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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:10:24 AM EDT
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Shiieeeeet. The most useful class I took in High School... was TYPING. Yep. I use it EVERY. FUCKING. DAY. Look at that shit, I just used it. Holy shit, I just used it again. Yep, one more time, typing came in handy. Holy shit, that's even one MORE time I used it. And again. Yep. It just keeps on coming in handy. Same... I don't even know why I took it. I think my Mom pushed me that way. I had zero, zip, nadda interest in computers at the time. Now I work in IT and use typing every freaking day... |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:12:22 AM EDT
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If you would have said "english literature" or "diagramming sentences" or even "history", I'd have been right there with you. Math? No, sorry, I use that far more than I ever use anything I ever learned in shop class. That said, the class that applies to every single second of every day of my life is physics. It changes your worldview from "this happenes in this situation, this other thing happens in this other situation" to one unified understanding of the world. I cannot imagine going through life without a decent understanding of basic physics. That's just crazy talk. History and physics are twin brothers. 
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:21:01 AM EDT
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tell that to a sniper I was taught by the best in the middle east. lnsh'Allah. Usually god wills my shot to hit the target about 5% of the time. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:22:34 AM EDT
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Enough folks have pointed out the error in your statement...Have a great day
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:30:44 AM EDT
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Shiieeeeet. The most useful class I took in High School... was TYPING. Yep. I use it EVERY. FUCKING. DAY. Look at that shit, I just used it. Holy shit, I just used it again. Yep, one more time, typing came in handy. Holy shit, that's even one MORE time I used it. And again. Yep. It just keeps on coming in handy. I clock around 80wpm when typing casually (faster if I'm going for the high score on a test), and I've never taken a typing class. It's something I taught myself. A class would have been a waste of time. I already had a full FE Ford rebuild under my belt, before I graduated HS. I've never taken a shop class, and none of my friends that did ever rebuilt a big block Ford in class. Note: I'm of the opinion that Industrial Arts classes need more funding (not less), but I'm never going to agree that they're more useful than the required math classes. And if I was forced to choose for some reason, math wins every time. You can teach an adult 5-10 years out of High School how to operate an end mill or a lathe, without a great deal of effort (assuming he wants to learn). Attempting the Herculean task of teaching him 4 years of HS math he never got 5 -10 years after the fact, is a different animal. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:45:52 AM EDT
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i get what the OP is saying.
not that math isnt important its that we teach way to much of it and not enough useful in real life skills. how many time have you guys needed i ok this goes here > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> >> _______ or hell long division(not fractions i mean the 18)4826. you know the shit with the remainder.) we teach a bunch of very high level math that maybe 1% of the top students will use but its hyped up that if you don't know pi to 314 digits enjoy flipping burgers. i rarely use anything beyond basic algebra and fundamental trig. and while i wouldn't have benefited much from a basic shop a lot of kids would. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:48:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. I use math every damn day and I work in Construction & Building.... Guess what I don't Use? The "Skills" I learned in shop class. proposed Elevation for that utility box is 7.22 .... Existing Elevation is 6.85. We can't have more than 5% slope leading up to the inlet in any direction, so how far do we need to go away from the box and slope our sidewalk up, to meet ADA and match the proposed grade? The answer is not found in shop class. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:56:03 AM EDT
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Both, actually. Mathmeticians weren't cutting the aluminum that formed the LEM. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. W went to the moon on the back of shop class. Both, actually. Mathmeticians weren't cutting the aluminum that formed the LEM. True. If it wasn't for math and the rules of geometry, the entire manufacturing industry would be a "looks good enough" enterprise. We needed mathematicians to develop the methods of math, so the engineers and specialists can make something of it. With out math, no one gets anywhere. With out manufacturing, the benefits of math would remain unrealised. Society as we know it would not exist with out either. It's a team effort. It is foolish to deny it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:57:01 AM EDT
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. We went to the moon on the back of shop class. LOL, yup, all of this. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:57:06 AM EDT
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Ignorant post. I use math every damn day and I work in Construction & Building.... Guess what I don't Use? The "Skills" I learned in shop class. proposed Elevation for that utility box is 7.22 .... Existing Elevation is 6.85. We can't have more than 5% slope leading up to the inlet in any direction, so how far do we need to go away from the box and slope our sidewalk up, to meet ADA and match the proposed grade? The answer is not found in shop class. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. I use math every damn day and I work in Construction & Building.... Guess what I don't Use? The "Skills" I learned in shop class. proposed Elevation for that utility box is 7.22 .... Existing Elevation is 6.85. We can't have more than 5% slope leading up to the inlet in any direction, so how far do we need to go away from the box and slope our sidewalk up, to meet ADA and match the proposed grade? The answer is not found in shop class. To be fair I think when OP says "Math" I think he's referring to Algebra not Arithmetic. Most people don't use Algebra in every day life. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:57:19 AM EDT
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. We went to the moon on the back of shop class. Yep, spot welding got us to the fucking moon. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:59:35 AM EDT
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Instead of dumping shop classes to save money, schools should dump band and sports. At least with shop classes kids will learn something they stand a chance of using in life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Instead of dumping shop classes to save money, schools should dump band and sports. At least with shop classes kids will learn something they stand a chance of using in life. Band should be a required class. As should shop, home ec, and PE. Somehow the JHS I went to managed to do them all and everything else. They rotated shop and Home ec and art, and you had to take band, strings, or chorus, your choice. Specialization is for insects. Quoted:
If you would have said "english literature" or "diagramming sentences" or even "history", I'd have been right there with you. Nonsense. Oh, and they've stopped diagramming sentences in many places. Which probably explains why my HS English teacher sister gets kids in her class who at 11th grade don't know what a "subject" or "verb" is nor why they should "agree". When my wife was a college English tutor and when I was a TA we'd get kids who flat out couldn't fucking write. A MechE, physicist, or chemist who can't write clearly is functionally useless. Of course, my dad's chem students would bitch when he'd knock points off reports for English mistakes. My wife found two Ladies Home Journals from the 1910's at an antique store. The language usage in the freakin' advertisements was way higher than is used today in just about anything. It made the current LHJ look pathetic. People who don't know literature or history and can't write dumb down everything else. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:00:00 AM EDT
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You know what happens when you get someone that was awesome at shop class but rarely showed up to math class? You get to buy a new fucking tool holder. 
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/rdxfusion/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsebduwju6.jpg Wow. He crunched that one good enough to rotate it most of the way out of the holder. I bet that was loud. You know it's bad when the area below the insert looks like chrome plated cookie dough. 
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:01:15 AM EDT
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To be fair I think when OP says "Math" I think he's referring to Algebra not Arithmetic. Most people don't use Algebra in every day life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. I use math every damn day and I work in Construction & Building.... Guess what I don't Use? The "Skills" I learned in shop class. proposed Elevation for that utility box is 7.22 .... Existing Elevation is 6.85. We can't have more than 5% slope leading up to the inlet in any direction, so how far do we need to go away from the box and slope our sidewalk up, to meet ADA and match the proposed grade? The answer is not found in shop class. To be fair I think when OP says "Math" I think he's referring to Algebra not Arithmetic. Most people don't use Algebra in every day life. I learned a lot of stuff I don't use in every day life. I learned it so I could be a well rounded fully functional adult. I may not use Calc every day, but I don't use my Beretta every day either. And yet there they sit in their respective safes. ETA: One of the interesting things about this thread is that when I was a Freshman MechE, they required us to take a shop class. We made a hammer. Learned how to use drill presses, engine lathes, cut threads, etc. They said they required the class because too many Engineers got out into the world and tried to design things that looked great on paper but couldn't physically be made. The one prof told a story when he was at Delphi they had a brand new BS engineer who designed a part that was, essentially, a 1" cube with a 1" circle drilled into it (obviously it had more than that, but that was the base design). The shop guy it went to came back with "I can't make this". The engineer came back with "I have a college degree and you don't. Build it to print." So the shop guy got angry, built it to print (costing a few grand), and sent the engineer essentially four pieces. The engineer got pissed and reported it up the chain. Engineer got fired, tool maker got told told to go back to work and next time kick it up the chain before trying to prove a point. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:14:26 AM EDT
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To be fair I think when OP says "Math" I think he's referring to Algebra not Arithmetic. Most people don't use Algebra in every day life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. I use math every damn day and I work in Construction & Building.... Guess what I don't Use? The "Skills" I learned in shop class. proposed Elevation for that utility box is 7.22 .... Existing Elevation is 6.85. We can't have more than 5% slope leading up to the inlet in any direction, so how far do we need to go away from the box and slope our sidewalk up, to meet ADA and match the proposed grade? The answer is not found in shop class. To be fair I think when OP says "Math" I think he's referring to Algebra not Arithmetic. Most people don't use Algebra in every day life. Actually, the vast majority of people start using basic Algebra every day by about age 3 or 4 whether they know it or not. You have 8 eggs and 12 slices of bacon. If everyone's breakfast has 2 eggs and 3 pieces of bacon, how many people can you feed? Arfcom Answer: Fuck that, that's the sammich maker's work. Real Answer: Algebra. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:21:16 AM EDT
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I use math everyday as part of my engineering job.
That being said, to this day I can still remember the antics that went on in my wood shop and drafting classes. Can't say that I remember anything fun about my Calculus and Trig classes. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:24:25 AM EDT
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Of all of the subjects to unfavorably compare to shop class, you might have picked the worst. Yea OP as a machinist I can say you really didn't think this through. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:25:19 AM EDT
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Math be important yo:
"You and three of your G's are on someone else's turf. You're cruising along in your fly ride about 20 mph. There's a posse of eight homies just sitting in front of their crib, they're just...chilling on the porch playing some fresh jams." "Who they got on the box?" "I think they're riffing with Tag Team...maybe some Ice, Snoop, Biggie, Junior MAFIA, whatever. They decide that they want to throw down. So, you and your boys, you pile out of your hooptie for the face-off. They have six baseball bats and two chains, you have three brass knuckles...and two sawed-off pool cues, you know, jimmy sticks. Now, what I want to know is what is the ratio...of metal weapons to wooden ones?" 
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:25:32 AM EDT
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The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. Your wrong Now English and grammar though, OP may have a point.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:27:05 AM EDT
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I use the algebra and most of math every single day, I don't use the shop stuff every day.
I took shop every year and did math homework in that class most of the time while all the other kids traded drugs in shop. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:35:34 AM EDT
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Yep, spot welding got us to the fucking moon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. We went to the moon on the back of shop class. Yep, spot welding got us to the fucking moon. Spot welding processes worked out by process engineers, metallurgists, and electrical engineers using notebooks full of calculations, and then structural analysts filling a couple more binders, before sending the prints to the shop. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:37:03 AM EDT
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I think the real problem is the closed minded attitude of people. A EET (elec. eng tech) could walk into a shop and be berated since he's an "engineer type" although he might have many skills that could help, etc. A blue collar mechanic might walk into an office building and those in suits would think that he is below them since he works on cars, etc. They don't know that he is fulfilled by working with his hands and may well make more than most "button pushers" in the office building.
A computer guy may eek out a living by day, do his own mechanical repairs, run some CNC machines from his garage on the weekends but yet still is looked down upon by his "computer professional" coworkers as a "bubba" that likes to build stuff with metal etc. It boils down to a people problem really. A guy can ride a Harley, do Calculus, play classical guitar, play chess, thread barrels, fly an airplane, change a diaper and cook up a nice meal for his family. He might be considered a pussy by one or more groups that do those things, but I see it as a well rounded individual and overall interesting character. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:37:40 AM EDT
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Math is important. But, when is the last time you needed to determine if a number was Ordinal or Cardinal? How often do you need to know Pi to 10 decimal places?
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:42:03 AM EDT
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. We went to the moon on the back of shop class. Yep. Saturn V's and their enormous Briggs & Stratton engines made it all possible!
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:42:31 AM EDT
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Math is important. But, when is the last time you needed to determine if a number was Ordinal or Cardinal? How often do you need to know Pi to 10 decimal places? I'm looking for a machinist that can measure the diameter and the circumference of a circular cylinder to 10 decimal places in order to calculate pi to 10 decimal places. Then to tell me the reason. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:45:03 AM EDT
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Math is important. But, when is the last time you needed to determine if a number was Ordinal or Cardinal? How often do you need to know Pi to 10 decimal places? Math is important. The remainder of your statement is nonsense. Of course certain aspects of mathematics aren't going to be used daily. English is important. But, when is the last time you needed to diagram a sentence? How often do you need to know whether a participal phrase is dangling or not? |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:45:25 AM EDT
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As a machinist I use trig all the time when writing CNC programs. As usual around here, get both.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 11:08:35 AM EDT
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This white collar professional is thankful for shop class
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Posted: 10/9/2015 11:09:27 AM EDT
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Ignorant post. I use math every damn day and I work in Construction & Building.... Guess what I don't Use? The "Skills" I learned in shop class. proposed Elevation for that utility box is 7.22 .... Existing Elevation is 6.85. We can't have more than 5% slope leading up to the inlet in any direction, so how far do we need to go away from the box and slope our sidewalk up, to meet ADA and match the proposed grade? The answer is not found in shop class. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. I use math every damn day and I work in Construction & Building.... Guess what I don't Use? The "Skills" I learned in shop class. proposed Elevation for that utility box is 7.22 .... Existing Elevation is 6.85. We can't have more than 5% slope leading up to the inlet in any direction, so how far do we need to go away from the box and slope our sidewalk up, to meet ADA and match the proposed grade? The answer is not found in shop class. I wish someone would teach the morans down here how to figure the finished grade around utility boxes and equipment. They just seem to guess, and cover the lids up and don't give a rats ass that someone has to access that shit. Namely me. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 11:18:44 AM EDT
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Spot welding processes worked out by process engineers, metallurgists, and electrical engineers using notebooks full of calculations, and then structural analysts filling a couple more binders, before sending the prints to the shop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. We went to the moon on the back of shop class. Yep, spot welding got us to the fucking moon. Spot welding processes worked out by process engineers, metallurgists, and electrical engineers using notebooks full of calculations, and then structural analysts filling a couple more binders, before sending the prints to the shop. Electrical engineers for spot welding? 
Yea, no. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 11:22:37 AM EDT
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Electrical engineers for spot welding?
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. We went to the moon on the back of shop class. Yep, spot welding got us to the fucking moon. Spot welding processes worked out by process engineers, metallurgists, and electrical engineers using notebooks full of calculations, and then structural analysts filling a couple more binders, before sending the prints to the shop. Electrical engineers for spot welding?
Yea, no. Really? What's your background? And electric arc welding relies heavily on electrical engineers. How does it get power? Magnets? These kind of threads are retarded. No one profession is an island any more. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 11:24:57 AM EDT
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Really? What's your background? And electric arc welding relies heavily on electrical engineers. How does it get power? Magnets? These kind of threads are retarded. No one profession is an island any more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. We went to the moon on the back of shop class. Yep, spot welding got us to the fucking moon. Spot welding processes worked out by process engineers, metallurgists, and electrical engineers using notebooks full of calculations, and then structural analysts filling a couple more binders, before sending the prints to the shop. Electrical engineers for spot welding?
Yea, no. Really? What's your background? And electric arc welding relies heavily on electrical engineers. How does it get power? Magnets? These kind of threads are retarded. No one profession is an island any more. The response was in regards to the calculation and implementation of the welding itself, not the the design and creation of the actual welding machine. I'm a mechanical engineer with welding experience background if you must know. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 11:27:09 AM EDT
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I'm looking for a machinist that can measure the diameter and the circumference of a circular cylinder to 10 decimal places in order to calculate pi to 10 decimal places. Then to tell me the reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Math is important. But, when is the last time you needed to determine if a number was Ordinal or Cardinal? How often do you need to know Pi to 10 decimal places? I'm looking for a machinist that can measure the diameter and the circumference of a circular cylinder to 10 decimal places in order to calculate pi to 10 decimal places. Then to tell me the reason. Because you like perfect pie? |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 11:27:19 AM EDT
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. We went to the moon on the back of shop class. Do they teach how to perform trajectory solutions to orbital mechanics problems in shop class? What about how to resolve coupled dynamic structures? I doubt it. Personally, I see a LOT of value in shop class. I didn't have a shop class in high school, but when I decided to go for Mechanical Engineering I took what amounted to a "shop class for undergraduate engineers". Learned to use tools like a lathe, an end mill, etc., learned how to make a simple weld, and a bunch of other related tasks like make a solder connection. Am I remotely competent to do any of these as a job? Hell no. But learning the very basics gave me a lot of insight and appreciation for these skills. While I think HS no longer offering some sort of hands-on shop class is not a good thing, please don't take it out on kid's learning Math. Math is the essential foundation for a wide range of scientific disciplines, and without Math we'd still be grubbing around in Dark Ages, much less putting people on the Moon. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 11:33:12 AM EDT
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Personally I think it's quite simple; math is needed for many basic things people do daily as well as complicated calculations if they want to be more involved in advanced uses of it.
Shop is very useful for hands-on skills that would shorten the time frame with proper do's & don'ts contrast to DIY and going through all the headaches on your own until you got the hang of it. Get both. Not exactly a proper comparison IMO. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 11:58:30 AM EDT
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I'd say a big part of the problem with the math classes I took was they focused so strongly on the math, but nearly zero time was spent on any practical application or explaining what the math is for. Just equations to solve or proofs. That is where a lot of the "I'll never use this shit" comes into play. This is especially true once Algebra and above started.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:01:21 PM EDT
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The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. Your wrong I guess english classes weren't your strong suit either. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:01:38 PM EDT
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Schools eliminating shop class is not the end of the world.
Schools eliminating math class is the end of the world. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:06:44 PM EDT
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Yeah, who needs math? http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/bigdeeeeeeee/AR-15LowerBlueprint_zpsgxjkoahm.jpg Great, you got some numbers on a piece of paper, now make a part. You'll need basic math, trigonometry, algebra. It always amazes me that as a machinist I can get a print with so much info that I still need to do so much calculating. With a complex part with lots of angles and radii you've got to figure out how to hold the part, how to cut it, how to measure it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:07:55 PM EDT
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beat to fit. Paint to match.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:12:39 PM EDT
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The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. The days not over yet
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:23:47 PM EDT
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The people I hated most in my life were the two jerks in my Calc II class who never showed up for class and then aced the final exam.
They could have tested out and saved me a lot of angst. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:28:05 PM EDT
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I run a log home construction company. Anytime I need to figure the cut on a rafter or what span a beam can do, I just guess. Math is for losers.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:31:20 PM EDT
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Pipe fitters and fabricators use a trig, geometry and algebra fairly often at work. Get both? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. Pipe fitters and fabricators use a trig, geometry and algebra fairly often at work. Get both? I have been very successful in the trades due to nothing but my math skills. I started sanitary welding for food plants the week i turned 18, had an 8 man crew to run before i was 19. I was general manager 1 year after i came back from a 3 year hiatus as 23 and partner 6 months after that. Why? Math goddammit. Its almost like cheatint to go into the trades with great math ability. I would have been a mediocre accountant but i will always be in the top percentile in the trades. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:39:49 PM EDT
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Do you realize math is used for:
-Calculating trajectories, so you know how much to hold over for that buck at long range -Engineering, so the guy who designed your handgun can tell you whether it can be used for r+P loads or not. And, in fact, to make sure the gun will not blow up when you shoot it. -Designing cartridges, including...all of them. -Calculating the future value of money, so you'll know when you can afford to retire. -Calculating recipes, so you or your wife will know how much sugar to put in the cookies when you double the batch -Designing cars, buildings, generators, houses, computer chips, and pretty much everything else. -Machining pretty much everything made of metal parts, including all your gun parts. -I could go on. Yah, its pretty important. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 2:19:18 PM EDT
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My wife is a math teacher. She says math is the most-important thing *ever.* Also... When I was a kid, I worked construction and labor jobs over the summer. I met ex-convicts who were independently wealthy from learning a trade, and doing it well. In one case, an ex-con did custom tile, and made McMansions look like their floors were tiled like a European cathedral. He did good work, his work looked like art, and nobody cared to ask him his history. His day was absolutely-full of word-of-mouth referrals for his work. The General Contractor who was using him on that job told me the ex-con got out of prison, went to a Home Depot demonstration on laying tile, started small working for others, eventually went to work for himself and became a millionaire. He is going to have spent a life working on his hands and knees... But he has made an honest living since getting out of prison. Good for him. You can make a living by being smarter than everyone else, or being a harder worker than everyone else... Basic maths yes. Calculus and advanced Trig no. Long division is useless as well as far as being a lifetime tool. But that's not the point of long division, the point is to teach you how to use numbers to solve problems. Tell me, who here uses Logarithms on a daily or weekly basis? If any it'll be less than 1%. Polynomials? Who the fuck uses polynomials daily or weekly? |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 2:44:12 PM EDT
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Tell me, who here uses Logarithms on a daily or weekly basis? If any it'll be less than 1%. logarithmic measurement and values are all around you, you just don't realize it. earthquake in california? Richter scale. sound level on a generator spec? dB. alkalinity/acidity in your pool? pH. interested in photography? f-stop. etc. Quoted:
Polynomials? Who the fuck uses polynomials daily or weekly? they are all around you, you just don't realize it. pressure in your tires varies with temperature? ideal gas law. there are so many power law examples that i will just put a link to Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law#Examples_of_power-law_functions ar-jedi |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 2:45:30 PM EDT
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You're right, you never add, subtract, multiply, or divide numbers. Also, you never solve problems in a logical and systematic manner. We went to the moon on the back of shop class. Yep, spot welding got us to the fucking moon. Spot welding processes worked out by process engineers, metallurgists, and electrical engineers using notebooks full of calculations, and then structural analysts filling a couple more binders, before sending the prints to the shop. Electrical engineers for spot welding?
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Posted: 10/9/2015 2:49:02 PM EDT
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logarithmic measurement and values are all around you, you just don't realize it. earthquake in california? Richter scale. sound level on a generator spec? dB. alkalinity/acidity in your pool? pH. interested in photography? f-stop. etc. they are all around you, you just don't realize it. pressure in your tires varies with temperature? ideal gas law. there are so many power law examples that i will just put a link to Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law#Examples_of_power-law_functions ar-jedi Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tell me, who here uses Logarithms on a daily or weekly basis? If any it'll be less than 1%. logarithmic measurement and values are all around you, you just don't realize it. earthquake in california? Richter scale. sound level on a generator spec? dB. alkalinity/acidity in your pool? pH. interested in photography? f-stop. etc. Quoted:
Polynomials? Who the fuck uses polynomials daily or weekly? they are all around you, you just don't realize it. pressure in your tires varies with temperature? ideal gas law. there are so many power law examples that i will just put a link to Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law#Examples_of_power-law_functions ar-jedi Those are nice examples but didn't answer my question... You perform a polynomial calculation every time you adjust your tire pressure? |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 2:52:24 PM EDT
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The difference between shop class and math class is that you will use the things you learn in shop (wood shop, metal shop, construction & building, small engines & drafting) fairly frequently for the rest of your life. Not picking on math specifically, just angry to learn that my old high school shut down the shop and tech classes down entirely. I use what I learned in small engines WAY more often then what I learned in trig. Because you never use Math to manipulate measurements in shop class.
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