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Posted: 9/1/2015 7:34:39 PM EDT
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Who cares? What was he doing that caused the cops to be there in the first place? Something illegal, I'm sure. Break the law, you put your life in the hands of the guy with the badge and gun. I don't much care what happens to you after that. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 7:40:32 PM EDT
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Yea, fuck the Constitution and that due process bull shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have no idea what the answer is vis-a-vis good or bad shoot. All I know is that if this fucker hurt a baby with a knife then he deserves to be drawn and quartered. Yea, fuck the Constitution and that due process bull shit. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 7:44:52 PM EDT
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Almost looks like his hands are coming down before getting shot but it's hard to tell. Crappy video really.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 7:53:34 PM EDT
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The EMT's lack of patient concern makes me shake my head in shame. No urgency, no ABC, one of starts talking to the Deputies. Their only duty is to the patient, not to gossip with the Deputies.
That was an execution, no doubt about it. Nobody can defend those Deputies action, murderers! |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 7:58:03 PM EDT
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The EMT's lack of patient concern makes me shake my head in shame. No urgency, no ABC, one of starts talking to the Deputies. Their only duty is to the patient, not to gossip with the Deputies. That was an execution, no doubt about it. Nobody can defend those Deputies action, murderers! 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:08:15 PM EDT
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Well..I bet he won't do that again. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:15:02 PM EDT
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Well..I bet he won't do that again. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:22:24 PM EDT
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Almost looks like his hands are coming down before getting shot but it's hard to tell. Crappy video really. Yeah, I have to agree. I was watching it at half speed to see where his left hand is. Looks like his hands drop or start moving to his waist/stomach before the shots. Also agree on the crappy video part. Hopefully there is better video being reviewed. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:24:31 PM EDT
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Did the Cop make it home safe?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:25:32 PM EDT
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Did the Cop make it home safe? Not before the media gave their full names. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:32:06 PM EDT
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This thread perfectly illustrates how dozens of people can watch the same video and draw drastically different conclusions. I'm going to save it for future GD discussions.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:32:38 PM EDT
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Yeah, I have to agree. I was watching it at half speed to see where his left hand is. Looks like his hands drop or start moving to his waist/stomach before the shots. Also agree on the crappy video part. Hopefully there is better video being reviewed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Almost looks like his hands are coming down before getting shot but it's hard to tell. Crappy video really. Yeah, I have to agree. I was watching it at half speed to see where his left hand is. Looks like his hands drop or start moving to his waist/stomach before the shots. Also agree on the crappy video part. Hopefully there is better video being reviewed. At a distance the gunshot report will lag behind the camera video. At 100 yards it would take about 1/3 sec. Or so. The guy looked pretty irate and seemed to be acting eratic. But I would argue that he hands were up and the dropping of the hands was a reaction to being hit with a bullet and the distance between the police and the cameraman is responsible for what seemed to him moving before the shots are fired. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:33:29 PM EDT
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I don't remember that. Link? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cameras dont get everything, remember the shooting in NY of the guy with the ak he looked like he was surrendering but was reaching for a hg when the detective shot him in the back. This shot could go either way. I don't remember that. Link? This may have already been posted but ABC Nightly news says there is a second video in the hands of the police but they aren't releasing it currently to the public. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:34:03 PM EDT
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How bout an all black jury?
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This thread perfectly illustrates how dozens of people can watch the same video and draw drastically different conclusions. I'm going to save it for future GD discussions.
I typed out three responses, and all of them were COC. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:36:50 PM EDT
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Who cares? What was he doing that caused the cops to be there in the first place? Something illegal, I'm sure. Break the law, you put your life in the hands of the guy with the badge and gun. I don't much care what happens to you after that. I guess I know who will be the escort to the "showers". Seriously, wtf? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:37:02 PM EDT
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This may have already been posted but ABC Nightly news says there is a second video in the hands of the police but they aren't releasing it currently to the public. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cameras dont get everything, remember the shooting in NY of the guy with the ak he looked like he was surrendering but was reaching for a hg when the detective shot him in the back. This shot could go either way. I don't remember that. Link? This may have already been posted but ABC Nightly news says there is a second video in the hands of the police but they aren't releasing it currently to the public. I would imagine they will be forced by public opinion to release it eventually regardless of what it shows. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:37:26 PM EDT
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Only the people they're not aiming at. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really, so you're fine with cops shooting someone every time they go on a call? That would have been sweet. Jesus. How many innocent bystanders would NYPD kill with that policy? Only the people they're not aiming at. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:37:44 PM EDT
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Almost looks like his hands are coming down before getting shot but it's hard to tell. Crappy video really. Kind of what I thought, but sound lag is common in video. It's really impossible to tell from that vid. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:40:38 PM EDT
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That's not going to do anything to help this small outbreak of cop shootings.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:41:44 PM EDT
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I know...am I the last person that trims hedges the correct way? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That doesn't look good. I know...am I the last person that trims hedges the correct way? Maybe. I don't trim mine at all though. Provides more cover.. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:41:53 PM EDT
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That's not going to do anything to help this small outbreak of cop shootings. The shootee was white. #whatdifferencedoesitmake |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:46:25 PM EDT
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Vid I saw does not show what the guy was doing with his left hand so who knows what really happened.
So they did not render aid, most cops are no EMT's. PS no media outrage yet, wrong color perp. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:49:25 PM EDT
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It looks like the guy that got shot was quickly reaching down to his waist band a few milliseconds before the first shot. Of course due to the distance of the camera from the scene, not sure how much sound delay there was, so it could just be the guy getting shot reacting to getting shot. Hard to tell. Hopefully there's more video from a better/closer prospective.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:50:15 PM EDT
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The shootee was white. #whatdifferencedoesitmake Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not going to do anything to help this small outbreak of cop shootings. The shootee was white. #whatdifferencedoesitmake You don't think this will be used to justify the shooting of cops by the people who are instigating a shooting war with law enforcement? You don't think they will use this to recruit white sympathizers? Your ass, not mine. But in my opinion these incidents do no good for law enforcement. It is anti law enforcement propaganda that writes its self. I hope it was a clean shoot and I hope the perp was armed. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:54:20 PM EDT
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If Google Earth's ruler tool is accurate, then the video was taken at a distance of approximately 420 ft. Speed of sound on a 90 degree Texas day would be approximately 1150 ft/s. So there would be a delay of 0.37 seconds between the actual gunshot and the audio picked up by the recording. I would say the right arm dropping was in reaction to being shot. Of course, I have no idea what his left arm was doing or if he had anything in his hands.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:55:05 PM EDT
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You don't think this will be used to justify the shooting of cops by the people who are instigating a shooting war with law enforcement? You don't think they will use this to recruit white sympathizers? Your ass, not mine. But in my opinion these incidents do no good for law enforcement. It is anti law enforcement propaganda that writes its self. I hope it was a clean shoot and I hope the perp was armed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not going to do anything to help this small outbreak of cop shootings. The shootee was white. #whatdifferencedoesitmake You don't think this will be used to justify the shooting of cops by the people who are instigating a shooting war with law enforcement? You don't think they will use this to recruit white sympathizers? Your ass, not mine. But in my opinion these incidents do no good for law enforcement. It is anti law enforcement propaganda that writes its self. I hope it was a clean shoot and I hope the perp was armed. Just kidding around. Retards will spin anything. Just look at the last few cases where cops shot blacks. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:58:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2015 10:07:37 PM EDT
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I believe that https://goo.gl/maps/0VYHw is the camera's initial location and https://goo.gl/maps/CLfjF is the shooting location for a distance near 450 feet per Google Maps.
The suspect appears to me to reach for his pocket or waistband just before raising his right hand. I count about a second between the arm lifting and the sound of the first shot. I do not know how well the audio and video are synced. Sound will travel 450 feet in approximately 0.4 seconds. Reaction time to real world input (not a timer beep) can be surprisingly slow. We do not know whether the suspect temporarily raised his hands previously during the arrest attempt. It is plausible that the suspect was shot for reaching, but due to reaction times and distance to the camera it looks bad. Or the officers fired due to actions that were visible or audible to them, but not the camera. Either way, the suspect could have easily avoided being shot had he chosen to do so. Quoted:
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Posted: 9/1/2015 10:32:42 PM EDT
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LE were responding to a domestic violence where the perp already stabbed two people. Video is inconclusive. More info needed before y'all start cop lynching.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 10:51:10 PM EDT
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I saw right hand down then the shots fire
Really close but if he had a weapon or appeared to be going for one .... I had to watch it 4-5 times to be sure As the old saying just leave your hands up and this shit ends |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 10:54:44 PM EDT
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Not before the media gave their full names.
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Did the Cop make it home safe? Not before the media gave their full names.
They should be proud of their actions that day. Give them Medals of Valor. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 11:13:36 PM EDT
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I can't see anything on the video. If the 'victim' used a knife on a woman and a kid I am unable to mourn his loss.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 11:16:26 PM EDT
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Latest news report says the second video is much clearer and shows what happened. They just won't show us at this point.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 11:26:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Latest news report says the second video is much clearer and shows what happened. They just won't show us at this point. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 5:45:42 AM EDT
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Looked like suicide by cop to me.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:11:58 AM EDT
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Pretty sure EMS was having to wait to give aid to the 2 month old and his mother because this asshole was outside with a knife. But let's second guess because we see video from hundreds of feet away.......
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:00:43 AM EDT
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Guys, quick note:
Audio and video are rarely well synced without professional editing, especially in cell phone videos. There is no way you can tell the time difference between the report of the gunshot (audio) and the movement of the guy (video) to any degree of accuracy. The only way is if you can see the flash (or puff) of the gun. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:06:57 AM EDT
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I saw one arm up when they shot him. Was he reaching for something with the other or did they smoke a man surrendering? If so, that's pretty fucked up. Me too. I only saw one arm up. You can't see what he was doing with the other. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:11:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Google Earth's ruler tool is accurate, then the video was taken at a distance of approximately 420 ft. Speed of sound on a 90 degree Texas day would be approximately 1150 ft/s. So there would be a delay of 0.37 seconds between the actual gunshot and the audio picked up by the recording. I would say the right arm dropping was in reaction to being shot. Of course, I have no idea what his left arm was doing or if he had anything in his hands.  |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 12:19:31 PM EDT
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If Google Earth's ruler tool is accurate, then the video was taken at a distance of approximately 420 ft. Speed of sound on a 90 degree Texas day would be approximately 1150 ft/s. So there would be a delay of 0.37 seconds between the actual gunshot and the audio picked up by the recording. I would say the right arm dropping was in reaction to being shot. Of course, I have no idea what his left arm was doing or if he had anything in his hands. And that's assuming that the audio track is perfectly synced to the video. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 12:32:22 PM EDT
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LE were responding to a domestic violence where the perp already stabbed two people. Video is inconclusive. More info needed before y'all start cop lynching. Experts galore up in here. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 12:42:39 PM EDT
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EXACTLY. the dead guy had a knife, he had injured two in the house and he did not comply. The LEOs had been called to the scene on a DV incident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Latest news report says the second video is much clearer and shows what happened. They just won't show us at this point. That and was his actions causing his wife and child not to get the care they needed due to his knife attack on them? They went through the force continuum it sounds like, deadly force might have been the only option left. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 12:53:59 PM EDT
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Video, taken that far away, at face value, don't look good for the cops.
Hoping the dashcam/bodycams have another take on the incident. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 1:51:03 PM EDT
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LE were responding to a domestic violence where the perp already stabbed two people. Video is inconclusive. More info needed before y'all start cop lynching. This.......I'll wait until I can see if suspect was "armed" or not with better video/testimony.......... |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 11:26:57 AM EDT
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Perhaps the widely seen video of two Texas cops shooting a domestic-violence suspect didn't tell the full story.
Another video, which Bexar County authorities are refusing to release, shows the suspect holding a knife in his left hand, local media said. The original video, which was published September 1 by broadcaster KSAT and went viral, showed 41-year-old Gilbert Flores being gunned down, but the view of his left arm was blocked by a utility pole. That video, recorded by a paint deliveryman in the area, appeared to show the San Antonio man with his hands raised. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/videoed-shooting-by-texas-cops-did-victim-have-a-knife-in-his-hand/ SAN ANTONIO (CN) - A second video shows a Texas man had a knife in one of his raised hands when sheriff's officers shot him to death two weeks ago, the Bexar County Sheriff's Office said.
Gilbert Flores, 41, died Aug. 28 after a standoff with deputies ended when Officers Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez fired two fatal shots at the shirtless, unarmed man. .... Bexar County Sheriff's spokesman James Keith said Tuesday that a second video shows Flores had a knife in his hand when he was shot. He said there are no plans to release the video to the public. An audio recording of sheriff's officers' response has been posted on YouTube. http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/09/10/texas-sheriff-says-dead-man-had-a-knife.htm |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 11:48:44 AM EDT
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Perhaps the widely seen video of two Texas cops shooting a domestic-violence suspect didn't tell the full story.
Another video, which Bexar County authorities are refusing to release, shows the suspect holding a knife in his left hand, local media said. The original video, which was published September 1 by broadcaster KSAT and went viral, showed 41-year-old Gilbert Flores being gunned down, but the view of his left arm was blocked by a utility pole. That video, recorded by a paint deliveryman in the area, appeared to show the San Antonio man with his hands raised. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/videoed-shooting-by-texas-cops-did-victim-have-a-knife-in-his-hand/ SAN ANTONIO (CN) - A second video shows a Texas man had a knife in one of his raised hands when sheriff's officers shot him to death two weeks ago, the Bexar County Sheriff's Office said.
Gilbert Flores, 41, died Aug. 28 after a standoff with deputies ended when Officers Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez fired two fatal shots at the shirtless, unarmed man. .... Bexar County Sheriff's spokesman James Keith said Tuesday that a second video shows Flores had a knife in his hand when he was shot. He said there are no plans to release the video to the public. An audio recording of sheriff's officers' response has been posted on YouTube. http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/09/10/texas-sheriff-says-dead-man-had-a-knife.htm So, basically, all the ARF experts are FOS? No, say it ain't so! |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 11:53:53 AM EDT
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So, basically, all the ARF experts are FOS? No, say it ain't so! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps the widely seen video of two Texas cops shooting a domestic-violence suspect didn't tell the full story.
Another video, which Bexar County authorities are refusing to release, shows the suspect holding a knife in his left hand, local media said. The original video, which was published September 1 by broadcaster KSAT and went viral, showed 41-year-old Gilbert Flores being gunned down, but the view of his left arm was blocked by a utility pole. That video, recorded by a paint deliveryman in the area, appeared to show the San Antonio man with his hands raised. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/videoed-shooting-by-texas-cops-did-victim-have-a-knife-in-his-hand/ SAN ANTONIO (CN) - A second video shows a Texas man had a knife in one of his raised hands when sheriff's officers shot him to death two weeks ago, the Bexar County Sheriff's Office said.
Gilbert Flores, 41, died Aug. 28 after a standoff with deputies ended when Officers Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez fired two fatal shots at the shirtless, unarmed man. .... Bexar County Sheriff's spokesman James Keith said Tuesday that a second video shows Flores had a knife in his hand when he was shot. He said there are no plans to release the video to the public. An audio recording of sheriff's officers' response has been posted on YouTube. http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/09/10/texas-sheriff-says-dead-man-had-a-knife.htm So, basically, all the ARF experts are FOS? No, say it ain't so! Who are you referring to? |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 12:04:42 PM EDT
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Perhaps the widely seen video of two Texas cops shooting a domestic-violence suspect didn't tell the full story.
Another video, which Bexar County authorities are refusing to release, shows the suspect holding a knife in his left hand, local media said. The original video, which was published September 1 by broadcaster KSAT and went viral, showed 41-year-old Gilbert Flores being gunned down, but the view of his left arm was blocked by a utility pole. That video, recorded by a paint deliveryman in the area, appeared to show the San Antonio man with his hands raised. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/videoed-shooting-by-texas-cops-did-victim-have-a-knife-in-his-hand/ SAN ANTONIO (CN) - A second video shows a Texas man had a knife in one of his raised hands when sheriff's officers shot him to death two weeks ago, the Bexar County Sheriff's Office said.
Gilbert Flores, 41, died Aug. 28 after a standoff with deputies ended when Officers Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez fired two fatal shots at the shirtless, unarmed man. .... Bexar County Sheriff's spokesman James Keith said Tuesday that a second video shows Flores had a knife in his hand when he was shot. He said there are no plans to release the video to the public. An audio recording of sheriff's officers' response has been posted on YouTube. http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/09/10/texas-sheriff-says-dead-man-had-a-knife.htm So, basically, all the ARF experts are FOS? No, say it ain't so! Who are you referring to? There are plenty here who posted the cops were wrong and bad shoot, including some LEOs on this site.......also their are some who posted with other jump to conclusion stupid comments, by many of the cop hate regulars..... The OPs video was difficult to know if he had a knife or not. Many here also reserved judgement until more facts or better video surfaced, including myself. It will be interesting to see the "other" footage. |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 1:47:46 PM EDT
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There are plenty here who posted the cops were wrong and bad shoot, including some LEOs on this site.......also their are some who posted with other jump to conclusion stupid comments, by many of the cop hate regulars..... The OPs video was difficult to know if he had a knife or not. Many here also reserved judgement until more facts or better video surfaced, including myself. It will be interesting to see the "other" footage. I'm not going through the whole thread again, but my memory is a lot of "oh that doesn't look good, tagged for better video". |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 1:52:08 PM EDT
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Perhaps the widely seen video of two Texas cops shooting a domestic-violence suspect didn't tell the full story.
Another video, which Bexar County authorities are refusing to release, shows the suspect holding a knife in his left hand, local media said. The original video, which was published September 1 by broadcaster KSAT and went viral, showed 41-year-old Gilbert Flores being gunned down, but the view of his left arm was blocked by a utility pole. That video, recorded by a paint deliveryman in the area, appeared to show the San Antonio man with his hands raised. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/videoed-shooting-by-texas-cops-did-victim-have-a-knife-in-his-hand/ SAN ANTONIO (CN) - A second video shows a Texas man had a knife in one of his raised hands when sheriff's officers shot him to death two weeks ago, the Bexar County Sheriff's Office said.
Gilbert Flores, 41, died Aug. 28 after a standoff with deputies ended when Officers Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez fired two fatal shots at the shirtless, unarmed man. .... Bexar County Sheriff's spokesman James Keith said Tuesday that a second video shows Flores had a knife in his hand when he was shot. He said there are no plans to release the video to the public. An audio recording of sheriff's officers' response has been posted on YouTube. http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/09/10/texas-sheriff-says-dead-man-had-a-knife.htm So, basically, all the ARF experts are FOS? No, say it ain't so! So the guy had a knife in his hand, that made it ok to shoot him for no other reason? |
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