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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:07:35 PM EDT
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No, they refer to men as dickheads, assholes, and egomaniacs when men are difficult to work with.
There seems to be this idea that if a dude is a pain in the ass to deal with that he's respected for it. He's not...he's often regarded quite poorly for it. I've dealt with a lot of dickheads, assholes, and egomaniacs over the years. The fact that they had a penis did not make me respect their dickish, assholish, egomaniacal behavior. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:07:41 PM EDT
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"It’s hard for me to speak about my experience as a working woman because I can safely say my problems aren’t exactly relatable. When the Sony hack happened and I found out how much less I was being paid than the lucky people with dicks, I didn’t get mad at Sony. I got mad at myself. I failed as a negotiator because I gave up early." That's a common problem for women, they seem to be terrible wage negotiators. And she accepts the blame, so good on her. But does she not have an agent to do this? Let your agent do his/her job for crying out loud. "A few weeks ago at work, I spoke my mind and gave my opinion in a clear and no-bullshit way; no aggression, just blunt. The man I was working with (actually, he was working for me) said, “Whoa! We’re all on the same team here!” As if I was yelling at him. I was so shocked because nothing that I said was personal, offensive, or, to be honest, wrong. All I hear and see all day are men speaking their opinions, and I give mine in the same exact manner, and you would have thought I had said something offensive." I like JLaw but I guarantee she was yelling at that guy and being a total bitch. I don't imagine her being very reserved when expressing a strong opinion in private. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:07:50 PM EDT
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She's in, what, the top 2 <0.5% of wage earners in the world and she's complaining? |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:08:02 PM EDT
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I think her real problem is that she just realized that as her breast sags, her earning power will be sagging with them. That said, not many men can get paid just to look pretty. Most likely, women get paid less in the movie industry because they are more readily replaceable. A set of nice, natural tits with staying power is truly a wonder. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:08:11 PM EDT
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If she is smart she's putting half of that money in a retirement account
If not she will be doing capital one commercials pretty soon. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:12:23 PM EDT
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Don't care... Still... NOT GUILTY!!!
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:12:41 PM EDT
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I wonder what she thinks about Trump?
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:12:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She sounds hysterical. She sounds badly in need of some dick. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:12:53 PM EDT
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Why is Lena Dunham even being mentioned? Literally nothing about the quote seems to relate to her... 
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:13:53 PM EDT
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Her nekkid pics were top notch. Top. Notch. I concur |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:14:34 PM EDT
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She's the girl from Hunger Games right? What men in those films are getting paid more than her? Yes, the girl with cum all over her face. Hard to take her serious after all that. LOL |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:15:12 PM EDT
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If she wants, there's a type of media where guys get paid so much less.
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:17:55 PM EDT
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Dear Ms. Lawrence:
Hollywood doesn't care what's between your legs or if you can act, or even if you can read and write. Their sole concern is whether or not you can sell movie tickets. Male leads sell more movie tickets than female leads. If they thought you could put as many asses in seats as Tom Cruise, they'd pay you what they pay Tom Cruise. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:20:14 PM EDT
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She's in, what, the top 2% of wage earners in the world and she's complaining? Lonely at the top. 
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:20:52 PM EDT
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So she's already loaded, chalk it up to a learning experience and negotiate better for your next movies.
Sheesh. Just be careful, there are 87 million young pretty girls who will do it cheaper, so have your ducks lined up, because this train could end for you and you'll be an outsider before you know it. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:20:54 PM EDT
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I just read the quoted portion of the article... but she's just pointing out people's reaction to her trying to negotiate a better deal for herself... Lol. She said she was mad at herself for not negotiating more for her. Is GD reading the same quoted portion of the article? And if men are reacting that way to a woman in the work place, maybe they should get the sand out of their own vaginas lol.
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:21:35 PM EDT
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If she showed her tits and snatch on screen I might be inclined to catch the dvd release of whatever she's in otherwise stfu.
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:21:51 PM EDT
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And how exactly does one determine or know that others are no more valuable than they are? Fun fact: If someone is willing to pay someone else more than you to do the work, they are apparently more valuable than you in the eyes of the employer, whether you "know" you're equal to them or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Taking gender out of it, if you found out that you were being paid far less than others around you that you KNEW were no more "valuable" than you, you'd be pissed. And how exactly does one determine or know that others are no more valuable than they are? Fun fact: If someone is willing to pay someone else more than you to do the work, they are apparently more valuable than you in the eyes of the employer, whether you "know" you're equal to them or not. Sometimes you KNOW, sometimes you don't. That is the big question, isn't it? And the thing also seemed to be, she feels that she SHOULD have negotiated for more. Would the studios have paid more, had she asked for it? If she's valuable, probably. She says she was also mad at herself for not pushing for more. The creative world can be complex. I am a big fan of classical and orchestral music, and I've realized that few of my favorite composers are women. Sure, singers, soloists, musicians are women, but not composers. Why is that? It's not because women aren't as "creative" or as "musical." I think it's in large part because we're so used composers being male. I'm used to it. I've been reading about this in the art world. Even though most artists are liberal, how it's far more common for a male artist to get their art featured and sold in a fancy art gallery. Art schools have their fair share of female graduates, but why aren't these women getting as many art shows as men? Is it because men are more assertive? I think that has a lot to do with it. Is it because the gallery owners are more favorably inclined towards men? Perhaps, sometimes. Is it because all the men are more "talented"? (I do not believe that one! That's not been my observation at all.) I think it happens for the same reason that I'm "used" to my favorite composers being men. Because that's how it "always" has been. Whether or not there is some bias or unfairness in the case with Jennifer Lawrence, I don't know. But to think that nobody ever does this sort of thing anymore... I don't think that's the case. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:22:08 PM EDT
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If I found out that a lot of coworkers, who I didn't believe brought any more value to the job than I did, but they were getting paid a LOT more than me, I'd be pissed too, and I'd wish I were more assertive. are other people on her set getting paid more than her? Where do we see these numbers? That is the question. IF she is reacting to a reality, and that reality is that guys who aren't bringing in more income for the studio, aren't as big "stars," or are no bigger "stars," and are getting paid more just because, well hell yeah I'd be pissed if I were her. Wouldn't you? Taking gender out of it, if you found out that you were being paid far less than others around you that you KNEW were no more "valuable" than you, you'd be pissed. Whether this is true or not in Lawrence's case, who knows. It wouldn't surprise me, though. Hollywood can be full of liberal hypocrites who talk equality but don't actually practice it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3075487/Hunger-Games-star-Jennifer-Lawrence-wins-Hollywood-gender-pay-gap-battle-paid-double-leading-man-s-wage-new-film.html Well that settles that particular question.
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:22:22 PM EDT
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If I found out that a lot of coworkers, who I didn't believe brought any more value to the job than I did, but they were getting paid a LOT more than me, I'd be pissed too, and I'd wish I were more assertive. +1. She made a fair argument for the reason she was a poor negotiator. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:22:26 PM EDT
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She's in, what, the top 2% of wage earners in the world and she's complaining? I thought she was the highest paid actress last year, or something close to that. People will find anything to bitch about
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:22:44 PM EDT
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If I found out that a lot of coworkers, who I didn't believe brought any more value to the job than I did, but they were getting paid a LOT more than me, I'd be pissed too, and I'd wish I were more assertive. It's none of your business what other people make. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:23:00 PM EDT
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I think you guys are reading way too much into this. She acknowledges she is at fault because she didn't negotiate for more. The worst thing you can say is she has the perception that men can negotiate harder because they aren't concerned about being well-liked as much as they are about being well-paid - and that is probably true.
Personally, I'd bet it has more to do with age than gender. It is generally easier to take advantage of younger people in negotiations because their expectations are less formed. Either way, I bet she negotiates harder next time around. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:24:24 PM EDT
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It's hard to take someone seriously when you google her name, click images and see her cum drenched face and spread asshole.
Apparently, she loves dicks. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:24:38 PM EDT
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If she wants, there's a type of media where guys get paid so much less. This. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:26:14 PM EDT
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Well, then! 
I have to admit, I've never heard of her leading man. IS he as big a "star" as she is? This is the issue. It's a big IF. IF she is being paid less than male stars who are not any "bigger" stars than her, bring no more to the box office, then she's got a right to be pissed. But IF it's just a matter of so-and-so male star is higher up on the fame food chain and that's why he's paid more, then suck it up buttercup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I found out that a lot of coworkers, who I didn't believe brought any more value to the job than I did, but they were getting paid a LOT more than me, I'd be pissed too, and I'd wish I were more assertive. are other people on her set getting paid more than her? Where do we see these numbers? That is the question. IF she is reacting to a reality, and that reality is that guys who aren't bringing in more income for the studio, aren't as big "stars," or are no bigger "stars," and are getting paid more just because, well hell yeah I'd be pissed if I were her. Wouldn't you? Taking gender out of it, if you found out that you were being paid far less than others around you that you KNEW were no more "valuable" than you, you'd be pissed. Whether this is true or not in Lawrence's case, who knows. It wouldn't surprise me, though. Hollywood can be full of liberal hypocrites who talk equality but don't actually practice it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3075487/Hunger-Games-star-Jennifer-Lawrence-wins-Hollywood-gender-pay-gap-battle-paid-double-leading-man-s-wage-new-film.html Well, then!
I have to admit, I've never heard of her leading man. IS he as big a "star" as she is? This is the issue. It's a big IF. IF she is being paid less than male stars who are not any "bigger" stars than her, bring no more to the box office, then she's got a right to be pissed. But IF it's just a matter of so-and-so male star is higher up on the fame food chain and that's why he's paid more, then suck it up buttercup. Her work is worth what she and her employer agreed that it was. That is the free market definition (and the only rational one, for that matter) of value. If she isn't getting paid as much as another actor, then by definition, her work is not of equal value. She has a right to be pissed. But instead of being pissed that the person who set her wage (herself), she's blaming "the patriarchy" for making her settle for less than what she now thinks her labor was worth. If she was smart, she'd take this as a life lesson and personal growth moment. Not a soap-box from which to blame everyone else for her mistakes. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:26:25 PM EDT
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She was angry over the fact that both Christian Bale and Bradley Cooper made more than her in American Hustle? Really?
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:30:39 PM EDT
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I bet she negotiates harder next time around. Yup. Something that experienced people in the biz have figured out is how to negotiate. Climbing to the top of the pile takes a skillset...and that's learned over time and by not being on the top of the pile a few times. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:31:34 PM EDT
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I'd still hit it. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:31:40 PM EDT
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It's hard to take someone seriously when you google her name, click images and see her cum drenched face and spread asshole. Apparently, she loves dicks. You sure that was her? I know she had some nudes leaked but I didn't think any of them showed that level of graphic detail with her. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:32:08 PM EDT
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And in this thread we discover that most of arfcom not only didn't read the article, they didn't even read the OP.
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:32:36 PM EDT
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When you dig through the bullshit it is a dispute over the back-end payout for American Hustle. Male actors like Christian Bale (aka Batman) and Jeremy Renner (Borne, Avengers) got 9% and Amy Adams and Jlaw got 7%. So it's hard to say if it is discrimination or just economics because you have very accomplished male actors she is comparing herself to.
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:33:46 PM EDT
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You sure that was her? I know she had some nudes leaked but I didn't think any of them showed that level of graphic detail with her. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's hard to take someone seriously when you google her name, click images and see her cum drenched face and spread asshole. Apparently, she loves dicks. You sure that was her? I know she had some nudes leaked but I didn't think any of them showed that level of graphic detail with her. She won the fappening award for most nudes published. Yes, it was her. Google her name and take your filter off. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:33:50 PM EDT
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If I found out that a lot of coworkers, who I didn't believe brought any more value to the job than I did, but they were getting paid a LOT more than me, I'd be pissed too, and I'd wish I were more assertive. It's none of your business what other people make. So you mean if you found out someone made more money than you, that you wouldn't be pissed that you weren't more assertive? If you were more assertive, you could have made more money too. Most people are upset when they lose an opportunity to make more money. If you're not one of these people, okay...
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:34:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure that was her? I know she had some nudes leaked but I didn't think any of them showed that level of graphic detail with her. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's hard to take someone seriously when you google her name, click images and see her cum drenched face and spread asshole. Apparently, she loves dicks. You sure that was her? I know she had some nudes leaked but I didn't think any of them showed that level of graphic detail with her. I don't think the facial pics are legit. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:34:47 PM EDT
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She won the fappening award for most nudes published. Yes, it was her. Google her name and take your filter off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's hard to take someone seriously when you google her name, click images and see her cum drenched face and spread asshole. Apparently, she loves dicks. You sure that was her? I know she had some nudes leaked but I didn't think any of them showed that level of graphic detail with her. She won the fappening award for most nudes published. Yes, it was her. Google her name and take your filter off. I tried that and nothing showed up. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:35:21 PM EDT
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She was angry over the fact that both Christian Bale and Bradley Cooper made more than her in American Hustle? Really? And Jeremy Renner... Supporting my "age" theory, all of those actors are 40+ and probably have much more negotiating experience. Against that theory, Amy Adams is also 40+ but got the same 7% deal as Lawrence. However Lawrence pretty much broke it off in Sony on her pay for their next film - she'll be pulling in $20 million, twice what Chris Pratt is getting paid. Sounds like she learned a good lesson young and it only cost her 2% (that studio accountants are more than capable of stealing back). |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:36:20 PM EDT
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A set of nice, natural tits with staying power is truly a wonder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think her real problem is that she just realized that as her breast sags, her earning power will be sagging with them. That said, not many men can get paid just to look pretty. Most likely, women get paid less in the movie industry because they are more readily replaceable. A set of nice, natural tits with staying power is truly a wonder. I think Anne Hathaway recently remarked on how powerful age plays in the competitive nature of female acting roles. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:36:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think the facial pics are legit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's hard to take someone seriously when you google her name, click images and see her cum drenched face and spread asshole. Apparently, she loves dicks. You sure that was her? I know she had some nudes leaked but I didn't think any of them showed that level of graphic detail with her. I don't think the facial pics are legit. But some lucky guy is with a JLaw lookalike, who's a bit of a freak. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:37:26 PM EDT
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I said it before and I say it again.....she looks like a young Jennifer Coolidge (Sticker's mom).
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:37:52 PM EDT
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Her nekkid pics were top notch. Top. Notch. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:38:54 PM EDT
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Lena Dunham Turns Jennifer Lawrence Into an A**hole ...And now Dunham’s got her hooks into Lawrence. And now someone whose primary appeal was that she came off as her Own Woman is crybabying in public that she didn’t ask for enough millions… "It’s hard for me to speak about my experience as a working woman because I can safely say my problems aren’t exactly relatable. When the Sony hack happened and I found out how much less I was being paid than the lucky people with dicks, I didn’t get mad at Sony. I got mad at myself. I failed as a negotiator because I gave up early." "But if I’m honest with myself, I would be lying if I didn’t say there was an element of wanting to be liked that influenced my decision to close the deal without a real fight. I didn’t want to seem “difficult” or “spoiled.” At the time, that seemed like a fine idea, until I saw the payroll on the Internet and realized every man I was working with definitely didn’t worry about being “difficult” or “spoiled.”" "I don’t think I’m the only woman with this issue. Are we socially conditioned to behave this way? We’ve only been able to vote for what, 90 years? I’m seriously asking — my phone is on the counter and I’m on the couch, so a calculator is obviously out of the question. Could there still be a lingering habit of trying to express our opinions in a certain way that doesn’t “offend” or “scare” men?" "A few weeks ago at work, I spoke my mind and gave my opinion in a clear and no-bullshit way; no aggression, just blunt. The man I was working with (actually, he was working for me) said, “Whoa! We’re all on the same team here!” As if I was yelling at him. I was so shocked because nothing that I said was personal, offensive, or, to be honest, wrong. All I hear and see all day are men speaking their opinions, and I give mine in the same exact manner, and you would have thought I had said something offensive." "I don’t think I’ve ever worked for a man in charge who spent time contemplating what angle he should use to have his voice heard." "Again, this might have NOTHING to do with my vagina, but I wasn’t completely wrong when another leaked Sony email revealed a producer referring to a fellow lead actress in a negotiation as a “spoiled brat.” For some reason, I just can’t picture someone saying that about a man." Fake blonde cry baby no talent hacks are a dime a dozen why does she think she is worth more? |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:39:59 PM EDT
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Lena Dunham Turns Jennifer Lawrence Into an A**hole ...And now Dunham’s got her hooks into Lawrence. And now someone whose primary appeal was that she came off as her Own Woman is crybabying in public that she didn’t ask for enough millions… "It’s hard for me to speak about my experience as a working woman because I can safely say my problems aren’t exactly relatable. When the Sony hack happened and I found out how much less I was being paid than the lucky people with dicks, I didn’t get mad at Sony. I got mad at myself. I failed as a negotiator because I gave up early." "But if I’m honest with myself, I would be lying if I didn’t say there was an element of wanting to be liked that influenced my decision to close the deal without a real fight. I didn’t want to seem “difficult” or “spoiled.” At the time, that seemed like a fine idea, until I saw the payroll on the Internet and realized every man I was working with definitely didn’t worry about being “difficult” or “spoiled.”" "I don’t think I’m the only woman with this issue. Are we socially conditioned to behave this way? We’ve only been able to vote for what, 90 years? I’m seriously asking — my phone is on the counter and I’m on the couch, so a calculator is obviously out of the question. Could there still be a lingering habit of trying to express our opinions in a certain way that doesn’t “offend” or “scare” men?" "A few weeks ago at work, I spoke my mind and gave my opinion in a clear and no-bullshit way; no aggression, just blunt. The man I was working with (actually, he was working for me) said, “Whoa! We’re all on the same team here!” As if I was yelling at him. I was so shocked because nothing that I said was personal, offensive, or, to be honest, wrong. All I hear and see all day are men speaking their opinions, and I give mine in the same exact manner, and you would have thought I had said something offensive." "I don’t think I’ve ever worked for a man in charge who spent time contemplating what angle he should use to have his voice heard." "Again, this might have NOTHING to do with my vagina, but I wasn’t completely wrong when another leaked Sony email revealed a producer referring to a fellow lead actress in a negotiation as a “spoiled brat.” For some reason, I just can’t picture someone saying that about a man." She should have stopped there. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:41:13 PM EDT
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Why is Lena Dunham even being mentioned? Literally nothing about the quote seems to relate to her...
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:41:26 PM EDT
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It's hard to take someone seriously when you google her name, click images and see her cum drenched face and spread asshole. Apparently, she loves dicks. You sure that was her? I know she had some nudes leaked but I didn't think any of them showed that level of graphic detail with her. I don't think the facial pics are legit. But some lucky guy is with a JLaw lookalike, who's a bit of a freak. Okay, I was wrong about the facial pics. However, her massive collection of nudes still stand. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:41:44 PM EDT
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The way I see it, male actors tend to get type cast - but that is both good and bad, because they become the actor a director wants and movie goers expect for certain characters. With very rare excptions, one pretty face and body is just as good as another for female characters. I can only think of a few typecast female actors - and I can not think of a single time I went to a movie because they were in it. (might watch one free on netflix however). Angelina Jolie is pretty much the extreme I can think of as a type casted woman - but I guess there are a few other action adventure women out there. Of course my favorites would have been mostly the cast of Buffy, but they all slowly got a life outside of Hollywood.
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:42:29 PM EDT
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It's hard to take someone seriously when you google her name, click images and see her cum drenched face and spread asshole. Apparently, she loves dicks. Gosh, that's so rare among women. 
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:44:59 PM EDT
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She's in, what, the top 2% of wage earners in the world and she's complaining? No, make over 300k and your 1% With what she makes she's in the top .5% Cry me a river. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:45:28 PM EDT
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Yeah, come on over to the real world of work and it'll be much better for you, so long as you don't have a dick.
"My boyfriend said something mean so I'm going to hide in the bathroom for a few hours with every other woman in the office for 'support', those pig men can do our work" "That's in the job description but I'm a girl, will some sorry beta pick up my slack, else face punishment for not being a 'team player'?" "I don't feel like working today, I'll just call in with my 'woman problem' trump card even though I've used all my PTO days." "No I can't work late or weekends, something something child" "I can get anyone fired by pulling the sexual harassment card" "I have to leave early to get my nails done pick up my child" "I'm not at all qualified, but I'm pretty! Smell my resume" Yeah, great times having all this male privilege where "single moms" who already won the child support lotto eat up most of the budget for annual raises because they "need it more" despite doing a fraction of the work male counterparts do, when they even bother to show up. They're also the last to be laid off. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 1:46:04 PM EDT
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Sometimes you KNOW, sometimes you don't. That is the big question, isn't it? And the thing also seemed to be, she feels that she SHOULD have negotiated for more. Would the studios have paid more, had she asked for it? If she's valuable, probably. She says she was also mad at herself for not pushing for more. The creative world can be complex. I am a big fan of classical and orchestral music, and I've realized that few of my favorite composers are women. Sure, singers, soloists, musicians are women, but not composers. Why is that? It's not because women aren't as "creative" or as "musical." I think it's in large part because we're so used composers being male. I'm used to it. I've been reading about this in the art world. Even though most artists are liberal, how it's far more common for a male artist to get their art featured and sold in a fancy art gallery. Art schools have their fair share of female graduates, but why aren't these women getting as many art shows as men? Is it because men are more assertive? I think that has a lot to do with it. Is it because the gallery owners are more favorably inclined towards men? Perhaps, sometimes. Is it because all the men are more "talented"? (I do not believe that one! That's not been my observation at all.) I think it happens for the same reason that I'm "used" to my favorite composers being men. Because that's how it "always" has been. Whether or not there is some bias or unfairness in the case with Jennifer Lawrence, I don't know. But to think that nobody ever does this sort of thing anymore... I don't think that's the case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Taking gender out of it, if you found out that you were being paid far less than others around you that you KNEW were no more "valuable" than you, you'd be pissed. And how exactly does one determine or know that others are no more valuable than they are? Fun fact: If someone is willing to pay someone else more than you to do the work, they are apparently more valuable than you in the eyes of the employer, whether you "know" you're equal to them or not. Sometimes you KNOW, sometimes you don't. That is the big question, isn't it? And the thing also seemed to be, she feels that she SHOULD have negotiated for more. Would the studios have paid more, had she asked for it? If she's valuable, probably. She says she was also mad at herself for not pushing for more. The creative world can be complex. I am a big fan of classical and orchestral music, and I've realized that few of my favorite composers are women. Sure, singers, soloists, musicians are women, but not composers. Why is that? It's not because women aren't as "creative" or as "musical." I think it's in large part because we're so used composers being male. I'm used to it. I've been reading about this in the art world. Even though most artists are liberal, how it's far more common for a male artist to get their art featured and sold in a fancy art gallery. Art schools have their fair share of female graduates, but why aren't these women getting as many art shows as men? Is it because men are more assertive? I think that has a lot to do with it. Is it because the gallery owners are more favorably inclined towards men? Perhaps, sometimes. Is it because all the men are more "talented"? (I do not believe that one! That's not been my observation at all.) I think it happens for the same reason that I'm "used" to my favorite composers being men. Because that's how it "always" has been. Whether or not there is some bias or unfairness in the case with Jennifer Lawrence, I don't know. But to think that nobody ever does this sort of thing anymore... I don't think that's the case. Can you provide the numbers for the amount of failed male artists and composers? Maybe we could work out a ratio of successful men to failure men. Then we should also work on that same ratio for women. In a broad overview, even with the starting condition that women as a whole are generally more artistic and creative, the size of the male pool is vastly larger than the female pool. Combine that with basic bell curve distribution and you have a situation were the top 1% of successful men(already a fraction of all men in the arts) is just a large pool then successful women in the arts. Basic statistics. Absolutely there are biases everywhere, your post has several and I'm sure mine does as well. They are a factor as well. But they pale in comparison to effect that the pool size difference and random distribution has. |
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