Yup... the Federalization of all police that Obummer spoke of in his first term.

Indeed.
"Hey Joe, hand me that past DQd file"

congratulations, sir.  that is a good long haul there.  

now you have more time for more important things, like RF.

Dangerous is one thing........the chance of being persecuted for a justified instance of defending yourself is another.

I was never that hypocritical.  (20 when I started.)

That's kind of the point of the article.

Our "Minimum Manning" numbers were quite "flexible".

Yup.  Back in the '90s our pay and general situation was so bad that A and B candidates just weren't applying, and there nowhere near enough Cs either.  So the city council and mayor leaned on civil service and got them to accept Ds and Fs.  That didn't work out well.  Though the follow up notion to aggressively recruit out of state and lie through their teeth about the starting pay got some decent folks on board.

That's nothing new in NYC. It was like that over 30 years ago, just ask Stephen Sullivan.

What's considered "good pay"? I know cops and firefighters can make over 100k there, easy.

I don't get the people that sign up for it in the South. They pay shit for public service.

My bad.

I meant MAXIMUM age.

But thanks for the responses.

Wait a minute?!?!?!?! Did your and my Command Staff go to the same class?

 

We resorted to hiring past DQs. One I worked was DQd on the psych screen. Hard to believe he had a ridiculous amount of substantiated complaints against him within a few years of being hired.

Because $11 an hour with medical beats $7 an hour at Taco Hell.

 

Mine must have taught it.

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Here?  Not sure, but we hired a 57 year old retired* NYPD officer.

*I'm not positive that he was retired rather than some sort of resigned ahead of the axe.  I say this because about a year after he got off FTO we got a call of a drunk white guy in boxers and tennis shoes chasing a hooker down St. Claude Ave. with a knife, screaming he was gonna have anal sex with her (he did not phrase it quite so politely.)
Yeah, sure enough, it was O'Rourke.  I don't remember how much time he got, but he wasn't off probation yet, so at least there was no hold up in canning him most Ricky-Tick.

Talk about a glutton for punishment.

A girl I know has a bachelors degree (and considerable student debt) and right now she has part time jobs working as a library shelfer and delivering pizzas.



 

Big city cops catch a lot of flak. There are a lot more libturds in those big cities too.   Not so much small towns or villages.  I noticed that the cops here in Southern CO are much nicer yet they still do their jobs.  If you want to become a police officer/deputy sheriff, don't overlook smaller communities.  You still have the issues (like everyone knows you or where you live), but the animosity isn't intense like it is in the big cities.  

Stay within the Constitution and good luck to all who serve as PoPos and deputies.

16 years in LE and 31K/year.

 
18 months in IT and I go from 33K to 41K.

Missed out on a 3% raise due to my promotion date.

 

I know some smaller communities that are dumps and some that are great. It all depends what you want out of your career. I also know some larger communities that are very nice and quite places to work for.

Yeah, Antoinette Frank was a psych DQ, but appealed and threatened to sue claiming race and sex discrimination, so she got hired.

Two years later she and her drug dealer boyfriend strolled into a Vietnamese restaurant, murdered her partner who was working an off duty detail there along with two kids of the owners, aged 17 and 21, then grabbed the night's take and fled the scene, then grabbed a patrol car from the 7th and returned to the scene to finish off the rest of the family who had been hiding in the cooler.  Fortunately, she failed to note one of the kids hiding under a cabinet, who ran crying from the scene to a nearby house, where on duty police were called, so her plan for more murders was foiled.

After her arrest, a search of the house she lived in with her father revealed no trace of her dad as such, but did turn up a long buried skeleton under the house that was forensically consistent with her father's features.  No positive ID of the remains was ever made, but since it seemed that no one had seen her dad in years, and he ain't turned up since, it's a pretty safe bet who the bones belonged to.

Oh yeah, her main motivation for the robbery and murders?  She thought her partner was working too many hours at that restaurant gig, thereby cheating her out of hours there.

She's on death row, but that's been dragging on for 20 years now.  (The jury deliberated for a record of just 22 minutes, by the way.)

Must be the FBI  guy chief and his New Yawk wife

 
 

Fuck

 

I started last year at $11.74. After paying into everything it came to less than $10/hr.

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Guys do it in their fifties sometimes.

We have guys start in their early to mid 40s......

That's my age and I feel my body is wearing out as well as my enthusiasm.

You ain't seen shit yet. Unless you have some kind of sweet union contract, benefits have been steadily reducing for over a decade.
With the climbing cost of health care I am sure they will continue to do so.
This translates into more expenses paid by the employee which effectively lowers the take home pay.

nys corrections, if youre willing to work in some of our fine institutions the pay isnt bad after 3 years and there is boku ot to be had. nevertheless we get people walked out every year for corruption and worse.not all of them are newjacks either. 25 year retirement and almost all who dont live way up north and west are leaving this state for the south where the pension goes a lot further. in the end thats my plan too but i got some time to go before i can run.

You mean with no prior LEO experience?

I recently read some bad press about older guys buying their way into reserve officer. Something about being able to carry on airplanes and such.

I KNOW that 45 is the cutoff for any kind of federal/ .mil jobs.

I don't want to thread hijack though. I'll research it.

Thanks.

You can't automatically carry on a plane just because you're a cop.

Yeah, the old black lady shot with a 12 ga, he walked

I seem to recall 37 is now the cutoff age to enter Federal LEO work.

We make decent money here just outside SF, if you're willing to commute from the sticks (median home price is around a million where I actually work).

Back in 2010 or so they gutted our pensions for the new guys to some 401k kinda deal. I wouldn't do the job if I had to work as long as they'll have to (I'm grandfathered into the old system)

We're still getting decent applicants

That's bullshit. The only people in the >mil who are on welfare on the morons who get shiny rims for the car they can't afford at the rent to own place. The military pays quite well, especially when you figure in medical benefits and free housing, even for a Private. If they choose to waste their fucking money it's their own god damn fault.

< --------------just retired after 20 years Enlisted in two different branches.

He never should have even been charged.

Some of us make career choices based on things other than how much money we will make. It is not a poor decision, it's a calling ot a sense of duty and service to your community. I would think you would understand that.

Now, I can see your point if somebody goes around bitching about what they get paid, then yeah, maybe you should choose a different career. But to say that everybody in PD/FD/EMS made a poor choice is pretty fucking insulting.

I would not argue this point, sir.

It was a hit piece in my state of MI. I bet I read it here. Someone got dead. A reserve officer was involved.

Without Military Service....

 

It's like I am always saying this black v white cop or any race cop thing has been going on for 50 years in NYC

I was referring to the non PD/FD/EMS people with degrees he was talking about.

This I might argue. When I looked into it....there was at least one agency with a 45 cutoff.

Coast guard, FBI maybe.

ETA: I really wasn't intending hijack

How many officers this year have gone to jail for exactly what you talk about?

This guy obviously doesn't get it.

First of all, you allude to the fact that a college degree actually means something. Yet you also point out that people with college degrees work in fast food and retail.
Secondly, you assume that people who work in public service are idiots and should be paid accordingly.
In some cases you are right, but only because low wages attract undesirable people. If someone is intelligent, carries himself with pride and dignity, and acts professionally; the odds are they arn't going to take a job at near minimum wage.  

I chime into these threads as a former public employee who wasn't a cop but I do understand some of the issues involved.

As has been mentioned numerous times, if you want intelligent, dedicated, professionals, you need to pay them accordingly. If you pay someone McDonalds wages, you are going to get employees who should be working at McDonalds. I was a firefighter and thankfully I worked for a department that paid very well. As a result, we had a majority of people who had college degrees. Way back when I got hired (I am now retired) over half our academy had college degrees. The guy who sat beside me in the academy quit his job as a mechanical engineer to be a firefighter. We had another guy in my academy who had a degree in marine biology just as two examples. At the station I retired from, we had six guys. Three had college degrees, one had a masters. There were probably a couple dozen guys that had post graduate degrees on the department; most of them working in regular suppression positions; because that is what they wanted to do. Not because they couldn't do better but they were making enough to live a decent life style and still were doing what they enjoyed doing as a profession. Hell, I out ranked the guy at my station with the masters degree. He has never even taken a promotional test: he doesn't want to.

They took this job because it paid well: they didn't do it strictly for the money, they wanted to do this to begin with and were able to do it because it paid well.

Whether we are talking about cops, firefighters, or EMS; do you really want some moron in command of life or death situations ?  Making poorly thought out decisions ?  Exposing the tax payer to lawsuits ? Causing unnessessary suffering and property loss ? So that forums like this can spend all day bashing them ? You reap what you sow.

Where I work now as a medic, the pay is shit. The benefits are shit. And, I hate to say this, but the people I work with wouldn't even get a glance where I retired from. I am sure that most of them are on food stamps and all that. Bad credit. Illegitimate kids. Driving hooptie cars.............................. So why do I do it ? Because a couple grand a month is a nice kicker to my pension

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I remember when that happened.

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