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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:29:19 PM EDT
[#1]
Damn right it hurts other people. The last safe I bought had a guy's finger in it.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:29:55 PM EDT
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That is his response after asking for him to elaborate. Thanks for the replies so far. Where are you conversing with this hipster beta bitch? |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:30:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:32:32 PM EDT
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In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? Simple reply, and you can use the same concept to assess many ideas. Substitute the "you owning guns" part, with "you having free speech".... Every day, we exercise free speech, but it is entirely possible that someone can misuse free speech. To slander others, incite violence, lie and misrepresent things, etc. etc. Does that mean we should curtail free speech? ETA: Along these lines, if someone abuses their right of free speech, we have laws that define the infraction and then prescribe measures to judge and possibly punish the offender. The same thing holds true with firearms ownership. Mere possession is not a particular crime against someone, but if someone misuses the firearm, ie: uses it to commit a crime, assault, etc, then that is a crime with a prescribed consequence. We would do well to punish actual crimes, not the "potential crime" of possession. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:33:48 PM EDT
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The problem with Freedom of Speech and the advent of the Internet is that any fool can make a total ass of themselves.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:37:49 PM EDT
[#6]
Excuse me, where did you say you went to school? Damn man, you sure wasted your mom and dad's money.
Next time, go to a good school and do yourself a favor and learn how to think logically and reason things out so you don't go around asking stupid question based on assumptions you're clearly not able to think through on your own. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:40:30 PM EDT
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Bet the fag you are arguing with has a camera of some sort.
Cameras are regularly used to take perv photos of little kids. Therefore, the idiot you are arguing with is a skeevie fuck who touches little kids inappropriately. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:40:50 PM EDT
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"You're a fucking idiot."
Seriously, this person has the philosophy of servitude jammed so far up their ass that there's no hope of a rational discussion. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:42:26 PM EDT
[#9]
I don't give a fuck
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:42:39 PM EDT
[#10]
Does my being able to own a car hurt others because people hurt other people using cars?
What about cell phones + driving? What about ball-peen hammers? What about bombs? |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:46:27 PM EDT
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You using free speech to express opinions doesn't hurt other people, but the fact that everyone has free speech, and some people use that speech to lie and take advantage of others means that the right to free speech hurts people. Thus the government should regulate what people can and cannot say to protect people. Except that a lot of liberals would probably agree with that. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:47:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:56:56 PM EDT
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Bet the fag you are arguing with has a camera of some sort. Cameras are regularly used to take perv photos of little kids. Therefore, the idiot you are arguing with is a skeevie fuck who touches little kids inappropriately. I like that one, too and have used it many times. It is quite salient nowadays that everyone has a cell phone camera. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:57:36 PM EDT
[#14]
The correct answer is: "What the fuck are you babbling about?"
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:02:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except that a lot of liberals would probably agree with that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You using free speech to express opinions doesn't hurt other people, but the fact that everyone has free speech, and some people use that speech to lie and take advantage of others means that the right to free speech hurts people. Thus the government should regulate what people can and cannot say to protect people. Except that a lot of liberals would probably agree with that. I phones can be used to download child porn, therefore you being allowed to own an i-phone hurts children, thus I-phones should be banned. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:07:18 PM EDT
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Drinking a beer or owning a car is worse. It contributes to drunk driving. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Beat me to it. 80k + alcohol related deaths per year, but no one is demanding tough new alcohol control laws. In fact, I wrote a little something about that very topic. http://responsiblecitizensdemand.blogspot.com/ I would say that it would make a liberal's head explode, but they probably won't read it because feels. If they were truly about saving lives, they'd be pushing this. They're not, because it would affect THEM. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:12:56 PM EDT
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The only answer is the truth but everyone tap dances around it. Always mentioning self defense from home invaders and stuff like that. No one want to tell it like it is.
Tell them that the right exists because human history has shown that humans are capable of great evil, especially when in great power. The right exists to be a barrier to government lever evil. Sure it might not happen in our immediate lifetime but what about the next generation, or the one after that. To disarm or limit us now because modern life is nice and cozy at the moment it for say Fck you to the next generations after us. Its selfish as shit but of course folks who support gun control only care about themselves on the whole. I love my family and I will surely love my grandchildren and if I love long enough I will most definitely love my Great Grandchildren. While I will be dead and gone I can leave the earth knowing I did everything possible to ensure their safety from human history inevitably coming around. Yes bad people do bad things wit guns occasionally But the occasional nutjob going crazy is NOTHING like an armed and unchallenged government of them. We are not selfish, we love our kids, we love freedom. They do not. Response? Disarming a populace directly gets them exterminated at some point. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:13:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rights aren't invalidated by the potential of anothers misuse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? Rights aren't invalidated by the potential of anothers misuse. The red part above is the response you're looking for. At the heart of it, it's a "personal responsibility" issue. You've harmed no one by owning and having access to firearms. Period. If somebody else commits a crime with a firearm you are still innocent in the exercising of your gun rights. Period. If somebody else messes up then that's on them and you should not be punished for any action or event for which (a) you had no part in and (b) had no way to control yourself. As another poster implied in this thread, should your friend lose his car and drivers license because his neighbor across the street got into a car accident and hurt somebody? It's the same analogy and if he still refuses to see the fallacy of his original argument then he can't be helped. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:15:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have a right to a risk-free life. And I'm not obligated to give up my rights to make you feel safe. And there's nothing you can really do to stop me from exercising them, law or no. Also a good response. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:15:14 PM EDT
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Same logic applies to:
The first Amendment Bowling balls wine enemas knives hammers screw drivers cars etc etc And only one of those other things is a right |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:17:42 PM EDT
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In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? No it doesn't. Arguing with idiots is not going to change what the gun-grabbers will or won't do. They are committed to this course for a number of reasons. All you're doing is pointing yourself out for them to screw with you. For the most part, people putting out anti-gun statements like that are either stupid beyond helping or leftists arguing in bad faith. Nothing you say is going to matter to either of those groups. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:52:07 PM EDT
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How about "I've been to one World's Fair, a picnic, and a rodeo and that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen on a computer screen."
or "Are you on drugs?" |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:57:04 PM EDT
[#23]
It's a waste of time to argue with people like that. Go full Alinsky on them if you're looking for some entertainment, but they're a lost cause. Spend your real effort on the pro-gun folks who want a few more common sense expansions on background checks. That's where the next fight is and where we are weakest. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:02:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:04:02 PM EDT
[#25]
So they bamboozled the public into fearing second hand smoke, now they will fool them into "Second hand gun?" lol
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:04:09 PM EDT
[#26]
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You using free speech to express opinions doesn't hurt other people, but the fact that everyone has free speech, and some people use that speech to lie and take advantage of others means that the right to free speech hurts people. Thus the government should regulate what people can and cannot say to protect people. This. Then be prepared for the next horseshit loaf they will vomit up. "Fire in a crowded theater". Once again, you have the right to scream "Fire" in crowded theater, the 1st ammendment is simply not a bar to you being tried for the deaths from the trampling that resulted if there was no fire. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:11:00 PM EDT
[#27]
Guns exist in this world. Grow a pair. Now turn it in..............
Or........... Because EVIL exist...........I have a right to defend myself from it. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:12:36 PM EDT
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Bullshit. No one has a right to murder. And everyone has the means to murder. This. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:15:47 PM EDT
[#29]
Your anti friend is a democrat and democrats want to remove the 2A to control the population
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:17:44 PM EDT
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"I don't care." 
My question is does he believe this or is he trapped and totally unwilling to admit he is wrong? |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:33:28 PM EDT
[#31]
Liberal dumbass with liberal dumbass views. They're dangerous and should be locked up.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:35:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Just the opposite. In any state with CC, predators have no way of knowing who is carrying and who isn't.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:35:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Fuck you
What color is the sky in your world? Eat a bag of dicks It's hard to argue with that kind of stupidity - but you might ask him what the world would look like if applied to other rights like freedom of expression, or right to own property, or would this not also apply to allowing people to own baseball bats or knives? |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:36:04 PM EDT
[#34]
You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. Answer: Hurting someone is not a right. Therefor the statement is incorrect. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:37:51 PM EDT
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USSC 04-278: Castle Rock v. Gonzalez
Nobody is going to protect you. Do it yourself or suffer the conseqences. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:41:49 PM EDT
[#36]
Look right at him and say "Baaaaa"
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:50:52 PM EDT
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God gave you a dick. That right of a particular organ, does not give you the privilege of raping women of your choosing. You choose to be a man of good upstanding or a rapist.
Followed closely by Fuck Off and make sure you wipe your Vagina when you done peeing. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:53:11 PM EDT
[#38]
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In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? You cant hold people accountable for something they have not done or might do. Disarming millions of innocent people is not a legitimate or valid solution to stop/prevent violent crime. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:58:41 PM EDT
[#39]
Eat my shit, you fucking idiot.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:00:02 AM EDT
[#40]
Not owning a gun makes you a liability when the $@*^ hits the fan.
Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:00:20 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? As an innocent but poor person wrongly targeted by the police I have a right to a public defender, but a REAL criminal gets a public defender too, and that means he may get off on a technicality, which hurts society. Therefore, no one should get lawyers.  As an adult citizen, I get to vote. As a responsible voter, I do some research before I vote and make what I think are informed decisions. But because I have the right to vote simply because I am a citizen and of legal age....so does everyone else, including dummies who are ill informed and who may be easily swayed to vote for politicians who are going to be very bad for us all. Therefore, no one should be allowed to vote. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:13:40 AM EDT
[#42]
People that use their first amendment to spout Communism/Socialism cause the downfall of liberty........We should limit the first amendment too.....
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:17:44 AM EDT
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Some folks are just not cut out for liberty.
Find an oppressive government and make the switch...whats so hard about that? Hell, Mexico is close and they have dreamy gun laws , zero corruption, and no gun crime! Go on now, your utopia awaits. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:17:45 AM EDT
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Obama's First Amendment right to free speech and freedom of association (community organizer) has done more to damage the lives of millions of Americans than ANYONE's Second Amendment rights ever did.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:17:58 AM EDT
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re: anything can be a dildo if your brave enough
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:24:47 AM EDT
[#46]
I have a right to own and drink beer
I have a right to own and drive a car Those rights dont give someone the right to drive drunk |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:25:26 AM EDT
[#47]
"Some people need hurtin, especially twat liberals such as yourself"
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:29:41 AM EDT
[#48]
We have a natural right of self-defense, whether that be from the bad guy next door or a tyrannical government. We defend ourselves effectively with firearms. That's what the 2A protects. It's really not any more complicated than that.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:33:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:33:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck off sounds good to me.  |
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