I understand that and you are correct. Is assumed that the person I quoted might be thinking because it's a handgun it may have to go through a FFL which it won't.

 
Ok

It is a shame, was just reading the text of this amendment, at some point the text was changed to only allow for 1911's. The old version in June I read would have basically allowed anything semi automatic. It also limits the transfer to 10,000 1911's which sounds like a lot but I don't think it will take the CMP more than a week to burn through that many if they have them priced reasonably.

Additionally there is a clause, that if I read it right, means that these will have to go through an FFL.

SEC. 1087. TRANSFER OF SURPLUS FIREARMS TO CORPORATION FOR THE PROMOTION OF RIFLE PRACTICE AND FIREARMS SAFETY.
(a) Authorization Of Transfer Of Surplus Firearms To Corporation For The Promotion Of Rifle Practice And Firearms Safety.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 40728 of title 36, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:


“(h) Authorized Transfers.— (1) Subject to paragraph (2), the Secretary may transfer to the corporation, in accordance with the procedure prescribed in this subchapter, surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare parts and related accessories for those pistols that, on the date of the enactment of this subsection, are under the control of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements of the Department of the Army, and such material as may be recovered by the Secretary pursuant to section 40728A(a) of this title. The Secretary shall determine a reasonable schedule for the transfer of such surplus pistols.

“(2) The Secretary may not transfer more than 10,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols to the corporation during any year and may only transfer such pistols as long as pistols described in paragraph (1) remain available for transfer.”.

(2) TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.—Such title is further amended—

(A) in section 40728A—

(i) by striking “rifles” each place it appears and inserting “surplus firearms”; and

(ii) in subsection (a), by striking “section 40731(a)” and inserting “section 40732(a)”;

(B) in section 40729(a)—

(i) in paragraph (1), by striking “section 40728(a)” and inserting “subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728”;

(ii) in paragraph (2), by striking “40728(a)” and inserting “subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728”; and

(iii) in paragraph (4), by inserting “and caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols” after “caliber .30 and caliber .22 rimfire rifles”;

(C) in section 40732—

(i) by striking “caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 surplus rifles” both places it appears and inserting “surplus caliber .22 rimfire rifles, caliber .30 surplus rifles, and caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols”; and

(ii) in subsection (b), by striking “is over 18 years of age” and inserting “is legally of age”; and

(D) in section 40733—

(i) by striking “Section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)” and inserting “(a) In General.—Except as provided in subsection (b), section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)”; and

(ii) by adding at the end the following new subsection:


“(b) Exception.—With respect to firearms other than caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 rifles, the corporation shall obtain a license as a dealer in firearms and abide by all requirements imposed on persons licensed under chapter 44 of title 18, including maintaining acquisition and disposition records, and conducting background checks.”.

(b) Pilot Program.—

(1) ONE-YEAR AUTHORITY.—The Secretary of the Army may carry out a one-year pilot program under which the Secretary may transfer to the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety not more than 10,000 firearms described in paragraph (2).

(2) FIREARMS DESCRIBED.—The firearms described in this paragraph are surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare parts and related accessories for those pistols that, on the date of the enactment of this section, are under the control of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements of the Department of the Army.

(3) TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS.—Transfers of surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols from the Army to the Corporation under the pilot program shall be made in accordance with subchapter II of chapter 407 of title 36, United States Code.

(4) REPORTS TO CONGRESS.—

(A) INTERIM REPORT.—Not later than 90 days after the Secretary initiates the pilot program under this subsection, the Secretary shall submit to Congress an interim report on the pilot program.

(B) FINAL REPORT.—Not later than 15 days after the Secretary completes the pilot program under this subsection, the Secretary shall submit to Congress a final report on the pilot program.

(C) CONTENTS OF REPORT.—Each report required by this subsection shall include, for the period covered by the report—

(i) the number of firearms described in subsection (a)(2) transferred under the pilot program; and

(ii) information on any crimes committed using firearms transferred under the pilot program.

(c) Limitation On Transfer Of Surplus Caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 Pistols.—The Secretary may not transfer firearms described in subsection (b)(2) under subchapter II of chapter 407 of title 36, United States Code, until the date that is 60 days after the date of the submittal of the final report required under subsection (b)(4)(B).

Interesting, so only 10,000 per year. These will go fast and for stupid money.

Oh, yea.

Not gonna happen.  

How many Garands does the CMP sell in a year?

Either way, I'd like to see them limit these 1911s to one per person.

Yeah, but remember one just doesn't transfer government property, especially weapons, by just having a CMP truck drive up to a warehouse and shovel everything on. There's paperwork. Lots of it. And the guys doing the work have other jobs to do.

So 10,000 a year is probably a limit to ensure they get moved but don't overwhelm the system.

way more than are coming in now which is none.

I have to agree. At least at first.

It will be interesting to see the price points.

And I agree , one per person to start off with.

CMP puts out an Email newsletter.  Don't you get it?  Subscribe to it if not.  It SHOULD be in there.  I get them advertising sales all the time.  

I would love to have one.
It was the greatest training pistol for me need one for the kids.
I still assume that every pistol I carry is single shot.

I would be in for a mil-surp M9, pretty much just for the frame alone.

Rather have M-14s

Are you having a stroke... or am I?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr1735

Which is what I posted the text of above shows just 1911 verbiage.

Well, I'd rather have M1895s, but how about we be happy about what we might be getting?

if O vetos a 13% pay increase for active military it'll get really close to fo time.  

from the above link

Obama has said he wants a 1.3% pay raise for our troops next year
army times here

these are not the guys to piss off right now

When will then, be now?

Iirc, it's not limited to the 1911's with the way they worded it.

Well shit, im going to have to renew my CMP membership now just in case. Been meaning to get some stuff anyways.

look far ones with an SA in a square mark these were rebuilt by Springfield armory in the 60s for military marksman teams.  they are suppose to be alot of them from what I've heard

Soon.

That sentence is missing a comma and a verb.  Depending on where that comma is put, will completely change what it says.
eg.: No, transfer to an FFL is needed if you have a C&R on file with the CMP
OR
No transfer to an FFL is needed, if you have a C&R on file with the CMP.

I don't expect anyone to search for my posts on those two clowns, so I'll sum up:



They're both liberal shape-shifting anti-American dirtwads.



 

LOL

HAHAHA!!!
How the hell did that happen?

I'd walk around with a permanent boner if this thing got signed.

The word  "MAY" gets lots of use in the text.

Kinda like "The secretary of the treasury MAY reopen the registration process after the cutoff" for machine guns.

Not to mention that every single one would have to be inspected and graded.

How many staff/volunteers would be dedicated to that and how many could they process per day?

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how soon?

No way in hell he signs.  Especially not with all the Oregon politics still being played.

I hear Rand is a Glock guy.

This is going to be a while. If this doesn't get vetoed by the president (big if), then you have to wait for:
Big Army to collect and send to CMP.
CMP to inventory, grade, inspect, come up with a plan.
Chaos, probably exceeding what happened when they brought the M1 Carbines back in 2008. You'll have to get stuff postmarked the very first day, etc, etc. Anything not a Springer might well go to auction. 10,000 will go quickly even at $5-600 a pop, mostly because you are going to have a ton of buyers who don't realize these are beat to hell workhorses, not commercial Colts. Field grades should be priced around $250, rack around $325, and then anything exceeding that starts to be collectible, so there isn't really any accounting for the prices.

I'll definitely grab one, just to own a piece of history, but it will likely be a very painful endeavor. The interest for these has to be 20X what the interest in the M1 Carbines was, and those sold very quickly, at fairly high prices versus what new commercial models were going for at the time.

The parts will be very interesting though. I'd expect complete rebuild kits to be priced at a song.

I know it will never happen, but if I could find the one my Dad carried in Vietnam (turned in right before he came home) I'd pay thousands.

I am okay with waiting.  The CMP does good work.

Me too, but I don't have the s/n.



 

Promise to shit yourself if it does happen?



 

Having not read the thread, let me just say, Obama will not sign it.



No way on earth.

It's a small part of a huge spending bill. To say it proves they're anti-gun is dishonest.

That's a typical trick pols use. Someone votes against a bill for a completely different reason, and he's attacked for being anti-gun or whatever.

Is it me, or does the language of the bill also limit the CMP 10K guns of any type, not just 1911's?

Also sounds like they want CMP to get a FFL?

No, we're good, it specifically limits the 10,000 to the guns described.

not more than 10,000 firearms described in paragraph (2).

(2) FIREARMS DESCRIBED.—The firearms described in this paragraph are surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare parts and related accessories for those pistols that, on the date of the enactment of this section, are under the control of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements of the Department of the Army.

Also, yes as I read it these will need to be transferred like any other firearm, unlike their .30 and .22 rifles. I believe that they already have an FFL though as they sell a lot of commercial rifles.

Same here.

This falls into the category of "I know the Army is great at keeping records, even records they don't need.... and the Army is great at losing this, often whichever thing you at the time you need it most."

I figure the only way someone is finding one of these needles in the haystack is if they are high enough up the political or Pentagon food chain to assign it to an O-2 they don't like and tell them they'll never be promoted if they fail.

I want to apologize now for hoping that you shit yourself



 

Passed by veto proof majority

I'm actually surprised.

This.  We need to start using some of the democrat's dirty tricks.  It's how they get shit done

Good.

The vast majority of people do not have a C&R and I would be very surprised if they will send a pistol to your door with just fulfilling the requirements that have sufficed for long guns.