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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:06:58 PM EDT
[#1]
They don't call it science-fiction for nothing.
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:09:41 PM EDT
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In Picard's words, "Because we work for the betterment of mankind, not profit."
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:09:54 PM EDT
[#3]
Why are there no Puerto Ricans on Star Trek?
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:10:04 PM EDT
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First off, it's fiction.
Second, it is assumed that the average federation citizen is a LOT smarter than the average Joe today. Me personally? I don't have a replicator, and I'm not rich. Therefore, I must work to live. If I won the lottery tomorrow, I would go back to school for physics, chemistry, or some other science and try to make the world better. I wouldn't become FSA because that's not what good, responsible, motivated, productive people do. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:11:53 PM EDT
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Who do you think are pedaling the generators that keep the lights bright on the Enterprise?
 Think of the old Ben Hur Roman galley scene where you had the fat guy on the drum and some overseers whipping the slavs. 
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:12:01 PM EDT
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Three trains of thought:
1. Once they realized that there was more out there, everyone decided that they were going to give up their FSA ways, and be productive. 2. Once society moved away from money and religion, everyone decided that they were going to give up their FSA ways, and be productive. 3. Energy is so cheap, that everyone is provided for, but the FSA are stuck somewhere on Earth, not gallivanting around in star ships. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:12:18 PM EDT
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Picards brother ran a vinyard, so there was at least trade.
Also replicators. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:12:37 PM EDT
[#8]
leftist morons think that if there is no money, there is "equality." This is not so, even in the ST universe. Money is just a means of exchange. There are other things that one uses. In Star Trek it is rank and social standing. The captain may not have been paid in more "money" but he was rewarded in prestige and privileges. He had the biggest stateroom. People deferred to him. What he said, went. He could use the holodeck as he pleased, he got all the shore time he wanted, etc. The "everyone is the same" nonsense isn't even true in Star Trek.
Not everyone can have a vineyard, as mentioned above, yet Picards brother had one. What we see in ST is rule by the elite, even without "money." |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:13:12 PM EDT
[#9]
The FSA were all given red shirts and beamed somewhere
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:13:41 PM EDT
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You can't have a FSA in a post-scarcity world. That's a logical contradiction. If no one has to work and there is no need to take something from one person to give to another it is impossible for there to be an FSA as we conceive of it.
I'm sure there would be plenty of folks in the ST universe who do not work, but in a post scarcity world their choice would have no effect whatsoever on anyone else. If you're asking why some people would choose to work in a post-scarcity world, it would be because they enjoy what they do. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:14:03 PM EDT
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I'd never know. I'd never leave the holodeck.
"Computer, run program FEMBOT-01 and disengage holodeck safeties." |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:14:29 PM EDT
[#12]
All the FSA are on Earth, which we rarely see. Replicators take care of things, automation takes care of services (probably). Bet there are some lazy mofos back on terra firma.
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:15:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:16:04 PM EDT
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I think this was addressed in an episode of DS9 where Sisco and a few of his crew got caught in a worm hole that sent them back in time to a pivotal point in their history that was a turning point in their society between the ruling class of people that were in high society and the poor that were under lock down within certain sectors of cities.
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:16:08 PM EDT
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All the FSA are on Earth, which we rarely see. Replicators take care of things, automation takes care of services (probably). Bet there are some lazy mofos back on terra firma. And society would devolve. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:16:52 PM EDT
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There was a cleansing.
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:17:15 PM EDT
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All the FSA are on Earth, which we rarely see. Replicators take care of things, automation takes care of services (probably). Bet there are some lazy mofos back on terra firma. And society would devolve. Maybe, maybe not. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:17:17 PM EDT
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Replicators. You don't need anything when everything is free.
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:17:51 PM EDT
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They all went to Risa.
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:17:59 PM EDT
[#20]
Eugenics
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:18:15 PM EDT
[#21]
MAGIC!!!
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:18:59 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Replicators. You don't need anything when everything is free. would prevent the need for panic buys Gun control nuts would have a shitfit, press a button and BAM! Got a brand new M16, or phaser, or proton torpedo |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:19:33 PM EDT
[#23]
Cling-ons you mean?
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
leftist morons think that if there is no money, there is "equality." This is not so, even in the ST universe. Money is just a means of exchange. There are other things that one uses. In Star Trek it is rank and social standing. The captain may not have been paid in more "money" but he was rewarded in prestige and privileges. He had the biggest stateroom. People deferred to him. What he said, went. He could use the holodeck as he pleased, he got all the shore time he wanted, etc. The "everyone is the same" nonsense isn't even true in Star Trek. Not everyone can have a vineyard, as mentioned above, yet Picards brother had one. What we see in ST is rule by the elite, even without "money." How many enlisted you ever see in the Star Trek verse? |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:20:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:21:03 PM EDT
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All the FSA are on Earth, which we rarely see. Replicators take care of things, automation takes care of services (probably). Bet there are some lazy mofos back on terra firma. And society would devolve. Maybe, maybe not. Want and competition inspire people. If every need was taken care of, automatically and with no effort, we would not have a ST universe of intrepid explorers and men of advebture, we'd have a Wall-E universe if fatasses who get around on hover scooters and flop about like fish if the power cuts off. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:21:14 PM EDT
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I think this was addressed in an episode of DS9 where Sisco and a few of his crew got caught in a worm hole that sent them back in time to a pivotal point in their history that was a turning point in their society between the ruling class of people that were in high society and the poor that were under lock down within certain sectors of cities. Sounds familiar. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:22:12 PM EDT
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How many enlisted you ever see in the Star Trek verse? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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leftist morons think that if there is no money, there is "equality." This is not so, even in the ST universe. Money is just a means of exchange. There are other things that one uses. In Star Trek it is rank and social standing. The captain may not have been paid in more "money" but he was rewarded in prestige and privileges. He had the biggest stateroom. People deferred to him. What he said, went. He could use the holodeck as he pleased, he got all the shore time he wanted, etc. The "everyone is the same" nonsense isn't even true in Star Trek. Not everyone can have a vineyard, as mentioned above, yet Picards brother had one. What we see in ST is rule by the elite, even without "money." How many enlisted you ever see in the Star Trek verse? In some of the movies you can even see some knocked out of their bunks in berthing during battle scenes. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:23:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis one is much, MUCH better. Someone embed this, please. http://youtu.be/WkLxFLOW9ew |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:23:45 PM EDT
[#30]
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Replicators. You don't need anything when everything is free. People keep saying this, but if you've ever watched any episodes of Gangland (or hung out with the wrong kind of people), there are plenty of guy who will rob and murder just to make a name form themselves. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:24:36 PM EDT
[#31]
Phasers are cheap and don't leave behind bodies, shell casing or bullets to match up.
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:24:52 PM EDT
[#32]
The stupid and lazy are fed into the replicators and transporters as feed elements. You cannot generate something from nothing.
Maybe your Earl grey used to be someone neamed Earl? |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:25:19 PM EDT
[#33]
There was Latinum, dilithium crystals, and energy credits. There was certainly money used on the show.
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:28:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are there no Puerto Ricans on Star Trek? |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:28:41 PM EDT
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Well, considering that they have replicators (essentially, there's no shortage of resources what so ever)....there's no need for money.
Money is a way to manage limited resources. When resources are actually unlimited, money is pointless. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:28:59 PM EDT
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The same reason there's no FSA on Navy ships.
The FSA are back on the planets. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:29:29 PM EDT
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There was Latinum, dilithium crystals, and energy credits. There was certainly money used on the show. This. There is always a currency - be it fuel, weapons, or life itself. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:29:45 PM EDT
[#38]
The govt stopped paying stupid people to breed?
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:30:07 PM EDT
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Want and competition inspire people. If every need was taken care of, automatically and with no effort, we would not have a ST universe of intrepid explorers and men of advebture, we'd have a Wall-E universe if fatasses who get around on hover scooters and flop about like fish if the power cuts off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the FSA are on Earth, which we rarely see. Replicators take care of things, automation takes care of services (probably). Bet there are some lazy mofos back on terra firma. And society would devolve. Maybe, maybe not. Want and competition inspire people. If every need was taken care of, automatically and with no effort, we would not have a ST universe of intrepid explorers and men of advebture, we'd have a Wall-E universe if fatasses who get around on hover scooters and flop about like fish if the power cuts off. Want and competition don't go away just because your basic material needs are provided. Professional athletes make tens of millions of dollars and many (most) could easily never work another day in their life after a couple years. Still plenty of want and competition there. Every billionaire or multi-hundred millionaire on earth could just park his money in safe set of investments, do anything he wanted, and never work again. But the ultra-rich tend to be very active and competitive. Desire and competitiveness have little to nothing to do with the need to toil to earn food and shelter and material goods. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:30:54 PM EDT
[#40]
Gold
Pressed
Latinum |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:31:24 PM EDT
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There was a cleansing. If you saw "first contact" it is mentioned that a large part of the world population was wiped out by a Third World War that went nuclear. I can only assume that there were two possibilities post war, either people curl up and die or they work to get out of their situation. I can only assume that it is the later and that any remains FSA would die because everyone else would let the weak die. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:31:57 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was Latinum, dilithium crystals, and energy credits. There was certainly money used on the show. Replicators couldn't make Latinum and dilithium crystals? Whassup with that |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:33:01 PM EDT
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Want and competition inspire people. If every need was taken care of, automatically and with no effort, we would not have a ST universe of intrepid explorers and men of advebture, we'd have a Wall-E universe if fatasses who get around on hover scooters and flop about like fish if the power cuts off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the FSA are on Earth, which we rarely see. Replicators take care of things, automation takes care of services (probably). Bet there are some lazy mofos back on terra firma. And society would devolve. Maybe, maybe not. Want and competition inspire people. If every need was taken care of, automatically and with no effort, we would not have a ST universe of intrepid explorers and men of advebture, we'd have a Wall-E universe if fatasses who get around on hover scooters and flop about like fish if the power cuts off. I guess you are in the military because it pays so much more than private practice right? Just because there is no tangible currency does not mean that economics are not still in motion. There are other forces at work besides money that create competition and want. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:34:40 PM EDT
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Eugenics Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Who do you think Khan was wiping out en masse? |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:36:05 PM EDT
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Replicators couldn't make Latinum and dilithium crystals? Whassup with that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was Latinum, dilithium crystals, and energy credits. There was certainly money used on the show. Replicators couldn't make Latinum and dilithium crystals? Whassup with that Most common replicators couldn't make a lot of things. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:36:19 PM EDT
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Want and competition don't go away just because your basic material needs are provided. Professional athletes make tens of millions of dollars and many (most) could easily never work another day in their life after a couple years. Still plenty of want and competition there. Every billionaire or multi-hundred millionaire on earth could just park his money in safe set of investments, do anything he wanted, and never work again. But the ultra-rich tend to be very active and competitive. Desire and competitiveness have little to nothing to do with the need to toil to earn food and shelter and material goods. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the FSA are on Earth, which we rarely see. Replicators take care of things, automation takes care of services (probably). Bet there are some lazy mofos back on terra firma. And society would devolve. Maybe, maybe not. Want and competition inspire people. If every need was taken care of, automatically and with no effort, we would not have a ST universe of intrepid explorers and men of advebture, we'd have a Wall-E universe if fatasses who get around on hover scooters and flop about like fish if the power cuts off. Want and competition don't go away just because your basic material needs are provided. Professional athletes make tens of millions of dollars and many (most) could easily never work another day in their life after a couple years. Still plenty of want and competition there. Every billionaire or multi-hundred millionaire on earth could just park his money in safe set of investments, do anything he wanted, and never work again. But the ultra-rich tend to be very active and competitive. Desire and competitiveness have little to nothing to do with the need to toil to earn food and shelter and material goods. Which goes back to and bolsters my point that status, prestige, and rank are the new currencies and things really haven't changed much simply my eliminating the need for a means of exchange. Instead of wanting a million dollars in the bank, they bank privilege and fame and prestige. The Captian has it much better than ensign snuffy. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:37:17 PM EDT
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I think there was an episode that mentioned drugs & mind control?
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:37:49 PM EDT
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Check out the episode The Troubles With Tribbles.
The author once wrote that he needed to figure a way for the critters to be sold so he came up with Credits. Just how much a Credit is worth is an other subject. |
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:38:45 PM EDT
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And we don't even want talk about the Spaceman 1st Class holodeck janitor.
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Posted: 10/12/2015 9:38:47 PM EDT
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Want and competition inspire people. If every need was taken care of, automatically and with no effort, we would not have a ST universe of intrepid explorers and men of advebture, we'd have a Wall-E universe if fatasses who get around on hover scooters and flop about like fish if the power cuts off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the FSA are on Earth, which we rarely see. Replicators take care of things, automation takes care of services (probably). Bet there are some lazy mofos back on terra firma. And society would devolve. Maybe, maybe not. Want and competition inspire people. If every need was taken care of, automatically and with no effort, we would not have a ST universe of intrepid explorers and men of advebture, we'd have a Wall-E universe if fatasses who get around on hover scooters and flop about like fish if the power cuts off. I remember reading an article a few years back-talked about why the people in the Caribbean never really did anything.Basically food and shelter were easy to come by with little effort,and the weather didn't get cold enough to make them build stuff. Hmmm,seems familiar...... |
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