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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:10:53 AM EDT
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I had a pot dealer who lost his geo to the drug task force, have not seen it rolling around with dare stickers Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pot needles, Pot needles everywhere. It'd be fuel efficient. 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:11:50 AM EDT
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Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? Does the government? BOOM |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:12:35 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:13:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is the cops utilize Civil Forfeiture BEFORE anyone is convicted.... and good luck getting it back if you're cleared. I stand by: FUCK CIVIL FORFEITURE Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? I stand by: FUCK CIVIL FORFEITURE ^^^WRONG^^^ Not trying to change your mind but I deal with Civil Forfeiture every day. Matter of fact I drive a seized and forfeited vehicle now. The laws and liability placed on Police when seizing property are very strict and can really get you and your department in a sling if not adhered to. Are there some crooked cops and maybe department? Sure. But any Department worth a damn knows not to mess with the forfeiture until it is adjudicated and released. And if it is to be returned, it is very simple...just sign for it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:13:28 AM EDT
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If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? Arrested? No Convicted first? Yes |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:14:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, or waste of tax dollars. Either way, not a fan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD This, or waste of tax dollars. Either way, not a fan. So taking a car from a drug dealer and having to pay maybe a few hundred in legal hours costs more than buying a 40K crown vic or a 50K Tahoe. Your math sucks |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:14:45 AM EDT
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No, but the cops shouldn't keep it either. It should be sold and the money spent on something to benefit the community. Not a show piece for some D-bag chief when he get coffee. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? No, but the cops shouldn't keep it either. It should be sold and the money spent on something to benefit the community. Not a show piece for some D-bag chief when he get coffee. Seized items can not be sold to put money in the general fund, if sold, the money has to be used by the pd for unbudgeted items. I hope they can seize every item any drug user/dealer has. F... them! |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:16:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If cops confiscate money because it has slight traces of drug residue (like most money does) is that also right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? If cops confiscate money because it has slight traces of drug residue (like most money does) is that also right? Id like to know a case where this happened |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:17:05 AM EDT
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Courtesy of Edwin Meese
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:20:19 AM EDT
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Texas?
Waco Biker gang asset? Unless the officer is specially and specifically trained to race corvettes (Maybe a former CanAm or SCCA driver?) the police have no business chasing people around in a 600hp vehicle. I don't want to read about how officer friendly died wrapping himself around a light pole at 187 mph or how Sally Soccer mom was killed by a negligent high speed chase. I'm also curious about how much it cost the taxpayers to retrofit a CORVETTE to police car standards and knowing a little something about how expensive it is to maintain a high performance vehicle.....who does the maintenance on this cause this ain't your daddy's crown vic? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:23:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMeh. You should see the police cars I've seen in the ME. Here though, after homie has had his car seized through due process, they should sell it to fund general city/county revenues. I'd rather have a few bucks knocked off my taxes than a shiney toy for cops to blast around in. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:24:25 AM EDT
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Texas? Waco Biker gang asset? Doubtful. Waco is several hours from here... And do biker gangs drive corvettes? 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:24:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a pot dealer who lost his geo to the drug task force, have not seen it rolling around with dare stickers Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pot needles, Pot needles everywhere. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:27:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas? Waco Biker gang asset? Unless the officer is specially and specifically trained to race corvettes (Maybe a former CanAm or SCCA driver?) the police have no business chasing people around in a 600hp vehicle. I don't want to read about how officer friendly died wrapping himself around a light pole at 187 mph or how Sally Soccer mom was killed by a negligent high speed chase. I'm also curious about how much it cost the taxpayers to retrofit a CORVETTE to police car standards and knowing a little something about how expensive it is to maintain a high performance vehicle.....who does the maintenance on this cause this ain't your daddy's crown vic? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:29:33 AM EDT
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If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? 1) Convict the owner of the property of felonies involving crime for profit. 2) Prove that the item was obtained by the profit from the crime. Do these two things and you can have it. And then you can sell it, not tool around town in it like some sanctimonious moron who does not understand the difference between government grandstanding and gangster exhibitionism. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:30:08 AM EDT
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As long as the guy was convicted and it was a forfeit - I'm OK with it.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:31:09 AM EDT
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Well, the guy who drove it here just left... Wasn't here for a school DARE thing or anything... Drove in, made a racket, stayed around the car for a few minutes while people gawked. Went inside. Came out after a few minutes. Made a racket while leaving. I failed to notice if he had coffee while exiting, but it had to be either that or using the shitter. Young officer too, not a big wig. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? No, but the cops shouldn't keep it either. It should be sold and the money spent on something to benefit the community. Not a show piece for some D-bag chief when he get coffee. It shouldn't be a show car for a douche bag chief, and their shouldn't be a whole fleet of them, but as use as a DARE car it maybe worth it. Well, the guy who drove it here just left... Wasn't here for a school DARE thing or anything... Drove in, made a racket, stayed around the car for a few minutes while people gawked. Went inside. Came out after a few minutes. Made a racket while leaving. I failed to notice if he had coffee while exiting, but it had to be either that or using the shitter. Young officer too, not a big wig. Young detective maybe, That might be a chief one day? 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:32:48 AM EDT
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I'm also curious about how much it cost the taxpayers to retrofit a CORVETTE to police car standards.... 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:34:22 AM EDT
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Those fugly taillights
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:34:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^^^WRONG^^^ Not trying to change your mind but I deal with Civil Forfeiture every day. Matter of fact I drive a seized and forfeited vehicle now. The laws and liability placed on Police when seizing property are very strict and can really get you and your department in a sling if not adhered to. Are there some crooked cops and maybe department? Sure. But any Department worth a damn knows not to mess with the forfeiture until it is adjudicated and released. And if it is to be returned, it is very simple...just sign for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? I stand by: FUCK CIVIL FORFEITURE ^^^WRONG^^^ Not trying to change your mind but I deal with Civil Forfeiture every day. Matter of fact I drive a seized and forfeited vehicle now. The laws and liability placed on Police when seizing property are very strict and can really get you and your department in a sling if not adhered to. Are there some crooked cops and maybe department? Sure. But any Department worth a damn knows not to mess with the forfeiture until it is adjudicated and released. And if it is to be returned, it is very simple...just sign for it. Oh yeah, just come in and "Sign for it"... No, it had those blown engine seals, ruined transmission, and undercarriage rust when we took it from you... |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:39:06 AM EDT
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Texas? Waco Biker gang asset? Unless the officer is specially and specifically trained to race corvettes (Maybe a former CanAm or SCCA driver?) the police have no business chasing people around in a 600hp vehicle. I don't want to read about how officer friendly died wrapping himself around a light pole at 187 mph or how Sally Soccer mom was killed by a negligent high speed chase. I'm also curious about how much it cost the taxpayers to retrofit a CORVETTE to police car standards and knowing a little something about how expensive it is to maintain a high performance vehicle.....who does the maintenance on this cause this ain't your daddy's crown vic? Well the first part of your post is a bunch of made up shit you assume. I won't be addressing your nonsense. As for the 2nd part, how much does it costs to procure a police package vehicle and outfit it? Assuming you start with a free car and have to add lights, sirens, paint, and decals I bet it would be less money. Fuck the drug dealers and the drug users. Just another drain on society and we're better off without them. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:40:59 AM EDT
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It is probably a decent deterrent. Lets everyone know, get caught doing the crime - you loose your shit. The fun ones are when the hunter/fisherman looses his truck (and boat) for breaking game laws. I wouldn't use the word "fun", when describing stealing a $40,000 truck over an infraction that carries a $500 max fine. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:44:54 AM EDT
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I wouldn't use the word "fun", when describing stealing a $40,000 truck over an infraction that carries a $500 max fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is probably a decent deterrent. Lets everyone know, get caught doing the crime - you loose your shit. The fun ones are when the hunter/fisherman looses his truck (and boat) for breaking game laws. I wouldn't use the word "fun", when describing stealing a $40,000 truck over an infraction that carries a $500 max fine. Yeah, those ones piss me off. I'm against forfeiture because of the huge potential for abuse. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:45:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, but the cops shouldn't keep it either. It should be sold and the money spent on something to benefit the community. Not a show piece for some D-bag chief when he get coffee. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? No, but the cops shouldn't keep it either. It should be sold and the money spent on something to benefit the community. Not a show piece for some D-bag chief when he get coffee. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:48:07 AM EDT
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I wouldn't use the word "fun", when describing stealing a $40,000 truck over an infraction that carries a $500 max fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is probably a decent deterrent. Lets everyone know, get caught doing the crime - you loose your shit. The fun ones are when the hunter/fisherman looses his truck (and boat) for breaking game laws. I wouldn't use the word "fun", when describing stealing a $40,000 truck over an infraction that carries a $500 max fine. 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:54:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This parking lot is not rich and vibrant. But yes, I was keeping an eye on more than just him.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, the guy who drove it here just left... Wasn't here for a school DARE thing or anything... Drove in, made a racket, stayed around the car for a few minutes while people gawked. Went inside. Came out after a few minutes. Made a racket while leaving. I failed to notice if he had coffee while exiting, but it had to be either that or using the shitter. Young officer too, not a big wig. Did you take a second to scan the area for potential trouble for him? This parking lot is not rich and vibrant. But yes, I was keeping an eye on more than just him.I am glad you were backing him up. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:57:36 AM EDT
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If cops have it, so should civilians.
So I'm ok with this...... .......but Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD Yeah Fuck that thieving tendency that isn't frowned upon by some Leo. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:57:43 AM EDT
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I hope this was seized after a conviction in a court. Not just because it was found during a raid. Don't give up your day job. The principal fault of asset seizure is that it's immoral, unethical, anti Liberty, and unconstitutional on the Federal level and most if not all of the states under the principles of the security of property. The statists will argue whether seizure is "reasonable". |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:01:50 AM EDT
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I am outraged! OUTRAGED I tell you!!! |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:08:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is the cops utilize Civil Forfeiture BEFORE anyone is convicted.... and good luck getting it back if you're cleared. I stand by: FUCK CIVIL FORFEITURE Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? I stand by: FUCK CIVIL FORFEITURE |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:09:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if they drive it like they stole it? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:11:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm also curious about how much it cost the taxpayers to retrofit a CORVETTE to police car standards.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Extorris/Gifs/nicolas-cage-laughing_zps1677d881.gif |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:12:36 AM EDT
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Oh the feelz in this thread...
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:16:34 AM EDT
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They should know better that about putting the front license plate on the dash since TX courts have ruled on this issue.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:16:43 AM EDT
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Fuck civil forfeiture. The drug dealer they took that car from is a successful business leader and job creator who gives people what they want at a price they will pay. We need to reward guys like that, not take their shit.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:16:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's liberal Leon Lott, Sheriff of Richland County for you. That vehicle was probably not seized. Either way it was done with tax payer money. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:18:04 AM EDT
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Seized items need to be destroyed.
Cars crushed, cash burnt and property razed and made into a park. Asset forfeiture should be an expense. Not a revenue maker. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:18:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rear tires are all wrong. That ZO6 had wider rear shoes from the factory. Those aren't even Z06 rims. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:19:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much could it cost to disconnect the AC and break the front seat? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm also curious about how much it cost the taxpayers to retrofit a CORVETTE to police car standards.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Extorris/Gifs/nicolas-cage-laughing_zps1677d881.gif |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:21:09 AM EDT
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Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? He can forfeit it after a trial. Seizure without a trial is police state bullshit. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:23:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much could it cost to disconnect the AC and break the front seat? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm also curious about how much it cost the taxpayers to retrofit a CORVETTE to police car standards.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Extorris/Gifs/nicolas-cage-laughing_zps1677d881.gif  |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:29:30 AM EDT
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I am glad you were backing him up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, the guy who drove it here just left... Wasn't here for a school DARE thing or anything... Drove in, made a racket, stayed around the car for a few minutes while people gawked. Went inside. Came out after a few minutes. Made a racket while leaving. I failed to notice if he had coffee while exiting, but it had to be either that or using the shitter. Young officer too, not a big wig. Did you take a second to scan the area for potential trouble for him? This parking lot is not rich and vibrant. But yes, I was keeping an eye on more than just him.I am glad you were backing him up. Meh. Not doing that either. Just taking note of something ARFCom would love, and staying aware of those around me. It's a nice area... The BLM crowd doesn't usually make it 40 miles from a big city. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:30:25 AM EDT
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The rear tires are all wrong. That ZO6 had wider rear shoes from the factory. Those aren't even Z06 rims. Not sure what the deal is with that... |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:30:43 AM EDT
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It was stolen
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:31:43 AM EDT
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Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? Yes. After conviction, then no. One of the basic things about our justice system is a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The forfeiture of assets before being found guilty of a crime, and a link showing that the assets are a direct result of the criminal activity, or part of the crime is criminal in my opinion of the state. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:37:22 AM EDT
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If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Civil Forfeiture Fuck TWoD If someone is engaged in an illegal activity, and buys something with the money he made illegally, does he deserve to keep it when he is arrested? Nope, nor is it ok for the police to gain money or material goods from arrests and convictions. It incentivizes them to make arrests resulting in forfeitures. Notice I said it incentivizes arrests leading to forfeitures, not arrests of guilty people. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:38:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seized items need to be destroyed. Cars crushed, cash burnt and property razed and made into a park. Asset forfeiture should be an expense. Not a revenue maker. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:39:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistorySeized for DARE, the shittiest of drug prevention programs. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:40:05 AM EDT
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It's for show. They can't hold up as pursuit vehicles. Are you serious? 650HP/650Ft-Lbs torque, 0-60 in less than 3 seconds, 200+ MPH, 6 puck Brembos, 60-0 in less than 100', 1.2Gs on the skid track. Nothing short of a Ferrari, Lambo or Bugatti can touch it on the highway. City streets are another matter. And it will last forever if you change the oil. My 2001 has 153K on it, and I do "Drive it Like I Stole It" (I didn't). |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:40:32 AM EDT
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The modern day equivalent of letters of marque.
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