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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:02:09 PM EDT
Im facebook friends with a former coworker, we touch base occasionally but arent close or anything. Today he posts a links to a video calling the Viriginia TV murders a hoax and claims he called it the day it happened as a ploy to push more gun control. I try not to get wrapped up in facebook drama but it struck a chord with me. Why are people so quick to dismiss real evil and the simple fact that psychopaths walk among us in favor of ridiculous convoluted conspiracy theories
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He said something different from what the TV says! He must be a retard!
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Because it's much more interesting to come up with a convoluted conspiracy theory than to accept the likely reality of a situation.
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This forum is full of the same type of people. One has already posted.
"It's a media conspiracy!" |
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7/11 was a part time job. View Quote LOL I think there is a conspiracy. Not the shooting itself but what happens after. Say Soros and Bloomberg types coming in and dropping cash to get victims families to tow a line. Fuckin people's bodies aren't even cold and the dad/boyfriend dropping liberal talking points. Not to mention the media's exaggeration of shootings that fit a narrative. |
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He said something different from what the TV says! He must be a retard! Ok, so tell us what happened. If it was a govt hoax I would expected a bigger victim count, and them to have articles, theme songs, slogans, and laws written and ready to go. And promptly block off the area and demolish buildings/evidence |
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He said something different from what the TV says! He must be a retard! This It was actually the assumption that EVERYTHING is a lie and NOTHING is real that set off my "retard alert". I personally watch very little TV, and assume politicians are lying when they speak. The automatic assumption that every little thing that happens is a VAST gov't/corp/big money conspiracy to manipulate politics is some sort of mental illness. ETA: so far his "proof its a hoax" consists of: No visible entrance wound on fleeing female victim No visible ejected brass Shooter had a "white hand" |
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I just "unfriended" him. Fuck it , I've got better shit to do then refute not being able to see gunshot ENTRANCE wounds on a black shirt or EXIT wounds, and the lack of blood, in 3 seconds of shitty cell phone vid. It may be the beer talking , but life is too short to waste on retards who don't know a goddamned thing about ballistics/projectiles, yet think that 3 "public" figures are someone how "in" on a national conspiracy to push gun control legislation by faking a double murder live TV.
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The Sandy Hook truthers were really bad, IMO. The news stories predicting shit wrong, then the report comes out that the asshole used an AR lead to some really interesting retarded theorizing.
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The only media conspiracy is hiding the fact that the perp was a mentally ill, mixed race, homosexual, liberal activist while they push their agenda of trying to get new restrictions passed that would not have had any chance of preventing that incident at all.
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I always kinda considered myself a conspiracy theorist. JFK,Area51,MKUltra...I could see it. Then came the 9/11 truthers. Then the whole "crisis actors" believers. I then realized...nope. I'm not that insane.
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The only media conspiracy is hiding the fact that the perp was a mentally ill, mixed race, homosexual, liberal activist while they push their agenda of trying to get new restrictions passed that would not have had any chance of preventing that incident at all. View Quote Ding Ding Ding!! Some facts must never be mentioned. Not a white male Tea Party maniac? Then it never happened. |
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Ding Ding Ding!! Some facts must never be mentioned. Not a white male Tea Party maniac? Then it never happened. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only media conspiracy is hiding the fact that the perp was a mentally ill, mixed race, homosexual, liberal activist while they push their agenda of trying to get new restrictions passed that would not have had any chance of preventing that incident at all. Ding Ding Ding!! Some facts must never be mentioned. Not a white male Tea Party maniac? Then it never happened. Yep. |
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The only media conspiracy is hiding the fact that the perp was a mentally ill, mixed race, homosexual, liberal activist while they push their agenda of trying to get new restrictions passed that would not have had any chance of preventing that incident at all. Ding Ding Ding!! Some facts must never be mentioned. Not a white male Tea Party maniac? Then it never happened. Yep. Someone found a good article on that subject today. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1783954_The_Virginia_news_crew_murders_and_media_agenda_to_bury_the_truth.html |
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Some people would rather believe in the Illuminati than pure evil. http://johncopenhaver.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/blinders.jpg View Quote The Illuminati ARE pure evil. |
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Someone posted the video with a white hand and blue flannel sleeved shirt, compared to the all black wearing
black shooter. It does make you wonder. |
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No he's a retard because he doesn't have a shred of evidence to the contrary. In this case there is a fucking video and ample witnesses View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He said something different from what the TV says! He must be a retard! No he's a retard because he doesn't have a shred of evidence to the contrary. In this case there is a fucking video and ample witnesses I just watched a dinosaur eat a bunch of people in the movie theater last week but I don't think that really happened, everyone knows the real dinosaurs are in Africa not on some island. |
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I just watched a dinosaur eat a bunch of people in the movie theater last week but I don't think that really happened, everyone knows the real dinosaurs are in Africa not on some island. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He said something different from what the TV says! He must be a retard! No he's a retard because he doesn't have a shred of evidence to the contrary. In this case there is a fucking video and ample witnesses I just watched a dinosaur eat a bunch of people in the movie theater last week but I don't think that really happened, everyone knows the real dinosaurs are in Africa not on some island. Are you suggesting that dinosaurs didn't migrate? |
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He said something different from what the TV says! He must be a retard! No he's a retard because he doesn't have a shred of evidence to the contrary. In this case there is a fucking video and ample witnesses I just watched a dinosaur eat a bunch of people in the movie theater last week but I don't think that really happened, everyone knows the real dinosaurs are in Africa not on some island. Are you suggesting that dinosaurs didn't migrate? I'm not sure what I'm suggesting but I never miss an opportunity to make fun of mdk89 and his dinosaurs. Wait, did I miss a Monty Python joke? Something something, coconuts migrating, aw fuck it it's not funny now. |
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I'm not sure what I'm suggesting but I never miss an opportunity to make fun of mdk89 and his dinosaurs. Wait, did I miss a Monty Python joke? Something something, coconuts migrating, aw fuck it it's not funny now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He said something different from what the TV says! He must be a retard! No he's a retard because he doesn't have a shred of evidence to the contrary. In this case there is a fucking video and ample witnesses I just watched a dinosaur eat a bunch of people in the movie theater last week but I don't think that really happened, everyone knows the real dinosaurs are in Africa not on some island. Are you suggesting that dinosaurs didn't migrate? I'm not sure what I'm suggesting but I never miss an opportunity to make fun of mdk89 and his dinosaurs. Wait, did I miss a Monty Python joke? Something something, coconuts migrating, aw fuck it it's not funny now. OH yeah - that guy. I need a note book to keep track of all the crack pots. |
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Well you could at least have fun with him. Mail him a stuffed animal with a poorly hidden lapel mic inside or something.
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Someone posted the video with a white hand and blue flannel sleeved shirt, compared to the all black wearing black shooter. It does make you wonder. View Quote Have you seen the pictures of the shooter's hands? He had a fairly light complexion for a "black guy". ETA: The Bryce Williams broadcasting holding the mic is a good example. In the shooting vid, compare the hand holding the glock to the victims skintone. The hand holding the Glock is darker. Depending on the camera, colors getting washed out is slso a possibility. The only thing I have doubts about are the IQ levels of people claiming its a hoax based solely on not being able to see the entrance and exit wounds through the victims black shirt as shes fleeing. "Theres no blood", "You can see any wounds!". On a black shirt , on a 3 second cell video, on a victim who turns and runs no less. I think it's the fact that people would choose an absurd, highly unlikely , extremely complicated, possibility over the obvious, and logical probability, that irritates me. Coupled with the denial that people were actually murdered, claiming they're just actors. ETA: another thing Ive seen are people claim that since there were comments on the news stations facebook post that have earlier timestamps, it must be a hoax. IE. news station posts " reporters attacked on air, more info coming at 7:46 AM , first couple of comments are posted and time stamps are at 5:05AM ( off the top of my head, not precise info) Must be a hoax, not some sort of issue with the way Facebook timestamps things. Im no expert but Im pretty sure you can't write comments to a post before it exists on facebook. |
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Some people would rather believe in the Illuminati than pure evil. http://johncopenhaver.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/blinders.jpg The Illuminati ARE pure evil. Don't make me put on my Illuminati robes and come find you. |
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Until proven otherwise, I tend to take the incidents as they occurred.
That said, I find it very odd and downright strange that both post Sandy Hook and the recent Virginia incident had parents showing little emotion, some smiling/laughing before being interviewed and the latest going right to anti-gun propaganda off the bat. |
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FFS. Yes, it was an elaborate hoax, but they forgot to use the same "crisis actor" and clothing.
The "That wasn't the same guy's hand" and "She didn't act like she was shot; those were blanks" arguments are almost as ignorant as "Fire doesn't melt steel". Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Have you seen the pictures of the shooter's hands? He had a fairly light complexion for a "black guy". ETA: The Bryce Williams broadcasting holding the mic is a good example. In the shooting vid, compare the hand holding the glock to the victims skintone. The hand holding the Glock is darker. Depending on the camera, colors getting washed out is slso a possibility. The only thing I have doubts about are the IQ levels of people claiming its a hoax based solely on not being able to see the entrance and exit wounds through the victims black shirt as shes fleeing. "Theres no blood", "You can see any wounds!". On a black shirt , on a 3 second cell video, on a victim who turns and runs no less. I think it's the fact that people would choose an absurd, highly unlikely , extremely complicated, possibility over the obvious, and logical probability, that irritates me. Coupled with the denial that people were actually murdered, claiming they're just actors. ETA: another thing Ive seen are people claim that since there were comments on the news stations facebook post that have earlier timestamps, it must be a hoax. IE. news station posts " reporters attacked on air, more info coming at 7:46 AM , first couple of comments are posted and time stamps are at 5:05AM ( off the top of my head, not precise info) Must be a hoax, not some sort of issue with the way Facebook timestamps things. Im no expert but Im pretty sure you can't write comments to a post before it exists on facebook. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Someone posted the video with a white hand and blue flannel sleeved shirt, compared to the all black wearing black shooter. It does make you wonder. Have you seen the pictures of the shooter's hands? He had a fairly light complexion for a "black guy". ETA: The Bryce Williams broadcasting holding the mic is a good example. In the shooting vid, compare the hand holding the glock to the victims skintone. The hand holding the Glock is darker. Depending on the camera, colors getting washed out is slso a possibility. The only thing I have doubts about are the IQ levels of people claiming its a hoax based solely on not being able to see the entrance and exit wounds through the victims black shirt as shes fleeing. "Theres no blood", "You can see any wounds!". On a black shirt , on a 3 second cell video, on a victim who turns and runs no less. I think it's the fact that people would choose an absurd, highly unlikely , extremely complicated, possibility over the obvious, and logical probability, that irritates me. Coupled with the denial that people were actually murdered, claiming they're just actors. ETA: another thing Ive seen are people claim that since there were comments on the news stations facebook post that have earlier timestamps, it must be a hoax. IE. news station posts " reporters attacked on air, more info coming at 7:46 AM , first couple of comments are posted and time stamps are at 5:05AM ( off the top of my head, not precise info) Must be a hoax, not some sort of issue with the way Facebook timestamps things. Im no expert but Im pretty sure you can't write comments to a post before it exists on facebook. The color of the hand/shirt has to do with the color and brightness balancing of the cell phone. Cell phones suck. They have automatic settings to try to get the best picture and it will often lighten things up. I can take a pic of my hand with a gun, adjust a few settings, and my hand will look dark - like a medium skinned black person or a darker Hispanic. As for the bullet holes, search on arfcom about a mortal chest would. This guy walks right up and shoots himself in the chest, near the heart. When I first saw the video I didn't realized he had actually shot himself yet. There was a few seconds before I realized blood was seeping into his shirt. Bullets wounds aren't like Hollywood with splatter ever where. That and again the cell phone is low quality with l lots of movement. You aren't going to see a small hole in that video. People said she wouldn't have run. I have seen deer with lethal heart and lung shots still run 25 yards before falling. The time stamp is probably based on where he person replying is from. So 7am east coast is 5am mountain time. Really though - let us just assume this was all planned. Don't you think people making a fake event on purpose would make it in such a way there wouldn't be obvious things idiots would latch on to?? No this shit is exactly like the moon landing morons who are like, "There are no stars in the sky in the photos!" |
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I gotta say this though. I gotta hand it to the ATF's marketing dept. After every big mass shooting or officer involved shooting the big news networks always have to drop "ATF responded."
Like they're a fucking help when they aren't shooting innocent people, running guns, or copping bj's in glory holes. According to the news the ATF sounds like the good guys. They have yet to prevent a mass shooting or stop an actual terrorist. But, Boston we were there! SC we were there! Waco 2 times we were there! VA we were there! The Illinois officer that perished we were there! |
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People who question things they see on TV are nutjobs. If it is on TV it has to be true.
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There is a certain segment of the population who is just weak minded. They see a video on youtube with manipulated screenshots and F/B pics and they instantly take it at face value because they want to feel superior (I.E. I'm so enlightened, I know the TRUE story) due to the fact they saw it on youtube/liveleak and not the news. It's a mixture of those folks being slow and having delusions of grandeur.
The girl who was shot had pics with her X-boyfriend on her F/B. They took those on /pol and used them to construct the argument that she was an actor and the guy in the pic was her REAL boyfriend. Same thing when a time stamp is in a different time zone and they try and pretend it was posted BEFORE the incident occurred. . . . or the stupid thing where the guy's hand wasn't black enough. It's all for weak minded people to take in and absorb. Idiots see that mixed in with a youtube video and instantly get that superiority complex feeling and start spewing bullshit on the internet. It's kind of pathetic. The media isn't always right, but this sort of shit is so far from a conspiracy theory that only the most weak minded retards believe it. occam's razor you fucking conspiracy theory tards. |
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FFS. Yes, it was an elaborate hoax, but they forgot to use the same "crisis actor" and clothing. The "That wasn't the same guy's hand" and "She didn't act like she was shot; those were blanks" arguments are almost as ignorant as "Fire doesn't melt steel". Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote Many people who are shot and even die latter of their wounds, don't necessarily feel the pain right away or react as one mortally wounded because of adrenaline dump. |
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"Conspiracy theory" is often a mute button used to silence, dismiss, and discredit an alternative to the approved narrative on a given topic. The idea may be truly stupid, or it might be exactly correct but problematic for those with a vested interest in the official version.
We get lied to so much these days only true fools take the official version of anything as gospel. That's not to say that many of the alternative ideas have merit (chemtrails, lunar landing hoax, etc.), it's just to say that it's always good to question the official story. As such, I reject the label. |
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Many people who are shot and even die latter of their wounds, don't necessarily feel the pain right away or react as one mortally wounded because of adrenaline dump. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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FFS. Yes, it was an elaborate hoax, but they forgot to use the same "crisis actor" and clothing. The "That wasn't the same guy's hand" and "She didn't act like she was shot; those were blanks" arguments are almost as ignorant as "Fire doesn't melt steel". Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Many people who are shot and even die latter of their wounds, don't necessarily feel the pain right away or react as one mortally wounded because of adrenaline dump. I made that point in a few threads. Unless it's a CNS or physically disabling hit, a person's defense mechanism is going to be to get away from the threat. Especially when ambushed as in this case. Too many people think it's like TV/movies where someone is either knocked to the ground or instantly incapacitated. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Conspiracy theory believers who think there stupid ideas are real are complete and total retreads. I mean for all intensive purposes they sound completely rediculous. I love hearing about how Truman let the Japs bomb Pearl Harbor because he wanted WWII to involve the U.S. or the idea that the FBI shot Kennedy from the chase car or that Reagan wasn't really shot. All that tells me when I hear you tell me theory's like this is that your some nut job who probably might possibly be wearing a tinfoil hat as he hides in his prepped bunker waiting for Obama to show up in a black helicopter and take his skss that he hurried in cosmolone filled packing tubes vertically so they don't show up as well on metal detectors. I'm not usually one to judge, but you know who else had a bunch of crazy ideas that led to him losing his mind in a bunker at the end. That's right Hitler. Conspiracy theory folks are like Hitler.
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