making those assumptions is going to cost the tax payers of the west BILLIONS (billion, did i say billions? I meant TRILLIONS) of dollars in military expenditures over the course of the next 1000 years. Damn sure ain't nothing changing in that region, and i'd rather pay more at the pump until the always innovative american economy makes fossil fuels irrelevant than pay that money to crackpots in the middle east and back it up with the blood of americas boys. I seriously don't understand the decades old mentality that keeps us kissing the saudi's asses at every opportunity. They are over, and can go ride camels. I'm just here to listen to how the innovative American economy is going to make fossil fuels obsolete. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:13:07 PM EDT
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“I gave the order myself” - Turkish PM on downing Russian plane http://thinkpol.ca/2015/11/25/i-gave-the-order-myself-%E2%88%92-turkish-pm-on-downing-russian-plane/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
“I gave the order myself” - Turkish PM on downing Russian plane Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu today revealed that he personally gave the order to down the Russian Su-24 fighter jet that lead to the death of one pilot.
“Despite all the warnings, we had had to destroy the aircraft” Davutoglu told a meeting of his AK party. “The Turkish Armed Forces carried out orders given by me personally” http://thinkpol.ca/2015/11/25/i-gave-the-order-myself-%E2%88%92-turkish-pm-on-downing-russian-plane/ Yeah, I think I would have kept quiet about that. Say it was the pilots discrestion. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:13:39 PM EDT
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I think it's obvious to anyone with any sense at all that this was planned in advance and essentially amounts to an ambush. What the hell is Turkey doing? I've reached the conclusion that Russia is actually telling the truth here. Turkey is pissed that their bros in northern Syria are getting bombed, and they're also pissed that the black market oil trade with ISIS is being interrupted.
Fuck you Turkey. I hope NATO tells those fuckers they're on their own and I hope the Russian response is harsh. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: some S400 missiles boast ranges of 400 Kilometers. Even at half that distance its got longer legs than a harm. I bet once they come online turkey takes a much less aggressive posture. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if Turkey has access to HARM missiles? Quoted: Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. some S400 missiles boast ranges of 400 Kilometers. Even at half that distance its got longer legs than a harm. I bet once they come online turkey takes a much less aggressive posture. The S-400 defensive bubble. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3316195/Vladimir-Putin-deploys-advanced-Growler-anti-aircraft-missile-Syria-able-hit-jets-altitude-90-000-feet-far-away-Tel-Aviv.html  |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:18:40 PM EDT
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Russia bombed some dirt and trucks,there are 2 fewer Russians,the world is a slightly better place but nothing earth shattering has changed.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:22:02 PM EDT
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The S-400 defensive bubble. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3316195/Vladimir-Putin-deploys-advanced-Growler-anti-aircraft-missile-Syria-able-hit-jets-altitude-90-000-feet-far-away-Tel-Aviv.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/13/01/2E64D1E100000578-3316195-image-a-37_1447377841705.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. some S400 missiles boast ranges of 400 Kilometers. Even at half that distance its got longer legs than a harm. I bet once they come online turkey takes a much less aggressive posture. The S-400 defensive bubble. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3316195/Vladimir-Putin-deploys-advanced-Growler-anti-aircraft-missile-Syria-able-hit-jets-altitude-90-000-feet-far-away-Tel-Aviv.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/13/01/2E64D1E100000578-3316195-image-a-37_1447377841705.jpg Basically the commies are running Air Defense for ISIS |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:23:37 PM EDT
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“I gave the order myself” - Turkish PM on downing Russian plane http://thinkpol.ca/2015/11/25/i-gave-the-order-myself-%E2%88%92-turkish-pm-on-downing-russian-plane/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
“I gave the order myself” - Turkish PM on downing Russian plane Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu today revealed that he personally gave the order to down the Russian Su-24 fighter jet that lead to the death of one pilot.
“Despite all the warnings, we had had to destroy the aircraft” Davutoglu told a meeting of his AK party. “The Turkish Armed Forces carried out orders given by me personally” http://thinkpol.ca/2015/11/25/i-gave-the-order-myself-%E2%88%92-turkish-pm-on-downing-russian-plane/ Quoted:
EDIT: I don't think this incident was intentional. Border units under high stress, including air CAP forces, make split second decisions that result in mistakes that have the potential to snowball into major political snafus. Its why the Red Phone was installed in the White House/Kremlin, because these sorts of things are guaranteed to happen, but might be accidental. I will bet that this incident is blamed on an overzealous Turkish pilot. Its an easy out, avoids wars. Some reparations and a public admittance that it was an accident and it will blow over. I'm sure Obama's people are working on arranging it right now, its the easiest, least costly means of dealing with this situation. "Listen hear Mr. Erdogan, if you don't blame this on your pilots and apologize to Russia, calling it a mistake, then I wont support our NATO alliance, you're on your own." A simple sentence like this means the situation is over, for now. Though the threat of it happening again remains. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:24:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's obvious to anyone with any sense at all that this was planned in advance and essentially amounts to an ambush. What the hell is Turkey doing? I've reached the conclusion that Russia is actually telling the truth here. Turkey is pissed that their bros in northern Syria are getting bombed, and they're also pissed that the black market oil trade with ISIS is being interrupted. Fuck you Turkey. I hope NATO tells those fuckers they're on their own and I hope the Russian response is harsh. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:26:44 PM EDT
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. some S400 missiles boast ranges of 400 Kilometers. Even at half that distance its got longer legs than a harm. I bet once they come online turkey takes a much less aggressive posture. The S-400 defensive bubble. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3316195/Vladimir-Putin-deploys-advanced-Growler-anti-aircraft-missile-Syria-able-hit-jets-altitude-90-000-feet-far-away-Tel-Aviv.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/13/01/2E64D1E100000578-3316195-image-a-37_1447377841705.jpg Basically the commies are running Air Defense for ISIS Turkey isn't communist, but yes that does seem to be what the Turks are attempting. I wouldn't call the USA communist either, and although our efforts against ISIS are a joke, we're not providing air defense either. Russia isn't communist and clearly they're the only ones actually doing anything worth a damn in Syria. Who exactly are the commies you're referring to? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:27:19 PM EDT
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Downing of Russian Su-24 looks like a planned provocation - Lavrovhttps://www.rt.com/news/323404-lavrov-syria-s24-turkey/ Russia Today What an objective news source, huh primorski? Everyone who might not know it yet, Russia Today is a disinformation apparatus of the Russian SVR, or foreign intelligence service. It was commissioned by Putin, and headed by Mikhail Lesin, who was found dead in a hotel earlier this month. Anyone who knowingly uses RT as a source should acknowledge that in their posts. Do you think the Russians are going to admit that they heard the Turkish warnings on the international emergency freqs? Do you think the Russians are going to admit any wrongdoing in this turd show? Never. Russians don't apologize, because it is seen as weakness. I'm not saying its truth or fact I'm just posting information for people to read and make their own decisions. Its already been been said by a retired US General on FOX that this looks like a pre-planned shootdown. If you don't RT articles then simply don't read them I post sources from all sides to gather as much information as possible but every news source so far has its own propaganda so you decide to what to believe. There's no possible way it was anything other than a pre-planned shootdown. But, the Turks could only have pre-planned it because of countless prior incursions into their airspace by Russian aircraft. Russia knew exactly what their aircraft were doing, and they got called on it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:41:22 PM EDT
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On Fox they said a pentagon source said that the F-16 fired on the SU-24 as it just entered into Turkish airspace for a brief moment. By then the missile was already on it way traveling @30 seconds to hit the SU-24. The SU-24 was hit by the missile in Syrian airspace. Has US DoD confirmed that the Russian plane did violate Turkish airspace? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:51:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:57:10 PM EDT
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But, the Turks could only have pre-planned it because of countless prior incursions into their airspace by Russian aircraft. Russia knew exactly what their aircraft were doing, and they got called on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's no possible way it was anything other than a pre-planned shootdown. But, the Turks could only have pre-planned it because of countless prior incursions into their airspace by Russian aircraft. Russia knew exactly what their aircraft were doing, and they got called on it. How many is countless? Russia admitted one on Oct. 4 as a mistake where the plane entered for a few seconds and I only found maybe 2 other times Turkey accused Russia of violations. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:13:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis is the reason for all that Ukraine nonsense. We keep pushing closer and closer until we have NATO bases in downtown Moscow. Russia wants her buffer. Truth be told she's surrounded and afraid, and always paranoid. Especially when it's neighbors/former colonies are involved. There is no need to keep up this nonsense. It's only going to make them more of a cornered animal prone to lashing out. There will never be T-72s storming through the Fulda, lets stop poking. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:15:00 PM EDT
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I don't agree that the US and EU should pull out of the Middle East, because the consequences are Iran flexing more muscle over the Strait of Hormuz, and destabilization of the global energy trade markets. Even though the US is fine on Western Hemisphere oil, Iranian hegemony will raise the price of oil to the point that the high consumption Asian markets will go to Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela for more reliable sources as the Middle East deals with Iranian bullying. This sure makes a lot of assumptions. Seems like making those assumptions is going to cost the tax payers of the west BILLIONS (billion, did i say billions? I meant TRILLIONS) of dollars in military expenditures over the course of the next 1000 years. Damn sure ain't nothing changing in that region, and i'd rather pay more at the pump until the always innovative american economy makes fossil fuels irrelevant than pay that money to crackpots in the middle east and back it up with the blood of americas boys. I seriously don't understand the decades old mentality that keeps us kissing the saudi's asses at every opportunity. They are over, and can go ride camels. I'm just here to listen to how the innovative American economy is going to make fossil fuels obsolete. I'm not here to tell you that while sitting here in mom's basement, in between monitoring GD I've cracked cold fusion...... But let's not pretend that if oil went to $200 a barrel that something would be unpossible. Again, with the constantly improving extraction techniques, it doesn't even need to become obsolete. Point is, we don't need oil from them anymore at what it's costing us. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:18:35 PM EDT
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I'm not here to tell you that while sitting here in mom's basement, in between monitoring GD I've cracked cold fusion...... But let's not pretend that if oil went to $200 a barrel that something would be unpossible. Again, with the constantly improving extraction techniques, it doesn't even need to become obsolete. Point is, we don't need oil from them anymore at what it's costing us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't agree that the US and EU should pull out of the Middle East, because the consequences are Iran flexing more muscle over the Strait of Hormuz, and destabilization of the global energy trade markets. Even though the US is fine on Western Hemisphere oil, Iranian hegemony will raise the price of oil to the point that the high consumption Asian markets will go to Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela for more reliable sources as the Middle East deals with Iranian bullying. This sure makes a lot of assumptions. Seems like making those assumptions is going to cost the tax payers of the west BILLIONS (billion, did i say billions? I meant TRILLIONS) of dollars in military expenditures over the course of the next 1000 years. Damn sure ain't nothing changing in that region, and i'd rather pay more at the pump until the always innovative american economy makes fossil fuels irrelevant than pay that money to crackpots in the middle east and back it up with the blood of americas boys. I seriously don't understand the decades old mentality that keeps us kissing the saudi's asses at every opportunity. They are over, and can go ride camels. I'm just here to listen to how the innovative American economy is going to make fossil fuels obsolete. I'm not here to tell you that while sitting here in mom's basement, in between monitoring GD I've cracked cold fusion...... But let's not pretend that if oil went to $200 a barrel that something would be unpossible. Again, with the constantly improving extraction techniques, it doesn't even need to become obsolete. Point is, we don't need oil from them anymore at what it's costing us. If oil goes through $200/bbl it would be even more unpossible for it to be more unobsolete. But your theories on economics and energy and extraction techniques intrigue me. Please tell me more... |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:37:50 PM EDT
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I don't agree that the US and EU should pull out of the Middle East, because the consequences are Iran flexing more muscle over the Strait of Hormuz, and destabilization of the global energy trade markets. Even though the US is fine on Western Hemisphere oil, Iranian hegemony will raise the price of oil to the point that the high consumption Asian markets will go to Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela for more reliable sources as the Middle East deals with Iranian bullying. This sure makes a lot of assumptions. Seems like making those assumptions is going to cost the tax payers of the west BILLIONS (billion, did i say billions? I meant TRILLIONS) of dollars in military expenditures over the course of the next 1000 years. Damn sure ain't nothing changing in that region, and i'd rather pay more at the pump until the always innovative american economy makes fossil fuels irrelevant than pay that money to crackpots in the middle east and back it up with the blood of americas boys. I seriously don't understand the decades old mentality that keeps us kissing the saudi's asses at every opportunity. They are over, and can go ride camels. I'm just here to listen to how the innovative American economy is going to make fossil fuels obsolete. I'm not here to tell you that while sitting here in mom's basement, in between monitoring GD I've cracked cold fusion...... But let's not pretend that if oil went to $200 a barrel that something would be unpossible. Again, with the constantly improving extraction techniques, it doesn't even need to become obsolete. Point is, we don't need oil from them anymore at what it's costing us. If oil goes through $200/bbl it would be even more unpossible for it to be more unobsolete. But your theories on economics and energy and extraction techniques intrigue me. Please tell me more... Very convincing counter argument. You have converted me. After all, the high cost of oil over the last 5 years certainly didn't drive improvements in fracking. Silly me. Back to the cold fusion plans
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:40:17 PM EDT
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This is the reason for all that Ukraine nonsense. We keep pushing closer and closer until we have NATO bases in downtown Moscow. Russia wants her buffer. Truth be told she's surrounded and afraid, and always paranoid. Especially when it's neighbors/former colonies are involved. There is no need to keep up this nonsense. It's only going to make them more of a cornered animal prone to lashing out. There will never be T-72s storming through the Fulda, lets stop poking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is the reason for all that Ukraine nonsense. We keep pushing closer and closer until we have NATO bases in downtown Moscow. Russia wants her buffer. Truth be told she's surrounded and afraid, and always paranoid. Especially when it's neighbors/former colonies are involved. There is no need to keep up this nonsense. It's only going to make them more of a cornered animal prone to lashing out. There will never be T-72s storming through the Fulda, lets stop poking. truth be told Russia was absolutely defenseless after 1991 up until 2000 or so, they could have been overrun by a boy scout troop and a dogsled team, and nothing happened. the reason NATO has a presence is because Russia occasionally forgets to stop invading and occupying smaller countries. these smaller countries want the security of a larger association to prevent invasion. like Georgia and Ukraine wish they had now. Fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:45:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:47:33 PM EDT
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The NATO alliance is badly out of date, and we're really fucking dumb for allowing ourselves to be a in position where fucking Turkey can drag us into a war with Russia. Fuck Turkey, we should kick them the fuck out of NATO and let Russia kick the shit out of them.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:05:30 PM EDT
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Very convincing counter argument. You have converted me. After all, the high cost of oil over the last 5 years certainly didn't drive improvements in fracking. Silly me. Back to the cold fusion plans
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This sure makes a lot of assumptions. Seems like making those assumptions is going to cost the tax payers of the west BILLIONS (billion, did i say billions? I meant TRILLIONS) of dollars in military expenditures over the course of the next 1000 years. Damn sure ain't nothing changing in that region, and i'd rather pay more at the pump until the always innovative american economy makes fossil fuels irrelevant than pay that money to crackpots in the middle east and back it up with the blood of americas boys. I seriously don't understand the decades old mentality that keeps us kissing the saudi's asses at every opportunity. They are over, and can go ride camels. I'm just here to listen to how the innovative American economy is going to make fossil fuels obsolete. I'm not here to tell you that while sitting here in mom's basement, in between monitoring GD I've cracked cold fusion...... But let's not pretend that if oil went to $200 a barrel that something would be unpossible. Again, with the constantly improving extraction techniques, it doesn't even need to become obsolete. Point is, we don't need oil from them anymore at what it's costing us. If oil goes through $200/bbl it would be even more unpossible for it to be more unobsolete. But your theories on economics and energy and extraction techniques intrigue me. Please tell me more... Very convincing counter argument. You have converted me. After all, the high cost of oil over the last 5 years certainly didn't drive improvements in fracking. Silly me. Back to the cold fusion plans
Fracking technology will never make fossil fuels obsolete. Please to reread your original post; I made sure it was in the quote tree so it would be easy for you. But please, continue with your thoughts on fracking technology, I find them interesting. 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The NATO alliance is badly out of date, and we're really fucking dumb for allowing ourselves to be a in position where fucking Turkey can drag us into a war with Russia. Fuck Turkey, we should kick them the fuck out of NATO and let Russia kick the shit out of them.  . Let's shoot down a Russian jet and then run to NATO so Russia won't be allowed to fly around our border. Dumbfucks won't be able to fly around their own border now. Then they claimed they were working with the opposition rebels to return the two pilots, retards. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:14:20 PM EDT
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Fracking technology will never make fossil fuels obsolete. Please to reread your original post; I made sure it was in the quote tree so it would be easy for you. But please, continue with your thoughts on fracking technology, I find them interesting. <a href="http://s400.photobucket.com/user/223556762308/media/IMG_6559_zpsd2028dc6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp84/223556762308/IMG_6559_zpsd2028dc6.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm just here to listen to how the innovative American economy is going to make fossil fuels obsolete. I'm not here to tell you that while sitting here in mom's basement, in between monitoring GD I've cracked cold fusion...... But let's not pretend that if oil went to $200 a barrel that something would be unpossible. Again, with the constantly improving extraction techniques, it doesn't even need to become obsolete. Point is, we don't need oil from them anymore at what it's costing us. If oil goes through $200/bbl it would be even more unpossible for it to be more unobsolete. But your theories on economics and energy and extraction techniques intrigue me. Please tell me more... Very convincing counter argument. You have converted me. After all, the high cost of oil over the last 5 years certainly didn't drive improvements in fracking. Silly me. Back to the cold fusion plans
Fracking technology will never make fossil fuels obsolete. Please to reread your original post; I made sure it was in the quote tree so it would be easy for you. But please, continue with your thoughts on fracking technology, I find them interesting. <a href="http://s400.photobucket.com/user/223556762308/media/IMG_6559_zpsd2028dc6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp84/223556762308/IMG_6559_zpsd2028dc6.jpg</a> Got it. Reading comp is a bit down tonight for you. No problem, i'm right there with you, i just don't like that canadian stuff. Carry on. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:20:42 PM EDT
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. What's Israel's position on the S400? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:26:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:37:28 PM EDT
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Stay the fuck outta their airspace and your shit won't get shot out of the air.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:47:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:29:43 AM EDT
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. Likely, but the S400 outranges the HARM by about 100km. Plus I believe the Russian CIWS systems can shoot down anti-radiation missiles. All this is theoretical of of course. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:52:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:37:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You guys know that RT is Russian State propaganda, right? so is Time and CNN No. Well, I'm convinced. Excellent post. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:40:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's obvious to anyone with any sense at all that this was planned in advance and essentially amounts to an ambush. What the hell is Turkey doing? I've reached the conclusion that Russia is actually telling the truth here. Turkey is pissed that their bros in northern Syria are getting bombed, and they're also pissed that the black market oil trade with ISIS is being interrupted. Fuck you Turkey. I hope NATO tells those fuckers they're on their own and I hope the Russian response is harsh. Turkey is trying to make Russia the bad guy so everyone forgets that their buddies the Jihadist goatfuckers are the real bad guys here. So are a few people here on Arfcom. Sorry, the Cold War is fucking over, and the Soviet Union didn't run airplanes into the twin towers, or gun down a bunch of innocents in Paris... |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:44:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 3:42:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 3:46:17 AM EDT
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The S-400 defensive bubble. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3316195/Vladimir-Putin-deploys-advanced-Growler-anti-aircraft-missile-Syria-able-hit-jets-altitude-90-000-feet-far-away-Tel-Aviv.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/13/01/2E64D1E100000578-3316195-image-a-37_1447377841705.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Things are going to get very interesting once the S400 systems are set up. Almost guaranteed that Turkey will lose an F-16 soon. some S400 missiles boast ranges of 400 Kilometers. Even at half that distance its got longer legs than a harm. I bet once they come online turkey takes a much less aggressive posture. The S-400 defensive bubble. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3316195/Vladimir-Putin-deploys-advanced-Growler-anti-aircraft-missile-Syria-able-hit-jets-altitude-90-000-feet-far-away-Tel-Aviv.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/13/01/2E64D1E100000578-3316195-image-a-37_1447377841705.jpg The S-400 is an impressive system. It badly out ranges the U.S. Patriot system. For this reason, I'd love to see PATRIOT/MEADS systems replace the PAC-3 missile with the Israeli Stunner missile, which would basically double its range out to about 90 miles while also being far less expensive. And I would love to see Raytheon develop a land mobile version of the SM-6 missile used by the U.S. Navy. That system has a range out to about 230 miles and would give our land based forces an air defense system with the same sort of range as the S-400. It would also allow for off-board sensors to help guide the missile, to include aircraft, AWACS, ships or other ground radar stations in a network, giving it an over the horizon capability. We have the best air force in the world with some highly capable platforms and skilled pilots. Even so, I would still like to see us take air defense a bit more seriously and field systems that take advantage of our latest capabilities.PATRIOT has served us well but is beginning to get a bit long in the tooth and just doesn't compare favorably to the S-400 system. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 4:27:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 4:31:32 AM EDT
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Downing of Russian Su-24 looks like a planned provocation - LavrovWell, if there is one thing on the planet Sergei Lavrov is the fucking expert on, it's planned provocations. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 4:32:35 AM EDT
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