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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:45:24 PM EDT
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Gorman was driving across the country with a motorhome to see his girlfriend, and a Nevada Highway Patrol trooper first stopped the man as he headed west on Interstate 80 for driving too slowly in the passing lane. According to court documents, Gorman didn’t consent to a search of his vehicle, but the trooper sent him on his way without issuing any citations.
Less than 50 minutes later, though, an officer with the Elko County Sheriff’s Office stopped Gorman again. On the second stop, the officer had a drug-sniffing dog with him, and law enforcement conducted a search of the motorhome, where he found $167,000 in cash stored throughout the vehicle. Fucking sheisty thieving fucks. They did this because the courts ruled they can't detain longer than is necessary to conduct the stop in order to get a dog on scene. So instead they let him go and had a guy with a dog pull him over again. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:46:07 PM EDT
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huh, that Gorman dude must have been on someones list.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:46:20 PM EDT
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I'm all in favor of asset forfeiture.
After it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it's presence is due to illegal activity, and not just that the presence itself is indicative of criminal activity. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:47:59 PM EDT
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Too much information missing in the article. I cannot say the situation is fucky absent that info.
What crime did the citizen commit? What was he charged with? What citations did he receive? Indictments? Convictions, as a result of this stop? Ok, on review, sounds fucky to me. He should be made whole from pensions of all parties trying to screw him over. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:48:06 PM EDT
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Asset forfieture is bullshit
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:48:43 PM EDT
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Good, I hope he gets his money back and his legal fees. There shouldn't`t be any qualified immunity in these cases for prosecutors or cops, and forfeiture shouldn`t occur until after a criminal conviction.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:49:07 PM EDT
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Too much information missing in the article. I cannot say the situation is fucky absent that info. What crime did the citizen commit? What was he charged with? What citations did he receive? Indictments? Convictions, as a result of this stop? Ok, on review, sounds fucky to me. He should be made whole from pensions of all parties trying to screw him over. No charges, no citations, just highway robbery, it's all in the article. They stole his RV, cell phone and laptop too. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:49:58 PM EDT
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Good, I hope he gets his money back and his legal fees. There shouldn't`t be any qualified immunity in these cases for prosecutors or cops, and forfeiture shouldn`t occur until after a criminal conviction. I agree, hope they get raped hard in court, even if vic is guilty of something. No conviction, no forefiture, |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:50:01 PM EDT
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Asset forfieture is bullshit This. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:52:42 PM EDT
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I'm confused, why is a fed prosecutor involved if the money and property was seized by a local deputy?
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:56:52 PM EDT
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Iwish judges would order that people's stuff must be returned "before end of business day" to thwart such shenanigans. By the time they challenge the ruling the guy and his property is long gone.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:57:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:02:40 PM EDT
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I'm confused, why is a fed prosecutor involved if the money and property was seized by a local deputy? Someone hasn't been paying attention. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:02:56 PM EDT
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huh, that Gorman dude must have been on someones list. IBTL. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:02:57 PM EDT
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huh, that Gorman dude must have been on someones list. Oh well....... |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:04:58 PM EDT
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IBTL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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huh, that Gorman dude must have been on someones list. IBTL. What's his screen name? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:07:14 PM EDT
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Someone hasn't been paying attention. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm confused, why is a fed prosecutor involved if the money and property was seized by a local deputy? Someone hasn't been paying attention. I guess not. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:07:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:16:58 PM EDT
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so what's the backstory on the $167,000? Lottery winnings, sale of a business, drug money?
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:18:07 PM EDT
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so what's the backstory on the $167,000? Lottery winnings, sale of a business, drug money? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:19:14 PM EDT
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so what's the backstory on the $167,000? Lottery winnings, sale of a business, drug money? Who cares? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:22:34 PM EDT
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We live in the biggest god damn banana republic the world has ever seen.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:22:59 PM EDT
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so what's the backstory on the $167,000? Lottery winnings, sale of a business, drug money? Does not matter, it is an inversion of all this country stood for if its citizens to have to prove they did not commit a crime. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:26:23 PM EDT
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huh, that Gorman dude must have been on someones list. I hate to break it to you, but we're ALL on the "list". Get stopped with a large amount of cash and see what happens. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:28:15 PM EDT
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Oh well....... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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huh, that Gorman dude must have been on someones list. Oh well....... 
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:30:57 PM EDT
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Does not matter, it is an inversion of all this country stood for if its citizens to have to prove they did not commit a crime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so what's the backstory on the $167,000? Lottery winnings, sale of a business, drug money? Does not matter, it is an inversion of all this country stood for if its citizens to have to prove they did not commit a crime. Pretty much, although it makes sense to have such a process and in rem proceedings as far as prize law is concerned. Domestically, though, it is a harmful thing to have in place. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:33:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No charges, no citations, just highway robbery, it's all in the article. They stole his RV, cell phone and laptop too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Too much information missing in the article. I cannot say the situation is fucky absent that info. What crime did the citizen commit? What was he charged with? What citations did he receive? Indictments? Convictions, as a result of this stop? Ok, on review, sounds fucky to me. He should be made whole from pensions of all parties trying to screw him over. No charges, no citations, just highway robbery, it's all in the article. They stole his RV, cell phone and laptop too. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:33:03 PM EDT
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Asset forfieture is bullshit Quote HistoryQuoted:
Asset forfieture is bullshit No it's not, its for personal enrichment. It helps pay salaries, for porn, football games, vacations, mistresses, drugs, apartments, parties, etc. DA’s Office in Georgia Used Asset Forfeiture Funds on Booze, Steak, Galas, and to see CeeLo Green The District Attorney’s Office for Fulton County, Ga. (which covers most of Atlanta) is embroiled in yet another forfeiture scandal. As the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported over the weekend, the office for Fulton County DA Paul Howard has spent thousands of dollars in federal forfeiture funds on all sorts of eyebrow-raising items.
Howard’s office has repeatedly spent thousands on soirées, including a holiday awards gala in 2010 where “guests dined on $3,200 worth of sirloin tip beef roast, roasted turkey breast and mini-crab cakes with champagne sauce.” Other lowlights include spending $250 on tickets to see NBA player Dwight Howard and rap artist CeeLo Green, $800 to pay off eviction fees, $1,100 on flowers, $5,600 on a Christmas party, and $1,000 on alcoholic drinks for another holiday party. Howard has also paid over $16,000 in state and federal forfeiture funds on security for his own home. http://ij.org/da-s-office-in-georgia-used-asset-forfeiture-funds-on-booze-steak-galas-and-to-see-ceelo-green |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:34:30 PM EDT
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I agree, hope they get raped hard in court, even if vic is guilty of something. No conviction, no forefiture, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good, I hope he gets his money back and his legal fees. There shouldn't`t be any qualified immunity in these cases for prosecutors or cops, and forfeiture shouldn`t occur until after a criminal conviction. I agree, hope they get raped hard in court, even if vic is guilty of something. No conviction, no forefiture, Doesn't the burdon of proof rest in the Officials lap to prove guilt? 
Until then looks like it's the Vic's cash. 
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:34:35 PM EDT
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Every person involved in seizing his property should have their houses and cars auctioned off and the money should be given to the victim.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:35:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm all in favor of asset forfeiture. After it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it's presence is due to illegal activity, and not just that the presence itself is indicative of criminal activity. Soooo... Person profiting from illegal activity bad, government profiting from illegal activity good. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:38:54 PM EDT
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so what's the backstory on the $167,000? Lottery winnings, sale of a business, drug money? Who cares? Because cash like that doesn't just appear out of thin air... |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so what's the backstory on the $167,000? Lottery winnings, sale of a business, drug money? Somebody needs to be sued and beat to death over this |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:40:20 PM EDT
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I agree, hope they get raped hard in court, even if vic is guilty of something. No conviction, no forefiture, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good, I hope he gets his money back and his legal fees. There shouldn't`t be any qualified immunity in these cases for prosecutors or cops, and forfeiture shouldn`t occur until after a criminal conviction. I agree, hope they get raped hard in court, even if vic is guilty of something. No conviction, no forefiture, Yep. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:41:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every person involved in seizing his property should have their houses and cars auctioned off and the money should be given to the victim. Not the best option I know |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:42:28 PM EDT
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We live in the biggest god damn banana republic the world has ever seen. Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:45:00 PM EDT
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Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We live in the biggest god damn banana republic the world has ever seen. Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. I wish those dinosaurs ate you. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:47:51 PM EDT
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Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We live in the biggest god damn banana republic the world has ever seen. Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. 
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:47:52 PM EDT
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Asset forfieture is bullshit This. The entire system is bullshit. It's the mob. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:50:33 PM EDT
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Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We live in the biggest god damn banana republic the world has ever seen. Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. Grown ups are talking, be quiet. Eta: fucking dinosaur guy? That figures. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:50:54 PM EDT
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Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We live in the biggest god damn banana republic the world has ever seen. Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. what was the probable cause? A dog alert? the same type of dogs that have been shown to give false alerts upon handlers command ? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:52:55 PM EDT
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Iwish judges would order that people's stuff must be returned "before end of business day" to thwart such shenanigans. By the time they challenge the ruling the guy and his property is long gone. Should be "Before the end of this business day, or you will be in jail by morning.". |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:53:06 PM EDT
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what was the probable cause? A dog alert? the same type of dogs that have been shown to give false alerts upon handlers command ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We live in the biggest god damn banana republic the world has ever seen. Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. what was the probable cause? A dog alert? the same type of dogs that have been shown to give false alerts upon handlers command ? The drug dogs alert, combined with an unexplained large sum of money being transported are probable cause for search and seizure. He is now working it out in the courts. How does this make our country a "banana republic"? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:53:17 PM EDT
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Who cares it's his money Somebody needs to be sued and beat to death over this Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so what's the backstory on the $167,000? Lottery winnings, sale of a business, drug money? Somebody needs to be sued and beat to death over this Agreed. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:54:49 PM EDT
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so what's the backstory on the $167,000? Lottery winnings, sale of a business, drug money? We found a statist. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:55:36 PM EDT
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“In particular, the government has a duty of candor and fair disclosure to the court,” he said. “The court expects and relies upon the United States attorney’s office to be candid and forthcoming with material information uniquely held only in possession of the government and clearly relevant to central issues before the court. That did not occur here.” The cops that didn't have this in a report should be in jail. The prosecutors, if they knew, should all be jail. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:58:17 PM EDT
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The drug dogs alert, combined with an unexplained large sum of money being transported are probable cause for search and seizure. He is now working it out in the courts. How does this make our country a "banana republic"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We live in the biggest god damn banana republic the world has ever seen. Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. what was the probable cause? A dog alert? the same type of dogs that have been shown to give false alerts upon handlers command ? The drug dogs alert, combined with an unexplained large sum of money being transported are probable cause for search and seizure. He is now working it out in the courts. How does this make our country a "banana republic"?  We are so fucked. 
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:58:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The drug dogs alert, combined with an unexplained large sum of money being transported are probable cause for search and seizure. He is now working it out in the courts. How does this make our country a "banana republic"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We live in the biggest god damn banana republic the world has ever seen. Are you really suggesting that the people who died fighting for our freedom were in vain, because someone got property seized with probable cause... Edgy. what was the probable cause? A dog alert? the same type of dogs that have been shown to give false alerts upon handlers command ? The drug dogs alert, combined with an unexplained large sum of money being transported are probable cause for search and seizure. He is now working it out in the courts. How does this make our country a "banana republic"? 1. Drug dogs are unreliable 2. Cash was ordered returned, but another .gov asshole is fighting that decision 3. Carrying cash should not be grounds for suspicion |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:59:04 PM EDT
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huh, that Gorman dude must have been on someones list. He always was an asshole. 
That being said, he should have his money until it has been proven it was from crime. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:59:17 PM EDT
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Asset forfieture is bullshit So criminals should be able to keep the proceeds from their criminal activity, even if sentenced to jail? Please tell me that you at least believe they should have to pay taxes on their illegal income? |
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