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Posted: 10/7/2015 8:46:07 PM EDT
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Bunk owns page three |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 8:46:46 PM EDT
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I have been through one and it is nothing like on tv. Mine lasted for about 3 hours. I had to go through one because my ex-wife accused me of molesting our 3 children, which I have posted about before.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 8:52:11 PM EDT
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During AIT at Ft Mclellan, AL in 1989, I was "randomly" selected to go over to the Polygraph school that was also on post. We were told at the time this was were all of the Federal polygraphers were trained. And they used Army trainees as subjects to get a wide cross-section of people to train the polygraphers. We were also told that nothing that happened there would affect our military careers. My task was to fill out a Federal job application and then I was polygraphed as if I was an applicant. No problem, I was squeaky clean. The polygrapher ran me through the questions then hooked me to the machine. Then he ran the test twice because he didn't believe my answers. I really was a well behaved kid. (Before I joined the Army.  )
Remember how I said nothing was supposed to affect your military career? It was bullshit. One week after visiting Polygraph, my company commander summoned me (and about 10 others who went to Polygraph that day) and interviewed us individually. The big question was, "What's your opinion on nuclear weapons?" When I shipped out to Germany, at the replacement depot I was given the option of choosing from any number of duty stations, as long as it was a Special Weapons Storage Site. I got fast-tracked into a PRP qualification. During my clearance period I never had to take a polygraph like a number of my peers did. Gee, I wonder why that was? LOL. It's like those "personality" tests that don't mean anything, there are no right or wrong answers. Right |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 8:53:29 PM EDT
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I have taken a few, they are complete bullshit. It's just an interrogation tool designed to get you to talk because you think they will find out whatever.
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Took 3 when I was trying to get hired as a cop. I somehow failed one. The lady giving it was a complete bitch and my hatred for her must have shown. Had a friend, former State and "other" agency guy, that said never admit anything. This. I was also asked questions about my sex life and I had no idea what it had to do with getting hired for an agency. I was accused of lying about something in a past job that was well documented, even though the paper work stated I had never been in any trouble EVER in that career they did not believe it and I had to write previous bosses of mine for recommendations, never mind the fact that these guys were all retired at that point(Huge pain in the ass to track them all down). After getting hired I wondered how these other dirt bags got the job. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:26:29 PM EDT
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I dont remember it being that bad. He asked me all the questions before hooking me up to the machine. All answers were yes/no. Perhaps they went easy on me because i wasnt after a super secret security clearance ar anything
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:37:15 PM EDT
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I've taken a couple as part of the hiring process for two different fire departments. Both were actually given by the same guy at the same place.
He was not aggressive or weird. It didn't feel like a big deal, honestly. I really think FD's use them to weed out the obvious weirdos and as a CYA measure. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:06:48 PM EDT
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didn't CIA polygraphs fail to catch several traitors? And FBI. While they were doing it. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:30:21 PM EDT
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It's junk science and operator dependent. How is this shit still considered valid? Even more disconcerting, why are they still slavishly used by LE, intelligence, and security clearances for employment/clearance? If you need a good interview to learn about a person, then get a good interviewer and be honest about your reasons. Don't hide behind a piece of 1920s quackery invented before the EKG (1921 vs 1923) in the era of drinking radium water as a cure-all. That's institutional idiocy. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:39:24 PM EDT
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Yes and they suck bad. Even though you're innocent/truthful, you still sweat it and feel stressed and crappy afterwards.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:41:03 PM EDT
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No, but I offered once, at which point the police lost interest in me. What were you suspected of that would have warranted a poly? I've always thought they were bullshit for a service related stuff. I can understand the intent behind them, but they people they let conduct them are as bad as the psych eval nut jobs. Waste of time and resources. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:41:50 PM EDT
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Yes.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:58:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: didn't CIA polygraphs fail to catch several traitors? Yes, because the CIA teaches you to beat lie detectors lol |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:23:03 AM EDT
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Lol one of my buddies failed the poly's for I think 4 departments before he found one that would hire him. He made the mistake of researching polygraphs before hand and telling the first tester that he thought they where bullshit. Surprisingly he then failed ;) . It's no big thing though I passed mine easy enough I just went to my zen cool place and took long slow deliberate relaxing breaths. Only one that showed "deception" was the question about sex but apparently they said that to everyone who was in my academy class. Good thing I didn't know blowjobs where a crime against nature in VA at the time cause I like receiving them law be damned! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Trying to get into law enforcement and every department wants one. Lol one of my buddies failed the poly's for I think 4 departments before he found one that would hire him. He made the mistake of researching polygraphs before hand and telling the first tester that he thought they where bullshit. Surprisingly he then failed ;) . It's no big thing though I passed mine easy enough I just went to my zen cool place and took long slow deliberate relaxing breaths. Only one that showed "deception" was the question about sex but apparently they said that to everyone who was in my academy class. Good thing I didn't know blowjobs where a crime against nature in VA at the time cause I like receiving them law be damned! I was once told I had a "reaction" to a question about child pornography and one about sharing private/personal information with people who were not allowed to see it; two things I have never been involved in. Never done any research on them, so I was probably my own worst enemy being all nervous for my first one  . Hopefully I'll get hired soon and I can be done with the whole testing process.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:24:23 AM EDT
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for employment, yeah...
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:29:27 AM EDT
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Me either. Glad my department didn't require one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't believe they work. Me either. Glad my department didn't require one. I already miss your avatar's creepy face |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:31:10 AM EDT
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Yep. Mind games.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:33:44 AM EDT
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Had to.......NO.
Wanted to........YES. Though if I did...........I might have FAILED. The thing is.........I've heard that if you really imagine something in your mind hard enough. Then, it just could be YOUR REALITY (even though it only happened in your mind). So, becareful of what you wish for. True or not........I don't know. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 3:03:36 AM EDT
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Entire shop had to take one after a rifle was stolen at the manufacturer I worked at. Well, entire shop except for the shop manager. He kept calling in sick, taking vacation days when his was scheduled.
Boss told him to come in and take it or quit. He quit. Nothing else was said about the missing rifle. Hmmm. 
Interesting fact about about the guy that did our polygraphs. He was the guy that did James Earl Rays polygraph. It was interesting to talk to him afterwards. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 3:11:15 AM EDT
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yes for an interview
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Posted: 10/8/2015 3:28:38 AM EDT
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Buddy of mine took one for a cop job. It said he was lying or being deceptive about using and sell drugs.
This is a guy I know for a fact has never even taken a hit of weed before. 
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Posted: 10/8/2015 3:33:51 AM EDT
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I've taken plenty.
Wasn't fun at first. It gets better. 
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Posted: 10/8/2015 8:13:25 AM EDT
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What were you suspected of that would have warranted a poly? I've always thought they were bullshit for a service related stuff. I can understand the intent behind them, but they people they let conduct them are as bad as the psych eval nut jobs. Waste of time and resources. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, but I offered once, at which point the police lost interest in me. What were you suspected of that would have warranted a poly? I've always thought they were bullshit for a service related stuff. I can understand the intent behind them, but they people they let conduct them are as bad as the psych eval nut jobs. Waste of time and resources. An acquaintance committed suicide with my nightstand gun. I was never a suspect, but they were really, really curious about how she got it. I explained it to them about five times on two separate occasions and finally got tired of talking about it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 8:38:20 AM EDT
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................ An acquaintance committed suicide with my nightstand gun. I was never a suspect, but they were really, really curious about how she got it. I explained it to them about five times on two separate occasions and finally got tired of talking about it. 
Did you ever get your gun back? |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 8:57:27 AM EDT
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The technique the retard polygrapher used on me was to hound me about a particular subject to the point it was really starting to annoy me. Then he claimed my annoyed bio reactions were indications of deception, even when the first 20 times he asked the same thing nothing showed.
He also freaked out saying I was trying to cheat because my breathing was too even. I loosened up and just breathed more relaxed and he freaked because I'd take bigger breaths from time to time. I'm convinced that dude was the office moron and they found one job that kept him away from others. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:25:07 AM EDT
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Did you ever get your gun back? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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................ An acquaintance committed suicide with my nightstand gun. I was never a suspect, but they were really, really curious about how she got it. I explained it to them about five times on two separate occasions and finally got tired of talking about it.
Did you ever get your gun back? Yeah, about a year later, the finish misted from the glue tank. I traded it for my first 1911. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:27:10 AM EDT
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Yeah, about a year later, the finish misted from the glue tank. I traded it for my first 1911. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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................ An acquaintance committed suicide with my nightstand gun. I was never a suspect, but they were really, really curious about how she got it. I explained it to them about five times on two separate occasions and finally got tired of talking about it.
Did you ever get your gun back? Yeah, about a year later, the finish misted from the glue tank. I traded it for my first 1911. Glad you got it back but what does the part in red mean? |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:27:30 AM EDT
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Yes, but they cannot use it in a job setting. I don't know about pre screening interviews
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:29:42 AM EDT
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My personal experience worked at LEO agency where someone was stealing money... I thought a specific person was the guilty party 99% sure...but had zero proof We all had to take a polygraph the one question I "Lied" on as by the polygraphs results was the one that asked if I knew who took the money... I answered no because I did not "KNOW" I only had suspicions So they thought I was covering for a friend...I told them who I thought it was but stated I had no proof...Turned out I was wrong and that the thief was a women that had quit when her husband had PCS'd to Germany.... so the science is far from perfect... It's not detecting a lie, its detecting factors that may indicate you are concealing the facts. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:35:08 AM EDT
[#29]
Never. I would probably fail it even if I were telling the truth.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:27:10 AM EDT
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I've taken them. The last one, the tester (who told me he taught polygraph machine use at the academy) told me that I was either a sociopath, or I was being 100% true on everything, he couldn't tell. He also told me he was going to use my results in his class as an example of both. *shrug* The shit isn't hard. Maybe you are both. I can't discount that. The guy giving the poly did try to play a mind game, he had a packet that appeared to be my entire background investigation (I was applying to Henrico VA PD), and he said "I need to make a copy of something, I'll be right back" and as he stood up, he subtly pushed the packet towards me. Me, being 40 years old, noted the packet but declined to open it as I knew what was in there. Then I realized that A: I was in an interrogation room with cameras in the ceiling, and B: that it was a tricky 'test' of my honesty. So I sat back and played with my cuticles for 2 minutes until he came back in the room. I did pass the poly and has been said, it wasn't really even used as a pass/fail for the process... just to get folks to admit to stuff they didn't on the background out of fear/etc. One funny anecdote: he asked me if I'd ever stolen anything from anywhere I'd worked worth more than $20... to which we had an entertaining discussion about how stealing 19 dollars worth of merchandise is somehow ok but not 20 dollars worth... |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:37:38 AM EDT
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I have been through one and it is nothing like on tv. Mine lasted for about 3 hours. I had to go through one because my ex-wife accused me of molesting our 3 children, which I have posted about before. Wow that's beyond fucked up. What a bitch |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:55:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I took one. The cop didn't like me, said that I was 'trying to alter my results' despite the fact that I spoke truthfully 100%, I guess I was nervous? He said that I was lying, and the fact that I admitted I owned silencers and SBRs was an automatic disqualification. Wasted like 9 months of my life trying to get that job too. Still thinking about going back and going for it again. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:57:40 AM EDT
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I've taken several. I entered the work force back when it was a normal thing for employers to give prospective hires polygraphs.
I think I've taken four IIRC. The questioner does his best to make you nervous and put you ill at ease. Didn't work with me. I just concentrated on maintaining a baseline throughout the experience because the test doesn't measure if you're lying, it measures if you're nervous. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:59:25 AM EDT
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I have to laugh whenever I see someone on the reality cop shows taking a polygraph. The only thing they're doing is trying to force a confession and you'd have to be a fool to agree to take a polygraph for the police, particularly since it's not admissible in court.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:03:38 AM EDT
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I have been through one and it is nothing like on tv. Mine lasted for about 3 hours. I had to go through one because my ex-wife accused me of molesting our 3 children, which I have posted about before. The only thing I hate worse than a child molester is someone who would make false accusations against somebody about it. That kind of thing will ruin your life, even after you have been exonerated. 
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:06:28 AM EDT
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Luckily they were outlawed for any type of job I would apply for before I entered the workforce. I find it highly disturbing they are still used for jobs that were exempted considering it is basically no different than phrenology.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:06:55 AM EDT
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Pseudo-science silliness. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:16:04 AM EDT
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Funny I have a TS SCI Clearance and still won't take one
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:20:12 AM EDT
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Nope, know a guy who does them. A lot of it is mind games wth him just using the machine as a prop to get confessions, although he is convinced it works. He could get the same results with the old " lie/ truth" photocopier gag some cops used /this I've been polygraphed a couple of times at my jobs. It was clear that the examiner was just trying to elicit a confession. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:21:38 AM EDT
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The technique the retard polygrapher used on me was to hound me about a particular subject to the point it was really starting to annoy me. Then he claimed my annoyed bio reactions were indications of deception, even when the first 20 times he asked the same thing nothing showed. He also freaked out saying I was trying to cheat because my breathing was too even. I loosened up and just breathed more relaxed and he freaked because I'd take bigger breaths from time to time. I'm convinced that dude was the office moron and they found one job that kept him away from others. Thats just it though. If a poly examiner never fails anyone, then obviously it doesnt work! Its complete joke-fuckery. Blows my mind that people believe in it. Its equatable to homeopathic medicine and flat earth theorists.Or that bomb dousing rod that sold millions Didnt the guy who invented the machine come out and say it doesnt work? |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:32:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Buddy of mine took one for a cop job. It said he was lying or being deceptive about using and sell drugs. This is a guy I know for a fact has never even taken a hit of weed before. Even if you're good on all the questions, the interviewer will often pick one out of a hat and tell you the machine detected deception in order to see how you react. Just another way the machine is used to get inside your head. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:41:05 AM EDT
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The penis size questions are tough to get past.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:53:40 AM EDT
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The penis size questions are tough to get past. If you believe it, it's not a lie. 
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:11:26 PM EDT
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I voluntarily took one around 30 years ago as part of a criminal investigation. It lasted a couple of hours and it was filled with a lot of questions that had little or nothing to do with the crime. When it was over, they thanked me for my time and that was all.
I wasn't really a suspect (or at least I don't think I was), I was a possible witness. They believed I was at the scene of a crime and could ID the perp. I told them I wasn't and I couldn't. I was pretty sure I knew who did it, but I wasn't there and didn't see him.
I agreed to the test because the police said they'd stop calling me 10 times a day, stop coming around to where I worked, stop inviting me to the local cop shop and stop bugging my friends and family if I took the test. It didn't work. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 3:53:28 PM EDT
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/this I've been polygraphed a couple of times at my jobs. It was clear that the examiner was just trying to elicit a confession. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, know a guy who does them. A lot of it is mind games wth him just using the machine as a prop to get confessions, although he is convinced it works. He could get the same results with the old " lie/ truth" photocopier gag some cops used /this I've been polygraphed a couple of times at my jobs. It was clear that the examiner was just trying to elicit a confession. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 5:05:23 PM EDT
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The penis size questions are tough to get past. No kidding. If he were to ask me if I were under a foot, I'm afraid I'f fail due to laughter. 
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Posted: 10/8/2015 6:09:53 PM EDT
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It's not detecting a lie, its detecting factors that may indicate you are concealing the facts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My personal experience worked at LEO agency where someone was stealing money... I thought a specific person was the guilty party 99% sure...but had zero proof We all had to take a polygraph the one question I "Lied" on as by the polygraphs results was the one that asked if I knew who took the money... I answered no because I did not "KNOW" I only had suspicions So they thought I was covering for a friend...I told them who I thought it was but stated I had no proof...Turned out I was wrong and that the thief was a women that had quit when her husband had PCS'd to Germany.... so the science is far from perfect... It's not detecting a lie, its detecting factors that may indicate you are concealing the facts. that's the whole problem... I was not concealing "facts" I was concealing "Conjecture and Suspicion" that turned out to be wrong... |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 6:12:23 PM EDT
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Had to.......NO. Wanted to........YES. Though if I did...........I might have FAILED. The thing is.........I've heard that if you really imagine something in your mind hard enough. Then, it just could be YOUR REALITY (even though it only happened in your mind). So, becareful of what you wish for. True or not........I don't know. Aloha, Mark All it does is measure your body's reaction to your emotional state when you are posed a question (most people care about telling the truth and it makes them emotionally upset to lie). If you don't care about the question/truth, the machine is useless. Don't believe me, go look at polys given to severe sociopaths. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 6:15:23 PM EDT
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I had to do one as a condition of employment.
It was..... interesting. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 7:36:41 PM EDT
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I've taken two. One while I was trying to join a PD and the other in my last job.
The first one was SOP for the hiring process for the PD I wanted to join. I follow all of the laws except for those pertaining to speeding... But they didn't ask about that. I was naturally nervous and the guy who administered it said I responded to him asking about if I have committed any sex crimes. He then attempted to have me confess to crimes I didn't commit. Not a pleasant experience to say the least. Second time was during my employment. There was some sort of fraud committed in a nearby branch of the company I worked for. So I failed at that one miserably as well! I told the truth to everybody who asked about it. While they might work for some, I'm not convinced that they do the trick. |
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