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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:33:51 PM EDT
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The only plausible wizardry is the new SD rounds which somehow manage long pistol barrel velocities from a short barrel and 380 that is actually lethal...ish.
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:39:08 PM EDT
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A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb.
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:41:05 PM EDT
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A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do 
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:41:31 PM EDT
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A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. A hydrashok will stop your heart if it hits you in the toe. It's called that because of the hydraulic shock wave that goes through you when it hits you. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:45:11 PM EDT
[#5]
PLACEMENT... there are no magic bullets!
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:47:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:49:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. I heard a fucker say that about the 460 S&W. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:49:43 PM EDT
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The ARX I shot choked a dead nuts reliable Glock.
I keep asking "Have you killed anything with it?" but none of the snake oil salesman can show me a video or post mortem pics. Go figure. Physics are a bitch. I'd hate to be a gun oil salesman, too. eta - free box of ARX to anyone local in PHX if they promise to kill something javelina sized or bigger and video it. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:51:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do It would have it's way with you first.  |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:55:28 PM EDT
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The counter the article, often times far too much significance is placed upon ammo selection as if that is the only factor that matters in a self defense encounter. The article seems to suggest the ammo companies have some kind of liability for making a product that may not work as well as the best in the market. I disagree with that assertion; people can make their own choices for what ammo they choose to stake their lives on.
In reality a lot of this is just splitting hairs, as just by having a gun and sending rounds at an attacker is enough to stop the vast majority of encounters; the whole "thug hopped up on PCP that needs 20 rounds to bring down" is so incredibly rare as to be almost irrelevant. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:58:10 PM EDT
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I only carry hollowpoints filed with bees and gluten.
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:58:56 PM EDT
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I figure if HST's are good enough for the FBI I'll just keep using that until I get my 40 Watts of blaster
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:59:34 PM EDT
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A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do If it passes within a foot of you you're dead!
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:02:06 PM EDT
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I only carry hollowpoints filed with bees and gluten. LoL. Do you put peanut dust in them as well??!!??
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:05:34 PM EDT
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LoL. Do you put peanut dust in them as well??!!?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I only carry hollowpoints filed with bees and gluten. LoL. Do you put peanut dust in them as well??!!?? Transfats also. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:08:25 PM EDT
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I only carry hollowpoints filed with bees and gluten. Warcrime. 
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:09:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:12:57 PM EDT
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Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do You don't have to guess. 
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:16:48 PM EDT
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I prefer the reliability of FMJ over any sort of wizardry. IMO, fancy bullets should be reserved for hunting. The only non-FMJ rounds that are good for HD/SD are frangible projectiles.
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:18:18 PM EDT
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The ARX I shot choked a dead nuts reliable Glock. I keep asking "Have you killed anything with it?" but none of the snake oil salesman can show me a video or post mortem pics. Go figure. Physics are a bitch. I'd hate to be a gun oil salesman, too. eta - free box of ARX to anyone local in PHX if they promise to kill something javelina sized or bigger and video it. The DRT and Lehigh guys regularly take people on deer hunts with their .223 ammo. Of course, I don't think the deer shoot back or take cover. ARX sent me some ammo (I wouldn't have bought any to test) so maybe I'll use that on a javelina hunt, if I ever put in. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:20:17 PM EDT
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Any time I read an article that uses 'You see, ....', I feel like the writer is one step above illiterate.
I'm sure it's not true. It's just a weird reaction on my part. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:23:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:23:44 PM EDT
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A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. I've got a couple of boxes in the safe. I've been too afraid for years to open it. I'm afraid I might spontaneously combust or something. 
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:24:35 PM EDT
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The counter the article, often times far too much significance is placed upon ammo selection as if that is the only factor that matters in a self defense encounter. The article seems to suggest the ammo companies have some kind of liability for making a product that may not work as well as the best in the market. I disagree with that assertion; people can make their own choices for what ammo they choose to stake their lives on. In reality a lot of this is just splitting hairs, as just by having a gun and sending rounds at an attacker is enough to stop the vast majority of encounters; the whole "thug hopped up on PCP that needs 20 rounds to bring down" is so incredibly rare as to be almost irrelevant. I agree that shit placement is obviously the most important factor, followed very closely by having enough penetration to reach vital organs. I did not mean to imply that ammo makers have any legal liability, but I do believe it is unethical to sell a product that they know doesn't perform the way they claim, wouldn't be useful if it did, and has less chance of stopping a bad guy than more traditional ammo. Some are not as bad as others, though. That Remington Black Belt is merely dumb and not great. The DRT or other shallowly penetrating gimmick is actively dangerous. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:24:57 PM EDT
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PLACEMENT... there are no magic bullets! 
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:25:04 PM EDT
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I had a customer bring in a round of 9mm RIP ammo for the ammo collection I have at the shop. All the sharp edges and cut outs reminded me of those Chinese made "fantasy swords" that are made to impress teenage boys. All flash and show and as worthless as a two week old dead rat.
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. Only if you are tumbling. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:27:10 PM EDT
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.22 won't kill you
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:27:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LoL. Do you put peanut dust in them as well??!!?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I only carry hollowpoints filed with bees and gluten. LoL. Do you put peanut dust in them as well??!!?? I will now! |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:28:09 PM EDT
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Only if you are tumbling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. Only if you are tumbling. And your thumb is in front of your head. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:30:40 PM EDT
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I prefer the reliability of FMJ over any sort of wizardry. IMO, fancy bullets should be reserved for hunting. The only non-FMJ rounds that are good for HD/SD are frangible projectiles. 
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:32:18 PM EDT
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Well, the 7.62 DRT stuff is reasonably nasty. PLENTY of oomph to drop the wild pigs we have here. Lots of damage and good penetration. No problem using it as an HD load. Wouldn't trust the pistol stuff, though. Ammo performance is important, but I've seen too many autopsies with plain old 9mm ball ammo that clipped something important.
One thing I never understood was peoples' aversion to jackets separating from the core. If the core expands and otherwise performs as expected, I've always viewed the separated jacket as an additional wound channel generator. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:34:50 PM EDT
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I prefer the reliability of FMJ over any sort of wizardry. IMO, fancy bullets should be reserved for hunting. The only non-FMJ rounds that are good for HD/SD are frangible projectiles. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:36:37 PM EDT
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I prefer the reliability of FMJ over any sort of wizardry. IMO, fancy bullets should be reserved for hunting. The only non-FMJ rounds that are good for HD/SD are frangible projectiles. That's just incredibly ignorant, or trolling. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:36:41 PM EDT
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Any time I read an article that uses 'You see, ....', I feel like the writer is one step above illiterate. I'm sure it's not true. It's just a weird reaction on my part. I start looking to the writers background, and what makes them knowledgeable on the subject matter. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:46:13 PM EDT
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Any time I read an article that uses 'You see, ....', I feel like the writer is one step above illiterate. I'm sure it's not true. It's just a weird reaction on my part. Yeah, on reflection, that was a bit lazy. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:46:52 PM EDT
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The stupid thing is these guys are still in business now under a different name still selling their stupid crap.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The stupid thing is these guys are still in business now under a different name still selling their stupid crap.. What's the new name? |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:50:06 PM EDT
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In general, I think the "new guys" who come up with some "new" bullet are selling gimmicks.
The big companies like Barnes, Hornaday, Speer, Sierra etc, spend a lot of time and R&D making bullets that do what they say they are going to do. They back this up with actual science and tests for the most part. Though they don't usually claim something new and magical, just updates that give better performance. I am thinking of like Gold Dots, Barnes-X, the new OTM stuff, etc. Now some of that is repackaged and new marketing, trying to sell bullets, but in general they at least perform as they say they will. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:50:32 PM EDT
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I only carry hollowpoints filed with bees and gluten. Call me paranoid, but I add shellfish to your secret recipe |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:50:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:51:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:53:34 PM EDT
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latest gimmickry is polymer projectiles, was a thread on it not too far back
can't find the thread |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:57:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I prefer the reliability of FMJ over any sort of wizardry. IMO, fancy bullets should be reserved for hunting. The only non-FMJ rounds that are good for HD/SD are frangible projectiles. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:57:48 PM EDT
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Good read thanks
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:57:59 PM EDT
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I was pricing 25 packs of these miracle bullets last week and just wanted to scream. What kind of sucker would buy one JHP from another at three times the price?
GTFOH! Well timed thread OP. I was just looking for a quality 50 pack of JHP, maybe +P, and all I could find was 25 packs of whiz bangs for $40. Madness. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 11:58:19 PM EDT
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I will now! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I only carry hollowpoints filed with bees and gluten. LoL. Do you put peanut dust in them as well??!!?? I will now! and mercury... |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 12:04:35 AM EDT
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LULZ
lather and repeat like this is anything new BAT , Glaser , Magsafe, White/Black Rhino, etc etc etc plus a dozen others I can't remember Plus the whole line of 12ga stupidity from All Purpose Ammo been going on for 40 years second verse same as the first |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 12:11:28 AM EDT
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And Fireclean isn't vegetable oil
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Posted: 10/4/2015 12:13:12 AM EDT
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Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A black talon can kill you if it hits you in the thumb. Imagine what a 10mm Black Talon would do A miss is still a hit.....the cavitation causes your organs to explode. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 12:15:22 AM EDT
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Why not an encapsulated cyanide 10mm?
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